1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land A Cheeks. I'm out and I'm 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: sour and this is too broke Cheeks to show that 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: shares life less than tips to help make you rich 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: in life. Well, what a week? Every week like that 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: being like another one. Thank you for what we do. 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: It's what we do. How we record on a Friday, 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: so you is reflective on a Friday. It's been good. 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: It's a very rainy day in Sydney today. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: I'm excited for the weather to cool down. 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. When I asked Schmalexa, I say like 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: that because we always set off people's things. Yeah, true, 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: it's probably still going to do it. I was like, 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: what's the weather tomorrow? And she was like a hive 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: of seventeen and a level fifteen and I was like 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: that can't be. 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: I was like that just no way. And then as 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: a girl, I own and then we asked her three times. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: I was like, to clarify, you're saying seventeen. 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like, are you sure that's all right? 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 1: Are you sure? Because don't do you mean twenty seven? 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: No? 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: You didn't seventeen? And I was like, what a day 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: to be alive. And I was going to say, we 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: are recording in our newish studio, and this is the 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: first time that we've recorded while it's been raining, So. 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: We'll see if we pick up any of the bitter. 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Patter in the back there. Feel quite nice to the 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: rance future asm. But what's your obsession of the way. 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: I love that my obsession. Okay, my obsession is an obsession, 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: but I've also potentially done a best friend. 33 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: Blasph me, Oh what have you done? 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, my obsession of the week is that yesterday evening 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: I tripped fell and pressed play on the entire season 36 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: of Heartbreak. Hi, you watched the entire season? How many 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: episodes are there? Nine? How late did you go to bed? 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't talk about it. Was it good? It was 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: like another one? Thank you? Well, we did that the 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: last time I came out. We watched the entire thing 41 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: a show, and then I did the fucking thing when 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I finish it, and then I remember that's the final season, 43 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: and I go, you dumb? Is it sad? It? There 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: was a couple of times that I was like, oh, yeah, 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: but that's the I don't feel like they twisted the 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: knife as much as they could have, because, like I 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: think this show came out, I'm going to just punch 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: a number in the air and say six years ago. Yeah, 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: I think it was five. I've seen in a lot 50 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: of captions them being like it's been five years blah blah. 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: So that later that's when they started. 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Really, I don't know, they really could have leaned into 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: the like last episode and episode one flashback a bit more. 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: I love that show was same. I'll sucker for a montage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: give me a memory montage any day of the fucking week. 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Show me growth, even. 57 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: In a film, show me growth. 58 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like when ever there's like a season finale or 59 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: it's like the movie one versus Movie five, and like 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: you look at the difference and like the actors and 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: how they've grown up and stuff. Water works every time. Yeah. 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Fully it's ten out of ten. But I did love it. 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I think all the actors 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: on that show are incredible. Malachi is still fine as 65 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: ever as hell, and I'm like everyone is smile like that. 66 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: Everyone in the entire cast is like a ten out 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: of ten. Body. 68 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: I have multiple crushes Harper. 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, now, Dan like Amori everyone, I'm like, shut up, 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: you beautiful, you missed me kissed me fore? And then 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: I was like watching it and I'm watching Brien who 72 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: plays Spider, and I'm like we met you, like yes, 73 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: and then I'm like the show yea, like that was 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: like two years ago, I know. So anyway, it was 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: really really good and I definitely had like some moments, 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, it felt like a good It felt like 77 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: a good wrap up. Yeah, good classes and you know 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: when a show ends and they probably could have like 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: kept going. Yeah, but you're like, do you know what 80 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: this feels right? This feels right that we've wrapped it 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: up here because is it their last year of high school? Yeah, 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: it kind of like that they could have taken it 83 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: into Uni. It always sucks when when shows do that, 84 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: exactly when the when they graduate and then they go 85 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: to union. It's the whole every fucking high school show 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: that's ever done that. It's always the and now we 87 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: have to deal with the fact that we're not at 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: high school and the trials and tribulations of going to university, 89 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: and it's like and they all kind of good and 90 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: then yeah, I like because some people don't go yeah, 91 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: some people do go and I'm like, no, this is 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: gonna be a little too close to real life. Yeah literally, 93 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: maybe that's my issue. Yeah, but yeah, so it was 94 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: really good. And be careful of uneven surfaces in your 95 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: home because you might troop full and watch the. 96 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Whole season in window. 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Okay, that's your obsession. My obsession of the week is 98 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: a post I saw on Instagram and it's ways I 99 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: plan to become more difficult as a woman in twenty 100 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: twenty six. All this, and I locked it and I 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: thought lots of chicks could get inspo from this. Yes, 102 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: not moving out of the way, Oh my god, yes, 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: which literally I tried to do the other day and 104 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: somebody almost ran me over. Do you ever just commit 105 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: to it? Sometimes? Yeah, Like sometimes I can see and 106 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I can tell the person isn't gonna move out of 107 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: the fucking way, And so sometimes I can see and 108 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: know that that person isn't also gonna move, Like I 109 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: think a mutual movement is required. I'm not expecting people 110 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: to move out of my way, but I do enjoy 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: a mutual movement of like an angle of shoulders right totally, 112 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: and you just fucking know. But I'm such a fucking wooze, 113 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: and that if I do commit to it and then 114 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: we do like smack shoulders. 115 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: I'm always like that. 116 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, Sam, Sam standing back food I didn't order. 117 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, love this one. 118 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: Yep. Sit back and relax at social events. So don't 119 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: feel the need to be like the Court's jester. Taking 120 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: my time in the gym definitely something I like, see 121 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: somebody coming up and I'm like, oh, move, I've done 122 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: in the gym first, that's like all that one, but 123 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: then we'll get there. Yeah. Advocating for myself at the GP. 124 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: Did this the other day, left and cried immediately in 125 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: the middle of them all, but still stood up for myself, 126 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: saying no without an explanation, my fave, asking for my 127 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: coffee exactly how I want it. 128 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: Yes, we do this. 129 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I feel better about myself. Yeah, because it's like, 130 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: and I think the way that she I also love that, 131 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: like all of those things aren't being difficult, like and 132 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of the good pointing that it's it's like 133 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: really like, how like how difficult are those things and 134 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: the fact that that's like being more of a difficult 135 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: in quotes woman, I'm like let's ramp that up by 136 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: about one hundred percent. Yeah, calling people kids on the street. 137 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: Why not see your man come along? 138 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Stick your foot out, yeah, kick him in the shin. 139 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 140 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? Like? I get that 141 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: it's that it's a trend, but it's just about like 142 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: not shrinking yourself and taking up more space. 143 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and asking for what you want. 144 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put a link to the original post that 145 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: I saw in the show notes. But yeah, that's how 146 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: she wrapped it up. At the end, she was like, 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: none of these things are actually being difficult. It's just 148 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: advocating for yourself and saying what you want and that 149 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make you a difficult, difficult person. No, I could. 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: Probably it'st about five other things that actually make me 151 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: a difficult and I like them. Well, on that note, 152 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: shall we get into the episode? 153 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into it. 154 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Okay. So there is a recent article that has been 155 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: written in Vogue and it asks is the Girl Boss 156 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: making a comeback? 157 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: Speaking of throwback? 158 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I know. So the article suggests that the Girl Boss 159 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: might be making a comeback and you know, what is it? 160 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: And why did we ever fall out of this trend? Really? Say? Yeah, 161 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: it was like a bit of a phenomenon in the 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: twenty tens. Yes, the term girl boss was first popularized 163 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: by American business woman Sophia Amroso, founder of the online 164 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: fashion retailer Nasty Goal, which I was like throw back, 165 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: I know, did you ever watch her TV show on 166 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: netwlit I was gonna ask you about this. Yes, I 167 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: never watched it, but I have seen people discuss it 168 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: being like it was really good. It was so good. 169 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: It was it really cheesy it was, and it was 170 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: like the epitome of those like twenty ten shows where 171 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: the lead is just insufferable. And she worked on the 172 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: show too, I gave and I think that it was 173 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: partially based on her book hashtag Girl girl Boss, which 174 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: also came out in twenty fourteen. 175 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, it was a real thing. 176 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: She was definitely the face of that but inspired like 177 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: a whole phenomenon. 178 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, a revolution, if. 179 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: You will, Because in twenty seventeen, the term hashtag girl 180 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: boss had reached over two point five million hashtag posts 181 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram. However, today the hashtag girl boss has more 182 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: than twenty eight million hashtags on Instagram. Yeah, so like 183 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: it's I think when you look at that it's like, 184 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: did it actually then go anywhere? 185 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 186 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Seriously, Or I would love to do like a content 187 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: analysis and see how many of those hashtags are being 188 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: used ironically, because I think people are still like girl 189 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: boss or like the whole thing of like a girl 190 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: boss too close to the sun that was women in 191 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: stem yeah, exactly, Like I wonder how many of those 192 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: women in stam hashtags are actually women in stamp, yeah, 193 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: Or it's just a little funny haha, Yeah, because I 194 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: do think, like, as with so many of this and 195 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: we'll get into it later, it originates from a place 196 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: of you know, what's supposed to be either fun or empowerment. Yeah. However, 197 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: when you kind of look at things with lack this term, 198 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: it can kind of fall apart a little bit, yeah, 199 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: into why it's built up to that. And so Leah Shepherd, 200 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: who has a PhD, says this idea of girl boss 201 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: feminism arose in response to sexism in the workplace. Throughout 202 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, women were relegated to assistant positions and 203 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: didn't have opportunities to grow. The twenty tents were a 204 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: time of female ambition and entrepreneurship, so the hashtag girl 205 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Boss movement was popular because part of its key mesas 206 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: was encouraging female empowerment and women empowerment in the workplace 207 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,479 Speaker 1: and in life. Yeah, Like, I think when it initially 208 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: popped up, people found it really motivating and inspired saying, 209 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: and it was you know, we've referenced this sort of 210 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: era in media as well. When we were growing up 211 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: in the two thousands, so many of our favorite films 212 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: and pop culture moments featured women in the workplace, like 213 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, Suddenly Thirty or How to Lose a Guy 214 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: in Ten Days, or even reality TV shows like The Hills, 215 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: which showed them are working at teen Vogue and I 216 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool, Like I want to be a 217 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: career oriented woman, And that was very inspirational as a 218 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: child and as like a teenager and a young woman 219 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: in the two thousands. Yes, But like you said, with 220 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these things that do start off as inspirational, 221 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: I do think when they become like a marketing term 222 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: or move into like the mainstream, then they can potentially 223 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: be picked apart and pulled apart, which is kind of 224 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: like what happened with the Girl Boss because despite the 225 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: intentions of it being positive and uplifting. I think then 226 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: people started to look at it with a more critical 227 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: lens and say, is this actually aspirational or is it condescending? Yeah, 228 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: And I think you can probably have that discussion with 229 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: so many things, For example, girl math exactly. So like 230 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: girl math, we had come out and it was t 231 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: he ha ha funny, funny. Yeah, that it would be like, oh, 232 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: when I buy something online and I return it, I 233 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: actually made money girl math, Yeah, And like I kind 234 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: of found it funny as well when it took off 235 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: as like a little bit of a trend. And then 236 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: we also had the counter part of boy math, like 237 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: when he says his six foot that's boy math. Yeah, 238 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: still one of the funniest things to me. 239 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. 240 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: But similar with that, it then was kind of just like, hmm, 241 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: are we then still furthering this narrative that well, anything 242 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: any category, whether it's boss, whether it's dinner, whether it's math. 243 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: As soon as we're putting the word girl in front 244 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: of it, are we making it this frivolous thing not 245 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: to be taken too seriously. Yeah, that is kind of 246 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: where all of those trends, aesthetics, categories of distinction have 247 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: gone towards Yeah, it's not done. Girl math is actually 248 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: the fact that women are better at money than men statistically. 249 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 250 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, whereas when something that has the 251 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: word girl in front of it then becomes mainstream, the 252 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: needle of it isn't pushed further to highlight how intelligent 253 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: and smart women are, It actually becomes laced with a 254 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: tone of condescension. Yeah, it really worked hard not to 255 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: say condensation. Then my brain went into vital five and 256 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: it was like and then the cafe kicked in and 257 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: it went I've got shit. It was like, sit down, 258 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I'll handle this. 259 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't worry. Yeah. 260 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: And because I think with the term girl boss especially 261 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: it putting girl in front of boss, like we don't 262 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: call men boy boss. Yeah, they just the boss. So 263 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, there's something really unique and magical and 264 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: out of this world because you're a female who's also 265 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: a boss, and that Yes, of course we want to 266 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: celebrate women in business, and we do know that women 267 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: in business do have to face challenges that men don't. 268 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: But also like, is this I think that's the thing. 269 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: We started using this title as a way to empower women. 270 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: But then it's like is it actually separating it and 271 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: being like you're good for a girl, like you know what, 272 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: maybe used to say that in primary school, like you 273 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: can swim pretty fast for a girl, or like you're 274 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: good at this for a girl kind of gives that 275 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: sort of vice in a way which I think people 276 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: would get annoyed with because it gives a double standard 277 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: that like, oh, good job. Isn't it so impressive that 278 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: you founded your own business? And it's like why should 279 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: that be considered something really marvelous, Like it should just 280 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: be like we should be on an equal playing field. 281 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, So I think there were then. 282 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: Lots of articles and things that came out in the 283 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: twenty tens and it was like the end of the 284 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Girl Boss and lots of people were tearing that down, 285 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: and even I think then with Nasty Gal, for example, 286 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: people were also very critical. Well, for adian should be 287 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more critical Freudian slip, people were quite 288 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna say with that for a little bit, 289 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to move up from that critical. I 290 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: think this weekend I'm going to get a little bit cltical. 291 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: That's when you're like horny but also using critical thinking. Yeah, 292 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: table let's get clinical, clinical, Let's put that shit on 293 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: a shirt, Let's get clinical. So people were also critical 294 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: of brands like Nasty Gal and maybe some of the 295 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: ethics of those businesses and of like the people behind it, 296 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: as well as the movement in general. So while that 297 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: was like a very millennial thing in the twenty tens 298 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: when millennial women were first going into the workforce, over 299 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: the last like five or so years, I think we've 300 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: seen people rejecting the notion, right. Yeah, I think we've 301 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: seen more of like a growth towards female founder. 302 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: Rather than girl boss. 303 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: But I do think you could potentially steal maybe question 304 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: why we even do need that distinction. I think you 305 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: could look at it with the other lens of the 306 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: fact that it is harder to be a female founder. 307 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: It is more difficult to get funding as a woman, 308 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: it is more difficult to get promotions as a woman. 309 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: So where there is distinction, you could also look at 310 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: it as part of the fact that it is actually 311 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: harder to be a woman in business. And what I 312 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: thought was very interesting from that Vogue article as well 313 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: was the discussion of the ambition gap between men and women, 314 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: And we talk about a lot of these things that 315 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, we've got the gender pay gap, but where 316 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: the ambition gap comes into it is the fact that 317 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: women do not get the same support and opportunities as men. 318 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: So their ambition and their drive can feel and fall 319 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: flat because there's the thought of, well, what's the point 320 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't have the support I need to get that 321 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: role and I'm also doing all of these other things 322 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: at home that if I was able to, like, agine 323 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: how powerful women would be if they also had to 324 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: stay at home wife. 325 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah seriously, wow, wow. 326 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: That would be great. Like imagine what women could achieve 327 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: if they also had you know, a stay at home 328 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: white for mum running the household for them. Yeah, that's great, 329 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: And because there's still so much guilt that comes with 330 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: that as well being an ambitious woman, especially if you 331 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: do have a family or you're in a relationship. And 332 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: when I'm saying that, I'm saying that like stay at 333 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: home moms and wives and all of that do so 334 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: much exactly. So like that, like whether or not you 335 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: do work or you stay at home, whatever that is, 336 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: like that is full a full time role. Yeah. And 337 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: so then you also, on top of that, have women 338 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: that work full time and do a lot of the 339 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: unpaid labor of being a mum, and so it's like 340 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: that snowball effect of it. Yeah, And so there was 341 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: also a really interesting article in Psychology Today that highlighted 342 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: the double standard with the girl boss theme and that 343 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: it's sexist to suggest that women have different characteristic skills 344 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: or preferences than those of men, unless those differences paint 345 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: women in a more favorable light than men, in which 346 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: case those differences should be shouted from the rooftops. So 347 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: that's like kind of what all were saying before, being like, actually, 348 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: women have more hurdles. So to have that distinction of 349 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: a female founder or a girl boss, if you want 350 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: to use that term, is to probably actually highlight the 351 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: hurdles that women have to go through in order to 352 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: achieve the same status level of workplace as a man. 353 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: As well as those critiques of the Girl Boss, we've 354 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: also seen attitudes towards work change as well, just as 355 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: a whole for gen Z compared to millennials or other 356 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: generations who may have resonated with the Girl Boss. So 357 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: gen Z changing the way that they approach work, and 358 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are prioritizing their mental 359 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: health and work life balance over career ambition. So we've 360 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: seen a lot of articles about this, and we have 361 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: spoken about this kind of attitude shift before, but we 362 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: wanted to know what you chicks thought about it. So 363 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: we asked what you value most in your working life. 364 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: Let's go from bottom to top. Fifteen percent of you 365 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: said that you value your work's impact the most. Fifteen 366 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: percent said you value your role, title or dream job 367 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: the most. Thirty three percent of you said you value 368 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: your salary the most, and the most popular value thirty 369 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: six percent of you said you value your work colleagues 370 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: or team the most. Share. Yeah, so people actually care 371 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: more about their working environment and the people that they 372 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: work with rather than even their job. 373 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: Title or salary. That's good. 374 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice, isn't it. It is? Yeah, And I 375 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: feel like that's a good value to have because as well, 376 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, as much as I'm like, like, 377 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: you should be getting paid exactly what you're worth and 378 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: what you deserve, but at the end of the day, 379 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: would you rather be in a job that Yeah, maybe 380 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: you're getting paid like fuck ton of money, like two 381 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: hundred k a year, but you go in and you 382 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: hate your life every single fucking day exactly, or you 383 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: earn less than that, but you go in and you 384 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: like the people that you're around and stuff like that, 385 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: because we've had the best of both worlds. Yeah, and reference, 386 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: and like, I've worked with people that I really really 387 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: liked and like that may going into work fun and exciting, 388 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: and then I've worked with people that I fucking hate it. 389 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting because people aren't chasing 390 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: promotions or you know, the dream of being a CEO. 391 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: They're looking for a more holistic approach that provides them 392 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: with more happiness and fulfillmat which I also thinks makes 393 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: sense when we're talking about what people look back on 394 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: in their life and they think about the most, and 395 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: it's the relationships. Yeah, And you spend so much time 396 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: with the like so much time with your work, your 397 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: work colleagues, Like in your early twenties, especially when you 398 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: just move out, you see your colleagues more than you 399 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: see your own family. Yeah. So that's also why I 400 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: like whenever I'd be frustrated with a colleague or anything 401 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: like that, because that's bound to happen, I would kind 402 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: of tell myself, you know, we see these people more 403 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: we see than we see our family, So like, naturally 404 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: there's always going to be some friction at some point 405 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: in time. But I don't think you should ever be 406 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: in the position where you're going into work with dread exactly, 407 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: because that's like one of the worst feelings in the world. 408 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: I think, like dread anxiety is just I really don't 409 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: like that one. That one makes me feel not nice 410 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: in the tummy. I don't like that one. Yeah, that's 411 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Sunday scariest. Watch what's this person going to say today? 412 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: How are they going to upset me today? How are 413 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: they going to ruin my day to day? And that 414 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: like dread that for me, everyone would obviously have different 415 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: values what they can get through, But for me, that one, 416 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't like this. Yeah, here's 417 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: my letter it was all for But that's really like 418 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: that gives me a lot of hope, and I do 419 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: like that. Because we've also seen a lot of conversations 420 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: around quiet quitting and people valuing work life balance more 421 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: than career ambition and really like doing more than what 422 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: they're being paid for. What is quite quitting? What is 423 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: quiet quitting? Zell So, quiet quitting is when an employee 424 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: does exactly what they're paid for, so exactly what is 425 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: in their job description, and not going above and beyond that, 426 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: so not working longer hours than you need to, taking 427 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: your sick leave, taking your lunch break, and not working 428 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: outside of your role description. Huh yeah, I don't know 429 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: if I would call that quiet quitting right, honest. Well, 430 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: that was actually we did get because we polled the 431 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: chicks and asked them what they thought about quiet quitting. 432 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: Forty eight percent of you chicks voted that quiet quitting 433 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: is setting boundaries, sixteen percent said it was lazy, and 434 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: thirty six percent of you didn't really know what it meant. 435 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: But we did get some interesting dms basically pointing that 436 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: out and saying this term of quiet quitting and laziness 437 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't even be in the same sentence. But that is 438 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: some of the critiques and comments that I've seen online 439 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: around quiet quitting, which is why I wanted to ask 440 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: that because I don't think that it's necessarily true. I 441 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's like an accurate name to the description 442 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: of that point, because you should be going into work 443 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: for the sad hours that you have, and you should 444 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: simply be doing what your job description states, like, I 445 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: am yes, every now and again, there may be this 446 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: like thing that you want to go above on four 447 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: or like once every six months if there's like a 448 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: shoot that starts an hour earlier. I don't know, right, 449 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: but to constantly expect people to do more. There was 450 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: this scene from a new Emma Stone movie that's coming 451 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: out and I literally just saw the ones and I 452 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen the movie or couldn't even tell you the 453 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: name of it, to be honest, I just watched the 454 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: clip and then scrolling and she was talking with like 455 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: a head of hr being like, and did you send 456 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: out that email that we discussed new era, new values. 457 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: Everyone everyone needs to finish work and go home at 458 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: five point thirty And she's like, but remember that tone, 459 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: like like we discussed yeah, And it was like so 460 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: like if you finish your work, no, go home, go home. 461 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: If you finish your work, but if you haven't finished 462 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: everything that you need to do, then you know, use 463 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: use your better judgment. Yeah, and that kind of pressure 464 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: that happens in the workplace so often. Yeah, of like 465 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you more than you were actually 466 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: able to do within these hours. And then I'm gonna 467 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: put that stress on you. And that was also kind 468 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: of referenced in this article. That was like an expectation 469 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: to do more and go above and beyond, whereas we're 470 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: now seeing a shift, especially within younger demographics. And why 471 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: this kind of girl boss resurgence is happening is because 472 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: people think, well, why should I put this much effort 473 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: into growing something for you rather than growing something for myself. 474 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: And I think one of the top careers for younger 475 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: generations and when I'm saying that, I'm meaning like lateeens 476 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: to early twenties, and I do think this is bleeding 477 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: up into older generations as well, is to just be 478 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and to own your own business. And it's 479 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: why we're seeing this resurgence of the girl boss come back, 480 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: because people are like, why am I breaking my back 481 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: for someone who actually doesn't even know my name? Yeah? Yeah, 482 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: and like how that comes into it? And so I 483 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: feel like quiet quitting needs like a rebrand because that, 484 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: to me, isn't quitting, that's just doing your job. Yeah, Well, 485 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: that shows where we've been as a society. If quiet 486 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: quitting is doing what you're being paid for and what's 487 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: in your job description, which I thought was really interesting, 488 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: and I do like that we are moving towards people 489 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of asking these questions of do I want to 490 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: be doing this for somebody else or do I want 491 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: to be building something up for myself? Because also in 492 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: even like the Australian social media industry, we're seeing so 493 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: many incredible female founders building amazing brands and kind of 494 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: becoming like girl boss icons in their own right, like yeah, 495 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: Britney Saunders of Faye or Riley Hempsen of Remy Grace Beverley, 496 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: like they're amazing. I do think female founders definitely get 497 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: held in a more critical lens than men, but I 498 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: think we could go down that rabbit hole for a 499 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: very long term. So rather than going down that, I 500 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: want to get into more in a positive lens of 501 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: what does being a girl boss mean to you? And 502 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: so we also brought the chicks in to have this discussion. 503 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: But in the Vogue article, it suggests that the girl 504 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: boss era, whether it was positive or negative, maybe in 505 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: the past, but it has changed the way women move 506 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: in the workplace more so we're now more aware of 507 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: like the institutional issues facing feminist presence in professional settings, 508 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: and while there's still a long way to go, we 509 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: know the changes that need to happen, such as the 510 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: gender pay gap and the fact that for every one 511 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: dollar a man earns, a woman on average earns only 512 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: eighty eight point eight cents, and in twenty fourteen, a 513 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: woman on average was earning eighty one cents to a 514 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: man's dollar. So while it's improving in some ways, we're 515 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: also it's not done, you know. Yeah, But also it's 516 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: not just about the money too, Like it is about 517 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, the different opportunities and the way that women 518 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: are treated in the workplace and taken seriously as well. Yeah, 519 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: and like creating safe space for women to do that 520 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: and feel like they're being respected and listen to and taken. 521 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: Seriously in the workplace. 522 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: And I think the monetary dollar is just only one 523 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: way that people do that. And like having these conversations 524 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: around female founders and in a way that isn't like 525 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: the girl boss is bad because I think that we'll 526 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: just fall into the same cycle. But yeah, being more 527 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: clitical or critical yeah around it. 528 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: Being a girl. 529 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: Boss is going to look different to everyone, and what 530 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: you get out of your career is going to be 531 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: different to every single person, and forty four percent of 532 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: you chicks said that some of your self worth is 533 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: tied to your career, and I think, like we were 534 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: definite say the same, a lot of our identity is 535 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: tied to our career, even prior to doing this job. 536 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: So I do think that it is important to get 537 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: value and passion out of what you're doing, and whether 538 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: that is still doing you know, quiet quitting in quotation 539 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: marks and doing what you're paid for, but still asking 540 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: yourself like is this something that I really want to do? 541 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: Or would I get more value out of working for myself? Yeah, 542 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: or even like I do also think values come into 543 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: it in terms of like do you even want to 544 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: work that hard? Some people just love going to their shift, 545 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, working their favorite bookstore or you know, 546 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: making coffees, like whatever it is. Some people are like, yep, 547 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: I want to just get in, get my paycheck, go. 548 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: With my life. 549 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like that's amazing. I think my concern when 550 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: we kind of pulling these things is it then puts 551 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: this pressure on all women to be like, well, if 552 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: you're not a. 553 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: Girl boss, you're failing. 554 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: But that's not the case because at the end of 555 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: the day, you work to live, you don't live to work. 556 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: And I do think we are getting so much more 557 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: aligned to that in society and in life, and I 558 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: think that's so much more fun. 559 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: Because like, what's the point in doing all. 560 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: Of this is that are you going to be at 561 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: your funeral and someone's going to be doing your speech 562 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: and they're going to go Jessica was a really really 563 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: big girl boss, and she always met her deadlines and 564 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: really knew how to run a marketing meeting. 565 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: She made an amazing spreadsheet. 566 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: Jessica could kill a spreadsheet, you know, she smashed that 567 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: fuck that. You know, like they're not gonna put girl 568 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: Boss on your tombstone. So at the end of the day, 569 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: as fulfilling and incredible as enjoying your career is, that's 570 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: like the main priority that it should be. You know, 571 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be the fact that you have to fulfill 572 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: all of the checkboxes to be able to be like yeap, cool, 573 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: done the girl boss, Because like, at the end of 574 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: the day, and what this entire thing is is what 575 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: does that actually even mean? So to wrap it up, 576 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: we asked you, chicks, what does being a girl boss mean? 577 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: To you, and we wanted to read out some of 578 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: our favorites. So number one having the ability to do 579 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: it all and be seene, being independent, self sufficient, and 580 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: having meaningful relationships. I like that this one on the 581 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: flip side, a woman in the workplace that would have 582 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: bullied me in high school. Being a girl boss means 583 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: building success on my terms. Another one says a patronizing 584 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: term used by men. Oh, understanding that as humans we 585 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: aren't undimensional. Do whatever makes you happy. Then two we 586 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: have is taking up the same space men do and 587 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: not giving a fuck. And then another one says cringey 588 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, loll And then someone else said, I 589 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,239 Speaker 1: have no idea, but I want it. I feel like 590 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: that is exactly what this episode has encompassed. Yeah, that 591 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: there is so many different opinions and views on this term. Yeah, 592 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: and that how that term has evolved has been met 593 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: with mixed responses, with least responses. Yeah. And so I 594 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: do think, as always with these Internet terms, as they arise, 595 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: you can either lean into it or be like, no, okay, 596 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah, exactly do you think do you do 597 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: you think you would start using the term girl boss? No? Never, 598 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: I hated it then and I hate it now. I'm 599 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: not a fan of like hashtag hustle culture. No, it's 600 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: never been something that I aligned with, but I do. 601 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: I did always love when I saw people taking inspiration 602 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: from it, and I love seeing the female founders who 603 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: are now in the space inspiring a lot of women 604 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: out there to chase their dreams and build their own 605 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: businesses and create the teams and workspaces that they want 606 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: to be in. So I think it is that it's 607 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: looking at a term like girl boss, and if you 608 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: can take inspiration from it, love that. 609 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: And if you look at it. 610 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: And you see that it's just a bunch of letters 611 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,959 Speaker 1: jumbled together that really mean nothing to you, that's also fine. Yeah. 612 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that would be my go to word 613 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: to describe someone that I look up to in a 614 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: career way. Like I don't think I would say, like, oh, well, 615 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: like Grace so smart, she's such a girl boss. Like 616 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: I'd be like, she's so smart, she's really good at productivity. 617 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: Like I don't think any of those descriptive words need 618 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: to have the gendered term within it. Yeah, Yeah, And 619 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I look at it, and I 620 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: don't think I always felt that way, like when I 621 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: was younger, like in twenty fourteen, I can't do math, 622 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: so I don't know how old I was, but I 623 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: was seventeen and I was like, oh yeah, like yes, 624 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: so kinnant and then yeah. Also, as you get older 625 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: or you develop more and read more critical opinions of it, 626 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay. So I think it's a nice 627 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: reminder to like this episode has been like a nice 628 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: reminder to support women more and like to realize that 629 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: we don't get given the opportunities and to seek support 630 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: and to fuel your ambition in whatever ways that fill 631 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: your cup. Like the best way to support women in 632 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: business is to give them space to create things, to 633 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: ask questions, to get paid what they deserved, and shot 634 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: with business at small businesses that are founded by women. 635 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: Follow women on Instagram and boost them up in the 636 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: comments when they're launching something like support your friends who 637 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: are starting their own small business. And that's going to 638 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: do a lot more than calling someone a girl boss. Yes, 639 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect note to end on. Well, 640 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: thank you chicks for having us in your ear holes. 641 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: We La La La love to be here, La La 642 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: La Big kisses, big smooches, and we'll see you. 643 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: On Thursday with a strong woman exactly. 644 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: Bye Bye,