Speaker 1: Why on Sky News this is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 2: Well, no one is going to fall for Fatima Payments act.
Speaker 2: She's claiming there that there's no place in our society
Speaker 2: for division when she is creating division. She voted in
Speaker 2: the Senate today to sanction Israel for daring to respond
Speaker 2: to the Hamas terror attacks. She claims there's no place
Speaker 2: for hatred, yet she continues to utter a hateful and
Speaker 2: anti Semitic phrase that calls for the destruction of the
Speaker 2: Jewish homeland. She talks about being wholesome as a nation,
Speaker 2: but what we've seen from so many pro Palestinian activists
Speaker 2: is firebombing, anti semitism, of violence, and hate speech. None
Speaker 2: of that is wholesome. Well, I'd like to know if
Speaker 2: Fatima payment or anyone else on that program condemns the
Speaker 2: violent attacks on politicians, offices, labor politicians. That's far from wholesome.
Speaker 2: Fatimah Payman and the Greens condemn Israel constantly, as we
Speaker 2: just heard, but how often do they speak passionately about
Speaker 2: the hostages, including babies and children, still held by terrorists
Speaker 2: in Gaza. None of them would dare to admit that
Speaker 2: Israel's war against himas would stop immediately if the terrorist
Speaker 2: group simply surrendered and returned the hostages. Instead of having
Speaker 2: a whole Muslim political movement putting pressure on Labor to
Speaker 2: do more on Israel, why don't these Islamic leaders instead
Speaker 2: pressure hermus directly to return hostages and stop their violent,
Speaker 2: barbaric regime. Let's only cause bloodshed and loss of life
Speaker 2: for both Palestinians and Israelis. Now, I've got to say
Speaker 2: I disagree with almost every word that was uttered in
Speaker 2: that program, apart from three sensible voices James Patterson, David
Speaker 2: Adler and Jamal Riffi.
Speaker 3: They have little understanding about the ramification of what they
Speaker 3: are doing, not in southwestern Sydney, but across the nation.
Speaker 3: It's very divisive. In my opinion and in the opinion
Speaker 3: of the majority of people that I consulted with.
Speaker 4: They've sought to weaponize a foreign conflict for domestic political
Speaker 4: advantage irresponsibly. They've whipped up a lot of anger in
Speaker 4: the community and directed it towards the electorate offices of
Speaker 4: Labor MPs in a way that's deeply dangerous and unprincipled.
Speaker 2: And James Patterson will be on my show later tonight
Speaker 2: we've seen anger at what's happening in Gaza. Well that
Speaker 2: anger should be directed at Hermas, yet it's been directed
Speaker 2: at Jewish Australians and labor politicians. We are all Australians first,
Speaker 2: and the biggest social problem that Australia faces right now
Speaker 2: is lawlessness, violence, anti Semitism and aggression on our streets.
Speaker 2: Islamic extremism is the top terror threat. That's the problem
Speaker 2: we face, not what's unfolding in Israel and Gaza. Now,
Speaker 2: let's have a look at the economy now, and we
Speaker 2: are seeing what is quite an historic conflict between the
Speaker 2: RBA and the Albenese government play out on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: The RBA seeks to take money out of the economy
Speaker 2: through rate rises, while the government insists on injecting money
Speaker 2: back into the economy through big spending. Albanesi's latest pay
Speaker 2: rise of fifteen percent for childcare workers came just two
Speaker 2: days after the RBA specifically said the government in spending
Speaker 2: was keeping inflation high and that more rate rises may
Speaker 2: be necessary. Well, we might have to pay even higher
Speaker 2: interest rates just so the Prime Minister can have an
Speaker 2: announceable so to speak, and positive pr a massive fifteen
Speaker 2: percent pay rises for childcare workers could now be replicated
Speaker 2: in other sectors, with more unions pushing hard for similar.
Speaker 1: Sized pay rises.
Speaker 2: As The Australian reported today, we're in an inflation crisis
Speaker 2: and the Albanezer government is working against the RBA. It's
Speaker 2: a potent political line of attack for the opposition. Today,
Speaker 2: yet again, Peter Dutton hounded the Prime Minister over his
Speaker 2: broken promise on the cost of living.
Speaker 5: Before the election, the now Prime Minister promised to cut
Speaker 5: electricity bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars, provide
Speaker 5: cheaper mortgages and to ensure families will be better off
Speaker 5: on the cost of living. Instead of reducing costs for
Speaker 5: working families, US delivered twelve mortgage rate increases, a twenty
Speaker 5: two percent increase in electricity prices, and food and groceries
Speaker 5: have jumped by over eleven percent. Why does this tricky
Speaker 5: prime minister repeatedly promise one thing and do another.
Speaker 6: After three filed budgets, labor has added over three hundred
Speaker 6: and fifteen billion dollars is spending. That's over thirty thousand
Speaker 6: dollars per household. This prime minister promised to reduce the
Speaker 6: cost of living, but the RBA says his decisions are
Speaker 6: pushing up the cost of living. Why does this tricky
Speaker 6: Prime minister repeatedly promise one thing and then do another.
Speaker 2: Well, given the RBA statements are in black and white.
Speaker 2: The government spending and it's both state and federal government
Speaker 2: spending is keeping inflation high, there's really not much room
Speaker 2: for Albinezi to move. So he paints Peter Dutton as
Speaker 2: heartless for refusing to commit to the fifteen percent pay rise,
Speaker 2: when really it's the PM who's heartless because his spending
Speaker 2: is keeping inflation higher for longer and risking even more
Speaker 2: rate rises. Albinze's predecessor as labor leader, Bill Shotten, may
Speaker 2: have made things worse for the government. On Q and
Speaker 2: A last night shoton eloquently highlighted all the areas where
Speaker 2: labor was contributing to inflation. You also helpfully added that
Speaker 2: some of it is home grown.
Speaker 1: Have a look, it is.
Speaker 7: Not all the governments fault about inflation the things they're criticizing. Yes,
Speaker 7: we have increased the age pension by one hundred and
Speaker 7: twenty bucks a fortnite in the last two years.
Speaker 6: Yes we have increased the.
Speaker 7: Disability Support pension by about one hundred and twenty bucks
Speaker 7: over the last two years. Yes, we are going to
Speaker 7: pay early childhood educators a pay rise. Yes we have
Speaker 7: supported wage rises for millions of people. Yes we have
Speaker 7: supported two point eight million people under forty five thousand
Speaker 7: dollars a year getting access to the tax cut which
Speaker 7: was otherwise reserved for the top end. There is some
Speaker 7: homegrown inflation. But I just think this argument that somehow
Speaker 7: the government should just it's spending too much. What I
Speaker 7: never hear from perhaps either the commentators or the LIB
Speaker 7: policy is what are you going to cut?
Speaker 2: Look, here's a very clever politician shot and so that
Speaker 2: response is actually quite funny and shot and saying it's
Speaker 2: not all the government's fault and inflation and yes, some
Speaker 2: of it is homegrown. I mean, he's basically mounting the
Speaker 2: coalition's argument for them. And by the way, Jane Hume
Speaker 2: did have a list of ideas about well what the
Speaker 2: government could cut.
Speaker 8: Have a look, what about two billion dollars on the
Speaker 8: suburban rail loop in Victoria, a project that doesn't even
Speaker 8: have a business case, that's stacked up. What about a
Speaker 8: billion dollars to create solar SunShot solar panels that are
Speaker 8: never going to be competitive. Half a billion on an
Speaker 8: American company's an American company's quantum computing project. And if
Speaker 8: you want to get right down to brass tax bill,
Speaker 8: how about six hundred and twenty thousand dollars on your
Speaker 8: speech writer so that you can sound more empathetic or
Speaker 8: the ice forpins Well.
Speaker 2: Six hundred and twenty thousand isn't nothing but voter anger
Speaker 2: at the Prime Minister for working against the Central Bank
Speaker 2: is now growing. Figures show that thirty five percent of
Speaker 2: Australians have a mortgage. That's three point three million households
Speaker 2: going through financial pain, just so ALB and Easy can
Speaker 2: have some positive pr to try and win votes ahead
Speaker 2: of the election. The RBA's blunt instrument of raising rates
Speaker 2: does unfairly shoulder the burden of fighting inflation on mortgage holders.
Speaker 2: Those three point three million households, they're usually middle income
Speaker 2: families working nine to five jobs, trying to raise kids.
Speaker 2: There are fairer ways of bringing down inflation that could
Speaker 2: work even faster now. There are two cutting edge ideas
Speaker 2: being discussed at the moment by the country's leading economists.
Speaker 2: One is to have a variable rate of GST. Whether
Speaker 2: RBA or another independent authority could adjust the rate higher
Speaker 2: or lower. This would reduce demand. It would affect all
Speaker 2: Australians equally. But there's another option that economists say would
Speaker 2: be an elegant solution to calling the economy and fast.
Speaker 2: It's adjusting the of the superannuation guarantee. In times like
Speaker 2: wherein now the RBA or again another independent body could
Speaker 2: lift the super guarantee to say fifteen percent. It reduces
Speaker 2: disposable income and thus spending. It's fairer than only having
Speaker 2: mortgage holders fight inflation. And then in other times when
Speaker 2: the economy is weaker and you need stimulation, the super
Speaker 2: guarantee could be cut to say five percent, and everyone
Speaker 2: takes home more money and is able to spend it,
Speaker 2: stimulating the economy. Unlike with rate rises where you never
Speaker 2: see the extra money you're paying again, when you're paying
Speaker 2: more super you do actually get to keep the money
Speaker 2: for your retirement. The Sydney Morning Herald's economics editor Russ
Speaker 2: Gittens wrote about these ideas Briefly. He said, I'm attracted
Speaker 2: to the idea of temporary changes to the rate of
Speaker 2: compulsory superannuation contributions. He said the reliance on interest rates
Speaker 2: to reduce demand and is hugely unfair, but it's also
Speaker 2: lacking in effectiveness. All of us have contributed to the
Speaker 2: excessive demand for goods and services, but only the minority
Speaker 2: of us with big mortgages have been pressed directly to
Speaker 2: pull back our spending. And he argues there's a strong
Speaker 2: case for reform in the macro economy and why should
Speaker 2: average Australians shoulder the burden of fighting the cost of
Speaker 2: living crisis while Albanese doesn't take the hint from the
Speaker 2: RBA to cut spending.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 2: Also coming up on the show My Exclusive tonight, the
Speaker 2: Coalition is demanding that the Albanese government follow Germany's example
Speaker 2: and deport her mus supporters. That exclusive story coming up.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump wants an iron Dome for America. He made
Speaker 2: the remarks in an interview with Elon Musk today that
Speaker 2: the White House wanted to shut down and Raygun mocked
Speaker 2: by Jimmy Fallon. While videos of kids doing better than
Speaker 2: the Australian Olympian go viral, but the only thing worse
Speaker 2: than Raygun's breakdancing are her academic papers.
Speaker 10: She's trying to tie it to colonial structures. Everything's about
Speaker 10: racialized theory.
Speaker 2: All right, Lots to get through tonight, So let's get
Speaker 2: straight into it with my panel, Former Speaker of the
Speaker 2: House Bronwin Bishop Ansky, news host Caleb Bond, Welcome to
Speaker 2: you both. Look, let's start with Peter Dutton's attack on
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister over cost of living. Bron went absolutely
Speaker 2: brutal remarks from the RBA that government spending is contributing
Speaker 2: to the inflation crisis. It has fueled Peter Dutton's attacks
Speaker 2: and really the Prime Minister can't argue with it.
Speaker 11: No, he can't, because the whole point is that monetary
Speaker 11: and fiscal policy have to be in balance and they're not.
Speaker 11: You've got the RBA who has only one tool, and
Speaker 11: that's the razy interestrates, and that not only affects mortgage holders,
Speaker 11: but it also affects renters because it's passed on through
Speaker 11: the mortgage over a rental property. So in that context
Speaker 11: that the Reserve Bank has put up its interst rates,
Speaker 11: but the government has not done its bit.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 11: Robert got de Leeves and showed some very good comments
Speaker 11: from Saul Eastleck saying that over the period from June
Speaker 11: twenty twenty two to March twenty twenty four that the
Speaker 11: state and federal expenditure on fixed capital and goods and
Speaker 11: service rose eleven point nine percent, whereas private consumption rose
Speaker 11: only three percent. And that says it all the government
Speaker 11: and most of those through that period of time, most
Speaker 11: of the state governments are also Labor are just spending now.
Speaker 11: I think I said right from the beginning when the
Speaker 11: first of the twelve rating increases that labor has given
Speaker 11: was that they are pushing wages up, they are pushing
Speaker 11: costs up, and if you try to have one chase
Speaker 11: the other, then it's disaster.
Speaker 1: And that's what you've got.
Speaker 11: People get more money in their pocket, but you can
Speaker 11: buy less with it, and so your standard of living drops.
Speaker 11: And that's what Albinizi is responsible for. Plus the snake
Speaker 11: charmer who likes adjectives and adverbs much better than nouns.
Speaker 2: I suspect that front page in the Australian today that
Speaker 2: it looks like unions for other social sectors are going
Speaker 2: to now start pushing for massive pay rises of fifteen percent. Taylor,
Speaker 2: what did you make of Bill Shotton's comments last night
Speaker 2: where he just listed all the areas that the government
Speaker 2: has pushed up spending in the past couple of years.
Speaker 9: I mean clearly when he was saying it, he thought
Speaker 9: they were things that would play well to the audience
Speaker 9: in the broader public. Look at all the things we've
Speaker 9: done to alleviate your cost of living doubles. But it's
Speaker 9: again a case of the federal government trying to have
Speaker 9: its cake and eat it too, because it understands that
Speaker 9: it will come in for criticism if it doesn't do
Speaker 9: so to provide a level of support to people who
Speaker 9: are struggling with the cost of living. But at the
Speaker 9: same time, it is that spending that entrenches the issues
Speaker 9: with cost of living because it entrenches the increases in inflation,
Speaker 9: or certainly the lack of a reduction in inflation, and
Speaker 9: the concept of having another model to deal with inflation
Speaker 9: apart from interstrates I think has great merit because it
Speaker 9: is a blunt instrument. And I have criticized the RBA
Speaker 9: heavily before, but we do have to recognize that the
Speaker 9: only thing the RBA has available to it is to
Speaker 9: increase or cut interest rates. That's the only thing it has,
Speaker 9: and if the government won't play ball, and they haven't
Speaker 9: been playing ball. And the RBA has been very clear
Speaker 9: that government spending has put pressure on inflation. Then the
Speaker 9: only thing they can do is increase interest rates. And
Speaker 9: if you look at who is spending, it's not anyone
Speaker 9: under the age of fifty five. Pretty much everyone statistically
Speaker 9: under the age of fifty five has reached use they're spending.
Speaker 9: People over the age of fifty five have increased their
Speaker 9: spending because if you've got money in the bank, exactly,
Speaker 9: the indust rates going up is good for you because
Speaker 9: you're making more money, which they then go and putting exactly.
Speaker 2: And so wanted to me today that the cruise industry,
Speaker 2: for example, is to the right exactly, so.
Speaker 9: That the poor mortgage holder and the renters who are
Speaker 9: living in the mortgage homes down here are suffering while
Speaker 9: everyone else is doing okay and has money in the
Speaker 9: bank is actually making more money than they did before.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a lose lose from the perspective of
Speaker 9: trying to reduce inflation continuing to increase interest rates, because
Speaker 9: it doesn't work well.
Speaker 2: When I first heard the idea about adjusting the superannuation guarantee,
Speaker 2: I thought it seemed radical, but perhaps, as you just outline,
Speaker 2: it is unfair and the current system does eventually have
Speaker 2: to change because three point three million people to be
Speaker 2: under such financial pressure with families, it's not shouldering the burden,
Speaker 2: and especially when the Albaneze government insists on mass of
Speaker 2: pay rises a fifteen percent at this time, and if
Speaker 2: they want to get inflation down faster, they can just stop.
Speaker 9: I think from the consumption perspective, the GST idea makes
Speaker 9: sense as well, because of course, if you're spending the
Speaker 9: extra money you've made from interest rates going up, it
Speaker 9: may will be on things that you have.
Speaker 11: You can talk about the GST till the cows come home.
Speaker 11: It's not going to change. It's in trench locked in
Speaker 11: because all the states haveft aug greet and it's never
Speaker 11: going to happen, So it's not worth talking about.
Speaker 1: Other ideas are super guarantee.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that one?
Speaker 11: Well, I'd like to think about that. It looked a
Speaker 11: little bit too tricky for me. I about it, and
Speaker 11: I just want to see I just remember Simon Crean's
Speaker 11: father saying when he was part of the Widam government,
Speaker 11: when the insanity that is going on now looks remarkably
Speaker 11: like it was then, and his father said, one man's
Speaker 11: pay increase is another man's job. And that's the situation
Speaker 11: we're getting to, not in the public sector, but in
Speaker 11: the sector. It's small family businesses that are going broke.
Speaker 11: And what we're seeing is is that the middle class
Speaker 11: is now.
Speaker 1: Public sector, public aligned.
Speaker 11: It's not the small business people, the entrepreneurs who were
Speaker 11: the backbone of this country, but their percentage of wealth
Speaker 11: of GDP, if you want to express it in those terms,
Speaker 11: has dropped.
Speaker 1: And what we're seeing, I don't know.
Speaker 11: Perhaps it's deliberate by the government, but they are deliberately
Speaker 11: trying to wipe out the small business sector.
Speaker 9: Hope.
Speaker 2: Let's hope not Let's have a look now at Ygun
Speaker 2: because her antics have now been ridiculed on the international stage.
Speaker 2: We even saw her mocked on Jimmy Fallon.
Speaker 1: Have a look. You have to wonder where Raygun is
Speaker 1: right now? What's that music coming from.
Speaker 6: How are you feeling since your performance?
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, no, no, Ill, we don't know me
Speaker 5: what many bands with you? How can you do that?
Speaker 12: I have to ask you because because it's it's all
Speaker 12: that me and my friends have been talking about last night,
Speaker 12: after the show and today, and I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I think it's taken out.
Speaker 13: I think it's the best thing that's happened in the
Speaker 13: Olympics the entire time.
Speaker 12: Did anyone see the break dancing Lady.
Speaker 2: Brom And it's such a pity that instead of the
Speaker 2: Australian team being known for our amazing metal tally, this
Speaker 2: is what we've become known for this embarrassment.
Speaker 11: Well, I think they know we did very well in
Speaker 11: the medal tarrying, and that we won many metals that
Speaker 11: they might have liked to have won as well. But
Speaker 11: honestly and truly, I think we're all profoundly believed that
Speaker 11: it will no longer be in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: It's gone. So it's yesterday's story.
Speaker 9: What do you think, Kayla, Well, that may well be
Speaker 9: the silver lining is that she has proven how preposterous
Speaker 9: the whole idea of breakdancing being a part of the
Speaker 9: Olympics was. Because if you look into how she actually
Speaker 9: ended up at the Olympics, the World Sport Dance Federation,
Speaker 9: whateverything called they wanted ballroom dancing, the IOC wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 9: Because they said it was two old fashions, so they
Speaker 9: put up break dancing, and there's no global breakdancing body anywhere,
Speaker 9: so they had to come up with an idea for
Speaker 9: how they would actually get people to qualify, and it
Speaker 9: eventually came down to a body that was put together
Speaker 9: in Australia, which was a small group of people who
Speaker 9: run some sort of breakdancing competition. It's got about fifteen
Speaker 9: participants in it, of which Raygun was one. So the
Speaker 9: number of people who actually knew they could even qualify
Speaker 9: to go to break dancing in the Olympics for Australia
Speaker 9: was so small. That's how we ended up with this
Speaker 9: ray Gun woman. And I'm not convinced that the whole
Speaker 9: thing is not a bit part of ire with the
Speaker 9: other night off.
Speaker 2: The just for the subject of one of her papers exactly.
Speaker 9: She is going to turn this into some sort of
Speaker 9: academic pursuit. Now, the reaction to it, the fact.
Speaker 2: That about university course. I know why universities.
Speaker 9: It's it's too good to be true, it's actually too
Speaker 9: bad to be true, and we're going to pay for
Speaker 9: it through the public system. So you can write the paper,
Speaker 9: no doubt, But I reckon.
Speaker 11: That she's already written the paper, hasn't she She's rather
Speaker 11: so then.
Speaker 2: We're going to have a look at some of those
Speaker 2: papers a bit later on the show. But my biggest
Speaker 2: issue is that she stole the thunder of all of
Speaker 2: those amazing athletes that deserve to be celebrated. Now, last
Speaker 2: topic before we go, Ban Fordham exposed this morning Bill
Speaker 2: Shorten yet again featuring on the show tonight, for spending
Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars tax pay dollars on what Fordham described
Speaker 2: as a ritzy event for bureaucrats.
Speaker 13: Have a listened now on the issue of spending money.
Speaker 13: You would think that Bill Shorten would be really careful
Speaker 13: at the moment as the Minister for the National Disability
Speaker 13: Insurance Scheme, which is in all sorts of financial trouble.
Speaker 13: But Bill has spent forty thousand dollars of taxpayers money
Speaker 13: on a ritzy event for bureaucrats. The forty grand was
Speaker 13: spent on a senior executive service leadership forum at Canberra's
Speaker 13: five star high At Hotel. This was in April.
Speaker 12: Rumman.
Speaker 2: On top of the six hundred thousand dollars this speech,
Speaker 2: this isn't a good look for Porod Shotten Well.
Speaker 11: Parol Shorten, of course, is the man who is that
Speaker 11: comes out really on a regular basis and says he's
Speaker 11: going to solve the problem of the exploding costs of
Speaker 11: the d NDIS. He talks a lot and delivers nothing.
Speaker 11: But this was another talka on money doesn't mean anything
Speaker 11: to him. It just doesn't mean anything. He set up
Speaker 11: the NDIS. Now he's got forty thousand dollars expenditure trying
Speaker 11: to talk to the people who are running it, say what,
Speaker 11: we've got to reduce expenditure.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a joke, and so.
Speaker 11: Is Bill Shorten, but he does desperately want to be
Speaker 11: Brandt Minister.
Speaker 1: He does indeed.
Speaker 2: All right, Roman Bishop Caleb bon calibacy at ten o'clock,
Speaker 2: of course, thank you both so much. All right, now
Speaker 2: to our exclusive tonight, I can reveal the coalition is
Speaker 2: demanding that the Albanezy government followed Germany's example and deport
Speaker 2: her Mus supporters from the country. This comes after Asiobus
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess admitted that Palestinians who expressed rhetorical support for
Speaker 2: her Mus wouldn't be blocked from coming to our country.
Speaker 2: He also said that not all visas had gone to
Speaker 2: ASIO for security checks. This is an unforgivable national security
Speaker 2: failure that's put Australians at risk. Well, I spoke with
Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson just a little while ago.
Speaker 2: How Many is introducing legislation to debat HAMAS supporters. Do
Speaker 2: you think Australia should be doing the same.
Speaker 4: Well, we should absolutely be deporting anyone we can identify
Speaker 4: as supporting a terrorist organization Shari. But the good news
Speaker 4: is we don't need legislation to do it. We've already
Speaker 4: got that legislation. It's been passed by previous parliaments. It
Speaker 4: includes the character test in the Migration Act that says
Speaker 4: that people who are a threat to our community can
Speaker 4: have their visas revoked by the Minister for Home Affairs.
Speaker 4: And that's an important test for Tony Burke. Will he
Speaker 4: step up? Will he act? Will he cancel the visas
Speaker 4: of Hamas supporters as well as stopping any new ones
Speaker 4: from coming to our country?
Speaker 9: And it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Seem like that's happening at the moment, does it. I
Speaker 2: mean the comments we heard from the AZIO Director General
Speaker 2: Mike Burgis on the weekend seem to be that the government's.
Speaker 1: Policy is that it might be fine.
Speaker 2: For some Hamas supporters to come to Australia on these
Speaker 2: temporary visas.
Speaker 4: I'm deeply concerned Shari by the of the government to
Speaker 4: clarify in the last couple of days whether or not
Speaker 4: they are willing to bring Hamas supporters into Australia if
Speaker 4: they are only rhetorical or political supporters of Hamas. This
Speaker 4: is a question of government policy. This is a question
Speaker 4: of migration policy. Tony Burke is responsible for that. If
Speaker 4: he disagrees that Hamas supporters should not be able to
Speaker 4: be brought into our country, he should say so. If
Speaker 4: he agrees that we should stop the mass supporters coming
Speaker 4: into our country, he should tell the public what he's
Speaker 4: doing to make sure that happens. But from so far
Speaker 4: we've had nothing but silence from the Minister of Home
Speaker 4: Affairs and it's not good enough.
Speaker 2: Now you and Julian Lisa and other politicians have actually
Speaker 2: organized a petition to go to Tony Burke on this
Speaker 2: very topic. Can you tell us what you're calling for?
Speaker 4: Look, this is a great initiative by my colleague Julian Lisa,
Speaker 4: and in just the first twenty four hours. More than
Speaker 4: seventy politicians have signed this letter to the Minister of
Speaker 4: Home Affairs asking him to be upfront and be straight
Speaker 4: with the Australian people. Is it this government's policy that
Speaker 4: political supporters of hamas are welcome in this country? And
Speaker 4: if so why? And secondly, what is he going to
Speaker 4: do about existing supporters of hamas and the community who
Speaker 4: are here on visas? Will he cancel those visas and
Speaker 4: will he send them home as the German government has
Speaker 4: promised to do.
Speaker 2: We big political news today that there's a Muslim candidate
Speaker 2: running against Tony Burke in his seat of Watson. Do
Speaker 2: you think his position is now under threat? And do
Speaker 2: you think his personal fight to hold onto his own
Speaker 2: seat is influencing Australia's foreign policy and national security.
Speaker 4: Look, this appears to be a very serious independent challenge
Speaker 4: against Tony Burke. It's something that's been organized well in
Speaker 4: advance of the next election, with a candidate whose credentials
Speaker 4: seem on paper to be impressive, and I think it
Speaker 4: will be a very serious political threat to Tony Burke.
Speaker 4: The problem is that Tony Burke is now going to
Speaker 4: be forced to choose between his political interest and the
Speaker 4: national interest. If he wants to appease communities in his seat,
Speaker 4: he might make one decision. If he wants to protect Australians,
Speaker 4: he might make a different decision. And frankly, the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister has placed him in an in enviable position. No
Speaker 4: minister should be placed in a position where they have
Speaker 4: to choose between their political interests and the national interest. Frankly,
Speaker 4: I don't have confident that Tony Burke would make the
Speaker 4: right decisions in those circumstances. So it was a bizarre
Speaker 4: decision by the Prime Minister to appoint him to this portfolio.
Speaker 4: And it's up to the Prime Minister to reassure the
Speaker 4: Australian people that the political interests of Tony Burk won't
Speaker 4: I ride the national interest.
Speaker 2: Already, it seems to me that the national interest, that
Speaker 2: national security, has been put at risk by the lack
Speaker 2: of concern about flying in her Musk supporters to Australia.
Speaker 2: You know, it just beggars belief, It truly does.
Speaker 1: Look we just at the.
Speaker 2: Start of or just before my show, we heard Fatima
Speaker 2: Payman speak in the sky News mini documentary about having
Speaker 2: a wholesome country, about not having any division here. Yet
Speaker 2: just today she supported the Greens in the Senate. They
Speaker 2: moved a motion to sanction Israel, no mention of the hostages,
Speaker 2: no mention of Hamas or condemning hermas. Do you think
Speaker 2: we have seen from her moves to heal division in
Speaker 2: this country or is she doing the precise opposite.
Speaker 4: Well, they find sentiments, but I don't think Senator Payment
Speaker 4: all the Greens have lipped up to those sentiments. In fact,
Speaker 4: since the seventh October, both of them have sought every
Speaker 4: opportunity to weaponize this conflict for political purposes. Nothing is
Speaker 4: gained by this endless moving of motions in the Senate
Speaker 4: except elevating the political interests of Senator Payment and the Greens.
Speaker 4: They know before they move these motions that there's no
Speaker 4: prospect of them passing. If they wanted to pass the motions,
Speaker 4: they would word them very differently. They would include condemnations
Speaker 4: of hostage taking, they would include condemnations of Hamas. But
Speaker 4: they don't do that because this is about politics, not
Speaker 4: about bringing our country together. So I think we should
Speaker 4: look at those words from Senator Payment and others in
Speaker 4: that documentary as hollow words, as insincere words, and I
Speaker 4: think she should reflect if she really wants to deliver
Speaker 4: those outcomes in Australia, a different approach is necessary.
Speaker 2: Look, we've heard the head of AZIO say on multiple
Speaker 2: occasions now that politicians need to be careful about their
Speaker 2: language so that he's effectively saying so that it doesn't
Speaker 2: incite violence or make the situation worse. Already, the terror
Speaker 2: threat level has risen to probable, meaning there's more than
Speaker 2: a fifty percent chance of a terror attack the next
Speaker 2: twelve months. Do you think the Greens here really need
Speaker 2: to listen to the ASIO Director general's words because they
Speaker 2: are continually and wrongly accusing Israel of genocide, of deliberately
Speaker 2: targeting civilians, and that makes people angry when it couldn't
Speaker 2: be further from the truth.
Speaker 4: I'm deeply concerned about this, Shari. I think it is
Speaker 4: a very significant risking we've seen the increase in the
Speaker 4: terrorism threat level in this country, that people could be
Speaker 4: incited into committing an act of violence in our country
Speaker 4: in response to inflamed tensions abroad and all of this.
Speaker 4: As political leaders have an obligation to turn down the
Speaker 4: temperature and not turn it up. I think the Greens
Speaker 4: have been easily the worst since the start of this
Speaker 4: conflict were they've sought political advantage out of this with
Speaker 4: that amped up conflict rather than turned it down with
Speaker 4: it made basis claims, for example, about Australia's supplying weapons
Speaker 4: to Israel in this conflict, something that is not factual,
Speaker 4: And the only reason why you would do that is
Speaker 4: if you want to roll people up to get take
Speaker 4: political advantage out of it. That's irresponsible, that is dangerous
Speaker 4: and I fear it'll end very badly.
Speaker 2: Do you think maybe the Boss of Asia needs to
Speaker 2: provide a specific security briefing to the Greens, given we
Speaker 2: are seeing aggression outside the officers of politicians that is dangerous.
Speaker 4: In my experienced, security briefings like that are always on
Speaker 4: offer and always available for those who want to take
Speaker 4: it up. Whether the Greens would be willing to take
Speaker 4: up a briefing like that, let alone take out the
Speaker 4: lessons from that briefing is another question.
Speaker 2: All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time as always,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Arry, And coming up after the break,
Speaker 2: how Elon Musk is turning the NBN satellite business into
Speaker 2: a white elephant plus the worst of Raygun's academic papers revealed,
Speaker 2: and they're even more cringeworthy than her break dancing. All
Speaker 2: of that coming up, Welcome back, well. Elon Musk is
Speaker 2: turning the NBN satellite business into a white elephant. Mask's
Speaker 2: satellite service, Starlink, is providing better Internet service to those
Speaker 2: in the bush. As many of you watching will know,
Speaker 2: starlink speed is much faster and it's more reliable than
Speaker 2: the NBN satellite business. Starlink now has two hundred thousand
Speaker 2: customers according to figures quoted by The A Trible c
Speaker 2: And in NBN's latest report, it showed that their satellite
Speaker 2: customers had crashed by twenty three percent and they were
Speaker 2: down to just eighty six thousand customers. It seems they
Speaker 2: were so embarrassed by being beaten by the take billionaire
Speaker 2: that they've decided to kill off any notion of transparency.
Speaker 2: The NBN has stopped its decade long practice of publishing
Speaker 2: weekly data on their customers. To discuss this, let's bringing
Speaker 2: now Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman. David, great to see you.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 2: What do you make of this new lack of transparency
Speaker 2: from the NBN?
Speaker 14: Oh to disgrace Sharhi. So the NBN is getting smashed
Speaker 14: by Elon Musk. It's creating embarrassing headlines for the NBN
Speaker 14: and for the government. You led some of the early
Speaker 14: reporting on that, and that's been followed up by media
Speaker 14: outlets right across the board. Its satellite business is collapsing.
Speaker 14: It's also lost about eighty thousand customers from traditional homes,
Speaker 14: what they call the brownfields business. And so what the
Speaker 14: NBN has now done is stop publishing a report that
Speaker 14: has existed for a decade. And this from a government
Speaker 14: that was supposedly all about transparency and integrity. It is
Speaker 14: a disgrace and that report has to be reinstated.
Speaker 2: Why do you think it is that Elon Musk's starlink
Speaker 2: is able to provide much better service than the NBN.
Speaker 14: Well, loo, he innovated technically. I mean, he has a
Speaker 14: track record of doing that across many industries and he's
Speaker 14: certainly done that with satellite and related space exploration, no question.
Speaker 14: You know, the government's response, Michelle Rowland's response was to
Speaker 14: organize a round table of academics. So you know Elon
Speaker 14: Musk entrepreneur on one side, government round table of academics
Speaker 14: on the other who's going to win and Elon Musk
Speaker 14: is winning. But the issue I think for the public, Shari,
Speaker 14: is that we deserve to know what is going on
Speaker 14: in the NBN. It's completely unacceptable for this information to
Speaker 14: be hidden. This has been around for a decade and
Speaker 14: they've got to reinstate this and there's further steps we
Speaker 14: can take if they don't.
Speaker 2: Look, we have to ask how much the NBN satellite
Speaker 2: services continuing to cost taxpayers, given that it's been so
Speaker 2: quickly outshine by Elon Musk's new technology. I mean, what
Speaker 2: is the cost of this so far to taxpayers?
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's huge, Sharion. The overall cost to the NBN
Speaker 14: of taxpayers is increasing. So in the last six months
Speaker 14: that they reported on the NBN's cash loss effectively was
Speaker 14: one point one billion dollars, which was up by more
Speaker 14: than four hundred million on the previous period. They're losing
Speaker 14: customers because their prices are going up. So satellite broadband
Speaker 14: prices are up about fourteen percent since October alone, So
Speaker 14: losing customers, losing money, and now not even giving us
Speaker 14: the information that we all deserve.
Speaker 2: Look, he's far from perfect, Elon Musk and Labor in
Speaker 2: particular like to paint him as a villain, but you know,
Speaker 2: to say he's fixing the problem of internet outages in
Speaker 2: the bush which successive governments haven't been able to do.
Speaker 2: And we've spoken before about how important it is in
Speaker 2: times of bushfires or floods or other emergencies. You really
Speaker 2: do need connectivity just quickly before you go. The Albaneze
Speaker 2: government looks like it is going to reject cause for
Speaker 2: a blanket ban on gambling advertising.
Speaker 1: Instead, Labors pushing.
Speaker 2: Forward with a partial band so it'll be during children's
Speaker 2: shows and live spots broadcasts. David, do you support do
Speaker 2: you think there should be a ban on gambling advertising?
Speaker 14: Well, look, Sherry were back in May last year, Peter
Speaker 14: Dutton announced in his Budget reply speech that we would
Speaker 14: ban gambling advertising during live sport one hour before one
Speaker 14: hour after. We think that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 14: Very concerned about the impact of those ads on, especially
Speaker 14: on kids and family viewing. I mean in terms of
Speaker 14: what the government's doing, I mean, who knows, mean, it's
Speaker 14: been going on for so long, we don't have anything
Speaker 14: to respond to. Once we do, we'll review it, but
Speaker 14: we certainly want to see the that ban on live
Speaker 14: sport advertising and we'll see what the government comes up
Speaker 14: with and then respond in due courts.
Speaker 2: All right, David Coleman, thank you very much.
Speaker 15: Great to see you.
Speaker 1: Now still to come.
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott calls out alban Easy's snub of Woodside, apparently
Speaker 2: supporting a successful Australian business isn't in line with his
Speaker 2: green crusade. Plus videos of children break dancing better than
Speaker 2: Raygun and we'll look at the only thing worse than
Speaker 2: her Olympic performance, the worst of her woke academic papers
Speaker 2: that is coming up after this quick break. Welcome back. Well,
Speaker 2: let's bring in tonight's political panel, Sky News contributor Gary
Speaker 2: Hargrave and abral MP Zoey Mackenzie. Great to see you both,
Speaker 2: Gary and Brisbane, Zoe and Canberra. Well, let's start with
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott. He's accused Anthony Alberizi and his ministers of
Speaker 2: snubbing Woodside seventieth anniversary party over the weekend. He says
Speaker 2: that not even Rezos's minister, Madeline King, a West Australian,
Speaker 2: attended the celebrations for the gas producer because she was
Speaker 2: on leave. Tony Abbott said that Gas is our second
Speaker 2: largest export earner and the only way to ensure that
Speaker 2: the transition to renewable energy doesn't put the lights out
Speaker 2: yet because it's an evil fossil fuel. And he says,
Speaker 2: yet not a single labor MP could attend this milestone, Zoe,
Speaker 2: what do you think? Is this a pretty rude snub?
Speaker 15: It's extraordinary, right, So you have an entire slate of
Speaker 15: liberal coalition MP's former prime ministers. They're celebrating this great
Speaker 15: Australian company, this great export, and no one wants to
Speaker 15: turn up because theoretically it's a fossil fuel. I went
Speaker 15: to COP twenty seven, the one that was held in
Speaker 15: Egypt a couple of years ago, and I met with
Speaker 15: parliamentarians across the political spectrum and across the planet, and
Speaker 15: every single one said to me, oh, climate change and energy,
Speaker 15: it's been conflicted in Australia, hasn't I said, well, to
Speaker 15: some extent, yes, but what's your solution, what's your baseload solution?
Speaker 15: What keeps the lights on in your country? And to
Speaker 15: a man and a woman, it was nuclear number one
Speaker 15: and gas number two. And so there's not a fraud conversation.
Speaker 15: People just get on with keeping the lights on elsewhere
Speaker 15: in my own electric in Flinders, do you know how
Speaker 15: we're powered over summer eight diesel generators. We need to
Speaker 15: be honest about the energy sources we have now and
Speaker 15: what we're going to need to power Australian industry in
Speaker 15: the Australian economy in the future.
Speaker 1: Guess has to be part of that.
Speaker 15: There's no reason to treat Woodside like it's a leprosy colony.
Speaker 2: But Garyot's not only that, As Tony Abbott says, Woodside
Speaker 2: has paid more than forty billion dollars in federal royalties alone.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a lot to be grateful for when
Speaker 2: it comes to the budget and the economy.
Speaker 16: Yeah, plus the great ambassadors for Australia and update economies
Speaker 16: that need our gas. You know, nobody from the Federal
Speaker 16: Labor Party went along to dealers and biggers. That's the
Speaker 16: big gathering of all people in all of the resources.
Speaker 16: So it's not just simply those who are involved in
Speaker 16: carbon industries, it's all of the resources industry. I mean,
Speaker 16: I thought Madeline King was a courageous appointment. She's the
Speaker 16: Minister for Northern Australia and she's in Southwest Western Australia.
Speaker 1: This mob are completely out of touched.
Speaker 16: It's all about the factions, and it's all about trying
Speaker 16: to appease those lefty greenee elements who want to kill
Speaker 16: off carbon. And I'm from Queensland, and just a few
Speaker 16: hundred kilometers north and northwest of where I am right
Speaker 16: now is the world's greatest supply of that beautiful black
Speaker 16: stuff coal, the first four letters of the word coalition.
Speaker 16: And I'm going to tell you we've got to keep
Speaker 16: using that coal to keep the power on because Victoria
Speaker 16: is going to need a lot more diesel generators based
Speaker 16: on everything I've seen about its future electricity needs. We
Speaker 16: just need to produce more and more electricity at cheaper
Speaker 16: and cheaper prices like we used to do about forty
Speaker 16: years ago when we were growing our economy. This mob
Speaker 16: got no idea, no idea.
Speaker 1: It all all right.
Speaker 2: Let's return to Raygun because in the wake of her
Speaker 2: viral performance, there are countless videos and now being posted
Speaker 2: online of children dancing better than our olympian Have a look.
Speaker 17: Musca, How good are they?
Speaker 2: But the only thing worse than Rachel Gun's break dancing
Speaker 2: are her woke academic papers. Have a look at Sky
Speaker 2: News Digital editor Jack Hadden speaking about this.
Speaker 10: You've got a person who has forged this very niche
Speaker 10: career in breaking in breakdancing, and she's trying to high
Speaker 10: it to colonial structures. Everything's about racialized theory, everything's americanized,
Speaker 10: the spellings americanized because they need to try and publish
Speaker 10: in these americanized journals, and so everything has to be
Speaker 10: about critical race theory. And she somehow managed to tie
Speaker 10: breakdancing to colonial structures, to being institutionalized, to racism.
Speaker 2: All right, And I'm actually going to read you guys
Speaker 2: a quote from one of her papers, and I mean
Speaker 2: it's almost unintelligible. She says that we argue that breakings
Speaker 2: institutionalization via the Olympics will place breaking more firmly within
Speaker 2: this sporting nations hegemonic settler colonial structures that rely upon
Speaker 2: racialized and gendered hierarchies. I actually don't know what the
Speaker 2: hell she's talking about.
Speaker 1: How breakdancing can do any of that, Zoe, what do
Speaker 1: you think? Honestly?
Speaker 15: Look, break dancing was always the rogue sport in the
Speaker 15: Paris Olympics. I remember eight years ago, whenever it was
Speaker 15: that Paris was selected. I said to my kids, this
Speaker 15: is it. Kids, learn breakdancing. It's going to be the
Speaker 15: one where no one's got the gold medals. Go out
Speaker 15: and learn how to do it. And if they'd taken
Speaker 15: me seriously, I'll tell you what, there'd be a gold
Speaker 15: medal in my home today. So, look, I haven't really
Speaker 15: followed the breakdancing saga. I have to admit it's not
Speaker 15: my preferred sport. I'm more of a rower myself, and
Speaker 15: so I haven't really followed it. But look it was rogue.
Speaker 15: I'm not sure it'll be back next time given.
Speaker 1: The success or. Like they're off this.
Speaker 15: I'm not just for us, but everyone. This might be
Speaker 15: the first and last time we see breakdancing. But I say, girl,
Speaker 15: Aussie's whatever the sport is. They got up tonight and
Speaker 15: celebrated for local olympias, my electorate who all did great.
Speaker 2: Well, good on them, Good on them.
Speaker 17: Gary.
Speaker 2: I think ray Gun is going to be the Halloween
Speaker 2: costume of twenty twenty four. What do you racket And
Speaker 2: what do you think of those academic papers?
Speaker 16: Yeah, the papers frightened me more than anything else. I
Speaker 16: actually think she's done cultural appropriation. I think she's actually
Speaker 16: decided to send the whole thing up, and somebody within
Speaker 16: the Australian Olympic Committee allowed it.
Speaker 1: Agun of course, now.
Speaker 16: They're so embarrassed by the whole thing they're arguing how
Speaker 16: great she is. Look, I'm more on the I love
Speaker 16: Arissa true page, the fourteen year old fourteen in eighty
Speaker 16: six days, that girl from the Gold Coast won a
Speaker 16: gold medal. She better get her Order of Australia because
Speaker 16: otherwise if she doesn't, it'll be ages. They're all meant
Speaker 16: to get Orders of Australia. I think all of the
Speaker 16: great Olympians have competed against a lot of other great
Speaker 16: Australians to get there, and they've done us proud. Ray
Speaker 16: Gun was courageous, a courageous choice in Australia's name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, indeed all right do Zoe Mackenzie, Gary Hargrave,
Speaker 2: Thank you both so much for joining me. Now, up
Speaker 2: next is the UK Prime Minister turning into Big Brother,
Speaker 2: how free speech is coming under serious attack and the
Speaker 2: latest on the violent riots will cross live to Tom Slater
Speaker 2: in London right after the break Welcome back Well. Today,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk had a two hour interview with Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and more a conversation than an interview on his platform X.
Speaker 2: In that conversation, Donald Trump vowed to build a missile
Speaker 2: defense shield similar to the Iron Dome over the United States.
Speaker 1: Have a listen.
Speaker 7: One of the things we're going to do is we're
Speaker 7: going to build an iron dome over US.
Speaker 1: You know, Israel has it. We're going to have the
Speaker 1: best iron dome in the world. We need it, and
Speaker 1: we're going to make it all in the United States.
Speaker 2: Well, for more insight on this discussion, that's cross Live
Speaker 2: to the UK, where Spiked online editor Tom Slater joins me. Now, Tom,
Speaker 2: good to see you again. Look what did you make
Speaker 2: of this conversation that went on and on and on
Speaker 2: between Elon Musk and Donald Trump?
Speaker 12: And it's very much kind of election campaigns in the
Speaker 12: twenty first century, wasn't it? This long, yawning conversation between
Speaker 12: Donald Trump, the prospective Republican president, and also Elon Musker
Speaker 12: has recently backed him quite famously. I mean, it was
Speaker 12: classic Trump. Plenty of braggadoco, plenty of bobbastic statements. I
Speaker 12: typically like the bit where he said he told once
Speaker 12: told Ladimir Putin what he would do if Russia invaded
Speaker 12: Ukraine and Putin said no way, and he said way.
Speaker 12: It was you know, it was a wonder of what
Speaker 12: fantastic entertainment value, if nothing else, that Donald Trump brings
Speaker 12: all of this. And I think the fact that Elion
Speaker 12: Musk was doing this was very significant. Is someone who,
Speaker 12: despite being quite an eccentric and colorful character, was a
Speaker 12: kind of moderate Democrat not that long ago. And I
Speaker 12: think it's telling how far the Democrats have moved away
Speaker 12: from a lot of moderate positions on a lot of
Speaker 12: issues that someone like him, for all his eccentricities, is
Speaker 12: backing Trump so emphatically.
Speaker 2: Now, well, you wonder how much would be a business
Speaker 2: decision of courtus because Donald Trump does have a lot
Speaker 2: of supporters. But I thought it was extraordinary and I'll
Speaker 2: probably play this clip on the show tomorrow night that
Speaker 2: there was a Washington Post reporter at the White House
Speaker 2: who actually asked the White House Press Secretary, in effect,
Speaker 2: if she could shut down the conversation before it happened
Speaker 2: because it might have misinformation in it. I mean, the idea,
Speaker 2: this censorship of free speech, and tom that's what I
Speaker 2: want to speak to you about because in the UK
Speaker 2: Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has criticized Keir Starmer on
Speaker 2: free speech. He's saying that he's going too far in
Speaker 2: his response to the riots, and then it is suppressing
Speaker 2: free speech.
Speaker 18: Have a look what we are allowed to do on
Speaker 18: social media, or should be allowed to do, is to speculate,
Speaker 18: is to ask questions, is to trump put facts out.
Speaker 18: Trump put facts out that wake up the rest of
Speaker 18: the community. Starmer by cracking down on that poses I
Speaker 18: think the biggest threat to free speech we've seen in
Speaker 18: art history.
Speaker 2: Tom that is a big accusation. But the Crown Prosecution
Speaker 2: Servers has tweeted that people should think before they post.
Speaker 2: So you know, how serious is this threat?
Speaker 12: I think it's very serious. Think that Kirstarmer is a
Speaker 12: classic figure of the British establishment. He seems to blame
Speaker 12: free speech and social media for absolutely everything that goes
Speaker 12: wrong in society. The people who rule over us think
Speaker 12: that censorship is the only thing between civilization and barbaras.
Speaker 12: We've seen that in the response. We've seen, as you say,
Speaker 12: government Twitter accounts saying think before you post. We've had
Speaker 12: the Chief Prosecutor going on the air to say that
Speaker 12: not only our official scouring the internet, but even retweets
Speaker 12: of potentially hateful or inciting material could potentially land you
Speaker 12: in one of those fetching gray prison tracksuits that we have.
Speaker 12: And the one thing I would say is that this
Speaker 12: is not about Kirstarmer introducing any kind of new laws.
Speaker 12: He's putting a bit of pressure on the authorities and
Speaker 12: what not to speed up prosecutions. But this has been
Speaker 12: an unpleasant sort of normal state of affairs for the
Speaker 12: UK for quite some time now. Back in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 12: The Times the newspaper found that nine people a day
Speaker 12: were being arrested for things that they said online. And
Speaker 12: I think it's a reminder that however odious, hateful, racist,
Speaker 12: some of the speech that we might encounter on the internet.
Speaker 12: In asking the States all the social media companies to
Speaker 12: act as a kind of ministry of truth or as
Speaker 12: an official censor, will corrode everyone's free speech and the
Speaker 12: name of just targeting that kind of bigoted few if
Speaker 12: you want, And.
Speaker 2: That is precisely what's also happening in Australia as well,
Speaker 2: and it is scary. Look, let's have a quick look
Speaker 2: at the riots before we go. There was horror in
Speaker 2: central London yesterday, an eleven year old girl and her
Speaker 2: mother stabbed. Keir Starmer has had to cancel his summer
Speaker 2: holiday plans to deal with these riots.
Speaker 1: What do we know?
Speaker 2: You know, what happened with this incident with the mother
Speaker 2: and the girl and do we expect the riots to continue?
Speaker 12: So information about this particular incident is pretty scant on
Speaker 12: the ground at the moment. There's also very little we
Speaker 12: could say because of the fact that charges have been
Speaker 12: brought and so on. What we do know from the
Speaker 12: police they don't believe it to be terror related. I
Speaker 12: don't think they believe this person to be known to
Speaker 12: the family in question. And there's also been a lot
Speaker 12: of praise for a security on Leicester Square who intervened
Speaker 12: to stop the attack getting any worse than it was.
Speaker 12: So that's a kind of an early stage. How much
Speaker 12: that connects to our broader conversation, not entirely sure, but
Speaker 12: it seemed like across the country, at least for now,
Speaker 12: the riots of sort of debated, and we're now looking
Speaker 12: at getting into a discussion of how we got into
Speaker 12: this position in the first place.
Speaker 2: All right. Indeed, Tom Slater, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your time, and thanks everyone for your company. Tonight. I'll
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, here's
Speaker 2: Paul in the man Cave.