WEBVTT - Sharri | 13 August 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:07.480 Why on Sky News this is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.360 Well, no one is going to fall for Fatima Payments act. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.560 She's claiming there that there's no place in our society 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.520 for division when she is creating division. She voted in 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.640 the Senate today to sanction Israel for daring to respond 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.319 to the Hamas terror attacks. She claims there's no place 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.920 for hatred, yet she continues to utter a hateful and 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.280 anti Semitic phrase that calls for the destruction of the 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.920 Jewish homeland. She talks about being wholesome as a nation, 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.200 but what we've seen from so many pro Palestinian activists 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:46.840 is firebombing, anti semitism, of violence, and hate speech. None 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.519 of that is wholesome. Well, I'd like to know if 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.159 Fatima payment or anyone else on that program condemns the 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:59.280 violent attacks on politicians, offices, labor politicians. That's far from wholesome. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.760 Fatimah Payman and the Greens condemn Israel constantly, as we 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.800 just heard, but how often do they speak passionately about 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:13.400 the hostages, including babies and children, still held by terrorists 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.560 in Gaza. None of them would dare to admit that 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:21.280 Israel's war against himas would stop immediately if the terrorist 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:26.920 group simply surrendered and returned the hostages. Instead of having 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.880 a whole Muslim political movement putting pressure on Labor to 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.400 do more on Israel, why don't these Islamic leaders instead 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:39.320 pressure hermus directly to return hostages and stop their violent, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.880 barbaric regime. Let's only cause bloodshed and loss of life 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.760 for both Palestinians and Israelis. Now, I've got to say 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.960 I disagree with almost every word that was uttered in 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:57.840 that program, apart from three sensible voices James Patterson, David 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.880 Adler and Jamal Riffi. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:07.880 They have little understanding about the ramification of what they 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:12.440 are doing, not in southwestern Sydney, but across the nation. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.480 It's very divisive. In my opinion and in the opinion 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.320 of the majority of people that I consulted with. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.680 They've sought to weaponize a foreign conflict for domestic political 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.960 advantage irresponsibly. They've whipped up a lot of anger in 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.120 the community and directed it towards the electorate offices of 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.680 Labor MPs in a way that's deeply dangerous and unprincipled. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.400 And James Patterson will be on my show later tonight 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.440 we've seen anger at what's happening in Gaza. Well that 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.679 anger should be directed at Hermas, yet it's been directed 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:51.760 at Jewish Australians and labor politicians. We are all Australians first, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.760 and the biggest social problem that Australia faces right now 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.880 is lawlessness, violence, anti Semitism and aggression on our streets. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.640 Islamic extremism is the top terror threat. That's the problem 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:14.679 we face, not what's unfolding in Israel and Gaza. Now, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.640 let's have a look at the economy now, and we 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.480 are seeing what is quite an historic conflict between the 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.520 RBA and the Albenese government play out on a daily basis. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.680 The RBA seeks to take money out of the economy 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.600 through rate rises, while the government insists on injecting money 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.320 back into the economy through big spending. Albanesi's latest pay 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.440 rise of fifteen percent for childcare workers came just two 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.200 days after the RBA specifically said the government in spending 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.440 was keeping inflation high and that more rate rises may 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.200 be necessary. Well, we might have to pay even higher 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.120 interest rates just so the Prime Minister can have an 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.880 announceable so to speak, and positive pr a massive fifteen 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.760 percent pay rises for childcare workers could now be replicated 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:09.720 in other sectors, with more unions pushing hard for similar. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:10.560 Sized pay rises. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:15.480 As The Australian reported today, we're in an inflation crisis 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.080 and the Albanezer government is working against the RBA. It's 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.320 a potent political line of attack for the opposition. Today, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.200 yet again, Peter Dutton hounded the Prime Minister over his 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.480 broken promise on the cost of living. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.039 Before the election, the now Prime Minister promised to cut 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.600 electricity bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars, provide 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.080 cheaper mortgages and to ensure families will be better off 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.760 on the cost of living. Instead of reducing costs for 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.040 working families, US delivered twelve mortgage rate increases, a twenty 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.799 two percent increase in electricity prices, and food and groceries 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.760 have jumped by over eleven percent. Why does this tricky 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.320 prime minister repeatedly promise one thing and do another. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.200 After three filed budgets, labor has added over three hundred 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.760 and fifteen billion dollars is spending. That's over thirty thousand 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.480 dollars per household. This prime minister promised to reduce the 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.080 cost of living, but the RBA says his decisions are 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.920 pushing up the cost of living. Why does this tricky 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.599 Prime minister repeatedly promise one thing and then do another. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.919 Well, given the RBA statements are in black and white. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.000 The government spending and it's both state and federal government 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.320 spending is keeping inflation high, there's really not much room 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.080 for Albinezi to move. So he paints Peter Dutton as 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.080 heartless for refusing to commit to the fifteen percent pay rise, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.960 when really it's the PM who's heartless because his spending 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.320 is keeping inflation higher for longer and risking even more 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:52.800 rate rises. Albinze's predecessor as labor leader, Bill Shotten, may 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.280 have made things worse for the government. On Q and 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.320 A last night shoton eloquently highlighted all the areas where 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:04.479 labor was contributing to inflation. You also helpfully added that 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.359 some of it is home grown. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.520 Have a look, it is. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.760 Not all the governments fault about inflation the things they're criticizing. Yes, 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.480 we have increased the age pension by one hundred and 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.320 twenty bucks a fortnite in the last two years. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:17.520 Yes we have increased the. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.520 Disability Support pension by about one hundred and twenty bucks 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.359 over the last two years. Yes, we are going to 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.480 pay early childhood educators a pay rise. Yes we have 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.919 supported wage rises for millions of people. Yes we have 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.960 supported two point eight million people under forty five thousand 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.120 dollars a year getting access to the tax cut which 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.200 was otherwise reserved for the top end. There is some 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.120 homegrown inflation. But I just think this argument that somehow 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.200 the government should just it's spending too much. What I 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.000 never hear from perhaps either the commentators or the LIB 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.600 policy is what are you going to cut? 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.560 Look, here's a very clever politician shot and so that 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.039 response is actually quite funny and shot and saying it's 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.240 not all the government's fault and inflation and yes, some 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.359 of it is homegrown. I mean, he's basically mounting the 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.679 coalition's argument for them. And by the way, Jane Hume 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.520 did have a list of ideas about well what the 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:10.480 government could cut. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.880 Have a look, what about two billion dollars on the 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.560 suburban rail loop in Victoria, a project that doesn't even 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.680 have a business case, that's stacked up. What about a 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.000 billion dollars to create solar SunShot solar panels that are 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.240 never going to be competitive. Half a billion on an 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.960 American company's an American company's quantum computing project. And if 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.160 you want to get right down to brass tax bill, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.440 how about six hundred and twenty thousand dollars on your 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.080 speech writer so that you can sound more empathetic or 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.960 the ice forpins Well. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.840 Six hundred and twenty thousand isn't nothing but voter anger 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.800 at the Prime Minister for working against the Central Bank 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.520 is now growing. Figures show that thirty five percent of 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:57.040 Australians have a mortgage. That's three point three million households 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.720 going through financial pain, just so ALB and Easy can 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.040 have some positive pr to try and win votes ahead 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:08.200 of the election. The RBA's blunt instrument of raising rates 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:13.480 does unfairly shoulder the burden of fighting inflation on mortgage holders. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.320 Those three point three million households, they're usually middle income 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.800 families working nine to five jobs, trying to raise kids. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.760 There are fairer ways of bringing down inflation that could 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.319 work even faster now. There are two cutting edge ideas 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.520 being discussed at the moment by the country's leading economists. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.320 One is to have a variable rate of GST. Whether 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:45.040 RBA or another independent authority could adjust the rate higher 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.120 or lower. This would reduce demand. It would affect all 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.840 Australians equally. But there's another option that economists say would 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.120 be an elegant solution to calling the economy and fast. 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:03.400 It's adjusting the of the superannuation guarantee. In times like 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.680 wherein now the RBA or again another independent body could 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.640 lift the super guarantee to say fifteen percent. It reduces 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:17.680 disposable income and thus spending. It's fairer than only having 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.800 mortgage holders fight inflation. And then in other times when 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.520 the economy is weaker and you need stimulation, the super 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.040 guarantee could be cut to say five percent, and everyone 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.760 takes home more money and is able to spend it, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.880 stimulating the economy. Unlike with rate rises where you never 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.760 see the extra money you're paying again, when you're paying 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.400 more super you do actually get to keep the money 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.400 for your retirement. The Sydney Morning Herald's economics editor Russ 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.160 Gittens wrote about these ideas Briefly. He said, I'm attracted 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.560 to the idea of temporary changes to the rate of 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:59.040 compulsory superannuation contributions. He said the reliance on interest rates 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.680 to reduce demand and is hugely unfair, but it's also 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.640 lacking in effectiveness. All of us have contributed to the 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.000 excessive demand for goods and services, but only the minority 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.720 of us with big mortgages have been pressed directly to 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.600 pull back our spending. And he argues there's a strong 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.800 case for reform in the macro economy and why should 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.800 average Australians shoulder the burden of fighting the cost of 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.320 living crisis while Albanese doesn't take the hint from the 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.920 RBA to cut spending. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:37.800 All right. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.840 Also coming up on the show My Exclusive tonight, the 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:45.600 Coalition is demanding that the Albanese government follow Germany's example 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.800 and deport her mus supporters. That exclusive story coming up. 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.360 Donald Trump wants an iron Dome for America. He made 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.440 the remarks in an interview with Elon Musk today that 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:02.160 the White House wanted to shut down and Raygun mocked 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.440 by Jimmy Fallon. While videos of kids doing better than 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.000 the Australian Olympian go viral, but the only thing worse 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.280 than Raygun's breakdancing are her academic papers. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:18.000 She's trying to tie it to colonial structures. Everything's about 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.280 racialized theory. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.840 All right, Lots to get through tonight, So let's get 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.920 straight into it with my panel, Former Speaker of the 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.840 House Bronwin Bishop Ansky, news host Caleb Bond, Welcome to 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.480 you both. Look, let's start with Peter Dutton's attack on 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.560 the Prime Minister over cost of living. Bron went absolutely 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.520 brutal remarks from the RBA that government spending is contributing 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.319 to the inflation crisis. It has fueled Peter Dutton's attacks 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.319 and really the Prime Minister can't argue with it. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:52.480 No, he can't, because the whole point is that monetary 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.640 and fiscal policy have to be in balance and they're not. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.320 You've got the RBA who has only one tool, and 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.800 that's the razy interestrates, and that not only affects mortgage holders, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.760 but it also affects renters because it's passed on through 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.800 the mortgage over a rental property. So in that context 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.600 that the Reserve Bank has put up its interst rates, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.480 but the government has not done its bit. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:17.480 I think. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.439 Robert got de Leeves and showed some very good comments 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:27.360 from Saul Eastleck saying that over the period from June 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:32.440 twenty twenty two to March twenty twenty four that the 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.840 state and federal expenditure on fixed capital and goods and 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:41.120 service rose eleven point nine percent, whereas private consumption rose 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.040 only three percent. And that says it all the government 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.800 and most of those through that period of time, most 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.520 of the state governments are also Labor are just spending now. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.760 I think I said right from the beginning when the 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.600 first of the twelve rating increases that labor has given 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.720 was that they are pushing wages up, they are pushing 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.839 costs up, and if you try to have one chase 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.000 the other, then it's disaster. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:09.280 And that's what you've got. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.079 People get more money in their pocket, but you can 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.160 buy less with it, and so your standard of living drops. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.319 And that's what Albinizi is responsible for. Plus the snake 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.079 charmer who likes adjectives and adverbs much better than nouns. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.760 I suspect that front page in the Australian today that 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.200 it looks like unions for other social sectors are going 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.480 to now start pushing for massive pay rises of fifteen percent. Taylor, 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.800 what did you make of Bill Shotton's comments last night 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.720 where he just listed all the areas that the government 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.199 has pushed up spending in the past couple of years. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.280 I mean clearly when he was saying it, he thought 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.280 they were things that would play well to the audience 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.120 in the broader public. Look at all the things we've 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.600 done to alleviate your cost of living doubles. But it's 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.040 again a case of the federal government trying to have 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.200 its cake and eat it too, because it understands that 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.760 it will come in for criticism if it doesn't do 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.600 so to provide a level of support to people who 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.560 are struggling with the cost of living. But at the 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.520 same time, it is that spending that entrenches the issues 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:13.319 with cost of living because it entrenches the increases in inflation, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.079 or certainly the lack of a reduction in inflation, and 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:22.200 the concept of having another model to deal with inflation 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.720 apart from interstrates I think has great merit because it 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.240 is a blunt instrument. And I have criticized the RBA 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.560 heavily before, but we do have to recognize that the 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.960 only thing the RBA has available to it is to 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.120 increase or cut interest rates. That's the only thing it has, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.480 and if the government won't play ball, and they haven't 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.920 been playing ball. And the RBA has been very clear 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.960 that government spending has put pressure on inflation. Then the 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.960 only thing they can do is increase interest rates. And 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.960 if you look at who is spending, it's not anyone 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.760 under the age of fifty five. Pretty much everyone statistically 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.880 under the age of fifty five has reached use they're spending. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.720 People over the age of fifty five have increased their 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.840 spending because if you've got money in the bank, exactly, 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.400 the indust rates going up is good for you because 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.560 you're making more money, which they then go and putting exactly. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.520 And so wanted to me today that the cruise industry, 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.960 for example, is to the right exactly, so. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.520 That the poor mortgage holder and the renters who are 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.680 living in the mortgage homes down here are suffering while 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.200 everyone else is doing okay and has money in the 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.120 bank is actually making more money than they did before. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.120 I mean, it's a lose lose from the perspective of 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.760 trying to reduce inflation continuing to increase interest rates, because 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.400 it doesn't work well. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.040 When I first heard the idea about adjusting the superannuation guarantee, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.520 I thought it seemed radical, but perhaps, as you just outline, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.520 it is unfair and the current system does eventually have 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.880 to change because three point three million people to be 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:57.200 under such financial pressure with families, it's not shouldering the burden, 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.320 and especially when the Albaneze government insists on mass of 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.040 pay rises a fifteen percent at this time, and if 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.160 they want to get inflation down faster, they can just stop. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.960 I think from the consumption perspective, the GST idea makes 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.040 sense as well, because of course, if you're spending the 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.720 extra money you've made from interest rates going up, it 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.080 may will be on things that you have. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.960 You can talk about the GST till the cows come home. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.760 It's not going to change. It's in trench locked in 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.080 because all the states haveft aug greet and it's never 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.800 going to happen, So it's not worth talking about. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.360 Other ideas are super guarantee. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:30.520 What do you think about that one? 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.760 Well, I'd like to think about that. It looked a 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:38.920 little bit too tricky for me. I about it, and 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.520 I just want to see I just remember Simon Crean's 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.080 father saying when he was part of the Widam government, 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.520 when the insanity that is going on now looks remarkably 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.320 like it was then, and his father said, one man's 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.800 pay increase is another man's job. And that's the situation 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.680 we're getting to, not in the public sector, but in 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.880 the sector. It's small family businesses that are going broke. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.800 And what we're seeing is is that the middle class 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:08.560 is now. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.320 Public sector, public aligned. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:16.120 It's not the small business people, the entrepreneurs who were 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:22.119 the backbone of this country, but their percentage of wealth 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.520 of GDP, if you want to express it in those terms, 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:25.440 has dropped. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.200 And what we're seeing, I don't know. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.880 Perhaps it's deliberate by the government, but they are deliberately 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.080 trying to wipe out the small business sector. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:34.680 Hope. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.160 Let's hope not Let's have a look now at Ygun 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:45.040 because her antics have now been ridiculed on the international stage. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.639 We even saw her mocked on Jimmy Fallon. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:53.359 Have a look. You have to wonder where Raygun is 0:17:53.440 --> 0:18:04.479 right now? What's that music coming from. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.800 How are you feeling since your performance? 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.679 I'm like, oh, no, no, Ill, we don't know me 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.280 what many bands with you? How can you do that? 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.800 I have to ask you because because it's it's all 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.920 that me and my friends have been talking about last night, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.520 after the show and today, and I'm not saying anything. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.560 I'm you know, I think it's taken out. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.800 I think it's the best thing that's happened in the 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.359 Olympics the entire time. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:44.800 Did anyone see the break dancing Lady. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.959 Brom And it's such a pity that instead of the 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:52.480 Australian team being known for our amazing metal tally, this 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.120 is what we've become known for this embarrassment. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.560 Well, I think they know we did very well in 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.800 the medal tarrying, and that we won many metals that 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.320 they might have liked to have won as well. But 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.639 honestly and truly, I think we're all profoundly believed that 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.359 it will no longer be in the Olympics. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.840 It's gone. So it's yesterday's story. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.879 What do you think, Kayla, Well, that may well be 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.399 the silver lining is that she has proven how preposterous 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.720 the whole idea of breakdancing being a part of the 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.280 Olympics was. Because if you look into how she actually 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.600 ended up at the Olympics, the World Sport Dance Federation, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.480 whateverything called they wanted ballroom dancing, the IOC wouldn't allow it. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.239 Because they said it was two old fashions, so they 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:40.000 put up break dancing, and there's no global breakdancing body anywhere, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.760 so they had to come up with an idea for 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.560 how they would actually get people to qualify, and it 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.320 eventually came down to a body that was put together 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.680 in Australia, which was a small group of people who 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.000 run some sort of breakdancing competition. It's got about fifteen 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.440 participants in it, of which Raygun was one. So the 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.080 number of people who actually knew they could even qualify 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.760 to go to break dancing in the Olympics for Australia 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.120 was so small. That's how we ended up with this 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.520 ray Gun woman. And I'm not convinced that the whole 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.760 thing is not a bit part of ire with the 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:12.600 other night off. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.120 The just for the subject of one of her papers exactly. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.399 She is going to turn this into some sort of 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.680 academic pursuit. Now, the reaction to it, the fact. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.520 That about university course. I know why universities. 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.320 It's it's too good to be true, it's actually too 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.000 bad to be true, and we're going to pay for 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.439 it through the public system. So you can write the paper, 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:34.960 no doubt, But I reckon. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.240 That she's already written the paper, hasn't she She's rather 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:38.280 so then. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:39.520 We're going to have a look at some of those 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.120 papers a bit later on the show. But my biggest 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.719 issue is that she stole the thunder of all of 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.760 those amazing athletes that deserve to be celebrated. Now, last 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.240 topic before we go, Ban Fordham exposed this morning Bill 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.400 Shorten yet again featuring on the show tonight, for spending 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.800 forty thousand dollars tax pay dollars on what Fordham described 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.000 as a ritzy event for bureaucrats. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.600 Have a listened now on the issue of spending money. 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.000 You would think that Bill Shorten would be really careful 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.000 at the moment as the Minister for the National Disability 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.240 Insurance Scheme, which is in all sorts of financial trouble. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.280 But Bill has spent forty thousand dollars of taxpayers money 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.840 on a ritzy event for bureaucrats. The forty grand was 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:28.359 spent on a senior executive service leadership forum at Canberra's 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.320 five star high At Hotel. This was in April. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:34.080 Rumman. 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.879 On top of the six hundred thousand dollars this speech, 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.720 this isn't a good look for Porod Shotten Well. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.359 Parol Shorten, of course, is the man who is that 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.480 comes out really on a regular basis and says he's 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:50.000 going to solve the problem of the exploding costs of 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:54.199 the d NDIS. He talks a lot and delivers nothing. 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.359 But this was another talka on money doesn't mean anything 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.000 to him. It just doesn't mean anything. He set up 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.080 the NDIS. Now he's got forty thousand dollars expenditure trying 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.159 to talk to the people who are running it, say what, 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:08.720 we've got to reduce expenditure. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.640 I mean, it's a joke, and so. 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.240 Is Bill Shorten, but he does desperately want to be 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:13.840 Brandt Minister. 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:15.200 He does indeed. 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:18.240 All right, Roman Bishop Caleb bon calibacy at ten o'clock, 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.000 of course, thank you both so much. All right, now 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.080 to our exclusive tonight, I can reveal the coalition is 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.840 demanding that the Albanezy government followed Germany's example and deport 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:33.520 her Mus supporters from the country. This comes after Asiobus 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:38.080 Mike Burgess admitted that Palestinians who expressed rhetorical support for 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.680 her Mus wouldn't be blocked from coming to our country. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.399 He also said that not all visas had gone to 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:50.680 ASIO for security checks. This is an unforgivable national security 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.760 failure that's put Australians at risk. Well, I spoke with 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:59.920 Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson just a little while ago. 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:04.560 How Many is introducing legislation to debat HAMAS supporters. Do 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.320 you think Australia should be doing the same. 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.320 Well, we should absolutely be deporting anyone we can identify 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.000 as supporting a terrorist organization Shari. But the good news 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.720 is we don't need legislation to do it. We've already 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.679 got that legislation. It's been passed by previous parliaments. It 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.520 includes the character test in the Migration Act that says 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.280 that people who are a threat to our community can 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.720 have their visas revoked by the Minister for Home Affairs. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.600 And that's an important test for Tony Burke. Will he 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.560 step up? Will he act? Will he cancel the visas 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.560 of Hamas supporters as well as stopping any new ones 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:37.640 from coming to our country? 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:39.280 And it doesn't. 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.159 Seem like that's happening at the moment, does it. I 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.399 mean the comments we heard from the AZIO Director General 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.280 Mike Burgis on the weekend seem to be that the government's. 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.600 Policy is that it might be fine. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:54.200 For some Hamas supporters to come to Australia on these 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:55.120 temporary visas. 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.080 I'm deeply concerned Shari by the of the government to 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.600 clarify in the last couple of days whether or not 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:07.040 they are willing to bring Hamas supporters into Australia if 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.439 they are only rhetorical or political supporters of Hamas. This 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.760 is a question of government policy. This is a question 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.160 of migration policy. Tony Burke is responsible for that. If 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.600 he disagrees that Hamas supporters should not be able to 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:21.679 be brought into our country, he should say so. If 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:23.880 he agrees that we should stop the mass supporters coming 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.440 into our country, he should tell the public what he's 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.000 doing to make sure that happens. But from so far 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.520 we've had nothing but silence from the Minister of Home 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:32.920 Affairs and it's not good enough. 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.160 Now you and Julian Lisa and other politicians have actually 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.439 organized a petition to go to Tony Burke on this 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.240 very topic. Can you tell us what you're calling for? 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.120 Look, this is a great initiative by my colleague Julian Lisa, 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.440 and in just the first twenty four hours. More than 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.520 seventy politicians have signed this letter to the Minister of 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:57.119 Home Affairs asking him to be upfront and be straight 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.679 with the Australian people. Is it this government's policy that 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.399 political supporters of hamas are welcome in this country? And 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.800 if so why? And secondly, what is he going to 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.080 do about existing supporters of hamas and the community who 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.879 are here on visas? Will he cancel those visas and 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:13.840 will he send them home as the German government has 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:14.359 promised to do. 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.720 We big political news today that there's a Muslim candidate 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.119 running against Tony Burke in his seat of Watson. Do 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.840 you think his position is now under threat? And do 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.400 you think his personal fight to hold onto his own 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:34.400 seat is influencing Australia's foreign policy and national security. 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.040 Look, this appears to be a very serious independent challenge 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.399 against Tony Burke. It's something that's been organized well in 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.280 advance of the next election, with a candidate whose credentials 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.200 seem on paper to be impressive, and I think it 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.520 will be a very serious political threat to Tony Burke. 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.800 The problem is that Tony Burke is now going to 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.159 be forced to choose between his political interest and the 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.560 national interest. If he wants to appease communities in his seat, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.440 he might make one decision. If he wants to protect Australians, 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.880 he might make a different decision. And frankly, the Prime 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.840 Minister has placed him in an in enviable position. No 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.959 minister should be placed in a position where they have 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.840 to choose between their political interests and the national interest. Frankly, 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:11.840 I don't have confident that Tony Burke would make the 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.440 right decisions in those circumstances. So it was a bizarre 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.320 decision by the Prime Minister to appoint him to this portfolio. 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.399 And it's up to the Prime Minister to reassure the 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.080 Australian people that the political interests of Tony Burk won't 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.200 I ride the national interest. 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.159 Already, it seems to me that the national interest, that 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.440 national security, has been put at risk by the lack 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.920 of concern about flying in her Musk supporters to Australia. 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.560 You know, it just beggars belief, It truly does. 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.480 Look we just at the. 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.440 Start of or just before my show, we heard Fatima 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.520 Payman speak in the sky News mini documentary about having 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:50.119 a wholesome country, about not having any division here. Yet 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:54.040 just today she supported the Greens in the Senate. They 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.720 moved a motion to sanction Israel, no mention of the hostages, 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.960 no mention of Hamas or condemning hermas. Do you think 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:07.119 we have seen from her moves to heal division in 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.159 this country or is she doing the precise opposite. 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.280 Well, they find sentiments, but I don't think Senator Payment 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.760 all the Greens have lipped up to those sentiments. In fact, 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.480 since the seventh October, both of them have sought every 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:24.679 opportunity to weaponize this conflict for political purposes. Nothing is 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.639 gained by this endless moving of motions in the Senate 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.280 except elevating the political interests of Senator Payment and the Greens. 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.600 They know before they move these motions that there's no 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.399 prospect of them passing. If they wanted to pass the motions, 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.240 they would word them very differently. They would include condemnations 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.840 of hostage taking, they would include condemnations of Hamas. But 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.040 they don't do that because this is about politics, not 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.640 about bringing our country together. So I think we should 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:49.639 look at those words from Senator Payment and others in 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.000 that documentary as hollow words, as insincere words, and I 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.240 think she should reflect if she really wants to deliver 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.200 those outcomes in Australia, a different approach is necessary. 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.280 Look, we've heard the head of AZIO say on multiple 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.080 occasions now that politicians need to be careful about their 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.720 language so that he's effectively saying so that it doesn't 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.840 incite violence or make the situation worse. Already, the terror 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.199 threat level has risen to probable, meaning there's more than 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.200 a fifty percent chance of a terror attack the next 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.960 twelve months. Do you think the Greens here really need 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.680 to listen to the ASIO Director general's words because they 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:32.320 are continually and wrongly accusing Israel of genocide, of deliberately 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:36.000 targeting civilians, and that makes people angry when it couldn't 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.119 be further from the truth. 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.200 I'm deeply concerned about this, Shari. I think it is 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.080 a very significant risking we've seen the increase in the 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.280 terrorism threat level in this country, that people could be 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.880 incited into committing an act of violence in our country 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.920 in response to inflamed tensions abroad and all of this. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.920 As political leaders have an obligation to turn down the 0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.080 temperature and not turn it up. I think the Greens 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.800 have been easily the worst since the start of this 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.440 conflict were they've sought political advantage out of this with 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.200 that amped up conflict rather than turned it down with 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.320 it made basis claims, for example, about Australia's supplying weapons 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.040 to Israel in this conflict, something that is not factual, 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.080 And the only reason why you would do that is 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.000 if you want to roll people up to get take 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.040 political advantage out of it. That's irresponsible, that is dangerous 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.360 and I fear it'll end very badly. 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.560 Do you think maybe the Boss of Asia needs to 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:27.080 provide a specific security briefing to the Greens, given we 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:32.240 are seeing aggression outside the officers of politicians that is dangerous. 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.520 In my experienced, security briefings like that are always on 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.840 offer and always available for those who want to take 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:40.840 it up. Whether the Greens would be willing to take 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.240 up a briefing like that, let alone take out the 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.360 lessons from that briefing is another question. 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.120 All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time as always, 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:54.680 Thank you, Thanks Arry, And coming up after the break, 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:58.600 how Elon Musk is turning the NBN satellite business into 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:03.560 a white elephant plus the worst of Raygun's academic papers revealed, 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.680 and they're even more cringeworthy than her break dancing. All 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:16.080 of that coming up, Welcome back, well. Elon Musk is 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:20.920 turning the NBN satellite business into a white elephant. Mask's 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:25.240 satellite service, Starlink, is providing better Internet service to those 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.680 in the bush. As many of you watching will know, 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.840 starlink speed is much faster and it's more reliable than 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:36.040 the NBN satellite business. Starlink now has two hundred thousand 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.440 customers according to figures quoted by The A Trible c 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.440 And in NBN's latest report, it showed that their satellite 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.120 customers had crashed by twenty three percent and they were 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:51.040 down to just eighty six thousand customers. It seems they 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.240 were so embarrassed by being beaten by the take billionaire 0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:58.000 that they've decided to kill off any notion of transparency. 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.920 The NBN has stopped its decade long practice of publishing 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:05.920 weekly data on their customers. To discuss this, let's bringing 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.720 now Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman. David, great to see you. 0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:10.240 Look. 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.680 What do you make of this new lack of transparency 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:13.600 from the NBN? 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.120 Oh to disgrace Sharhi. So the NBN is getting smashed 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.760 by Elon Musk. It's creating embarrassing headlines for the NBN 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.880 and for the government. You led some of the early 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.440 reporting on that, and that's been followed up by media 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:33.680 outlets right across the board. Its satellite business is collapsing. 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.400 It's also lost about eighty thousand customers from traditional homes, 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.600 what they call the brownfields business. And so what the 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.720 NBN has now done is stop publishing a report that 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:50.200 has existed for a decade. And this from a government 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:55.840 that was supposedly all about transparency and integrity. It is 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.120 a disgrace and that report has to be reinstated. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.840 Why do you think it is that Elon Musk's starlink 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.600 is able to provide much better service than the NBN. 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.400 Well, loo, he innovated technically. I mean, he has a 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.320 track record of doing that across many industries and he's 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:19.560 certainly done that with satellite and related space exploration, no question. 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.959 You know, the government's response, Michelle Rowland's response was to 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:28.880 organize a round table of academics. So you know Elon 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:33.920 Musk entrepreneur on one side, government round table of academics 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.480 on the other who's going to win and Elon Musk 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.800 is winning. But the issue I think for the public, Shari, 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.720 is that we deserve to know what is going on 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:50.360 in the NBN. It's completely unacceptable for this information to 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.840 be hidden. This has been around for a decade and 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.080 they've got to reinstate this and there's further steps we 0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.040 can take if they don't. 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.160 Look, we have to ask how much the NBN satellite 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.760 services continuing to cost taxpayers, given that it's been so 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.880 quickly outshine by Elon Musk's new technology. I mean, what 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.480 is the cost of this so far to taxpayers? 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.560 Yeah, it's huge, Sharion. The overall cost to the NBN 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:19.880 of taxpayers is increasing. So in the last six months 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.880 that they reported on the NBN's cash loss effectively was 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.240 one point one billion dollars, which was up by more 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:32.560 than four hundred million on the previous period. They're losing 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.120 customers because their prices are going up. So satellite broadband 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.760 prices are up about fourteen percent since October alone, So 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:45.760 losing customers, losing money, and now not even giving us 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:47.920 the information that we all deserve. 0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.680 Look, he's far from perfect, Elon Musk and Labor in 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.760 particular like to paint him as a villain, but you know, 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.360 to say he's fixing the problem of internet outages in 0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.280 the bush which successive governments haven't been able to do. 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.360 And we've spoken before about how important it is in 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.440 times of bushfires or floods or other emergencies. You really 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:12.280 do need connectivity just quickly before you go. The Albaneze 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.440 government looks like it is going to reject cause for 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.040 a blanket ban on gambling advertising. 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.080 Instead, Labors pushing. 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.200 Forward with a partial band so it'll be during children's 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.480 shows and live spots broadcasts. David, do you support do 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.160 you think there should be a ban on gambling advertising? 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.279 Well, look, Sherry were back in May last year, Peter 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.520 Dutton announced in his Budget reply speech that we would 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.200 ban gambling advertising during live sport one hour before one 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.160 hour after. We think that's the right thing to do. 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.200 Very concerned about the impact of those ads on, especially 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.080 on kids and family viewing. I mean in terms of 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.319 what the government's doing, I mean, who knows, mean, it's 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.480 been going on for so long, we don't have anything 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:58.359 to respond to. Once we do, we'll review it, but 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.919 we certainly want to see the that ban on live 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.560 sport advertising and we'll see what the government comes up 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.560 with and then respond in due courts. 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.680 All right, David Coleman, thank you very much. 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:09.319 Great to see you. 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.040 Now still to come. 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.680 Tony Abbott calls out alban Easy's snub of Woodside, apparently 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:19.719 supporting a successful Australian business isn't in line with his 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:24.560 green crusade. Plus videos of children break dancing better than 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.640 Raygun and we'll look at the only thing worse than 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.960 her Olympic performance, the worst of her woke academic papers 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:40.319 that is coming up after this quick break. Welcome back. Well, 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.600 let's bring in tonight's political panel, Sky News contributor Gary 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.279 Hargrave and abral MP Zoey Mackenzie. Great to see you both, 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.799 Gary and Brisbane, Zoe and Canberra. Well, let's start with 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.839 Tony Abbott. He's accused Anthony Alberizi and his ministers of 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.760 snubbing Woodside seventieth anniversary party over the weekend. He says 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:04.200 that not even Rezos's minister, Madeline King, a West Australian, 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.719 attended the celebrations for the gas producer because she was 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.880 on leave. Tony Abbott said that Gas is our second 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.600 largest export earner and the only way to ensure that 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:16.760 the transition to renewable energy doesn't put the lights out 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.279 yet because it's an evil fossil fuel. And he says, 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:25.160 yet not a single labor MP could attend this milestone, Zoe, 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.480 what do you think? Is this a pretty rude snub? 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.880 It's extraordinary, right, So you have an entire slate of 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:38.960 liberal coalition MP's former prime ministers. They're celebrating this great 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.920 Australian company, this great export, and no one wants to 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.480 turn up because theoretically it's a fossil fuel. I went 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.160 to COP twenty seven, the one that was held in 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.000 Egypt a couple of years ago, and I met with 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:53.279 parliamentarians across the political spectrum and across the planet, and 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.840 every single one said to me, oh, climate change and energy, 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.200 it's been conflicted in Australia, hasn't I said, well, to 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.240 some extent, yes, but what's your solution, what's your baseload solution? 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.759 What keeps the lights on in your country? And to 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.520 a man and a woman, it was nuclear number one 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:13.319 and gas number two. And so there's not a fraud conversation. 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.640 People just get on with keeping the lights on elsewhere 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:18.560 in my own electric in Flinders, do you know how 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.920 we're powered over summer eight diesel generators. We need to 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:26.160 be honest about the energy sources we have now and 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.799 what we're going to need to power Australian industry in 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.440 the Australian economy in the future. 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.160 Guess has to be part of that. 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.440 There's no reason to treat Woodside like it's a leprosy colony. 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.800 But Garyot's not only that, As Tony Abbott says, Woodside 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:43.879 has paid more than forty billion dollars in federal royalties alone. 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.279 I mean that's a lot to be grateful for when 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.879 it comes to the budget and the economy. 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:54.799 Yeah, plus the great ambassadors for Australia and update economies 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.240 that need our gas. You know, nobody from the Federal 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.799 Labor Party went along to dealers and biggers. That's the 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.400 big gathering of all people in all of the resources. 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.440 So it's not just simply those who are involved in 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.520 carbon industries, it's all of the resources industry. I mean, 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.360 I thought Madeline King was a courageous appointment. She's the 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.359 Minister for Northern Australia and she's in Southwest Western Australia. 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.480 This mob are completely out of touched. 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.480 It's all about the factions, and it's all about trying 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.960 to appease those lefty greenee elements who want to kill 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.359 off carbon. And I'm from Queensland, and just a few 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.719 hundred kilometers north and northwest of where I am right 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:35.120 now is the world's greatest supply of that beautiful black 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.640 stuff coal, the first four letters of the word coalition. 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:40.719 And I'm going to tell you we've got to keep 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.840 using that coal to keep the power on because Victoria 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.320 is going to need a lot more diesel generators based 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.520 on everything I've seen about its future electricity needs. We 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.240 just need to produce more and more electricity at cheaper 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.320 and cheaper prices like we used to do about forty 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.279 years ago when we were growing our economy. This mob 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:00.600 got no idea, no idea. 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:01.919 It all all right. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.839 Let's return to Raygun because in the wake of her 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.400 viral performance, there are countless videos and now being posted 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:13.799 online of children dancing better than our olympian Have a look. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:41.879 Musca, How good are they? 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.880 But the only thing worse than Rachel Gun's break dancing 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.439 are her woke academic papers. Have a look at Sky 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.359 News Digital editor Jack Hadden speaking about this. 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.040 You've got a person who has forged this very niche 0:39:56.080 --> 0:40:00.239 career in breaking in breakdancing, and she's trying to high 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:06.560 it to colonial structures. Everything's about racialized theory, everything's americanized, 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.880 the spellings americanized because they need to try and publish 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.759 in these americanized journals, and so everything has to be 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:17.600 about critical race theory. And she somehow managed to tie 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:26.160 breakdancing to colonial structures, to being institutionalized, to racism. 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.120 All right, And I'm actually going to read you guys 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.680 a quote from one of her papers, and I mean 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:35.399 it's almost unintelligible. She says that we argue that breakings 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:41.359 institutionalization via the Olympics will place breaking more firmly within 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:47.040 this sporting nations hegemonic settler colonial structures that rely upon 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:51.240 racialized and gendered hierarchies. I actually don't know what the 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:52.279 hell she's talking about. 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.400 How breakdancing can do any of that, Zoe, what do 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.320 you think? Honestly? 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.360 Look, break dancing was always the rogue sport in the 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.799 Paris Olympics. I remember eight years ago, whenever it was 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.239 that Paris was selected. I said to my kids, this 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:08.920 is it. Kids, learn breakdancing. It's going to be the 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.480 one where no one's got the gold medals. Go out 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.280 and learn how to do it. And if they'd taken 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.160 me seriously, I'll tell you what, there'd be a gold 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.239 medal in my home today. So, look, I haven't really 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:21.160 followed the breakdancing saga. I have to admit it's not 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:24.200 my preferred sport. I'm more of a rower myself, and 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.840 so I haven't really followed it. But look it was rogue. 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.680 I'm not sure it'll be back next time given. 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.160 The success or. Like they're off this. 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.400 I'm not just for us, but everyone. This might be 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.640 the first and last time we see breakdancing. But I say, girl, 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.759 Aussie's whatever the sport is. They got up tonight and 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.240 celebrated for local olympias, my electorate who all did great. 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.680 Well, good on them, Good on them. 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:43.240 Gary. 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.400 I think ray Gun is going to be the Halloween 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.960 costume of twenty twenty four. What do you racket And 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:49.840 what do you think of those academic papers? 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.440 Yeah, the papers frightened me more than anything else. I 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:58.800 actually think she's done cultural appropriation. I think she's actually 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:02.040 decided to send the whole thing up, and somebody within 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:03.800 the Australian Olympic Committee allowed it. 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:05.239 Agun of course, now. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.040 They're so embarrassed by the whole thing they're arguing how 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.319 great she is. Look, I'm more on the I love 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:16.160 Arissa true page, the fourteen year old fourteen in eighty 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.200 six days, that girl from the Gold Coast won a 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.200 gold medal. She better get her Order of Australia because 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.879 otherwise if she doesn't, it'll be ages. They're all meant 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.239 to get Orders of Australia. I think all of the 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.759 great Olympians have competed against a lot of other great 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.960 Australians to get there, and they've done us proud. Ray 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:36.760 Gun was courageous, a courageous choice in Australia's name. 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:41.040 Yeah, indeed, indeed all right do Zoe Mackenzie, Gary Hargrave, 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.640 Thank you both so much for joining me. Now, up 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:48.240 next is the UK Prime Minister turning into Big Brother, 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:52.520 how free speech is coming under serious attack and the 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.200 latest on the violent riots will cross live to Tom Slater 0:42:56.320 --> 0:43:05.440 in London right after the break Welcome back Well. Today, 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:09.080 Elon Musk had a two hour interview with Donald Trump 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:12.839 and more a conversation than an interview on his platform X. 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.760 In that conversation, Donald Trump vowed to build a missile 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.680 defense shield similar to the Iron Dome over the United States. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:21.240 Have a listen. 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:24.399 One of the things we're going to do is we're 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:25.880 going to build an iron dome over US. 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.520 You know, Israel has it. We're going to have the 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.320 best iron dome in the world. We need it, and 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.759 we're going to make it all in the United States. 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.799 Well, for more insight on this discussion, that's cross Live 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:41.160 to the UK, where Spiked online editor Tom Slater joins me. Now, Tom, 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.520 good to see you again. Look what did you make 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.440 of this conversation that went on and on and on 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.560 between Elon Musk and Donald Trump? 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.000 And it's very much kind of election campaigns in the 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.160 twenty first century, wasn't it? This long, yawning conversation between 0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:02.280 Donald Trump, the prospective Republican president, and also Elon Musker 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.400 has recently backed him quite famously. I mean, it was 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:10.080 classic Trump. Plenty of braggadoco, plenty of bobbastic statements. I 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.520 typically like the bit where he said he told once 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.480 told Ladimir Putin what he would do if Russia invaded 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.000 Ukraine and Putin said no way, and he said way. 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.319 It was you know, it was a wonder of what 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.400 fantastic entertainment value, if nothing else, that Donald Trump brings 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:25.719 all of this. And I think the fact that Elion 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.120 Musk was doing this was very significant. Is someone who, 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.279 despite being quite an eccentric and colorful character, was a 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.600 kind of moderate Democrat not that long ago. And I 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.520 think it's telling how far the Democrats have moved away 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:38.759 from a lot of moderate positions on a lot of 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.840 issues that someone like him, for all his eccentricities, is 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:43.759 backing Trump so emphatically. 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.360 Now, well, you wonder how much would be a business 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.920 decision of courtus because Donald Trump does have a lot 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.600 of supporters. But I thought it was extraordinary and I'll 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.080 probably play this clip on the show tomorrow night that 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.080 there was a Washington Post reporter at the White House 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.120 who actually asked the White House Press Secretary, in effect, 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.000 if she could shut down the conversation before it happened 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.360 because it might have misinformation in it. I mean, the idea, 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.160 this censorship of free speech, and tom that's what I 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.200 want to speak to you about because in the UK 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.640 Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has criticized Keir Starmer on 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.640 free speech. He's saying that he's going too far in 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.279 his response to the riots, and then it is suppressing 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:25.000 free speech. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.960 Have a look what we are allowed to do on 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.279 social media, or should be allowed to do, is to speculate, 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.919 is to ask questions, is to trump put facts out. 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.239 Trump put facts out that wake up the rest of 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.080 the community. Starmer by cracking down on that poses I 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.160 think the biggest threat to free speech we've seen in 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:44.800 art history. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.360 Tom that is a big accusation. But the Crown Prosecution 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.920 Servers has tweeted that people should think before they post. 0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:57.240 So you know, how serious is this threat? 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.600 I think it's very serious. Think that Kirstarmer is a 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.879 classic figure of the British establishment. He seems to blame 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.640 free speech and social media for absolutely everything that goes 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.120 wrong in society. The people who rule over us think 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:14.320 that censorship is the only thing between civilization and barbaras. 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:16.799 We've seen that in the response. We've seen, as you say, 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.799 government Twitter accounts saying think before you post. We've had 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.560 the Chief Prosecutor going on the air to say that 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.920 not only our official scouring the internet, but even retweets 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:31.560 of potentially hateful or inciting material could potentially land you 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:34.279 in one of those fetching gray prison tracksuits that we have. 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.680 And the one thing I would say is that this 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.359 is not about Kirstarmer introducing any kind of new laws. 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.719 He's putting a bit of pressure on the authorities and 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.960 what not to speed up prosecutions. But this has been 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.520 an unpleasant sort of normal state of affairs for the 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.640 UK for quite some time now. Back in twenty seventeen, 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.200 The Times the newspaper found that nine people a day 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.600 were being arrested for things that they said online. And 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.920 I think it's a reminder that however odious, hateful, racist, 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.960 some of the speech that we might encounter on the internet. 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.560 In asking the States all the social media companies to 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:07.440 act as a kind of ministry of truth or as 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.400 an official censor, will corrode everyone's free speech and the 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.440 name of just targeting that kind of bigoted few if 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:13.319 you want, And. 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:16.399 That is precisely what's also happening in Australia as well, 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.640 and it is scary. Look, let's have a quick look 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.080 at the riots before we go. There was horror in 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.080 central London yesterday, an eleven year old girl and her 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.800 mother stabbed. Keir Starmer has had to cancel his summer 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.680 holiday plans to deal with these riots. 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:31.759 What do we know? 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.799 You know, what happened with this incident with the mother 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.840 and the girl and do we expect the riots to continue? 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.880 So information about this particular incident is pretty scant on 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.640 the ground at the moment. There's also very little we 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.920 could say because of the fact that charges have been 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:50.279 brought and so on. What we do know from the 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.480 police they don't believe it to be terror related. I 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.520 don't think they believe this person to be known to 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.479 the family in question. And there's also been a lot 0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:01.320 of praise for a security on Leicester Square who intervened 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.520 to stop the attack getting any worse than it was. 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:05.200 So that's a kind of an early stage. How much 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.840 that connects to our broader conversation, not entirely sure, but 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.040 it seemed like across the country, at least for now, 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.120 the riots of sort of debated, and we're now looking 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.200 at getting into a discussion of how we got into 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:16.239 this position in the first place. 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.279 All right. Indeed, Tom Slater, thank you so much for 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.600 your time, and thanks everyone for your company. Tonight. I'll 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.360 see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, here's 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:26.680 Paul in the man Cave.