WEBVTT - Sharri | 4 November

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Andrew, good evening, Welcome to the show tonight to

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Alberizie's embarrassing remarks about Donald trump come back to

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<v Speaker 3>haunt him. How will the Prime Minister handle this? If

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<v Speaker 3>Trump wins in just two days, I'll bring you.

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<v Speaker 2>His comments in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got full coverage on the election tonight with our

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<v Speaker 3>former ambassador to Washington, Joe Hockey, plus Ross Greenwood in

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<v Speaker 3>New York will bring you the latest intel on the

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<v Speaker 3>battleground states. Plus I'll bring you exclusive polling on who

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<v Speaker 3>labor voters have picked to lead the party if they

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<v Speaker 3>could choose a different leader, and the answer will make

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<v Speaker 3>alban Eazy very nervous. That exclusive polling coming up. Also tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>the Home Affairs Department plays counsel culture with the Australian flag. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't they be focused on national security?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you the moment James.

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<v Speaker 3>Patterson calls out their wopped priorities. But first tonight, the

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister embarrassed over remarks where he strongly criticized Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>The comments now coming back to haunt him.

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<v Speaker 3>On the eve of the US election, alberize he was

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<v Speaker 3>a senior labor figure. When he said that he had

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<v Speaker 3>concerns about Trump, who was already president at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>he also said that he scares the s out of him.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a look, we have an alliance with the US.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to deal with him, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>that you're uncritical about it. He scares out of me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's of some concern that the leader

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<v Speaker 4>of the free world thinks that you can conduct politics

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<v Speaker 4>through one hundred and forty characters on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>So Alberizi complaining there as he said that we've got

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with him.

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<v Speaker 2>This is embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 3>And Alberizi was Shadow Transport and infrastruct Minister at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a senior figure in the shortened team. He

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<v Speaker 3>should have known better than to speak in such a

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<v Speaker 3>juvenile fashion about the then president of the nation that

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<v Speaker 3>Australia relies.

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<v Speaker 2>On for our national security.

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<v Speaker 3>And for this to emerge at a time when his

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<v Speaker 3>own government is scrambling to get in to make ties

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<v Speaker 3>with teen Trump. Well, when you think about it, there

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<v Speaker 3>are actually a lot of similarities between Alberizi and Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>Alber Ezi spent his career as a left faction warrior,

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<v Speaker 3>only to suddenly try and reposition himself in the political

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<v Speaker 3>center when he became Labor leader, he claimed that he'd abandoned.

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<v Speaker 2>His far left instincts.

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<v Speaker 3>It led to front pages like this one where Albernezi

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<v Speaker 3>declared I am not woke.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of us found that claim hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 5>Albert declared himself a centrist who would govern four mainstream

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<v Speaker 5>Australia and to prove he was safe for readers, reporter

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Hildebrand put the opposition leader to the woke test

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<v Speaker 5>and got all the right answers.

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<v Speaker 6>Can men have babies?

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<v Speaker 5>No Captain Cook, Giro or zero world changer?

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<v Speaker 2>Does Australia need to spend more or less on defence?

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<v Speaker 7>More negative gearing?

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<v Speaker 2>Keep or ditch Keep?

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<v Speaker 3>In my view, there wasn't nearly enough scrutiny on Albanesi

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<v Speaker 3>before the last election, and when I reported on his

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<v Speaker 3>radical left positions over the years, he was pretty angry

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<v Speaker 3>about it. Albanzey didn't want anyone to know about his past,

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<v Speaker 3>like that it actually supported death taxes. He'd also previously

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<v Speaker 3>criticized capitalism and family wealth as causes of social injustice.

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<v Speaker 3>Albanzey pretended to voters that he'd been an economics advisor

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<v Speaker 3>in the legendary Haut government, but in fact, as I reported,

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<v Speaker 3>he was only a research officer for a hard left

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<v Speaker 3>minister who.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't in cabinet.

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<v Speaker 3>And on Israel would don't get me started, but there

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<v Speaker 3>were plenty of warning signs.

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<v Speaker 2>Albinizi had lashed out at.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel, claiming it had acted disproportionately when defending its citizens from.

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<v Speaker 2>Terror attacks, and he also demanded the.

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<v Speaker 3>Coalition explain why it voted against a United Nations move

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<v Speaker 3>to launch an investigation into Israel's so called indiscriminate use

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<v Speaker 3>of force against Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>These should have been red flags.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole attempt to reposition Albanzi was a farce. He

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<v Speaker 3>never abandoned his lifelong principles, He just pretended that he changed.

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<v Speaker 3>And now Albinze's Prime ministership is failing, mostly because of

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<v Speaker 3>his inability to govern for mainstream Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>I challenge you.

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<v Speaker 3>To think of anything he has actually personally achieved. You

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<v Speaker 3>only have to look at Peter malanowskis in Adelaide or

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<v Speaker 3>Chrismin's in New South Wales to see the model of

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<v Speaker 3>a modern, successful centrist labor leader now over in America.

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<v Speaker 3>Like alban Easy, Kamala Harris has spent her career as

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<v Speaker 3>a Californian Liberal. She's the very definition of woke. The

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans only have to look at comments she's made in

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<v Speaker 3>the past for their adverts.

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<v Speaker 6>Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.

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<v Speaker 8>Surgery for prisoners for prisoners. Every transgender in me in

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<v Speaker 8>the prison system would have access. This administration has decided

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<v Speaker 8>to vilify them and to trade on them for the

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<v Speaker 8>sake of this president's medieval vanity project called IWAL. There's

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<v Speaker 8>no question I'm in favor of banning fracking.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The Wall Street Journal editorial board says that her candidacy

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<v Speaker 3>is best understood as an attempt by the Democrats to

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<v Speaker 3>continue the progressive political wave, and that editorial describes the

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<v Speaker 3>modern left's bloody mindedness, with its regulatory coercion, its cultural imperialism,

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<v Speaker 3>its economic statism, and its desire to strip judicial independence.

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<v Speaker 3>They say that Harris's progressive politics might be tolerable if

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Harris showed evidence on foreign affairs that she understands

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<v Speaker 3>the world's current dangerous moment. Yet she defends the last

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<v Speaker 3>four years as a security success, despite two Wars adversaries

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<v Speaker 3>on the March and the US Navy playing Waka missile

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<v Speaker 3>in the Red Sea. And they also conclude that Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris is unprepared to deal with She or Vladimir Putin.

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<v Speaker 3>And now even CNN has called Kamala Harris out for

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<v Speaker 3>running different messages on Gaza and Israel in different states.

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<v Speaker 3>In Michigan, which reportedly has the largest Arab population in America,

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<v Speaker 3>here are Kamala Harris's adverts.

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<v Speaker 8>What has happened in Gaza over the past nine months

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<v Speaker 8>is devastating. We cannot allow ourselves to become numb to

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<v Speaker 8>the suffering, and I will not be silent.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't be silent on the suffering. But then over

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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania, where Kamala is trying to win over Jewish voters,

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<v Speaker 3>will here's her message.

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<v Speaker 8>I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself, and.

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<v Speaker 10>I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend

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<v Speaker 10>itself because the people of Israel must never again face

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<v Speaker 10>the horror that a terrorist or organization called hermas calls

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<v Speaker 10>on October seventh, This.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so appalling.

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<v Speaker 3>These mixed messages that even CNN criticized.

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<v Speaker 2>Her over it.

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<v Speaker 11>You have two entirely different constituencies and they are getting

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<v Speaker 11>two entirely different messages. If you are a Jewish person

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<v Speaker 11>in Pennsylvania, you saw that ad that you're getting, You

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<v Speaker 11>are getting that athe Muslim voter in Michigan, you are

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<v Speaker 11>getting that ad on Facebook that's talking about talking about

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<v Speaker 11>how she won't be silent on the issue of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris wants to be the president of the US,

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<v Speaker 3>but her message is change depending on which battleground state

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<v Speaker 3>you're in, depending on what you want to hear. She

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<v Speaker 3>seems to be the American replica of alban Easy, and

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen that his left wing instincts couldn't be suppressed forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is arguably the.

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<v Speaker 3>Most critical election in our recent history. Our enemies are

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<v Speaker 3>emboldened and they're collaborating to weaken us in the West.

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<v Speaker 3>Only a strong leader of the free world can stop

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<v Speaker 3>their assault on democracy and on Western civilization, and this

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<v Speaker 3>can only be achieved through the Reagan model of peace

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<v Speaker 3>through strength.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the leadership that's needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, not constant calls for a ceasefire, not half

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<v Speaker 3>hearted support for Ukraine and not turning a blind eye

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<v Speaker 3>to China's wargames. Okay, we've got a lot coming up

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<v Speaker 3>for more. Now let's cross live to the US to

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<v Speaker 3>New York where I've got Ross Greenwood and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>gone four am local time. Ross, thank you for getting

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<v Speaker 3>up so early for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Look in New.

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<v Speaker 3>York, Wall Street has mostly swung behind Donald Trump. What's

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<v Speaker 3>your opinion on the view that the economy and the

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<v Speaker 3>stock market will be stronger under a Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, there's no doubt that Wall Street has swung behind him,

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<v Speaker 12>although it has waived in the past day or so.

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<v Speaker 12>That surprise Iowa Pole, which suggested that Kamala Harris could

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<v Speaker 12>be in front there probably has just led to a

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<v Speaker 12>few wobbles in terms of currency markets, bond markets, and

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<v Speaker 12>share markets as well. But in the main you're right,

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<v Speaker 12>they have swung behind Donald Trump, and the reason for

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<v Speaker 12>that is because they believe that he will bring down taxes,

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<v Speaker 12>not just for companies but for individuals. Now, there is

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<v Speaker 12>some concern about the implication of what he means when

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<v Speaker 12>he says that he wants to exchange taxes in the

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<v Speaker 12>United States for tariffs, taking the United States back to

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<v Speaker 12>a system that was around in the early nineteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 12>until income tax was created. Now, the reality is that

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<v Speaker 12>big tariffs on Chinaese imported goods, some say, would add

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<v Speaker 12>to inflation. He says, it's the way to actually get

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<v Speaker 12>America going to bring manufacturing on shore, to bring jobs

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<v Speaker 12>on shore, to bring technology on shore, and to ensure

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<v Speaker 12>or the Chinese goods, in many cases where the intellectual

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<v Speaker 12>property has been stolen or basically copied effectively does not

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<v Speaker 12>come back into America as chief goods. So this is

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<v Speaker 12>the sort of rhetoric that goes around not just the

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<v Speaker 12>Trump campaign, but also around the financial markets. Which is

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<v Speaker 12>the reason why though you're right to say that New

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<v Speaker 12>York is very much a Democrat stronghold, it also resonates

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<v Speaker 12>in other parts of it, like say, for example, the

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<v Speaker 12>race for the Congress. A lot of people right now

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<v Speaker 12>even today the New York Times talking about the importance

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<v Speaker 12>of New York in the Congress because the Republicans helped

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<v Speaker 12>to grab control of the Congress because of key votes

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<v Speaker 12>that they picked up here in New York. And that's

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<v Speaker 12>the reason why there so many different votes that are

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<v Speaker 12>coming out in two days time on Tuesday are really

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<v Speaker 12>going to be very important for this nation.

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<v Speaker 3>Ross this is I was actually, I've got to say it,

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<v Speaker 3>quite shocked when I saw that this story had taken

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<v Speaker 3>off in such a strong way on the weekend. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if all of our viewers have heard

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<v Speaker 3>about it tonight. Peanut the squirrel, this has been massive,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in.

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<v Speaker 2>New York on the weekend before the election.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, the police have come in and killed a

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<v Speaker 3>man's two pets, a squirrel and a raccoon. It just

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<v Speaker 3>so happened that I understand the squirrel was a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a social media star. I mean, this sounds weird, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's been such a big story, and Russell's resonated across

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<v Speaker 3>America because it's an example of government overreach of government

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<v Speaker 3>control while there's a sense that actual criminals are getting

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<v Speaker 3>off scott free.

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<v Speaker 2>Are a protected species.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, so it actually gets mixed up with the migration message.

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<v Speaker 12>That's the funny thing about dear old Peanut the squirrel

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<v Speaker 12>and Fred the raccoon is the other one as well.

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<v Speaker 12>And so the New York Post sort of highlighted this

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<v Speaker 12>and basically made the observation that really, people have rated

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<v Speaker 12>this person's house. You know, you're right about peanut being

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<v Speaker 12>a bit of an internet sensation. So either somebody's got

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<v Speaker 12>jealous or somebody says that the squirrel hasn't been kept

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<v Speaker 12>in the rights of environment or whatever it might be.

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<v Speaker 12>So they've actually taken these pets away, euthanize the pets.

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<v Speaker 12>But then now even jd Vance has called this out,

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<v Speaker 12>said that Trump's not happy about this. But it really

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<v Speaker 12>is sort of almost resonates about the fact that, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>under the Democrats, many Americans believe that the country is

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<v Speaker 12>over governed, and you mentioned earlier on in your editorial

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<v Speaker 12>about you know, Australians feeling that same way they are

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<v Speaker 12>over governed, and so this really has almost become a

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<v Speaker 12>bit a little emblematic in the way in which Americans

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<v Speaker 12>do feel in this election. And also say, for example,

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<v Speaker 12>we're going there later on today to go and see

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<v Speaker 12>the famous Roosevelt Hotel, one of the most famous hotels

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<v Speaker 12>in America, which has now become a migration center, so

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<v Speaker 12>people remember that many Americans coming, so many people coming

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<v Speaker 12>to America for the first time. We've gone through Ellis Island. Well,

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<v Speaker 12>this is the New l As Island, one of the

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<v Speaker 12>traditionally flashiest hotels in New York City is now basically

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<v Speaker 12>a migrant center for people who have come illegally into

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<v Speaker 12>this country and gravitated towards New York City. So that

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<v Speaker 12>again is become a bit of a flashpoint in this election.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>And just to add to that, Elon Musks speaking about this,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's such a big issue, this pin up the

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<v Speaker 3>squirrel that the Wall Street Journal even did an editorial

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<v Speaker 3>on it. Ross just quickly before you go, you went

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<v Speaker 3>to Trump Tower today, You've been to pre polling booths today,

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<v Speaker 3>I should say, yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us how you're finding voter sentiment on the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>keeping in mind, of course, as you say that New

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<v Speaker 3>York is a Democrat state.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, well, we're at the marathon. We met at Trump Towers,

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<v Speaker 12>and of course there you'll see a lot of visitors,

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<v Speaker 12>so you do get sort of a glimpse of what's

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<v Speaker 12>happening around the country. The one interesting thing about this

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<v Speaker 12>election is the pre polling. Now, at the previous election,

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<v Speaker 12>twenty twenty election, sixty four percent of people in America

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<v Speaker 12>pre polled, So, in other words, I'm almost one hundred

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<v Speaker 12>million votes out of one hundred and fifty eight million

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<v Speaker 12>votes that were cast were prepolled. And the interesting part

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<v Speaker 12>about it is in the previous they broadly one to

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<v Speaker 12>the Democrats, but this time around, in surveys that have

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<v Speaker 12>been done, it suggests that in twenty six of the

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<v Speaker 12>states where there has been pre polling monitored, that twelve

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<v Speaker 12>have gone towards the Republicans, fourteen have gone towards the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 12>And so it really again shows the call from both

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<v Speaker 12>Kamala Harris and Donald Trump for people to get out

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<v Speaker 12>and prepole has resonated there and certainly on the streets

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<v Speaker 12>the people that we've spoken to have done so in

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<v Speaker 12>their drives.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, and we've seen the Democrats clearly very worried

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<v Speaker 3>about this early pre polling vote. All Right, Ross Greenwood

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<v Speaker 3>Live in New York, thank you so much for your time,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll tune into the rest of your analysis this week.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, let's bring it now Sky News host Steve

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<v Speaker 3>Price and Joe Hildebrand, and let's start with Albanezi's US

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<v Speaker 3>style political rally in Adelaide on the weekend in a

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<v Speaker 3>school hall, where he emphatically declared.

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<v Speaker 2>That the worst was behind us.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to the inflation crisis, pretty disingenuous, spare

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<v Speaker 3>and seeing is so many families are struggling with this

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look.

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<v Speaker 13>While there are still challenges to meet, still problems to solve,

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<v Speaker 13>still people under pressure who need our help. When we

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<v Speaker 13>look at the economy today, we can see new reasons

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<v Speaker 13>for optimism, a new proof that the worst is behind us.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst is behind us.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, is this his new narrative that the cost of

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<v Speaker 3>living crisis is over? When he flies business class he

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<v Speaker 3>buys a clifftop mansion. I mean, I think if that's

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<v Speaker 3>his message, voter, is it going to punish him for

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<v Speaker 3>not understanding Steve Price?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think what we saw there and what we

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<v Speaker 7>can smell is an election. I mean, what the hell

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<v Speaker 7>is he doing? I mean that presentation yesterday was just

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<v Speaker 7>so bizarre, But I think it gives us a bit

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<v Speaker 7>of an indication of what's going to happen whenever that

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<v Speaker 7>election is called, and it's now more likely than not,

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<v Speaker 7>looking like maybe March. But he's going to lean heavy

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<v Speaker 7>on the two labor premiers that you mentioned at the

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<v Speaker 7>beginning of the program, Shari, and that is Peter malanowskis

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<v Speaker 7>in South Australia and Christopher Min's in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 7>He knows they're popular. He knows that the middle voters

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<v Speaker 7>think that those two guys, a bit like Steve Brax

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<v Speaker 7>in Victoria a few years ago, are the type of

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<v Speaker 7>labor premier or the labor politician that you can trust

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<v Speaker 7>to look after you. So I think we really saw

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<v Speaker 7>yesterday of the start of the election campaign for twenty

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<v Speaker 7>twenty five. I just think Joe's mate was over there

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<v Speaker 7>pretending to be you know, I saw a cross between

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<v Speaker 7>Kamala Harrison and Donald Trump and getting everyone to clap

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<v Speaker 7>and cheer for him on a Sunday. How much would

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<v Speaker 7>they have had to pay those people to go there

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<v Speaker 7>on a Sunday for God's sake?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Joe Albanezey does no media interviews at

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<v Speaker 3>all for five days and then he turns up with

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<v Speaker 3>this US style appearance where he takes no questions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, he's our Donald Trump. You can trust him.

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<v Speaker 14>Look, I think obviously has been a pretty brick is

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<v Speaker 14>in week in the media for the PM, and that's clear.

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<v Speaker 14>Some of it is self inflicted, some of it is

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<v Speaker 14>just you know, the big storm that all politicians have

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<v Speaker 14>to go through all the time. And as Winston Churchill said,

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<v Speaker 14>a politician complaining about the press, it's like a sailor

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<v Speaker 14>complaining about the sea. But he's obviously decided to keep

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<v Speaker 14>his head down. I don't really have a problem with

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<v Speaker 14>anything he said. To be honest, I think clearly the

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<v Speaker 14>worst is behind us. The numbers speak for themselves that

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<v Speaker 14>that is an undeniable I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't want to, you know, I don't want to interrupt you.

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<v Speaker 3>I should say I will disagree, because actually the effect

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<v Speaker 3>can be cumulative on people. So initially people had savings

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<v Speaker 3>still from the COVID pandemic period. Now they don't have

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<v Speaker 3>those savings anymore. A lot of people's mortgages are also

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<v Speaker 3>coming off the fixed rate, so it's actually not true

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<v Speaker 3>one it can be cumulative and other people are freshly

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<v Speaker 3>exposed to the pain.

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<v Speaker 14>That is absolutely fair enough. But he's talking about how

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<v Speaker 14>the economy is sitting, and he did say, I know

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<v Speaker 14>that people are doing it tough, and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>and again I'm in a very fortunate position. But we've

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<v Speaker 14>gone backwards as well in this thing, and it scares

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<v Speaker 14>of for Jesus out of me and it stresses me out,

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<v Speaker 14>makes me terrible to live with sometimes and gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Backwards except for album Clifftop Magical.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, you know, he's obviously in his personal states, he's

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<v Speaker 14>going just fine. But he did say that he knew

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<v Speaker 14>that people were still really struggling, but he was giving

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<v Speaker 14>them some hope and some reassurance. I don't think saying

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<v Speaker 14>we're all ruined.

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<v Speaker 6>We're all ruined.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, it's the end of the world as we

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<v Speaker 14>know it. That doesn't help the economy and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't help that, but it's just a bit of understanding

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<v Speaker 3>about what voters are going through. Well, he did make

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<v Speaker 3>that pledge to wipe twenty percent off the hex debt

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<v Speaker 3>of three million ausies.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteen billion dollar promise for just three million students, and

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<v Speaker 3>the PM was spooking that again today. Now, firstly, the

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<v Speaker 3>Coalition argues that tax payers are ready pay for sixty

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the cost of students education. But Steve, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a classic case of wealth redistribution. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>why should all all Australians have to pay for the

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<v Speaker 3>debt of some students. Find some students are hard working,

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<v Speaker 3>but others are just lazy protesters.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I've got to make an admission here. I have

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<v Speaker 7>a daughter who has a sixty five thousand dollars hex stet.

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<v Speaker 7>After five years studying to become a lawyer, she's now

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<v Speaker 7>got a really good job. She never complains about it.

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<v Speaker 7>She's not asked me for one cent. So let me

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<v Speaker 7>just put that out there. But I did think it

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<v Speaker 7>find it very intriguing that suddenly we're going to all

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<v Speaker 7>us other taxpayers and imagine all the taxpayers out there

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<v Speaker 7>that are not doing it such a good doing it

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<v Speaker 7>so well now who are really struggling. I don't think

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<v Speaker 7>they want to put their hand up and pay off

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<v Speaker 7>people's hex debt. That's a huge promise. It's going to

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<v Speaker 7>be very interesting now to see how Peter Dutton handles

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<v Speaker 7>this because obviously that is a promise. It's going to

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<v Speaker 7>sit well with younger voters, but I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 7>going to sit very well with middle Australia and older voters.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also the debt issue to the budget bottom line.

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<v Speaker 3>But Joe is about labor trying to win votes back

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<v Speaker 3>from the Green.

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<v Speaker 14>Absolutely correct, it is, and that's right. That's usually if

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<v Speaker 14>measures are off budget. It's because there are things like

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<v Speaker 14>government owned corporations that are meant to turn a profit,

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<v Speaker 14>so it's not actually a cost to the war chest

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<v Speaker 14>the treasury chess because that entity is meant to be

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<v Speaker 14>operating as a private entity or operating in the private sphere.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't see, and I agree with sauls Like and

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<v Speaker 14>Chris Richardson. I don't see how on earth you can

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<v Speaker 14>make that argument here. It's clearly a reguard action to

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<v Speaker 14>try to throw a bone to young voters who are

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<v Speaker 14>eyeing off the Greens. I think they might be able

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<v Speaker 14>to pick up a couple of seats maybe if they're

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<v Speaker 14>lucky in Brisbane. Joe Biden did this in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Billion, and Joe Biden a couple of seats, a.

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<v Speaker 14>Lot of people and a lot of Joe Biden did well.

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<v Speaker 14>Not just that, but more to make labor more attractive

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<v Speaker 14>to young people in the long term, because the Greens

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<v Speaker 14>are eating that way and anything labor can do to

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<v Speaker 14>beat the Greens is good for Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know if at the cost of sixteen billion,

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<v Speaker 3>I would pay.

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<v Speaker 14>Ten billion dollars they see Max Chandler bar kicked out

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<v Speaker 14>of his seat.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Steve, we learned tonight in that we learned

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<v Speaker 3>tonight and the Herald Son that five Jewish schoolgirls leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>An exam for their VCE were abused with schoolboys shouting

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<v Speaker 2>hitler slurs.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's so many cases like this, so many

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<v Speaker 3>businesses targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically nothing ever happens.

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<v Speaker 7>When is this going to stop? Those girls had been

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<v Speaker 7>at a psychology exam and as the head of the

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<v Speaker 7>school they attend said, you know, maybe these young men

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<v Speaker 7>should have been at the psychology exam. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 7>sort of country are we now living in when five

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<v Speaker 7>girls who have been studying hard on the VCE on

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<v Speaker 7>their way home on a tram and these these absolute

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<v Speaker 7>morons start shouting stuff like that at them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>you've done such a fantastic job prosecuting the case to

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<v Speaker 7>try and put a lid on Adi Semitism in this country, Shari,

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<v Speaker 7>You've personally invested in it, and yet you've got these

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<v Speaker 7>You've got what's going on in those boys' homes when

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<v Speaker 7>they get home tonight? I mean, I hope someone can

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<v Speaker 7>work out who they are. They weren't wearing uniforms, but

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<v Speaker 7>somebody in those streets will know exactly who they are.

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<v Speaker 7>Their parents sort of grabbed them by the year, drag

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<v Speaker 7>them down to their school tomorrow and tell the teachers

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<v Speaker 7>at that school what those boys did. They ought to

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<v Speaker 7>be expelled from the school for the rest of the year,

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<v Speaker 7>and someone's got to get hold of them and put

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<v Speaker 7>them into some sort of re education. It's not on

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<v Speaker 7>it's pathetic and it's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>Very well said Steve, really well said, I mean joj's

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<v Speaker 3>very quickly this social cohesion breakdown.

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing it across the country.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, we are, and it's something extremely ugly. It's something

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<v Speaker 14>that started sadly the day after October seventh last year.

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<v Speaker 14>And again talked about Chris Mins before about how he

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<v Speaker 14>just instinctively knows how to nip these issues as much

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<v Speaker 14>as you possibly can in the bard and to have

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<v Speaker 14>completely de escalating and welcome and but also strong language,

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<v Speaker 14>a very clear message that there is absolutely no tolerance

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<v Speaker 14>for this kind of behavior in Australia. Whatever your pet peeve,

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<v Speaker 14>whatever your pet issue, whatever's happening in the Old Country

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<v Speaker 14>or overseas or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>We are a.

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<v Speaker 14>Strong multicultural nation. I'm very proud of that. There are

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<v Speaker 14>a lot of people who say that it doesn't work

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<v Speaker 14>and it's never going to work. We've proven them wrong

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<v Speaker 14>until now. And if people are going to carry on

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<v Speaker 14>like this, they are just proving the people who say

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<v Speaker 14>that Australia can't actually that Australia is a racist country,

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<v Speaker 14>or that Australia can't function as a multicultural society. They

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<v Speaker 14>are proving those people right and they should be absolutely

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<v Speaker 14>ashamed of themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Price, Johulda Brown, thank you both very much. Now

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<v Speaker 3>returning to the US election, now, Kamala Harris may have

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<v Speaker 3>reached a new level of cringe over the weekend with

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<v Speaker 3>this surprise appearance on Saturday Night Live, where she urged

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<v Speaker 3>the US to keep Karmela ahead of voting day.

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<v Speaker 8>Like legally Blondela and start decorating for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 15>Follow Lala La, because.

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<v Speaker 3>What don't we always say, keep Kamala and carry on.

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<v Speaker 2>Alah oh God.

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<v Speaker 3>Skynies contributor Kosha Gada joins me, now, does this cheese

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<v Speaker 3>work with Americans? And what about also the claims that

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<v Speaker 3>this might have breached the FCC that's the Federal Communications

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<v Speaker 3>Commission Equal time rule.

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, it's kind of for Team Trump. I think the

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 16>gift that keeps giving because there's all those angles to it.

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<v Speaker 16>I don't think the cheese works. You know, if it's

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<v Speaker 16>done in good dosages, where the person is a serious

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 16>candidate and is taken very seriously and then kind of

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 16>lets loose in these formats and does a little bit

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<v Speaker 16>of comedy on SML, it could work, and it has

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<v Speaker 16>worked in the past. But in her case, her biggest

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<v Speaker 16>problem that she's been struggling with, or one of them,

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 16>is she's not taken seriously as somebody who really has

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 16>a hand on issues or has strong positions substantively anyway.

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<v Speaker 16>And then when you keep leaning into sort of the

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<v Speaker 16>comedy and the style piece of it, when there isn't

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<v Speaker 16>a substance backing it up, I don't think it actually

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<v Speaker 16>works as a campaign matter for her. And then the

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<v Speaker 16>second point is it did land NBC in hot water,

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<v Speaker 16>as you mentioned, because they're one of the four free

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<v Speaker 16>to air broadcast networks in the US, and there are

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<v Speaker 16>FCC rules that say if you give time to one

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<v Speaker 16>candidate so closely election.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to give it to the other.

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<v Speaker 16>And I think there was some breaking news that they

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<v Speaker 16>are going to be forced to give ninety seconds to

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<v Speaker 16>team Trump to run an ad in the middle of

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<v Speaker 16>Sunday night football, which may have just happened, or maybe

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.400
<v Speaker 16>it's Monday night football. He's going to be doing that

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<v Speaker 16>to equate that so that they get out of the hot,

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 16>wet water that they put themselves in.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Joe Biden is continuing his kind of weird moments.

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, first he called half of Americans garbage. He

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<v Speaker 3>then was biting babies, and now this.

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<v Speaker 17>Now, I know some of you guys are at tempted

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 17>to think as mucho guys. I'll tell you what, man,

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<v Speaker 17>and I'm serious, these are the kind of guys like

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<v Speaker 17>a smacking ass, I mean Karsher.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, you could be forgiven for thinking he

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<v Speaker 3>was trying deliberately to damage Karmala's campaign.

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<v Speaker 16>That is a theory that seems to keep getting some traction,

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 16>certainly on social media. People think that who knows if

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 16>that's true. Possibly, I think also show it's really quite

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<v Speaker 16>stunning if you think about it, that the sitting president

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 16>has not been on the campaign trail more. And there's

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<v Speaker 16>a reason why. This is the reason we can see it,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 16>but that if you just step back and think about that,

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<v Speaker 16>you know he could have been the biggest voice or

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<v Speaker 16>advocate for his for her, his vice president, and he

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<v Speaker 16>hasn't been, and I think that's the reason why. But

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<v Speaker 16>the garbage comment, I think specifically this one is fine,

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<v Speaker 16>But that one, I think is going to go back

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<v Speaker 16>and history books are going to look at it as

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<v Speaker 16>something that was probably quite material in terms of the

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<v Speaker 16>damage that it did and the unforced era that it

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<v Speaker 16>delivered to the Karma campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose it depends on the election results ultimately whether

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 3>it does go down in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, let's have a quick look at London.

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<v Speaker 3>The Tories have installed their first black later of the Conservatives.

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<v Speaker 3>Kosha disappointment has been well received widely.

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, it has been. I think you know. The big

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<v Speaker 16>picture for the Tories though, is they still are navigating

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 16>a pretty fundamental identity crisis and brand crisis if you

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<v Speaker 16>just look at the gains that they had in twenty

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 16>nineteen and then the shillaking that they took in the

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 16>last election so here and what that's going to take

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<v Speaker 16>is some real change, I think, and courage to take

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<v Speaker 16>on the issues that a large portion of their constituency

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 16>feels disenfranchised from around immigration and trade and culture. Wars

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 16>and all of that, and so she has a real opportunity,

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 16>I think, to seize that. It's a wide opening in

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<v Speaker 16>terms of taking on those policy positions. And if she

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<v Speaker 16>does that, I think she has been received well and

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 16>she will have an opportunity to do that. If she doesn't,

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<v Speaker 16>then I think you're just going to continue to see

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 16>that fracturing and that sort of ternal civil war in

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 16>the Torries Party that we're seeing parallels of that in

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 16>the US and even here to some extent.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, Kosha Data, thank you so much, really appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>your time.

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Now still to come on the show.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 3>I've got exclusive polling on who labor voters think would

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.479
<v Speaker 3>be best to replace Alban Easy and these results are

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 3>going to make him very nervous. Also, former Ambassador to

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Washington Joe Hockey would join me just two days out

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 3>from the election. He gives his view on how Trump

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 3>and Harris are doing in the critical states. That interview

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<v Speaker 3>after this quick break, welcome back. Well, there aren't many

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Australians who've spent as much time with Donald Trump as

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 3>my next guest, Joe Hockey. When he was our ambassador

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 3>in Washington, he dealt with the US President often even

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 3>playing golf together.

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>He has very unique insights on how this election is

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<v Speaker 2>playing out. I spoke with him a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I started by asking him he agreed with the polls

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<v Speaker 3>that the two candidates are now deadlocked.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it appears to be deadlock, Sharry. It's the polls

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>haven't moved much at all since Kamala Harris took over

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>as the Democratic nominee. But I still feel that there

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>is what they're calling the shy Trump voter yet to appear,

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and they'll only appear after the ballots counted on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the moment, I think the polls are underestimating

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's vote.

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<v Speaker 2>As they have done in the past two elections.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's also talk that Harris may be successful in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's the case, what does that mean for Trump

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 3>and whether he would need to pick up more of

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 3>the other bluewell states.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I don't give much credence at all to that

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>one off poll. It's the trend that matters, and the

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>constant trend is that the numbers are deadlocked in the

0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>key states on Tuesday night. On election Night, I'll be

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>watching North Carolina very closely. That is a state that

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>will come in pretty early with its results. But I

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>just want to warn all of your viewers. So I'm

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>sure are going to be glued to the TV as

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:19.479
<v Speaker 1>you will be, and everyone will be on Wednesday your time.

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>It could take weeks for these results to come in.

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<v Speaker 1>I just caution everyone that it's going to Unless there

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>is a sweeping victory on Tuesday night, then it's going

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to take days, if not weeks, to get a result.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been speaking about the critical seats of Michigan and Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a really fascinating report on CNN I just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's interesting in itself that CNN is even running this,

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 3>but Harri speaking out of both sides of her mouth

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to the Middle East. She's running adverts

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 3>in Michigan saying she's not going to be silent about

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 3>the Palestinian suffering, and then running adverts in Pennsylvania that

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 3>she's always supported Israel right to defend itself. Does this

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<v Speaker 3>show that this particular issue could shift votes.

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<v Speaker 2>In these critical seats?

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<v Speaker 3>But also, what do you think it says about Harris

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>that she can run campaigns like this? How can either

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>side actually trust her?

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 7>Well?

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's part of the issue. As people form

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a judgment about Harris, they're going to look at not

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>only what she's promising, which I must say is very

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 1>light on, but it's what she's done that is the issue.

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And she has been a part of the Biden administration. Currently,

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>seventy three percent of Americans feel that the country is

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>heading in the wrong direction. Now, if you're an incumber

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>government anywhere with those sorts of numbers, you are finished.

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>And the challenge that Kamala Harris has faced is she's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to run as a new fresh face and yet

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>she is part of the incumbency. Something illustrates it better

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>than the fact that she is trying to walk both

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:09.239
<v Speaker 1>sides of the fence in relation to Israel and the

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>war in Gaza and the war against Hezbollah. The fact

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>is there are four hundred thousand crucial Islamic votes in Michigan,

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and if they choose not to vote, it's highly unlikely

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>they will vote for Donald Trump. But he did reach

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>out to them the other day. But if they choose

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>not to vote, then that is going to cost Harris

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>probably Michigan overall, and it may even lead to her

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>losing the overall election.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, do you think Kamala Harris has properly addressed concerns

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 3>about how her administration would be different from the Biden

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 3>administration and also her flip flopping positions over the years,

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 3>whether it's on fracking, on prisoners, transitioning, on taxpayer funds,

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 3>on the Middle East, and in a sense, perhaps is

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 3>she lucky that she's had such a shot campaign window

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 3>because the longer we go on, it seems like the

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 3>honeymoon is fading.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's right.

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 1>It actually has helped her to have a short campaign

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>because she hasn't come under the sort of policy scrutiny

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump or Joe Biden or most other candidates

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>would have faced at the moment. If you were to

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 1>ask the average voter, what is Kamala Harris's tax policy,

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>what is her border policy? Even what is her policy

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>on the Middle East? You wouldn't be able to get answers.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>The main focus of Harris' voters is that Kamala Harris

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is not Donald Trump, and she has built a coalition

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:52.320
<v Speaker 1>of Andy Trumper's that stretch from Liz Cheney on the right,

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 1>and Liz Cheney is right wing, a Republican right through

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>to Bernie sand As an AOC on the left. Now,

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that is a very broad coalition. The only thing that

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>unites all of those people is that they despise Donald Trump.

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Whereas Donald Trump has focused on policies lower taxes, less regulation.

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with him, but he wants to introduce

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>an increased tariffs, he wants to rebuild the border wall,

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and he wants to move illegals out of the United States.

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 1>He wants to open up the energy opportunities of the

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>United States. He actually has quite a wide policy platform.

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.320
<v Speaker 1>And so in response to that, you've got Elon Musk

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>on one side of his support base, and you've got

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the Teamster's Truck Driving Union, which has always supported the

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party on the other side. Seventy percent of the

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>members truck drivers of America. Most of them, if not

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 1>almost all of them, have never gone to university. They're

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:02.959
<v Speaker 1>hard working, blue collar workers. Seventy percent of the union

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>members voted to support Donald Trump ahead of Harris. And

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>so Trump's coalition is built on policy. Harris's coalition is

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>built on not being Donald Trump.

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Just finally, Joe Trump is said to have targeted the

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 3>young male voter through podcasts like Joe Rogan, but our

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 3>female voters coming out to support Harris like the Democrats

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 3>were relying on, well.

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, Sharri. The thing is this, Donald Trump won

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>more white women in twenty sixteen than Hillary Clinton. He

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>won the votes of more white women than Joe Biden

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty. In both elections, they knew that was abortion,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that abortion under Donald Trump, with the Supreme Court appointed

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>by the Republicans, would refer power back to the States.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>So the abortion policy was pretty settle. The question is

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>are those people now really changing on the issue of abortion.

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>And what Harris is doing is she is targeting. She

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>was targeting at first young people on campuses to get

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>them to vote, but she has now changed tack and

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>focused on young women. And what they've found is that

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>all the Democratic efforts to win over young men were

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>failing and they were turning to Donald Trump. So there

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.879
<v Speaker 1>is a battle of the sexes in this election, more

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>pronounced than almost any other election in American history. But

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I am still a little skeptical as to whether those

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>issues that influence the sexual divide are going to be

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 1>the issues that are actually going to materially change the

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>level of support for Trump and Harris Lor.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 3>Joe, I hope it's not a week long wait for

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 3>the results or more. As you've suggested, it'll drive us

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 3>all crazy. Joe Hockey, thank you very much for your time.

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much.

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<v Speaker 17>Hey you.

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<v Speaker 3>And right after the break, brand new polling on who

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<v Speaker 3>Labor voters want to replace alban Easy that exclusive polling

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<v Speaker 3>right after this break. Plus why are bureaucrats playing council

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<v Speaker 3>culture with the Australian flag.

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<v Speaker 2>That's after this break. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well we've got exclusive polling now and it shows that

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<v Speaker 3>when Labor voters were asked who they could choose if

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<v Speaker 3>they if the party could choose a different leader from

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albanisi, who would they like to pick? And the

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<v Speaker 3>Labor figure who came out on top was Treasurer Jim

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<v Speaker 3>Chalmers with twenty one percent of voters choosing him. He

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<v Speaker 3>was followed by Danya Plibasek with seventeen percent of Labor

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 3>voters choosing her. Tony Burke, who fancies himself a future

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<v Speaker 3>leader don't know why, had only five percent of support

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.320
<v Speaker 3>from Labor voters surveyed. About half of the voters actually

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know who to pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bring it now.

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<v Speaker 3>Labor figure and GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner who's in London,

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<v Speaker 3>and Farmer Howard advisor David Gazard. Cameron, your firm commissioned

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<v Speaker 3>this polling. What does it tell us about how voters

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<v Speaker 3>view the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, the results aren't good for Albow because cost of

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<v Speaker 15>living is the number one issue for Australians and then

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 15>there's daylight. But two thirds of those people hold don't

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<v Speaker 15>think Labor's doing a good job on cost of living.

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 15>They think they're doing a terrible or poor job. So

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<v Speaker 15>every time Lane tries to get the message out in

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 15>cost of living, there's another Albo fiasco, another buying a

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 15>million dollar house or a Connus upgrade. It's crowding up

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 15>the message. And so what we pold was whether Labor

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 15>voters wanted to see someone else than Elbow. And as

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<v Speaker 15>we saw clearly head and shoulders Jim Chalmers and Tenny

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<v Speaker 15>plebersek streets in front of the other leadership contenders if

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<v Speaker 15>Albo was not to be the leader.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and yet you have leadership rumblings. I mean people

0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 3>talk about Jason Clair, they talk about Tony Burke. We

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<v Speaker 3>going to this poll No One, not even Labor voters

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<v Speaker 3>five percent want those two figures David desired. There was

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<v Speaker 3>a three point left in the coalition's primary voter clotting

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<v Speaker 3>to this pole, taking it to thirty nine percent. So

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<v Speaker 3>it still needs to get a bit higher for Dutton

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<v Speaker 3>to be in a governing position. But in terms of voters, well,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't give Dutton a glowing endorsement either, so do

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<v Speaker 3>you think he needs to improve his image as well?

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<v Speaker 6>The coalition's figures are inching higher with each polling cycle,

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<v Speaker 6>so I don't think anyone will be particularly alarmed with that.

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<v Speaker 6>And bear in mind that there has only been one

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<v Speaker 6>one term government in Australia's history, that was the nineteen

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 6>thirty one scull And government, so it would buck historical

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<v Speaker 6>odds for Dutton to get over the line this time.

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<v Speaker 6>That said, he inches closer and closer and closer, and

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<v Speaker 6>the voters have yet to really switch on in this campaign,

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<v Speaker 6>so it will be down to him to line a

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<v Speaker 6>series of policies that will go to cost a living

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<v Speaker 6>to get in touch with people when they switch on

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<v Speaker 6>into this campaign. So I think everything is going in

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<v Speaker 6>Peter Dutton and the Coalition's favor in this selection, although

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 6>it is very very tight, but tighter than you would

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<v Speaker 6>expect in a first term Albanesi government.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's amazing that, as you say, it's been nearly

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred years since there was a one term labor

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 3>government and yet Albin Easy will be fighting to hold

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<v Speaker 3>onto power now. James Patterson has grilled the Home's Home

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Affair Secretary in the Senate today, criticizing her priorities after

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<v Speaker 3>the Australian flag was dumped from photographs on their website. Cameron,

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<v Speaker 3>We've got national security, border protection issues, community safety, yet

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 3>this is their priority, dumping the Australian flag.

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<v Speaker 15>Well it's a victory for the wife, isn't it. And

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<v Speaker 15>no doubt they had focus groups and they took off site,

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<v Speaker 15>off site dat studies to see whether the austrain flag.

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<v Speaker 8>Should be removed.

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<v Speaker 15>Look, the public service should be doing one job and

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<v Speaker 15>one job only. It should be tacking cost of living,

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<v Speaker 15>not doing things like taking the Australian flag away, especially

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<v Speaker 15>as you say, at a time of heightened national security,

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<v Speaker 15>national unity, and the Australian flag represents all that. So

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 15>the public service are off on their own work agenda

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<v Speaker 15>here and it's not good.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here was the official responding to James Patterson's questioning,

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<v Speaker 3>have a look.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll play you that grab when we've got it.

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<v Speaker 18>Now, have a look, the secretary, I couldn't help but

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<v Speaker 18>notice that there was a change recently in the photographs

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<v Speaker 18>of senior departmental officials on the Home Affairs website. Are

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<v Speaker 18>you familiar with that change?

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<v Speaker 9>There's some time ago I asked my staff to redo

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<v Speaker 9>the photographs of the senior executive without flags in the background.

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<v Speaker 9>Is that the change you're referring to?

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, yes, So sometime between July and August, we noticed

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<v Speaker 18>that the headshots of yourself another senior officials in the

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 18>department previously had the Australian national flag as well as

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<v Speaker 18>the Aboriginal Torres state island the flags in the headshot,

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<v Speaker 18>and then after that period they're no longer in the headshot.

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<v Speaker 18>What was the reason for removing the flags from the headshots?

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<v Speaker 9>I wanted to have photos that were less formal.

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<v Speaker 3>It does such a sensational job, James Patterson, but you'd

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 3>have to think this is just counsel culture gone mad.

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 3>When the Home Affairs Department removes Australian flags, it's absolutely ridiculous.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:43.240
<v Speaker 2>David Gazard.

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 3>As we speak, Israel is on standby for Iran threatening

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<v Speaker 3>to another retaliation strike. There are concerns that this is

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 3>going to happen in the next forty eight hours. I mean,

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Iran has said in media reports that they plant it

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 3>hit Israel again.

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Before the US election.

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 3>The US has implored them not to take that action.

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<v Speaker 3>David Gazard, this is really worrying. You know, it's hard

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 3>to know what exactly to believe, but we are seeing

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 3>reports that Iran is preparing its ballistic missiles once again.

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<v Speaker 6>It looks it's consistent with the timing of the US election.

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<v Speaker 6>That would be point number one that I'd make if

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<v Speaker 6>they do anything they want to get in before the

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<v Speaker 6>election lest they face the wrath of a possible Trump election.

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<v Speaker 6>The other thing I would, though, say, is that Iran

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<v Speaker 6>has talked a big game throughout the last year, and

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 6>it's been happy to let its proxies in Hamas and

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 6>Hezbala do all the wet work, which makes you wonder

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 6>what's in it for Hamas and hez Balat they have

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 6>They've endured all the carbage doing all the work for Iram.

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<v Speaker 6>The other point I'd make is this. Iran would have

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<v Speaker 6>to be very mindful of what Israel has done through

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 6>superb work, through its intelligence agencies and its operatives, and

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 6>they would be thinking at the moment, well, if we

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 6>strike Israel, what may happen to us? So I've watched

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 6>Iran for months now. They talk a big game and

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 6>it's never followed up. Instead, they leave all the work

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 6>to its proxies who endure all the damage, which makes

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 6>you wonder why people in Lebanon and in Gaza continue

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 6>to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm very concerned about this because you know, you're right,

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.320
<v Speaker 3>they do have left a lot to the proxies.

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 2>But we have seen two direct attacks from.

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Iran to Israel, which is unprecedented, and you know, I

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 3>think we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Need strong US leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>It's why this election is so critical for all of

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 3>us in the West, because you've got these Ayatolas who

0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.840
<v Speaker 3>are in boldened. They really shook Israel with US last attack,

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:04.320
<v Speaker 3>and then all you see from Joe Biden and Kamala

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Harris's oh ceasefire. Let Iran continue to amass its nuclear capabilities,

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 3>continue to develop its nuclear capabilities. You know, eventually the

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 3>US and Israel will have to deal with that, will

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 3>have to target the nuclear sites, because what are we

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 3>going to do sit back here and let them develop

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 3>a nuclear weapon that would affect all of us in

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:28.719
<v Speaker 3>the West. It's insanity, Cameron, Just quickly before we go,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get your opinion on this. Albanesi's election

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 3>style performance yesterday in Adelaide.

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 2>He didn't give an interview for five.

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Days, he was hiding from the media because of the

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 3>upgrade scandal, and then we see him come out and

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 3>basically declare that the cost of living crisis is all

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 3>but over.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think of that?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, it was Albers's mission accomplished moment, wasn't it. Whether

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 15>it's a crowd of faithful ALP members rather than the

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 15>scrutiny of the media pack. This is how he wants

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 15>to communicate, but it's not cutting through. Voters are speaking.

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 15>As we saw in our whole sharing up. Albanie has

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 15>a huge problem with credibility with voters on the issue

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 15>of cotts. A living and a set speech in Adelaide

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 15>is not going to fix that for him. Nor's cunning

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 15>heckstep for university elites.

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, Cameron Milner in London, David Gazzard. Thank

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 3>you both so much. Now still to come, Daniel Andrews

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 3>says Jewish donors should stop funding creative endeavors that have

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 3>refused to denounce anti Semitism.

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Talk about that in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has urged Jewish philanthropists to

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 3>stop funding groups that have refused to condemn both anti

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Semitism and the October seven attacks. This comes after Jewish

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 3>artists and causes have been frozen out by so called progressives. Well,

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 3>we talk about this, but I think we do need

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.800
<v Speaker 3>to support businesses and productions that do give a voice

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 3>to those that the left currently freezing out. And one

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 3>production that hasn't got the attention it would normally receive

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 3>from the left, and it deals with issues of gender identity,

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 3>is called Yental. It's on at the Opera House and

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:16.240
<v Speaker 3>it's in direct response to the doxing of six hundred

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 3>creatives and the Prohamas rally of course that took place

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.800
<v Speaker 3>on the Opera House on October nine. And I'm joined

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 3>now by director and co writer of Yental, Gary Abrahams.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary, good to see you now.

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<v Speaker 3>You've specifically held this at the Opera House as a

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.760
<v Speaker 3>means to symbolically take it back.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think.

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 3>You're not getting the support that you should be for

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 3>this production given it does deal with a lot of

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 3>causes that are central to the left.

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<v Speaker 19>Well, I think there's just an enormous discomfort and sort

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:53.280
<v Speaker 19>of uncomfortability that people have with Jewish content and Jewish

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 19>stories at the moment. We premiered this play in twenty

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 19>twenty two, so long before any of the political up

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 19>people that we're sort of facing now, and we had

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 19>an extraordinary action to it the first time round. The

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:08.240
<v Speaker 19>production guarded numerous awards. It was named by the Guardian

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:12.280
<v Speaker 19>antaim Art as one of the best shows in Australia.

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<v Speaker 5>Know of the year.

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<v Speaker 19>We then had it programmed at the malt House Theater

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 19>in earlier this year in March, and that was obviously

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 19>after October seven, and that's when we started to feel

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:24.800
<v Speaker 19>the discomfort within the industry and within the cultural sector

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 19>around any material that deals with Jewish themes and Jewish content.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is reflected across the broader art space.

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Are you concerned Jewish voices and the arts are being erased?

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<v Speaker 19>I think a lot of Jewish artists right now are

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 19>feeling like they've been pushed into a very, very tough corner.

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 19>A lot of the conversation within cultural circles over the

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.759
<v Speaker 19>past decade or so have been around who has the

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 19>right to tell whose stories. So there's a lot of

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 19>very very careful consideration around who gets to direct, who

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 19>gets to write, who gets to tell whose stories. And

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 19>I think many Jewish creatives feel that they've been pushed

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 19>into a box where they're only allowed to tell Jewish

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.879
<v Speaker 19>stories at a time when no main stage companies are

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 19>wanting to tell Jewish stories, and there is this discomfort

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:13.719
<v Speaker 19>around that.

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 3>And then we've also seen a lot of Jewish artists

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.719
<v Speaker 3>being grilled over what their position is on the war

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.399
<v Speaker 3>before anyone would support them.

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 2>It's utterly outrageous.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Gary, thank you for your time, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Entil season has been extended until the seventeenth of November.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't give a personal recommendation, I haven't seen it,

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 3>but for more info go to the Upper House website.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's all we've got time for tonight. If you

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 3>want to catch up with any of my interviews on

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 3>the US election tonight, Joe Hockey in particular, our former Ambassador.

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 3>You can head to the Sky News website to have

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.240
<v Speaker 3>a look at that Ross Greenwood as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Every night this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to bring interviews live from the US, Big Interviews,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're right up to date with what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. And no one will

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<v Speaker 3>know more than Paul Murray, who right now is live

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<v Speaker 3>in Dallas in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>See you tomorrow at eight pm.