WEBVTT - The Trial: Servo snack stop

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<v Speaker 1>Today in the trial of Aaron Patterson, police officer Kwang

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<v Speaker 1>Tran took to the stand to show the jury some

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<v Speaker 1>CCTV of a service station on the South Gippsland Highway

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<v Speaker 1>in Coldermeined. It's one of those modern servos with a

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<v Speaker 1>macas and a parking area. You can just about see

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<v Speaker 1>from space in the footage, a little red MG car

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<v Speaker 1>pulls up outside the entry to the building. Dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>a gray top and cream pants, Aaron walks in and

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the ladies. Nine seconds later she exits. She

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<v Speaker 1>browses the food section, purchases items and then leaves. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a typical visit to a typical servo that could happen

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in country Australia. But this visit happened on July thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, one day after the beef Wellington lunch

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<v Speaker 1>that led to the deaths of three people and the

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<v Speaker 1>charges of murder against the person who cooked the meal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brook Greebert Craig, and this is the Mushroom Cook.

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<v Speaker 1>We've just finished day fifteen of Aaron Patterson's trial, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here as always with my colleague and court reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Placella.

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<v Speaker 2>Another day, another podcast episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it is. It was a full day in court,

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<v Speaker 1>but majority of the day we heard again from doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Sirall, who continued his evidence from yesterday, but more

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<v Speaker 1>on him later. At the top of the episode, our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners heard about CCTV that was pulled from a BP

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<v Speaker 1>service station.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, but let's just take a step back for

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<v Speaker 2>a second and give our listeners a little bit more context.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a while a few episodes actually, since we've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about the events following the lunch. We've been spending

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<v Speaker 2>time focusing on phone records from the months before the

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<v Speaker 2>lunch and some scientific evidence about the leftovers from a

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<v Speaker 2>month after the lunch. So let's bring it back to

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<v Speaker 2>this meal. On July twenty nine, the court heard evidence

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks ago from Aaron's Sun who spoke about the

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<v Speaker 2>day's following that meal and what he remembers. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that the day after lunch, on July thirty, he woke

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<v Speaker 2>up and went into the kitchen where he saw his

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<v Speaker 2>mum drinking a coffee. He said that she told him

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<v Speaker 2>she had been unwell throughout the night, was feeling a

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<v Speaker 2>bit sick and had experienced diarrhea, and the court heard

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<v Speaker 2>they would not be going to church that Sunday like

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<v Speaker 2>they usually do, but our listeners might remember that her

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<v Speaker 2>son was taking flying lessons and one of those lessons

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<v Speaker 2>was booked for that Sunday. Her son explained that he

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<v Speaker 2>told his mom there was no pressure for her to

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<v Speaker 2>take him to this flying lesson, considering she was sick,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said that she insisted she would still take him.

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<v Speaker 2>So the jury heard that later that afternoon they set

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<v Speaker 2>off for the lesson, which is in Taiab, a town

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<v Speaker 2>in the Mornington Peninsula, which is over an hour's drive

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<v Speaker 2>from where they live in Leengatha. And on the way

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<v Speaker 2>they stopped at this BP service station in Cold Meat,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is where the CCTV footage was obtained. As

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned earlier, Brooke, the jury heard today from Senior

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<v Speaker 2>Constable Quang Tran from the homicide squad, who said he

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<v Speaker 2>obtained the CCTV footage in August. That footage was then

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<v Speaker 2>played to the jury in the prosecution opening a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. The jury heard that that day she purchased

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<v Speaker 2>some sour confectionery, a ham, cheese and tomato sandwich, and

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<v Speaker 2>a sweet chili chicken rut. After three minutes, she left

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<v Speaker 2>the service station, but it was a short cameo by

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<v Speaker 2>Constable Tran. After this CCTV footage was played to the jury,

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<v Speaker 2>his evidence was done for the day and the jury

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<v Speaker 2>went home, but were expected to hear from him at

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<v Speaker 2>a later stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that brings me back to doctor Serrell, the digital

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<v Speaker 1>forensic expert the jury heard from yesterday. He was cross

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<v Speaker 1>examined by Aaron's defense barrister Colin Mandy sc today.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard yesterday that he specializes in mobile phone network

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<v Speaker 2>data and he really did give the jurors a lesson

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<v Speaker 2>in the mobile phone network and how it all works.

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<v Speaker 2>He confirmed that he had received years of phone records

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<v Speaker 2>relating to a handset belonging to Erin, and yesterday he

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<v Speaker 2>was questioned about these records, in particular certain dates in

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<v Speaker 2>April and May twenty twenty three. Today, as you mentioned, Brooke,

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<v Speaker 2>he was cross examined by the defense. They attempted to

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<v Speaker 2>cast out on the opinions that doctor Cerel had drawn

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<v Speaker 2>from these records. One of the first dates that doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Sorel was brought to was April twenty eight, twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>To give some context, around this date. This is ten

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<v Speaker 2>days after Christine McKenzie, who we heard from yesterday, posted

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<v Speaker 2>on our naturalist and observation of deathcat mushrooms growing near

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<v Speaker 2>an oval in Locke. Doctor Sorel told the court yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>that it was his opinion that Erin's phone made a

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<v Speaker 2>possible visit to Locke on April twenty eight, so again,

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<v Speaker 2>ten days after this post was made. Mister Mandy questioned

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<v Speaker 2>him today about that opinion, and doctor Soerell agreed with

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<v Speaker 2>mister Mandy that there were no records that he had

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<v Speaker 2>that showed the phone was definitively in the boundary of

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<v Speaker 2>the Locke township. He did go on to say, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that the records did show that the phone was certainly

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<v Speaker 2>to the east of the township. In a very similar fashion,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Mandy also asked doctor Sorel questions around one of

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<v Speaker 2>the other dates he was asked to analyze of Erin's

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<v Speaker 2>phone records, and this was May twenty two. This was

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<v Speaker 2>one day after mycologist doctor Tom May hosted a citing

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<v Speaker 2>of deathcat mushrooms in Outram on May twenty one. Mister

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<v Speaker 2>Mandy put a proposition to doctor Soerell today around that

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<v Speaker 2>date and asked whether Erin's phone records were consistent with

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<v Speaker 2>the proposition that the phone moved from lee Gatha down

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<v Speaker 2>the Bass Highway heading to Inverlocke and at some point

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<v Speaker 2>stopped for a period of time. Doctor Serell thought about

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<v Speaker 2>this hypothetical for a bit and he said he had

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<v Speaker 2>a concern with it, which was that there was one

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<v Speaker 2>base station. Just to remind our listeners, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>technical term for a telephone tower. He said that there

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<v Speaker 2>was no connection with the Kongwak base station during that journey,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said that was an anomaly with mister Mandy's proposition. However,

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<v Speaker 2>he did agree though with the defense that there remained

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<v Speaker 2>a possibility that the mobile phone did not enter the

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<v Speaker 2>Outram postcode on that day.

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<v Speaker 1>So all this evidence sounds a little bit confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's safe to say that today was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>another dense day of evidence. But if I can put

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<v Speaker 2>it like this, during his evidence in chief yesterday, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Cerel spoke about the possible visits that could have been

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<v Speaker 2>made to these areas by Erin's phone on a number

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<v Speaker 2>of days. Today, when it came to his cross examination,

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<v Speaker 2>he was really speaking about the fact that just because

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<v Speaker 2>these could be possible visits, it didn't mean that there

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<v Speaker 2>weren't other possibilities or other possible types of visits her

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<v Speaker 2>phone could have made on these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes sense now. And on a lighter note,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a little intruder in the courtroom today.

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<v Speaker 2>We did. It definitely broke up the evidence from doctor Serral,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it was just momentarily. There was a little

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<v Speaker 2>beetle that was crawling on the microphone that he was

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<v Speaker 2>speaking into in the witness box, and it managed to

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<v Speaker 2>catch his attention and he kind of stopped mid sentence

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<v Speaker 2>and told the court there's a nice little beetle crawling

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<v Speaker 2>across my microphone, which got some laughs from the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and then soon after that his evidence continued.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we did have a little chuckle with that. We

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<v Speaker 1>will be back tomorrow, but in the meantime go to

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<v Speaker 1>the mushroomcook dot com dot au to stay updated on

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<v Speaker 1>this case.