1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Today in the trial of Aaron Patterson, police officer Kwang 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Tran took to the stand to show the jury some 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: CCTV of a service station on the South Gippsland Highway 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: in Coldermeined. It's one of those modern servos with a 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: macas and a parking area. You can just about see 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: from space in the footage, a little red MG car 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: pulls up outside the entry to the building. Dressed in 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: a gray top and cream pants, Aaron walks in and 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: goes to the ladies. Nine seconds later she exits. She 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: browses the food section, purchases items and then leaves. It's 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: a typical visit to a typical servo that could happen 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: anywhere in country Australia. But this visit happened on July thirty, 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, one day after the beef Wellington lunch 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: that led to the deaths of three people and the 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: charges of murder against the person who cooked the meal. 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm Brook Greebert Craig, and this is the Mushroom Cook. 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: We've just finished day fifteen of Aaron Patterson's trial, and 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm here as always with my colleague and court reporter 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Laura Placella. 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Another day, another podcast episode. 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Yes it is. It was a full day in court, 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: but majority of the day we heard again from doctor 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Matthew Sirall, who continued his evidence from yesterday, but more 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: on him later. At the top of the episode, our 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: listeners heard about CCTV that was pulled from a BP 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: service station. 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: That's right, but let's just take a step back for 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: a second and give our listeners a little bit more context. 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: It's been a while a few episodes actually, since we've 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: spoken about the events following the lunch. We've been spending 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: time focusing on phone records from the months before the 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: lunch and some scientific evidence about the leftovers from a 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: month after the lunch. So let's bring it back to 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: this meal. On July twenty nine, the court heard evidence 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: two weeks ago from Aaron's Sun who spoke about the 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: day's following that meal and what he remembers. He said 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: that the day after lunch, on July thirty, he woke 38 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: up and went into the kitchen where he saw his 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: mum drinking a coffee. He said that she told him 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: she had been unwell throughout the night, was feeling a 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: bit sick and had experienced diarrhea, and the court heard 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: they would not be going to church that Sunday like 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: they usually do, but our listeners might remember that her 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: son was taking flying lessons and one of those lessons 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: was booked for that Sunday. Her son explained that he 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: told his mom there was no pressure for her to 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: take him to this flying lesson, considering she was sick, 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: but he said that she insisted she would still take him. 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: So the jury heard that later that afternoon they set 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: off for the lesson, which is in Taiab, a town 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: in the Mornington Peninsula, which is over an hour's drive 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: from where they live in Leengatha. And on the way 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: they stopped at this BP service station in Cold Meat, 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: and this is where the CCTV footage was obtained. As 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, Brooke, the jury heard today from Senior 56 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: Constable Quang Tran from the homicide squad, who said he 57 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: obtained the CCTV footage in August. That footage was then 58 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: played to the jury in the prosecution opening a few 59 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: weeks ago. The jury heard that that day she purchased 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: some sour confectionery, a ham, cheese and tomato sandwich, and 61 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: a sweet chili chicken rut. After three minutes, she left 62 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: the service station, but it was a short cameo by 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: Constable Tran. After this CCTV footage was played to the jury, 64 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: his evidence was done for the day and the jury 65 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: went home, but were expected to hear from him at 66 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: a later stage. 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: Now that brings me back to doctor Serrell, the digital 68 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: forensic expert the jury heard from yesterday. He was cross 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: examined by Aaron's defense barrister Colin Mandy sc today. 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: We heard yesterday that he specializes in mobile phone network 71 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: data and he really did give the jurors a lesson 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: in the mobile phone network and how it all works. 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: He confirmed that he had received years of phone records 74 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: relating to a handset belonging to Erin, and yesterday he 75 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: was questioned about these records, in particular certain dates in 76 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 2: April and May twenty twenty three. Today, as you mentioned, Brooke, 77 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: he was cross examined by the defense. They attempted to 78 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: cast out on the opinions that doctor Cerel had drawn 79 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: from these records. One of the first dates that doctor 80 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: Sorel was brought to was April twenty eight, twenty twenty three. 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: To give some context, around this date. This is ten 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: days after Christine McKenzie, who we heard from yesterday, posted 83 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: on our naturalist and observation of deathcat mushrooms growing near 84 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: an oval in Locke. Doctor Sorel told the court yesterday 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: that it was his opinion that Erin's phone made a 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: possible visit to Locke on April twenty eight, so again, 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: ten days after this post was made. Mister Mandy questioned 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: him today about that opinion, and doctor Soerell agreed with 89 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: mister Mandy that there were no records that he had 90 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: that showed the phone was definitively in the boundary of 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: the Locke township. He did go on to say, though, 92 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: that the records did show that the phone was certainly 93 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: to the east of the township. In a very similar fashion, 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: mister Mandy also asked doctor Sorel questions around one of 95 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: the other dates he was asked to analyze of Erin's 96 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: phone records, and this was May twenty two. This was 97 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: one day after mycologist doctor Tom May hosted a citing 98 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: of deathcat mushrooms in Outram on May twenty one. Mister 99 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: Mandy put a proposition to doctor Soerell today around that 100 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: date and asked whether Erin's phone records were consistent with 101 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: the proposition that the phone moved from lee Gatha down 102 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: the Bass Highway heading to Inverlocke and at some point 103 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: stopped for a period of time. Doctor Serell thought about 104 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: this hypothetical for a bit and he said he had 105 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: a concern with it, which was that there was one 106 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: base station. Just to remind our listeners, this is the 107 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: technical term for a telephone tower. He said that there 108 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: was no connection with the Kongwak base station during that journey, 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 2: and he said that was an anomaly with mister Mandy's proposition. However, 110 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: he did agree though with the defense that there remained 111 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: a possibility that the mobile phone did not enter the 112 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: Outram postcode on that day. 113 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: So all this evidence sounds a little bit confusing. 114 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's safe to say that today was definitely 115 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: another dense day of evidence. But if I can put 116 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: it like this, during his evidence in chief yesterday, doctor 117 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: Cerel spoke about the possible visits that could have been 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: made to these areas by Erin's phone on a number 119 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: of days. Today, when it came to his cross examination, 120 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: he was really speaking about the fact that just because 121 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: these could be possible visits, it didn't mean that there 122 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: weren't other possibilities or other possible types of visits her 123 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: phone could have made on these days. 124 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense now. And on a lighter note, 125 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: we had a little intruder in the courtroom today. 126 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: We did. It definitely broke up the evidence from doctor Serral, 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: even if it was just momentarily. There was a little 128 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: beetle that was crawling on the microphone that he was 129 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: speaking into in the witness box, and it managed to 130 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: catch his attention and he kind of stopped mid sentence 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: and told the court there's a nice little beetle crawling 132 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: across my microphone, which got some laughs from the courtroom, 133 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: and then soon after that his evidence continued. 134 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Yes, we did have a little chuckle with that. We 135 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow, but in the meantime go to 136 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: the mushroomcook dot com dot au to stay updated on 137 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: this case.