Speaker 1: Doctor Jody, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: Craig, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm actually really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, I'm not like it's I'm good today.
Speaker 3: A couple of days ago had a bit of an
Speaker 3: incident that really threw me for a six But generally speaking,
Speaker 3: most days I'm coping pretty well, feeling pretty fit and healthy,
Speaker 3: and feeling like I'm getting on top of most things.
Speaker 3: So I've just become more accepting of the fact that
Speaker 3: I have so many things that I have to leave
Speaker 3: unfinished when I move on to something else and just
Speaker 3: try to get done what's most important. And that has
Speaker 3: helped with kind of my headspace because I used to
Speaker 3: just struggle if I couldn't tie off loose ends all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Could you give us without divulging state secrets or anything
Speaker 1: you don't want to, but I like this. I don't
Speaker 1: think we've spoken about this, the idea of leaving leaving
Speaker 1: things that are in complete or like for right now,
Speaker 1: we can't put a bow on it, so we've got
Speaker 1: to move on. Can you give us an example, even
Speaker 1: if it's a hypothetical.
Speaker 2: I can Oh, you.
Speaker 3: Know me, Craig I'm always happy to talk about what's
Speaker 3: going on. Oh, how many examples do you want? There's
Speaker 3: a lot of loose ends. I'll give you an example
Speaker 3: from today. So I am working on just updating my
Speaker 3: speaker kit so that it is representative of where I'm
Speaker 3: at with new presentations and testimonials and all of that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. And I've had it graphically designed, and
Speaker 3: now I'm in the tweaking phase. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you're into a bit of tweaking when you get something done.
Speaker 3: And I had a client call, so i was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: just get this done. I'll just get this done on
Speaker 3: just get this done. I'm looking at the clock, going
Speaker 3: there is no one I'm finishing this thing in the
Speaker 3: next six minutes. I'm like, right, put it aside, get
Speaker 3: prepared for your client call. Had a great chat with
Speaker 3: a client, finished that about twenty minutes ago, and then
Speaker 3: took a phone call from my mum, had a chat
Speaker 3: with my daughter who's home, and got ready for this.
Speaker 3: And so when this, when we finish here today, I'll
Speaker 3: go back and do another ten minutes on that and
Speaker 3: then I'll be leaving again.
Speaker 2: So that's just one example, but there are many.
Speaker 1: Is there? Does it if you have to leave things
Speaker 1: somewhat incomplete temporarily or up in the air, is that
Speaker 1: a source of anxiety?
Speaker 3: It really is, like I can actually feel my heart
Speaker 3: racing or just beating a little bit faster just talking about.
Speaker 2: I really don't like it.
Speaker 3: But I was complaining a bit about it about a
Speaker 3: month ago.
Speaker 2: It was just really bothering me.
Speaker 3: But when I spoke to a few friends who you know,
Speaker 3: lived similar kind of lives, just sort of got the
Speaker 3: impression that it was bothering me more than it was
Speaker 3: bothering other people I talked to. And there's no real
Speaker 3: solution for this. This is not something that you can change.
Speaker 3: When you work for yourself and you're a parent and
Speaker 3: you try to keep yourself fit and healthy and well,
Speaker 3: and parents' appointments who might need driving somewhere, and kids
Speaker 3: are getting braces, and all of the things that interrupt
Speaker 3: kind of the flow. It's not like I'm sitting at
Speaker 3: a desk, you know, or in a workplace where I
Speaker 3: can solely focus. I have lots of other responsibilities, and
Speaker 3: so I've got to the point where it is what
Speaker 3: it is, and that acceptance has helped for the most
Speaker 3: part because.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Talking to Tiff yesterday actually on her potty, and I
Speaker 3: think of it like sort of taking different hats, you know,
Speaker 3: taking one half hat off and putting a different hat on.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, what's going on now? The parent hat
Speaker 3: or the uber driving everyone everywhere hat, or the you know,
Speaker 3: the work hat, whatever it is, Frather, it'd be different.
Speaker 3: But I also love the life I live and it
Speaker 3: comes with a lot of highs and a lot of
Speaker 3: responsibilities and a lot of enjoyment, and so I wouldn't
Speaker 3: change it. But yeah, the loose ends do make me anxious, definitely.
Speaker 1: I've got a question for you which I think is
Speaker 1: broadly relevant. So we all get a bit anxious, we
Speaker 1: all overthink a bit, we all get a little bit
Speaker 1: distracted or distressed or a combination thereof and other things.
Speaker 1: But then a lot of us have to temporarily put
Speaker 1: that on hold and then step into an appointment, a
Speaker 1: zoom meeting, a job, a responsibility. It's like, if I've
Speaker 1: got an appointment with you at one thirty, which I
Speaker 1: do today, and at one twenty six, the ass is
Speaker 1: falling out of my world. Bad luck, yes, bad luck.
Speaker 3: Ups.
Speaker 1: If I'm cracking the shits at one twenty four, or
Speaker 1: I'm having a bad time at one twenty two. I
Speaker 1: have to do my very best, which wasn't happening today, thankfully,
Speaker 1: but it does happen, and then you know, okay, so
Speaker 1: at one twenty six, sorry, at one thirty today, for example,
Speaker 1: I have to step into this space with you and
Speaker 1: do my very best to be present, to be interesting,
Speaker 1: to be relevant, to be mindful, and to hopefully create
Speaker 1: something with you that is good for people to listen to.
Speaker 1: And I need to get out of my own bullshit
Speaker 1: for a moment, right, So my question is is there
Speaker 1: a protocol that you have or that you can share
Speaker 1: with us, because obviously we don't want to. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you show up for work and you've had
Speaker 1: a bad morning with the kids or whatever. You don't
Speaker 1: want to bring that to work. But also also you're
Speaker 1: human and you feel what you feel, So good luck
Speaker 1: answering that.
Speaker 2: Doc My gosh.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the first part of the question was, and look,
Speaker 3: you can I just tell you one thing, like it
Speaker 3: is not just me, like it is all of us,
Speaker 3: Like what you just said, it is life. It's being
Speaker 3: a grown up and sometimes I literally say to myself,
Speaker 3: just grow up, just you know, like, because there's a
Speaker 3: little part of me that's having a little tantrum because
Speaker 3: I don't get to finish what it is I need
Speaker 3: to be doing in that moment. And then I stop
Speaker 3: and think, and this is this is my protocol that
Speaker 3: I use. I think, right, what is the most important
Speaker 3: thing for me to be doing now? Not what am
Speaker 3: I going to be chipping away out? Because I feel
Speaker 3: anxious about something being unfinished, and I ask myself what's
Speaker 3: most important? And the other thing Sometimes when I find
Speaker 3: myself spending time on something that like I'm presenting this afternoon,
Speaker 3: for example, I'm doing a virtual presentation this afternoon, and
Speaker 3: I'm all prepared for it, but on the day of
Speaker 3: the presentation, all the day before the presentation, I'm always
Speaker 3: going back to my notes, what deliverables I've promised on,
Speaker 3: exactly what I'm presenting, you know, just getting in the moment,
Speaker 3: getting in the flow. And when I was working on
Speaker 3: the speaker it this morning, I'm thinking, right, when do
Speaker 3: I have to have this done by? So it's those
Speaker 3: two questions, what's the most important thing for me to
Speaker 3: do right now? And I'll be thinking, right, it's not
Speaker 3: what I'm actually doing. All right, When do I have
Speaker 3: to have this thing I'm working on done by Okay? Conceivably,
Speaker 3: it's quite okay if I have it done by Monday, Like,
Speaker 3: that's okay, plenty of time between now Monday, right, So
Speaker 3: put it aside, and what's the next most important thing
Speaker 3: for me to do?
Speaker 2: And there's that discomfort in disconnecting.
Speaker 3: The minute I refocus on the next kind of task
Speaker 3: and put myself in the headspace of what that is
Speaker 3: and who I'm.
Speaker 2: With, I actually feel a lot lighter.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of a bit like when you don't
Speaker 3: wash the windows for three months and then you wash
Speaker 3: the windows and you realize, well, actually that wasn't so
Speaker 3: bad and it didn't take as long, and I've spent
Speaker 3: three months complaining and worrying about doing it. Yes, So yeah,
Speaker 3: did I answer the question? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. And also this is I mean a
Speaker 1: little bit of a side Andrew Huberman. You know who
Speaker 1: he is, right, I do?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: So have you heard him banging on about the anterior
Speaker 1: mid singulate cortex. Have you heard him talking about that?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm familiar with some of its function, but I
Speaker 3: haven't heard him talk about it lately.
Speaker 1: Yes, So he talks about how there's part of our
Speaker 1: brain IMCC where when we do hard things, hard things
Speaker 1: that we should do but don't want to do, but
Speaker 1: we actually do the hard thing, we go oh fuck.
Speaker 1: And I'm always doing this to myself where I give
Speaker 1: myself these little tests all the time, where I like,
Speaker 1: for example, yesterday went for a big walk and I'd
Speaker 1: walked about ten thousand step seven eight k's and on
Speaker 1: the way home, I went into the cafe to get
Speaker 1: me it was about two to get myself a coffee,
Speaker 1: and they've got these really comfy chairs and I was
Speaker 1: just about to plunk myself in a comfy chair and
Speaker 1: then this little voice goes, don't sit down, bitch, stay
Speaker 1: standing right, And I'm like, I so wanted to sit down,
Speaker 1: but I just make myself be uncomfortable. For like, my
Speaker 1: back was sore, and I'm like, just be uncomfortable. You're
Speaker 1: going to be home in three minutes. Don't be a
Speaker 1: fucking baby. You know. I know this is by the way,
Speaker 1: everyone don't talk to yourself like I talked to me.
Speaker 1: This is definitely not a recommendation, but it's funny because
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the bottom line is when you
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about being reckless, but when you
Speaker 1: strategically lean into the uncomfortable things I'm talking about were
Speaker 1: some degree of strategy and wisdom, and you know, like
Speaker 1: you're not doing dumb shit or silly shit, but you're
Speaker 1: doing stuff that's uncomfortable. But there's a benefit to the discomfort.
Speaker 1: And then over time, the thing that was hard, even
Speaker 1: though you're still doing the same thing, it's not hard
Speaker 1: anymore because you've built that muscle, so to speak. You know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how I got there, but you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like that that ability to be able to
Speaker 1: go right now, this is what I need to do
Speaker 1: to be the best version of me. So what I
Speaker 1: need to do in the next hour or ten minutes
Speaker 1: or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you read or heard of Brian Tracy's book
Speaker 3: Eat the Frog?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I have, Oh so good.
Speaker 1: I have not read that book, but I know of
Speaker 1: him and I know of that book.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so that the concept.
Speaker 1: It's still the shit thing, first, is it?
Speaker 3: Pretty much?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And there's a quote in the book, and i'ld
Speaker 3: paraphrase it's it's something along the lines of the most
Speaker 3: successful people are the ones that can identify what's most important,
Speaker 3: get started quickly, do it well. That's basically the ultimate
Speaker 3: key to success. Now, you know, we've got to make
Speaker 3: good decisions about what's important. But it is. There's so
Speaker 3: much to be said for it because procrastination is not
Speaker 3: a time management problem.
Speaker 2: Adam Grant was writing about this on Instagram today.
Speaker 3: To quote him, he said, it's an emotion regulation problem,
Speaker 3: and we feel uncomfortable and it's.
Speaker 2: Just in our nature.
Speaker 3: I think probably a lot of people listening will be
Speaker 3: nodding thinking, you know, I think we do. We put
Speaker 3: things off that are uncomfortable, whether it's a conversation or
Speaker 3: a project, or you know, asking for a raise or
Speaker 3: doing anything that makes us feel you know, anything but
Speaker 3: kind of good.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: We'll put it off, but we have to ask ourselves,
Speaker 3: will you know I'll give you an example with our daughter.
Speaker 3: She she had a thorn in her foot, and we
Speaker 3: have hawthorn trees. I don't know, if you've on our
Speaker 3: property and they have some wicked thorns, creak like they're
Speaker 3: all and they can go right through, right through a
Speaker 3: thong into a you know, we shouldn't be walking around
Speaker 3: in thongs. But anyway, she didn't like the idea that
Speaker 3: it had to come out and was putting it off,
Speaker 3: and I said, right, let's agree it has to come out.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, it can come out now.
Speaker 1: Hang on. She had a thought in her foot and
Speaker 1: she didn't want it to come out.
Speaker 3: She was anxious and frightened about what it would feel
Speaker 3: to have it pulled out and removed.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would think it would feel great.
Speaker 3: Oh no, right, I think it was just really painful.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and she was possibly anticipating more pain. I suppose, right, right, right,
Speaker 3: And I just said pretty calmly, look, I get it,
Speaker 3: I get you don't want this, but let's just agree
Speaker 3: it has to happen. And whether it happens in the
Speaker 3: next minute or in thirty minutes, it has to happen. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's just get on with it. But yeah, look, you
Speaker 3: know it's good in theory. Depending there are a lot
Speaker 3: of things that influence our abilities about to make those
Speaker 3: decisions for ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of things.
Speaker 1: I think self regulation, I mean, self reflection, self awareness,
Speaker 1: self regulation. It's like the ongoing, ever present challenge, like
Speaker 1: I'm always obviously because of my research and stuff. But
Speaker 1: when I say always but consistently and regularly thinking about
Speaker 1: what is this like for the listener? What is this
Speaker 1: like for the person I'm in a conversation with or
Speaker 1: a negotiation with, or what's it like for Melissa to
Speaker 1: work with me? Or what's it like for Jo to
Speaker 1: be on the other side of this moment right now?
Speaker 1: And that kind of self awareness focused train of thought
Speaker 1: I think is valuable. But then on top of that,
Speaker 1: when you have some kind of awareness or awakening or
Speaker 1: you know, to then be able to self regulate and
Speaker 1: self manage so that you can get the best out
Speaker 1: of you in whatever the moment requires to be good
Speaker 1: for you, but to be good for them. And this
Speaker 1: is a long winded way of telling you that maybe
Speaker 1: well for me. My ultimate example of this was back
Speaker 1: in the day when I was a trainer on the
Speaker 1: floor for decades, and in the early years, I would
Speaker 1: literally do on a very quiet day jode, I would
Speaker 1: do ten hours of PT on a quiet day, so
Speaker 1: on a busy day when I you know, because early
Speaker 1: days it was me and a couple of others, but
Speaker 1: I would regularly do regularly twelve hours PT and on
Speaker 1: the a few exceptional days more, which is silly. But
Speaker 1: the thing was, so you get up at I would
Speaker 1: get up at four point thirty, I would train myself.
Speaker 1: I would get to the gym. I would clean the gym,
Speaker 1: clean the mirrors, clean the toilets, vacuum the staff, wipe
Speaker 1: the benches, because I was it. I was the entire
Speaker 1: staff pretty much for a while anyway, right, And then
Speaker 1: I'd start training people at five point thirty or six.
Speaker 1: And then by the time you get to five o'clock
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, I mean, your body is going, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? Sit down, and your brain
Speaker 1: is going sit down, lie down, do anything but do this.
Speaker 1: And also obviously your cognitive functions not at an all
Speaker 1: time high, your emotions have changed. And that was such
Speaker 1: a and I'm really glad for that time because then
Speaker 1: I didn't always do it well. But and I used
Speaker 1: to say this to myself, and I used to say
Speaker 1: it to my team. I'd say, now, how many sessions
Speaker 1: can you do per day? And keep them all at
Speaker 1: a very good level, like, because if I'm training you
Speaker 1: at six am or six pm, you should get the
Speaker 1: same product. Yes, I can't say to you, sorry, missus,
Speaker 1: six pm I've been awake for fourteen hours and I'm
Speaker 1: really hungry and my back's a bit sore, and you're
Speaker 1: my twelfth client. So therefore you're going to get a
Speaker 1: four out of ten, Craig. But that's just because you're
Speaker 1: training at six pm. But if you want to do
Speaker 1: at seven am, you'll get a nine out of Well,
Speaker 1: you can't do that because one, it's unprofessional too, it's
Speaker 1: bad for all kinds of reasons. And three people are
Speaker 1: paying the same dough irrespective of the time, and so
Speaker 1: that and by the way, of course I didn't always
Speaker 1: nail it, and of course I had better and worse
Speaker 1: sessions and days, but that me thinking then and then
Speaker 1: trying to get my team around. I would call it
Speaker 1: performance threshold or shit threshold. So performance threshold, how many sessions?
Speaker 1: Like what's your number? And for some people, honestly, it
Speaker 1: was four or five a day, which is cool, and
Speaker 1: I go, so that's your limit. You're not doing seven
Speaker 1: or eight and it might build over time, but right now,
Speaker 1: you know, if you can do four great sessions with clients, fantastic,
Speaker 1: well done. Do four great ones and zero shit ones?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, I'm thinking about what you're saying, and I'm
Speaker 3: thinking that it's with you and the volume of training
Speaker 3: that you did. It's really unsustainable to be able to
Speaker 3: show up for every single one of those sessions and
Speaker 3: be nine out of ten Craig or even eight out
Speaker 3: of ten Craig, because you're asking too much. And so
Speaker 3: I do. I like the fact that you were able
Speaker 3: to talk to your staff and able to help moderate what.
Speaker 2: Their workload was.
Speaker 3: But I think that we have to be kind to
Speaker 3: ourselves as to how we can show up and what
Speaker 3: we're capable of.
Speaker 2: And that is going to vary day to day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is that is.
Speaker 3: Going to vary a lot, like for so many reasons.
Speaker 3: Have you been drinking the night before, how did you sleep?
Speaker 3: What stresses have you got going on? Like just how's
Speaker 3: your own you know, all of that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And so the how long did you do that that
Speaker 3: volume of training for and.
Speaker 1: Is a lot?
Speaker 3: Why did you need to do so much?
Speaker 1: Originally? So it's funny as I talk, I'm thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: picturing it in my mind. So my first studio was
Speaker 1: eight hundred meters from where I'm sitting, Yeah, on Hampton Street.
Speaker 1: It was two two five nine A Hampton Street. It
Speaker 1: was an upstairs, fifteen hundred square foot premises and initially
Speaker 1: it was me and then a young trainer. By the way,
Speaker 1: you know, this is just a side bar, but interesting.
Speaker 1: So when it opened, when I opened the first Harpers,
Speaker 1: there was no personal training qualification, there was no personal
Speaker 1: training industry, there was no accreditation, there was no insurance.
Speaker 1: So I was in an industry that doesn't exist, and
Speaker 1: I was constantly coming up against barriers and hurdles. Of
Speaker 1: course that would be broken down over time. But even
Speaker 1: when I went to the council to get permits to
Speaker 1: they're like, well, it's a gym. I'm like, it's not
Speaker 1: a gym. There's no members We've got gym equipment, so
Speaker 1: it's a gym, and I go, no, it is. I've
Speaker 1: also got pictures on the walls, but it's not an
Speaker 1: art gallery, right, So like people did not understand. I go,
Speaker 1: I'm a consultant and I consult people. And there are
Speaker 1: no classes, there's no mass. People can't walk in off
Speaker 1: the street and pay for a membership or pay for
Speaker 1: a session. Everything is you know. So but yeah, I
Speaker 1: did that for a long time. I did that from well,
Speaker 1: I started peteeing. I started in the fitness industry in
Speaker 1: eighty two as a gym instructor, so I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: By the time I was twenty, I was running gyms
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, twenty two, I started peteing in other
Speaker 1: people's gyms when no one knew what it was. I
Speaker 1: was essentially really taking people through up program and getting
Speaker 1: paid for it. But then rather than going on, here's
Speaker 1: the card, I'll take you through the card, then I'm like,
Speaker 1: fuck the card off, I'll just train you freestyle. And
Speaker 1: that morphed into what we have now. And of course
Speaker 1: it would have happened without Craig Carpet was going to
Speaker 1: happen anyway, but I was just on the ground floor.
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then I opened my first
Speaker 1: center when I was twenty six. But from when I
Speaker 1: was probably twenty three or four, I would have done
Speaker 1: at least fifty personal training sessions a week until I
Speaker 1: was at least forty five, and I owned I owned
Speaker 1: a gym, and Tola was about eight or nine years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, but what sort of a toll did that take
Speaker 2: on you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was all right, I mean, like physically, I
Speaker 1: will say I got lazier over the years, I will
Speaker 1: say my effort and my focus over because I ended
Speaker 1: up where I had three gyms, I had at any
Speaker 1: given time at least fifty or sixty trainers across those
Speaker 1: three gyms, two other businesses, and so my attention to
Speaker 1: detail with some things wasn't there. And yeah, but it
Speaker 1: took a toll. It took a toll. But also I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's you come out the other side and
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, look, I mean, here are some of
Speaker 1: the costs, but the benefits far outweigh the cost. I mean,
Speaker 1: I learned how to punt of business. I learned how
Speaker 1: to lead people. I learned how to perform under pressure
Speaker 1: and make hard decisions about hard things. I learned how
Speaker 1: to resolve conflict. I learned how to navigate a million
Speaker 1: different people and personalities. And I learned how to teach
Speaker 1: and coach and mentor. And you know, you just like
Speaker 1: at the coal face of building a brand and a
Speaker 1: business and all of the moving parts, you know, technical
Speaker 1: and human and professional and biological, psychological, sociological, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like it's way more educational than any course you can
Speaker 1: ever do. It doesn't matter what the course is I
Speaker 1: learned more in my first year of business than I've
Speaker 1: learned in I'm now in my tenth year of UNI.
Speaker 1: So UNI is great. Yeah, but you really want to
Speaker 1: learn fucking jump in the fire.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 2: It's so true.
Speaker 3: The same was true with teaching when I'm back in
Speaker 3: the day thirty thirty years ago. Almost not quite. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you just because yep, you have to think on your
Speaker 3: feet and the unexpected happens, and you have to be
Speaker 3: able to, like you say, solve problems and lead people,
Speaker 3: answer questions and deal with all the balls.
Speaker 2: In the air.
Speaker 3: So are you now that it's funny? Like this is
Speaker 3: not my podcast, but I just wanted to ask you
Speaker 3: another question.
Speaker 2: It must have been hard to let go of all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: Because you've worked so hard, like it's something to be
Speaker 3: incredibly proud of what you built, and it takes a
Speaker 3: huge amount of courage to step up and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: three gyms, lots of staff, you know, like to be
Speaker 3: able to it must have been very very hard to
Speaker 3: sort of start whinding it back or imagine perhaps you
Speaker 3: sold the gyms. I'm not sure, but hard to step
Speaker 3: away from something you've spent so much time on.
Speaker 1: Hey, yes, and no, yes, in some ways very much,
Speaker 1: because a lot of my confidence and self worth and
Speaker 1: brand was Craig the fitness industry, not but guru, right Craig,
Speaker 1: you know the personal training pit that guy. Right. Yes,
Speaker 1: I never saw myself, but I got introduced at fitness
Speaker 1: conferences as that and all of that stuff that was
Speaker 1: really nice and good. But I realized earlier, like you know,
Speaker 1: by the time I was thirty three or four, I'd
Speaker 1: already worked in fitness for sixteen years. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a long time. And so by the time I'm thirty eight,
Speaker 1: I've been in for two decades and I'm still not old.
Speaker 1: I'm only thirty eight, right, Yeah, And I realized that,
Speaker 1: I mean for me, And again this is like I
Speaker 1: think some people will do a version of the same
Speaker 1: job for forty years and that's kind of good for them,
Speaker 1: and it kind of works for them, so there's no judgment,
Speaker 1: just acknowledgement. But for me, I cannot. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how much money I'm making, Like, I can't do the
Speaker 1: same thing the same way all the time. I've got
Speaker 1: to be doing new stuff, for different stuff, for developing
Speaker 1: stuff for So I got to the point where even
Speaker 1: though I was pretty good with bodies and anatomy and
Speaker 1: physiology and biomechanics and all that shit and nutrition and
Speaker 1: energy systems and adaptation and progressive overload and all those
Speaker 1: exercise science things. I realized that I wanted to learn
Speaker 1: more about people. I learned I knew enough about bodies
Speaker 1: for what I needed, but I wanted to learn more
Speaker 1: about the people inside the body, And so I moved
Speaker 1: away from I started, you know, I got a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of managers for my gyms and eventually got out
Speaker 1: of them. But like I didn't even go to UNI
Speaker 1: until I was thirty six for the first time. But
Speaker 1: I realized that understanding anatomy and fears, et cetera. Was good,
Speaker 1: but it was really only a small part of the
Speaker 1: how do I help people really change forever and be inside?
Speaker 1: Had out different equation, So trying to and I'm still
Speaker 1: you know, you're still learning. I'm still learning. It's like,
Speaker 1: of all there is to know about humans and human behavior,
Speaker 1: I know fucking nothing, right. So that for me was
Speaker 1: a real kind of moment where I went, I'm going
Speaker 1: to move away from being the fitness industry boften, I'm
Speaker 1: still going to do stuff, but that's not my priority
Speaker 1: or focus. Yeah, and then I just I started doing
Speaker 1: I mean, I did my first paid speaking gig at
Speaker 1: twenty six, the same year that I opened my first gym,
Speaker 1: and I was terrible. It was terrible, but I realized
Speaker 1: that I liked it, and I thought maybe I have
Speaker 1: some potential despite the fact that I had no skill,
Speaker 1: no awareness, no miles on the clock, fucking you know.
Speaker 1: But it was terrible. Like, as a product, it was
Speaker 1: pretty terrible, but the moment and the experience for me
Speaker 1: was not terrible. Yeah, And so from there I just
Speaker 1: went ah. And even now, like I think, I think, like,
Speaker 1: how good a podcast because it gives me and you
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do this and talk to you know,
Speaker 1: ten thousand people, wow or whatever it is. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what else is there? You know? It's I'm always you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really curious about just evolving and doing new things.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, but even if I'm doing something that I
Speaker 1: really like, if I do it the same way day
Speaker 1: in day out, eventually I won't like it. I need
Speaker 1: some kind of left turn or right turn or expansion
Speaker 1: or development or I need to keep learning and growing.
Speaker 1: There's no anxiety around that. But I also like people
Speaker 1: think I'm a workaholic. I'm not. I but I am
Speaker 1: somewhat obsessed with doing shit that I like doing and
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tend to have a really good skill and capacity
Speaker 1: to get other people to do this shit I don't
Speaker 1: want to do.
Speaker 3: I hear. And I was doing some work on Sunday
Speaker 3: at the pool. So our daughter has a gym membership,
Speaker 3: the local sort of recreation center. It's huge, and I thought, look,
Speaker 3: rather than drop and go and come back and on
Speaker 3: a Sunday the bus is running, I'll just take my laptop.
Speaker 3: And I forgot to put my parking in the in
Speaker 3: the car, you know, pay for parking. And there was
Speaker 3: a feller beside me. Oh gosh, I'd be guessing his age,
Speaker 3: maybe in his maybe sixty five maybe, And I just said, oh, look,
Speaker 3: can you know I've just got to run out in
Speaker 3: the rain to put a parking ticket in. Can you
Speaker 3: just mind my stuff? And was halfway through a yoga
Speaker 3: you know, just all the stuff you don't want to
Speaker 3: pack up. And I came back and we got chatting
Speaker 3: and he's like, you're working on a Sunday, like is
Speaker 3: that what you're doing? And I'm like yeah, he goes,
Speaker 3: gee whiz, you must be.
Speaker 2: You know, like love what you do.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, actually, I'm like you, Craig,
Speaker 3: like any any type like I have to constantly. I mean,
Speaker 3: I want to be a really present parent, you know,
Speaker 3: at sixteen and fourteen, you know, nearly seventeen and fifteen. Actually,
Speaker 3: like the time is so like I always wherever possible,
Speaker 3: I want to prioritize that time. But also I love
Speaker 3: my work. Incidentally, this fella said to me, if I
Speaker 3: wasn't married, he would have asked me to a dance.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that so cute?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I haven't been proposition like that in a long time.
Speaker 1: Wow, he would have asked you to a dance?
Speaker 2: Isn't that lovely?
Speaker 1: And I hope you said, well, if I wasn't married,
Speaker 1: I would have gone to the dance. No, I hope
Speaker 1: you didn't say that because.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 3: I laughed and said that's really lovely, thank you so much, and.
Speaker 1: Probably a better response than me.
Speaker 3: But in light of what you were saying before, you
Speaker 3: got me thinking, because you know, they are like there
Speaker 3: are a lot of us over the course of our
Speaker 3: careers who have kind of taken lots of different chans
Speaker 3: and changed professions, and there'll be you know, listeners now
Speaker 3: sort of maybe in the middle of that, like what
Speaker 3: do I do? When do I make the call? And
Speaker 3: how do I let go? And I distinctly remember because
Speaker 3: I started as a teacher and I left to go
Speaker 3: to work for Beyond Blue because in my last year
Speaker 3: of teaching, I'd experienced major depressive disorder because of my
Speaker 3: diagnosed anxiety, and I was sort of coming through that.
Speaker 3: I thought, I really want to work in this world
Speaker 3: of mental health. I don't want other people to be
Speaker 3: blindsided like I was. I left Beyond Blue. I won't
Speaker 3: go into the details, but yeah, that kind of contract
Speaker 3: of mine that shifted into State and I didn't want
Speaker 3: to take up a different contract there, so I thought,
Speaker 3: I'm going back to UNI.
Speaker 2: And because I went back to UNI.
Speaker 3: When I finished my PhD, I actually started writing articles
Speaker 3: for sports science magazines.
Speaker 2: Did you know I did this, Craik, Have I ever
Speaker 2: told you this?
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I realized with my PhD, I really like writing.
Speaker 3: I'd never known that about myself and I love sports science,
Speaker 3: and I love well being and I'm still writing to
Speaker 3: mental health. So I started pitching sports science articles to
Speaker 3: like Australian Motorsport, Rugby League Week, inside Cricket, you know, football,
Speaker 3: inside football and anyway. I started to develop this career
Speaker 3: as a journalist, I suppose, and I loved it so much,
Speaker 3: variety and just I loved telling the stories of the
Speaker 3: science and bringing a new kind of perspective to everyone
Speaker 3: who loves this particular sports so they could learn more
Speaker 3: about what's happening with their athletes. And I also wrote
Speaker 3: about depression, interviewed Heath Evans.
Speaker 2: You know, I spoke a lot.
Speaker 3: I wrote a lot about mental health as well, and
Speaker 3: one interview completely changed the course of my life.
Speaker 2: And it was a real.
Speaker 3: Recognizable turning point where I was kind of feeling like
Speaker 3: I had a foot in two feet in one camp
Speaker 3: and I was going to be would I be prepared
Speaker 3: to let all that go and go in a new direction.
Speaker 3: And that was when I interviewed the head of the
Speaker 3: AFL Players Association, Dr Joe Mitchell, and we talked about
Speaker 3: all of the ways that as psychologists and leaders in
Speaker 3: the AFLPA, they looked after the players and that's when
Speaker 3: I got introduced to the science of well being and
Speaker 3: acceptance and commitment therapy, and I was just like so
Speaker 3: enamored with what she shared with me, and I just thought,
Speaker 3: oh goodness, I think this is the direction I want
Speaker 3: to go now.
Speaker 2: I want to know more, I want to learn more
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: And I remember saying to her when I started going
Speaker 3: in that direction, and it meant sort of starting to
Speaker 3: leave behind what I'd been doing. She said, how long
Speaker 3: have you been doing it? And I said seven years?
Speaker 3: Seven years kind of writing and working as a freelancer,
Speaker 3: And she said that's good for any relationship, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's okay to say goodbye.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2: And it was a really like I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: And it was kind of like just that pivotal moment
Speaker 3: where you go, Yep, I've been working like I was
Speaker 3: being interviewed, you know. I was regularly at the AFL headquarters.
Speaker 3: I was makespertise was shared during the drug scandal at Essendon,
Speaker 3: like I had established myself, and I was just at
Speaker 3: that point I just turned my back on it and
Speaker 3: couldn't be like more proud of myself for making that decision,
Speaker 3: because sometimes those decisions are.
Speaker 2: So hard and we don't know what's coming.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was kind of like one of the
Speaker 3: kind of daisy chains in my history. But I fully
Speaker 3: believe nothing, nothing's ever wasted, that everything you do builds
Speaker 3: on what you've done, even though out of context it
Speaker 3: might not make sense to people. Yes, that's that's my
Speaker 3: experience anyway.
Speaker 1: It's funny that we're talking about this, you know, stepping
Speaker 1: out of something that we're good at. We know we're
Speaker 1: good at. We've got recognition, we've got acceptance, we've got security,
Speaker 1: we've got familiarity, you know. And then but and then
Speaker 1: to step into something that you don't have any of
Speaker 1: that right, and you're stepping into, for one of a
Speaker 1: better term, an unnus space or new territory near new
Speaker 1: unfamiliar environment or whatever. Yeah, And I just finished a
Speaker 1: podcast an hour ago with Tiff and Bobby, who's a regular,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about this idea which is worth revisiting
Speaker 1: momentarily because it's relevant to what we're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is this idea that I like. It's called starting scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Starting scared, Yeah, starting scared, Starting insecure, starting unprepared, starting
Speaker 1: not ready, starting with all your bullshit, starting with all
Speaker 1: your self doubt, starting with all your just fucking start.
Speaker 1: Of course you're not ready. Of course you're scared. Of
Speaker 1: course you've got self doubt. Of course you of course
Speaker 1: you're human. Like if you wait until you're ready, or
Speaker 1: if you wait until you've got no fear, or if
Speaker 1: you wait until you've got no self doubt, you're going
Speaker 1: to wake up in a minute, and you'll be sixty
Speaker 1: and you will have been living in a holding pattern. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and hating your life and hating yourself because you never
Speaker 1: took a risk and you know, Okay, so you start
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. Cool, big deal, like life. You know,
Speaker 1: you get embarrassed. Also, fine, you lose a few dollars, Fine,
Speaker 1: you know, you learn a few things, You grow, you
Speaker 1: revolve like we literally you know, cannot grow, I mean
Speaker 1: grow grow in comfort. We've got to get uncomfortable to
Speaker 1: adapt to improve. Doesn't mean comfort's not good. I love comfort.
Speaker 1: I love lying on bed watching Netflix, chilling out. Like
Speaker 1: somebody said the other day on my thing, nothing good
Speaker 1: comes from comfort. I'm like, well, that's just not true.
Speaker 1: But we don't need comfort all the time, and we
Speaker 1: don't need discomfort all the time, it's like finding that
Speaker 1: sweet spot of let's do some hard shit, let's do
Speaker 1: some silly shit. And also not everything needs to be
Speaker 1: logical and strategic. Sometimes we just do stuff because it's
Speaker 1: a fun fucking thing to do. There doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be any deep philosophical.
Speaker 3: Meaning, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's such, it's so good
Speaker 3: to revisit it. And it's really what everything comes back to.
Speaker 3: And if we can do that hard thing, eat the frog,
Speaker 3: or start scared.
Speaker 2: Or you know, feel feel the fear and do it anyway,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Like it only gets easier when you do that and
Speaker 3: then you rest. So you take you take that because
Speaker 3: we need to. We need to manage the state of
Speaker 3: our nervous system. We need we can't be because when
Speaker 3: when there's a threat, when when there's uncertainty, it's threatening,
Speaker 3: we respond to that physiologically and we need to close
Speaker 3: that loop, that that stress loop that gets opened and activated.
Speaker 3: We need to be able to close that and recover
Speaker 3: so that we can do it all again the next day.
Speaker 3: The other thing I think for us all to be
Speaker 3: really cognizant of is that when when because it is threatening,
Speaker 3: our brain does detect a threat when there's uncertainty or we're.
Speaker 2: Out on a limb.
Speaker 3: We are out on a limb, and we we want
Speaker 3: to be where the limb takes us. We want to
Speaker 3: be where the limb takes us. We don't want to
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 2: Be on it.
Speaker 3: But in fact, that's the beautiful part of any of
Speaker 3: these experiences, is what it takes to get there. But
Speaker 3: it can for some people. The anxiety that when that
Speaker 3: alarm sounds, the physical symptoms that can be triggered by
Speaker 3: that are so intolerable. Yes, and look that used to
Speaker 3: be me.
Speaker 2: Yes, it used to be me.
Speaker 3: I've been, I've been. You know this table I see
Speaker 3: it in our dining room is my office, and I
Speaker 3: remember sitting at this table thinking, I want to do
Speaker 3: this when I feel better. When I don't, you know,
Speaker 3: when the fear goes, you know, like what you were
Speaker 3: saying before. Yes, And then my brother more or less
Speaker 3: said to me what you were just saying. You and
Speaker 3: Tiff and Bobby were talking about that. In fact, to
Speaker 3: start my career as a freelancer, I've been given the
Speaker 3: number of Julian Cribb, who he was an author and
Speaker 3: a writer who was connected I was connected with and
Speaker 3: I had his number, and it took me months to
Speaker 3: pick up the phone and ring just to say, hey,
Speaker 3: a mutual friend of ours is passed on your number
Speaker 3: and recommended I get in touch and my brother and
Speaker 3: I was just waiting. I was just waiting to feel
Speaker 3: good about it, to feel calm and confident and secure.
Speaker 3: And on a phone call with my brother, He's just like, well,
Speaker 3: that's not going to happen, and he said some really
Speaker 3: wise words that prompted me to do it. Scared, but
Speaker 3: I just really want to spend a moment just for
Speaker 3: because I know that somebody listening out there is going
Speaker 3: to be thinking, I know all this.
Speaker 2: It all makes perfect sense for me in my head.
Speaker 3: It's logical, I get it, but I just feel so
Speaker 3: overwhelmed by my symptoms. I just feel like I'm groupled
Speaker 3: by it. And if you are listening and that is you,
Speaker 3: please please get extra help, because there's a whole world
Speaker 3: waiting for you, and sometimes we need, you know, other
Speaker 3: professionals to help us. Just you know, like just start
Speaker 3: to get a little bit of momentum and then we
Speaker 3: can take it from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was that was.
Speaker 3: Kind of one of the things that jumped out at
Speaker 3: me when you were saying what you were saying.
Speaker 1: It's so funny that, and I totally agree. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: just need someone who kind of gets it and gets
Speaker 1: us and can hold our hand for a moment. You
Speaker 1: said you were catching your thought for a minute, right,
Speaker 1: And as you were doing that, I wrote uncertainty. And
Speaker 1: then you came out and you said, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to remember, I said to you, I want to We
Speaker 1: had a little moment everyone that you didn't hear, where
Speaker 1: we had a little ten second break. Yeah, and I said,
Speaker 1: I've got something I want to talk about it. But
Speaker 1: that was it, and then you started It's so funny
Speaker 1: because like it's interesting how in tune people are sometimes.
Speaker 1: But I think that whole idea of you know, like
Speaker 1: starting scared. You could also call it choosing uncertainty. And
Speaker 1: all of us, you know, people with anxiety, in inverted
Speaker 1: commas or not, we're all attracted to predictability and certainty
Speaker 1: and familiarity because you know, our brain's always looking out
Speaker 1: for us and all of those things are low risk
Speaker 1: because we know what's coming. And I'd rather know what's coming.
Speaker 1: But sometimes the key is to fucking step into you
Speaker 1: know what you don't know and what you can't see coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're exactly right.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that can help, I think
Speaker 3: is going well, you know, I mean it's classic anxious thinking.
Speaker 3: What's you know, like catastrophic thinking going to the worst case.
Speaker 2: But with catastrophic.
Speaker 3: Thinking, we're actually in the moment leaving that the worst
Speaker 3: has happened. Whereas if we can in a measured way
Speaker 3: ask ourselves, well, what is the worst outcome here? And
Speaker 3: it could be that you are applying for a new
Speaker 3: role you don't get it, Well, are you worse off
Speaker 3: than where you were to begin with? Absolutely not, because
Speaker 3: now you've got a cracking CV and you've had a
Speaker 3: bite at the cherry, you've had more interview experience, you're
Speaker 3: a bit closer to that next step. And whilst it
Speaker 3: can be so devastating and disappointing when we don't get
Speaker 3: what we want, and we don't always, one other thing
Speaker 3: that can help is to go you know what. I've
Speaker 3: probably been devastated and disappointed before and I got through it.
Speaker 3: I'll get through it again. But we've got no hope
Speaker 3: of getting a step closer to our goals, our dreams,
Speaker 3: our ambitions our Maybe it's a person in your world
Speaker 3: who you want to, you know, approach, might this great
Speaker 3: likelihood of rejection and that's a risk. Do you want
Speaker 3: to stay close to the trunk and never know? Or
Speaker 3: do you want to go out on the limb and
Speaker 3: you know it's I often think, not that often, but
Speaker 3: occasionally think about if I go tomorrow, Am I okay
Speaker 3: with that? If you know, hit by a bus? What
Speaker 3: would I be okay like? And I think the answer
Speaker 3: to that is yes, still obviously want to spend How
Speaker 3: old am I fifty?
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? I've got, Craig, maybe another.
Speaker 1: You've got I reckon you've got about forty years of
Speaker 1: really good operating and maybe you'll slide into about one
Speaker 1: hundred and two. The last twelve months, last twelve months
Speaker 1: could be a bit dodgy, but it.
Speaker 2: Really could be, couldn't it?
Speaker 3: And as hard as it is, I think, is it
Speaker 3: Tim Ferriss who said read the obituary?
Speaker 2: Is you know, make it a habit of reading.
Speaker 3: The obituaries, because you know, like we've all lost someone,
Speaker 3: We've all, you know, most of us have lost someone special,
Speaker 3: and we always sort of feel like it's most of
Speaker 3: the time it was too short, not enough time for them,
Speaker 3: and and you know, eventually our numbers up, and I
Speaker 3: just sort of just sort of for me, you know,
Speaker 3: and for the people that I get to connect with
Speaker 3: in my orbit, I just want people to kind of
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, I'm making in roads towards the
Speaker 3: things that are important to me, and I'm not you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not comfortable. I'm not feeling confident necessarily, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure of what's going to happen, but I'm going to try.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's you know, there's this duality of you know,
Speaker 1: being human. Is there the stuff we know and the
Speaker 1: stuff we feel. You know, I can simultaneously no, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've got some skills and some competence
Speaker 1: while feeling completely incompetent, like feeling like a fucking idiot,
Speaker 1: but knowing because I've got data and evidence to suggest, well,
Speaker 1: you're not a complete idiot. You know, You've done a
Speaker 1: few things that would indicate a modicum of intelligence and
Speaker 1: skill and competence, but that you know, when you you know,
Speaker 1: for one of the ones for me, not so much anymore,
Speaker 1: but sometimes is standing at the side of a room
Speaker 1: you do the same thing as me. But standing at
Speaker 1: the side of a room, especially if it's a big room,
Speaker 1: especially if it's a big stage, especially if there's lots
Speaker 1: of people, and where I'm a little lapel fucking microphone
Speaker 1: and some blow or girl that you don't know is
Speaker 1: talking about you and doing your bio and telling everybody
Speaker 1: how fucking incredible you're going to be, And I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: keep that down, will you. You know, let's set the
Speaker 1: bar low, let's underpromise, let's over deliver, not the other
Speaker 1: way around. Right and then and then, even though I've
Speaker 1: done that literally thousands of times, now it's part of
Speaker 1: me like, yeah, this is the day where you're going
Speaker 1: to come crashing down and they'll all figure out that
Speaker 1: you're not funny and clever, you're actually shit. And that's today.
Speaker 1: So enjoy that all the best.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You should rewrite that introduction, just like lower the bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll help.
Speaker 1: Here's Craig Harper could be shit, sometimes funny, often not.
Speaker 1: Thinks he's clever not so much, but look he'll have
Speaker 1: a go. I can't promise anything, and now here he is.
Speaker 3: Yay.
Speaker 1: Poor people are like fuck, really, what are we budgeting.
Speaker 1: But it is funny where when you do a certain thing,
Speaker 1: it's like people think I'm an extrovert because I can
Speaker 1: do this, and I'm not really a hard introvert. But
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not an ex revert. Like I don't if
Speaker 1: I'm out in a group or wherever. The last thing
Speaker 1: I want is to be the center of attention. Just
Speaker 1: to be the center of attention, I have zero desire.
Speaker 1: I would much rather be in the background, like happily
Speaker 1: in the background. Yeah, the need to get in front
Speaker 1: of a group because I like being in front of
Speaker 1: a group for the sake of it. No, I haven't
Speaker 1: none of that at all. Yeah, you know so, but
Speaker 1: it's yeah, so there's still that that. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: simultaneously have certain skills and capacity to do things in
Speaker 1: front of a group or an audience or to host
Speaker 1: a podcast. But also you know that it depending on
Speaker 1: the situation. There are times when I'm not shy, but
Speaker 1: I'm quite reserved. Like I'm like, no, really good things.
Speaker 1: I get often asked at social things or at like
Speaker 1: sometimes an event if I'd like to say something, and
Speaker 1: I go no, definitely, I really don't. Thank you. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're you're I go, nah, I'm good, thank you.
Speaker 1: Like at people's birthdays, big birthdays and shit, do you
Speaker 1: want to say something? I go, nice, I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's my best mate and he wants me to, maybe,
Speaker 1: but other than that, no, I have no desire to
Speaker 1: just get up there at all.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I get that. When Annie Jenny,
Speaker 3: when Uneie Jenny died in October and we had her
Speaker 3: celebration of life, then obviously well, I mean, maybe it's
Speaker 3: not obvious, but at this particular event, which was not
Speaker 3: a funeral, it was, you know, a gathering of people
Speaker 3: tan coffee and afternoon tea and some people speaking about her,
Speaker 3: and then there was kind of like open mic, and
Speaker 3: I had I had thought about all the things that
Speaker 3: I would want to say, but then I realized I
Speaker 3: actually have said everything to her that I wanted to say,
Speaker 3: because we were bedside for twelve days in the ICU
Speaker 3: and she was conscious for a lot of it, and
Speaker 3: I sort of had decided I'm not going to say anything,
Speaker 3: which I think when I sort of told a few
Speaker 3: family members, you know, I've decided not to say anything,
Speaker 3: I sort of felt like I didn't feel the need
Speaker 3: to do that. So I planned that. But then on
Speaker 3: the day, after watching all those the photos and all
Speaker 3: the memories and feeling so moved, I was compelled to.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. Maybe the assumptions that
Speaker 3: if you you know, I mean, it's they're fair assumptions,
Speaker 3: aren't they. You've daily podcast and professional speaker, and so
Speaker 3: surely you've got something you want to add.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I often in a room, I'll feel like I'm
Speaker 1: the least interesting person. And I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: not fishing like it depends. You know. It's funny. It's
Speaker 1: all context dependent, isn't it. It's like I say this, often,
Speaker 1: depending on what room you're in, it could be the
Speaker 1: smartest or the dumbest. You could be, the most talented
Speaker 1: or the least. You can be, the most skilled or
Speaker 1: the least you could be. You know, It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: often in rooms with other people where I'm the least
Speaker 1: interesting person in the room. I just want to listen
Speaker 1: to you. I just want to listen to the others.
Speaker 2: You know what, I think the rooms to be in,
Speaker 2: aren't they That's the best.
Speaker 1: I want to I always say to people, I used
Speaker 1: to say this, and it kind of expanded from this.
Speaker 1: But you know, when I was really young and I
Speaker 1: was training people or teaching people, I'd say, and this
Speaker 1: is purely about you know, training and sport, I'd say,
Speaker 1: train with people better than you like whatever you do.
Speaker 1: If you're a tennis player, play with someone better than you.
Speaker 1: If you're a if you're a want to be bodybuild
Speaker 1: or a power left or just a gym junkie, train
Speaker 1: with people that are better than you, better genetics than you,
Speaker 1: stronger than you like. Do that, you know, have debates
Speaker 1: with people that are smarter than you, like whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, if you're the best in your group,
Speaker 1: then go get in another group.
Speaker 3: Yes, the ego can stand in the way sometimes, can't
Speaker 3: it This willingness to sort of say, hey, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know, help me. You know, I remember saying
Speaker 3: to Pete, We've we've got a couple of acres.
Speaker 2: And you know, righte on Moro and a handma and.
Speaker 3: Lots of you know, busney bits and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you know, the stuff that you sort of need. And
Speaker 3: you know, originally, when something would break down, neither of
Speaker 3: us had the skills to fix it, whereas you know,
Speaker 3: we know people who can go, oh yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: out fixing the mara and would have I don't know
Speaker 3: why I'd.
Speaker 2: Made them sound like an old fellah, I'm pracked from
Speaker 2: the maa.
Speaker 3: But you know the skills to do it, and and
Speaker 3: you sort of get a bit down yourself and you realize,
Speaker 3: I've never learned. I never learned. I never was interested
Speaker 3: to learn. If I wanted to learn how to fix
Speaker 3: them more, I'm sure I could. Peter could as well.
Speaker 3: He's actually taught himself a lot. There's a lot that
Speaker 3: he can do now. But when we were in our
Speaker 3: early twenties and just starting off no clue, and I
Speaker 3: think we can be really hard on ourselves sometimes and
Speaker 3: we're like, well, I don't know, I'm not one of
Speaker 3: those people. I don't know how to do that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. And it's like, well, you never learned. It's
Speaker 3: as simple as that, And if you wanted to, you could, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: just go.
Speaker 1: To a different room. Hey, Joe, always awesome your butte.
Speaker 1: And you know, if I hear about you whisking away
Speaker 1: with a sixty five year old man from the swimming pool,
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised, poor Pete. Tell people how they
Speaker 1: can connect with you, please and thank you.
Speaker 2: Ohwa's love chatting with you.
Speaker 3: Craig. Yes, well, Hello Anxiety is my podcast, so come
Speaker 3: on over and have a listen. And yes, also Instagram
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Speaker 3: reach out, connect, say hello, and yeah look forward to
Speaker 3: connecting back.
Speaker 1: You're the best. Well hello anxiety, best known for podcast
Speaker 1: in the world. Well, hello Anxiety, see you next time.
Speaker 2: Thanks her, see you next time.
Speaker 3: Bye.