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Speaker 1: Doctor Jody, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Craig, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm actually really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, I'm not like it's I'm good today.

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Speaker 3: A couple of days ago had a bit of an

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Speaker 3: incident that really threw me for a six But generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: most days I'm coping pretty well, feeling pretty fit and healthy,

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Speaker 3: and feeling like I'm getting on top of most things.

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Speaker 3: So I've just become more accepting of the fact that

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Speaker 3: I have so many things that I have to leave

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Speaker 3: unfinished when I move on to something else and just

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Speaker 3: try to get done what's most important. And that has

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Speaker 3: helped with kind of my headspace because I used to

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Speaker 3: just struggle if I couldn't tie off loose ends all

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 1: Could you give us without divulging state secrets or anything

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Speaker 1: you don't want to, but I like this. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we've spoken about this, the idea of leaving leaving

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Speaker 1: things that are in complete or like for right now,

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Speaker 1: we can't put a bow on it, so we've got

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Speaker 1: to move on. Can you give us an example, even

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Speaker 1: if it's a hypothetical.

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Speaker 2: I can Oh, you.

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Speaker 3: Know me, Craig I'm always happy to talk about what's

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Speaker 3: going on. Oh, how many examples do you want? There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of loose ends. I'll give you an example

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Speaker 3: from today. So I am working on just updating my

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Speaker 3: speaker kit so that it is representative of where I'm

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Speaker 3: at with new presentations and testimonials and all of that

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Speaker 3: sort of thing. And I've had it graphically designed, and

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Speaker 3: now I'm in the tweaking phase. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you're into a bit of tweaking when you get something done.

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Speaker 3: And I had a client call, so i was just like, oh,

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Speaker 3: just get this done. I'll just get this done on

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Speaker 3: just get this done. I'm looking at the clock, going

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Speaker 3: there is no one I'm finishing this thing in the

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Speaker 3: next six minutes. I'm like, right, put it aside, get

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Speaker 3: prepared for your client call. Had a great chat with

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Speaker 3: a client, finished that about twenty minutes ago, and then

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Speaker 3: took a phone call from my mum, had a chat

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Speaker 3: And so when this, when we finish here today, I'll

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Speaker 3: go back and do another ten minutes on that and

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Speaker 3: then I'll be leaving again.

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Speaker 2: So that's just one example, but there are many.

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Speaker 1: Is there? Does it if you have to leave things

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Speaker 1: somewhat incomplete temporarily or up in the air, is that

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Speaker 1: a source of anxiety?

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Speaker 3: It really is, like I can actually feel my heart

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Speaker 3: racing or just beating a little bit faster just talking about.

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Speaker 2: I really don't like it.

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Speaker 3: But I was complaining a bit about it about a

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Speaker 3: month ago.

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Speaker 2: It was just really bothering me.

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Speaker 3: But when I spoke to a few friends who you know,

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Speaker 3: impression that it was bothering me more than it was

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Speaker 3: bothering other people I talked to. And there's no real

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Speaker 3: solution for this. This is not something that you can change.

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Speaker 3: When you work for yourself and you're a parent and

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Speaker 3: you try to keep yourself fit and healthy and well,

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Speaker 3: and parents' appointments who might need driving somewhere, and kids

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Speaker 3: are getting braces, and all of the things that interrupt

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Speaker 3: kind of the flow. It's not like I'm sitting at

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Speaker 3: can solely focus. I have lots of other responsibilities, and

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Speaker 3: so I've got to the point where it is what

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Speaker 3: it is, and that acceptance has helped for the most

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Speaker 3: part because.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Tiff yesterday actually on her potty, and I

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Speaker 3: think of it like sort of taking different hats, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, what's going on now? The parent hat

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Speaker 3: the work hat, whatever it is, Frather, it'd be different.

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Speaker 3: But I also love the life I live and it

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Speaker 3: change it. But yeah, the loose ends do make me anxious, definitely.

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Speaker 1: I've got a question for you which I think is

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Speaker 1: broadly relevant. So we all get a bit anxious, we

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Speaker 1: all overthink a bit, we all get a little bit

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Speaker 1: But then a lot of us have to temporarily put

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Speaker 1: that on hold and then step into an appointment, a

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Speaker 1: got an appointment with you at one thirty, which I

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Speaker 1: do today, and at one twenty six, the ass is

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Speaker 1: falling out of my world. Bad luck, yes, bad luck.

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Speaker 3: Ups.

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Speaker 1: If I'm cracking the shits at one twenty four, or

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Speaker 1: I'm having a bad time at one twenty two. I

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Speaker 1: have to do my very best, which wasn't happening today, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: but it does happen, and then you know, okay, so

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Speaker 1: at one twenty six, sorry, at one thirty today, for example,

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Speaker 1: I have to step into this space with you and

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Speaker 1: do my very best to be present, to be interesting,

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Speaker 1: to be relevant, to be mindful, and to hopefully create

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Speaker 1: something with you that is good for people to listen to.

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Speaker 1: And I need to get out of my own bullshit

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Speaker 1: for a moment, right, So my question is is there

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Speaker 1: a protocol that you have or that you can share

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Speaker 1: with us, because obviously we don't want to. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like you show up for work and you've had

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Speaker 1: a bad morning with the kids or whatever. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to bring that to work. But also also you're

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Speaker 1: human and you feel what you feel, So good luck

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Speaker 1: answering that.

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Speaker 2: Doc My gosh.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the first part of the question was, and look,

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Speaker 3: you can I just tell you one thing, like it

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Speaker 3: is not just me, like it is all of us,

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Speaker 3: Like what you just said, it is life. It's being

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Speaker 3: a grown up and sometimes I literally say to myself,

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Speaker 3: just grow up, just you know, like, because there's a

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Speaker 3: little part of me that's having a little tantrum because

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Speaker 3: I don't get to finish what it is I need

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Speaker 3: to be doing in that moment. And then I stop

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Speaker 3: and think, and this is this is my protocol that

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Speaker 3: I use. I think, right, what is the most important

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Speaker 3: thing for me to be doing now? Not what am

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Speaker 3: I going to be chipping away out? Because I feel

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Speaker 3: anxious about something being unfinished, and I ask myself what's

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Speaker 3: most important? And the other thing Sometimes when I find

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Speaker 3: myself spending time on something that like I'm presenting this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: I'm all prepared for it, but on the day of

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Speaker 3: getting in the flow. And when I was working on

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Speaker 3: the speaker it this morning, I'm thinking, right, when do

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Speaker 3: I have to have this done by? So it's those

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Speaker 3: two questions, what's the most important thing for me to

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Speaker 3: do right now? And I'll be thinking, right, it's not

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Speaker 3: what I'm actually doing. All right, When do I have

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Speaker 3: to have this thing I'm working on done by Okay? Conceivably,

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Speaker 3: it's quite okay if I have it done by Monday, Like,

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Speaker 3: that's okay, plenty of time between now Monday, right, So

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Speaker 3: put it aside, and what's the next most important thing

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Speaker 2: And there's that discomfort in disconnecting.

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Speaker 3: The minute I refocus on the next kind of task

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Speaker 2: With, I actually feel a lot lighter.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of a bit like when you don't

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Speaker 3: three months complaining and worrying about doing it. Yes, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: did I answer the question? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. And also this is I mean a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a side Andrew Huberman. You know who

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Speaker 1: he is, right, I do?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So have you heard him banging on about the anterior

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Speaker 1: mid singulate cortex. Have you heard him talking about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm familiar with some of its function, but I

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Speaker 3: haven't heard him talk about it lately.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So he talks about how there's part of our

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Speaker 1: brain IMCC where when we do hard things, hard things

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Speaker 1: And I'm always doing this to myself where I give

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Speaker 1: for example, yesterday went for a big walk and I'd

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Speaker 1: but I just make myself be uncomfortable. For like, my

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Speaker 1: fucking baby. You know. I know this is by the way,

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Speaker 1: everyone don't talk to yourself like I talked to me.

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Speaker 1: This is definitely not a recommendation, but it's funny because

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the bottom line is when you

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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about being reckless, but when you

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Speaker 1: strategically lean into the uncomfortable things I'm talking about were

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Speaker 1: doing stuff that's uncomfortable. But there's a benefit to the discomfort.

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Speaker 1: And then over time, the thing that was hard, even

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how I got there, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that that ability to be able to

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you read or heard of Brian Tracy's book

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Speaker 3: Eat the Frog?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I have, Oh so good.

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Speaker 1: I have not read that book, but I know of

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Speaker 1: him and I know of that book.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so that the concept.

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Speaker 1: It's still the shit thing, first, is it?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And there's a quote in the book, and i'ld

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Speaker 3: paraphrase it's it's something along the lines of the most

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Speaker 3: successful people are the ones that can identify what's most important,

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Speaker 3: get started quickly, do it well. That's basically the ultimate

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Speaker 3: key to success. Now, you know, we've got to make

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Speaker 3: good decisions about what's important. But it is. There's so

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Speaker 3: much to be said for it because procrastination is not

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Speaker 3: a time management problem.

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Speaker 2: Adam Grant was writing about this on Instagram today.

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Speaker 3: To quote him, he said, it's an emotion regulation problem,

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Speaker 3: and we feel uncomfortable and it's.

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Speaker 3: Because you've worked so hard, like it's something to be

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Speaker 1: because a lot of my confidence and self worth and

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00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: brand was Craig the fitness industry, not but guru, right Craig,

438
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: you know the personal training pit that guy. Right. Yes,

439
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I never saw myself, but I got introduced at fitness

440
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: conferences as that and all of that stuff that was

441
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: really nice and good. But I realized earlier, like you know,

442
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: by the time I was thirty three or four, I'd

443
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: already worked in fitness for sixteen years. You know, that's

444
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: a long time. And so by the time I'm thirty eight,

445
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: I've been in for two decades and I'm still not old.

446
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm only thirty eight, right, Yeah, And I realized that,

447
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean for me, And again this is like I

448
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: think some people will do a version of the same

449
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: job for forty years and that's kind of good for them,

450
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: and it kind of works for them, so there's no judgment,

451
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: just acknowledgement. But for me, I cannot. It doesn't matter

452
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: how much money I'm making, Like, I can't do the

453
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: same thing the same way all the time. I've got

454
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: to be doing new stuff, for different stuff, for developing

455
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: stuff for So I got to the point where even

456
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: though I was pretty good with bodies and anatomy and

457
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: physiology and biomechanics and all that shit and nutrition and

458
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: energy systems and adaptation and progressive overload and all those

459
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: exercise science things. I realized that I wanted to learn

460
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: more about people. I learned I knew enough about bodies

461
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: for what I needed, but I wanted to learn more

462
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Speaker 1: about the people inside the body, And so I moved

463
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Speaker 1: away from I started, you know, I got a whole

464
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Speaker 1: bunch of managers for my gyms and eventually got out

465
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Speaker 1: of them. But like I didn't even go to UNI

466
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: until I was thirty six for the first time. But

467
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: I realized that understanding anatomy and fears, et cetera. Was good,

468
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: but it was really only a small part of the

469
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Speaker 1: how do I help people really change forever and be inside?

470
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: Had out different equation, So trying to and I'm still

471
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're still learning. I'm still learning. It's like,

472
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: of all there is to know about humans and human behavior,

473
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: I know fucking nothing, right. So that for me was

474
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: a real kind of moment where I went, I'm going

475
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: to move away from being the fitness industry boften, I'm

476
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: still going to do stuff, but that's not my priority

477
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Speaker 1: or focus. Yeah, and then I just I started doing

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, I did my first paid speaking gig at

479
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: twenty six, the same year that I opened my first gym,

480
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: and I was terrible. It was terrible, but I realized

481
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: that I liked it, and I thought maybe I have

482
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: some potential despite the fact that I had no skill,

483
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: no awareness, no miles on the clock, fucking you know.

484
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: But it was terrible. Like, as a product, it was

485
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: pretty terrible, but the moment and the experience for me

486
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: was not terrible. Yeah, And so from there I just

487
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: went ah. And even now, like I think, I think, like,

488
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: how good a podcast because it gives me and you

489
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do this and talk to you know,

490
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: ten thousand people, wow or whatever it is. It's like, oh,

491
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: what else is there? You know? It's I'm always you know,

492
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm really curious about just evolving and doing new things.

493
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: And Yeah, but even if I'm doing something that I

494
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: really like, if I do it the same way day

495
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: in day out, eventually I won't like it. I need

496
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: some kind of left turn or right turn or expansion

497
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: or development or I need to keep learning and growing.

498
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: There's no anxiety around that. But I also like people

499
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: think I'm a workaholic. I'm not. I but I am

500
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: somewhat obsessed with doing shit that I like doing and

501
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in.

502
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

503
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, tend to have a really good skill and capacity

504
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: to get other people to do this shit I don't

505
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: want to do.

506
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: I hear. And I was doing some work on Sunday

507
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: at the pool. So our daughter has a gym membership,

508
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: the local sort of recreation center. It's huge, and I thought, look,

509
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: rather than drop and go and come back and on

510
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: a Sunday the bus is running, I'll just take my laptop.

511
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: And I forgot to put my parking in the in

512
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Speaker 3: the car, you know, pay for parking. And there was

513
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: a feller beside me. Oh gosh, I'd be guessing his age,

514
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: maybe in his maybe sixty five maybe, And I just said, oh, look,

515
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: can you know I've just got to run out in

516
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: the rain to put a parking ticket in. Can you

517
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: just mind my stuff? And was halfway through a yoga

518
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, just all the stuff you don't want to

519
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: pack up. And I came back and we got chatting

520
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: and he's like, you're working on a Sunday, like is

521
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: that what you're doing? And I'm like yeah, he goes,

522
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: gee whiz, you must be.

523
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: You know, like love what you do.

524
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, actually, I'm like you, Craig,

525
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: like any any type like I have to constantly. I mean,

526
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: I want to be a really present parent, you know,

527
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: at sixteen and fourteen, you know, nearly seventeen and fifteen. Actually,

528
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: like the time is so like I always wherever possible,

529
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: I want to prioritize that time. But also I love

530
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Speaker 3: my work. Incidentally, this fella said to me, if I

531
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: wasn't married, he would have asked me to a dance.

532
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't that so cute?

533
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.

534
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: I haven't been proposition like that in a long time.

535
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Wow, he would have asked you to a dance?

536
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: Isn't that lovely?

537
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: And I hope you said, well, if I wasn't married,

538
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: I would have gone to the dance. No, I hope

539
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: you didn't say that because.

540
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to say.

541
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: I laughed and said that's really lovely, thank you so much, and.

542
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: Probably a better response than me.

543
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: But in light of what you were saying before, you

544
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: got me thinking, because you know, they are like there

545
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: are a lot of us over the course of our

546
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: careers who have kind of taken lots of different chans

547
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: and changed professions, and there'll be you know, listeners now

548
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: sort of maybe in the middle of that, like what

549
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: do I do? When do I make the call? And

550
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: how do I let go? And I distinctly remember because

551
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: I started as a teacher and I left to go

552
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 3: to work for Beyond Blue because in my last year

553
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: of teaching, I'd experienced major depressive disorder because of my

554
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: diagnosed anxiety, and I was sort of coming through that.

555
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: I thought, I really want to work in this world

556
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: of mental health. I don't want other people to be

557
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: blindsided like I was. I left Beyond Blue. I won't

558
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: go into the details, but yeah, that kind of contract

559
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: of mine that shifted into State and I didn't want

560
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: to take up a different contract there, so I thought,

561
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: I'm going back to UNI.

562
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: And because I went back to UNI.

563
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: When I finished my PhD, I actually started writing articles

564
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: for sports science magazines.

565
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: Did you know I did this, Craik, Have I ever

566
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: told you this?

567
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: I did not.

568
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I realized with my PhD, I really like writing.

569
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: I'd never known that about myself and I love sports science,

570
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: and I love well being and I'm still writing to

571
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: mental health. So I started pitching sports science articles to

572
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: like Australian Motorsport, Rugby League Week, inside Cricket, you know, football,

573
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: inside football and anyway. I started to develop this career

574
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: as a journalist, I suppose, and I loved it so much,

575
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: variety and just I loved telling the stories of the

576
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: science and bringing a new kind of perspective to everyone

577
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: who loves this particular sports so they could learn more

578
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: about what's happening with their athletes. And I also wrote

579
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: about depression, interviewed Heath Evans.

580
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: You know, I spoke a lot.

581
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: I wrote a lot about mental health as well, and

582
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: one interview completely changed the course of my life.

583
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: And it was a real.

584
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: Recognizable turning point where I was kind of feeling like

585
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: I had a foot in two feet in one camp

586
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: and I was going to be would I be prepared

587
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: to let all that go and go in a new direction.

588
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: And that was when I interviewed the head of the

589
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 3: AFL Players Association, Dr Joe Mitchell, and we talked about

590
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: all of the ways that as psychologists and leaders in

591
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: the AFLPA, they looked after the players and that's when

592
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: I got introduced to the science of well being and

593
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: acceptance and commitment therapy, and I was just like so

594
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: enamored with what she shared with me, and I just thought,

595
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: oh goodness, I think this is the direction I want

596
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: to go now.

597
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: I want to know more, I want to learn more

598
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: about this.

599
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: And I remember saying to her when I started going

600
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: in that direction, and it meant sort of starting to

601
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: leave behind what I'd been doing. She said, how long

602
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: have you been doing it? And I said seven years?

603
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: Seven years kind of writing and working as a freelancer,

604
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: And she said that's good for any relationship, isn't it.

605
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: It's okay to say goodbye.

606
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.

607
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: And it was a really like I'll never forget.

608
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: And it was kind of like just that pivotal moment

609
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: where you go, Yep, I've been working like I was

610
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: being interviewed, you know. I was regularly at the AFL headquarters.

611
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: I was makespertise was shared during the drug scandal at Essendon,

612
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: like I had established myself, and I was just at

613
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: that point I just turned my back on it and

614
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: couldn't be like more proud of myself for making that decision,

615
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: because sometimes those decisions are.

616
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: So hard and we don't know what's coming.

617
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was kind of like one of the

618
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: kind of daisy chains in my history. But I fully

619
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: believe nothing, nothing's ever wasted, that everything you do builds

620
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: on what you've done, even though out of context it

621
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: might not make sense to people. Yes, that's that's my

622
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: experience anyway.

623
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: It's funny that we're talking about this, you know, stepping

624
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: out of something that we're good at. We know we're

625
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: good at. We've got recognition, we've got acceptance, we've got security,

626
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: we've got familiarity, you know. And then but and then

627
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: to step into something that you don't have any of

628
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: that right, and you're stepping into, for one of a

629
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: better term, an unnus space or new territory near new

630
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: unfamiliar environment or whatever. Yeah, And I just finished a

631
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: podcast an hour ago with Tiff and Bobby, who's a regular,

632
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: and we're talking about this idea which is worth revisiting

633
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: momentarily because it's relevant to what we're talking about. Yeah,

634
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: which is this idea that I like. It's called starting scared. Yeah,

635
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: Starting scared, Yeah, starting scared, Starting insecure, starting unprepared, starting

636
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: not ready, starting with all your bullshit, starting with all

637
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: your self doubt, starting with all your just fucking start.

638
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: Of course you're not ready. Of course you're scared. Of

639
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: course you've got self doubt. Of course you of course

640
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: you're human. Like if you wait until you're ready, or

641
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: if you wait until you've got no fear, or if

642
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: you wait until you've got no self doubt, you're going

643
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: to wake up in a minute, and you'll be sixty

644
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: and you will have been living in a holding pattern. Yeah,

645
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: and hating your life and hating yourself because you never

646
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: took a risk and you know, Okay, so you start

647
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. Cool, big deal, like life. You know,

648
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: you get embarrassed. Also, fine, you lose a few dollars, Fine,

649
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, you learn a few things, You grow, you

650
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: revolve like we literally you know, cannot grow, I mean

651
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: grow grow in comfort. We've got to get uncomfortable to

652
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: adapt to improve. Doesn't mean comfort's not good. I love comfort.

653
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I love lying on bed watching Netflix, chilling out. Like

654
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: somebody said the other day on my thing, nothing good

655
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: comes from comfort. I'm like, well, that's just not true.

656
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: But we don't need comfort all the time, and we

657
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: don't need discomfort all the time, it's like finding that

658
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: sweet spot of let's do some hard shit, let's do

659
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: some silly shit. And also not everything needs to be

660
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: logical and strategic. Sometimes we just do stuff because it's

661
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: a fun fucking thing to do. There doesn't need to

662
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: be any deep philosophical.

663
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: Meaning, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's such, it's so good

664
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: to revisit it. And it's really what everything comes back to.

665
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: And if we can do that hard thing, eat the frog,

666
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: or start scared.

667
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: Or you know, feel feel the fear and do it anyway,

668
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: it is.

669
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 3: Like it only gets easier when you do that and

670
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: then you rest. So you take you take that because

671
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: we need to. We need to manage the state of

672
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 3: our nervous system. We need we can't be because when

673
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: when there's a threat, when when there's uncertainty, it's threatening,

674
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 3: we respond to that physiologically and we need to close

675
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: that loop, that that stress loop that gets opened and activated.

676
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: We need to be able to close that and recover

677
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: so that we can do it all again the next day.

678
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: The other thing I think for us all to be

679
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: really cognizant of is that when when because it is threatening,

680
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: our brain does detect a threat when there's uncertainty or we're.

681
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: Out on a limb.

682
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: We are out on a limb, and we we want

683
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: to be where the limb takes us. We want to

684
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: be where the limb takes us. We don't want to

685
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: kind of.

686
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: Be on it.

687
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: But in fact, that's the beautiful part of any of

688
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: these experiences, is what it takes to get there. But

689
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: it can for some people. The anxiety that when that

690
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: alarm sounds, the physical symptoms that can be triggered by

691
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: that are so intolerable. Yes, and look that used to

692
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: be me.

693
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it used to be me.

694
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 3: I've been, I've been. You know this table I see

695
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: it in our dining room is my office, and I

696
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: remember sitting at this table thinking, I want to do

697
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: this when I feel better. When I don't, you know,

698
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: when the fear goes, you know, like what you were

699
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: saying before. Yes, And then my brother more or less

700
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: said to me what you were just saying. You and

701
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: Tiff and Bobby were talking about that. In fact, to

702
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: start my career as a freelancer, I've been given the

703
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 3: number of Julian Cribb, who he was an author and

704
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: a writer who was connected I was connected with and

705
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: I had his number, and it took me months to

706
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 3: pick up the phone and ring just to say, hey,

707
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: a mutual friend of ours is passed on your number

708
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: and recommended I get in touch and my brother and

709
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: I was just waiting. I was just waiting to feel

710
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: good about it, to feel calm and confident and secure.

711
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: And on a phone call with my brother, He's just like, well,

712
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 3: that's not going to happen, and he said some really

713
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: wise words that prompted me to do it. Scared, but

714
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: I just really want to spend a moment just for

715
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: because I know that somebody listening out there is going

716
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: to be thinking, I know all this.

717
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: It all makes perfect sense for me in my head.

718
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: It's logical, I get it, but I just feel so

719
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: overwhelmed by my symptoms. I just feel like I'm groupled

720
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: by it. And if you are listening and that is you,

721
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: please please get extra help, because there's a whole world

722
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 3: waiting for you, and sometimes we need, you know, other

723
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: professionals to help us. Just you know, like just start

724
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: to get a little bit of momentum and then we

725
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: can take it from there.

726
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

727
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was that was.

728
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: Kind of one of the things that jumped out at

729
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: me when you were saying what you were saying.

730
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: It's so funny that, and I totally agree. Sometimes we

731
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: just need someone who kind of gets it and gets

732
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: us and can hold our hand for a moment. You

733
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: said you were catching your thought for a minute, right,

734
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: And as you were doing that, I wrote uncertainty. And

735
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: then you came out and you said, because I wanted

736
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: to remember, I said to you, I want to We

737
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: had a little moment everyone that you didn't hear, where

738
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: we had a little ten second break. Yeah, and I said,

739
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: I've got something I want to talk about it. But

740
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: that was it, and then you started It's so funny

741
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: because like it's interesting how in tune people are sometimes.

742
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: But I think that whole idea of you know, like

743
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: starting scared. You could also call it choosing uncertainty. And

744
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: all of us, you know, people with anxiety, in inverted

745
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: commas or not, we're all attracted to predictability and certainty

746
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: and familiarity because you know, our brain's always looking out

747
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: for us and all of those things are low risk

748
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: because we know what's coming. And I'd rather know what's coming.

749
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: But sometimes the key is to fucking step into you

750
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: know what you don't know and what you can't see coming.

751
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're exactly right.

752
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: And one of the things that can help, I think

753
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: is going well, you know, I mean it's classic anxious thinking.

754
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 3: What's you know, like catastrophic thinking going to the worst case.

755
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: But with catastrophic.

756
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: Thinking, we're actually in the moment leaving that the worst

757
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: has happened. Whereas if we can in a measured way

758
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: ask ourselves, well, what is the worst outcome here? And

759
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: it could be that you are applying for a new

760
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: role you don't get it, Well, are you worse off

761
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 3: than where you were to begin with? Absolutely not, because

762
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: now you've got a cracking CV and you've had a

763
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: bite at the cherry, you've had more interview experience, you're

764
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: a bit closer to that next step. And whilst it

765
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: can be so devastating and disappointing when we don't get

766
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: what we want, and we don't always, one other thing

767
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: that can help is to go you know what. I've

768
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: probably been devastated and disappointed before and I got through it.

769
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 3: I'll get through it again. But we've got no hope

770
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: of getting a step closer to our goals, our dreams,

771
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: our ambitions our Maybe it's a person in your world

772
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: who you want to, you know, approach, might this great

773
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: likelihood of rejection and that's a risk. Do you want

774
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: to stay close to the trunk and never know? Or

775
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: do you want to go out on the limb and

776
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: you know it's I often think, not that often, but

777
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: occasionally think about if I go tomorrow, Am I okay

778
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: with that? If you know, hit by a bus? What

779
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: would I be okay like? And I think the answer

780
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: to that is yes, still obviously want to spend How

781
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: old am I fifty?

782
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? I've got, Craig, maybe another.

783
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: You've got I reckon you've got about forty years of

784
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: really good operating and maybe you'll slide into about one

785
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 1: hundred and two. The last twelve months, last twelve months

786
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: could be a bit dodgy, but it.

787
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: Really could be, couldn't it?

788
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: And as hard as it is, I think, is it

789
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Tim Ferriss who said read the obituary?

790
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: Is you know, make it a habit of reading.

791
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: The obituaries, because you know, like we've all lost someone,

792
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: We've all, you know, most of us have lost someone special,

793
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: and we always sort of feel like it's most of

794
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: the time it was too short, not enough time for them,

795
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: and and you know, eventually our numbers up, and I

796
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: just sort of just sort of for me, you know,

797
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: and for the people that I get to connect with

798
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: in my orbit, I just want people to kind of

799
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, I'm making in roads towards the

800
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: things that are important to me, and I'm not you know,

801
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm not comfortable. I'm not feeling confident necessarily, I'm not

802
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: sure of what's going to happen, but I'm going to try.

803
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's you know, there's this duality of you know,

805
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: being human. Is there the stuff we know and the

806
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: stuff we feel. You know, I can simultaneously no, I'm

807
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've got some skills and some competence

808
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: while feeling completely incompetent, like feeling like a fucking idiot,

809
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: but knowing because I've got data and evidence to suggest, well,

810
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: you're not a complete idiot. You know, You've done a

811
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: few things that would indicate a modicum of intelligence and

812
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: skill and competence, but that you know, when you you know,

813
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: for one of the ones for me, not so much anymore,

814
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: but sometimes is standing at the side of a room

815
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: you do the same thing as me. But standing at

816
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: the side of a room, especially if it's a big room,

817
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: especially if it's a big stage, especially if there's lots

818
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: of people, and where I'm a little lapel fucking microphone

819
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: and some blow or girl that you don't know is

820
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: talking about you and doing your bio and telling everybody

821
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: how fucking incredible you're going to be, And I'm like, ah,

822
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: keep that down, will you. You know, let's set the

823
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: bar low, let's underpromise, let's over deliver, not the other

824
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: way around. Right and then and then, even though I've

825
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: done that literally thousands of times, now it's part of

826
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: me like, yeah, this is the day where you're going

827
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: to come crashing down and they'll all figure out that

828
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: you're not funny and clever, you're actually shit. And that's today.

829
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: So enjoy that all the best.

830
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: You know.

831
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: You should rewrite that introduction, just like lower the bar.

832
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll help.

833
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: Here's Craig Harper could be shit, sometimes funny, often not.

834
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Thinks he's clever not so much, but look he'll have

835
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: a go. I can't promise anything, and now here he is.

836
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: Yay.

837
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: Poor people are like fuck, really, what are we budgeting.

838
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: But it is funny where when you do a certain thing,

839
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: it's like people think I'm an extrovert because I can

840
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: do this, and I'm not really a hard introvert. But

841
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not an ex revert. Like I don't if

842
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm out in a group or wherever. The last thing

843
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: I want is to be the center of attention. Just

844
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: to be the center of attention, I have zero desire.

845
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: I would much rather be in the background, like happily

846
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: in the background. Yeah, the need to get in front

847
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: of a group because I like being in front of

848
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: a group for the sake of it. No, I haven't

849
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: none of that at all. Yeah, you know so, but

850
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: it's yeah, so there's still that that. Yeah, you can

851
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: simultaneously have certain skills and capacity to do things in

852
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: front of a group or an audience or to host

853
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: a podcast. But also you know that it depending on

854
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: the situation. There are times when I'm not shy, but

855
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm quite reserved. Like I'm like, no, really good things.

856
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: I get often asked at social things or at like

857
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: sometimes an event if I'd like to say something, and

858
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: I go no, definitely, I really don't. Thank you. It's like, oh, yeah,

859
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: but you're you're I go, nah, I'm good, thank you.

860
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: Like at people's birthdays, big birthdays and shit, do you

861
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: want to say something? I go, nice, I don't, you know,

862
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: if it's my best mate and he wants me to, maybe,

863
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: but other than that, no, I have no desire to

864
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: just get up there at all.

865
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I get that. When Annie Jenny,

866
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: when Uneie Jenny died in October and we had her

867
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Speaker 3: celebration of life, then obviously well, I mean, maybe it's

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Speaker 3: not obvious, but at this particular event, which was not

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Speaker 3: a funeral, it was, you know, a gathering of people

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00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: tan coffee and afternoon tea and some people speaking about her,

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Speaker 3: and then there was kind of like open mic, and

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Speaker 3: I had I had thought about all the things that

873
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: I would want to say, but then I realized I

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Speaker 3: actually have said everything to her that I wanted to say,

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Speaker 3: because we were bedside for twelve days in the ICU

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Speaker 3: and she was conscious for a lot of it, and

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Speaker 3: I sort of had decided I'm not going to say anything,

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Speaker 3: which I think when I sort of told a few

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00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: family members, you know, I've decided not to say anything,

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00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: I sort of felt like I didn't feel the need

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00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: to do that. So I planned that. But then on

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00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: the day, after watching all those the photos and all

883
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: the memories and feeling so moved, I was compelled to.

884
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. Maybe the assumptions that

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Speaker 3: if you you know, I mean, it's they're fair assumptions,

886
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: aren't they. You've daily podcast and professional speaker, and so

887
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: surely you've got something you want to add.

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00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I often in a room, I'll feel like I'm

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00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: the least interesting person. And I'm not saying that. I'm

890
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Speaker 1: not fishing like it depends. You know. It's funny. It's

891
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: all context dependent, isn't it. It's like I say this, often,

892
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: depending on what room you're in, it could be the

893
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Speaker 1: smartest or the dumbest. You could be, the most talented

894
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: or the least. You can be, the most skilled or

895
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Speaker 1: the least you could be. You know, It's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: often in rooms with other people where I'm the least

897
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Speaker 1: interesting person in the room. I just want to listen

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Speaker 1: to you. I just want to listen to the others.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I think the rooms to be in,

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Speaker 2: aren't they That's the best.

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Speaker 1: I want to I always say to people, I used

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00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: to say this, and it kind of expanded from this.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when I was really young and I

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Speaker 1: was training people or teaching people, I'd say, and this

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Speaker 1: is purely about you know, training and sport, I'd say,

906
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: train with people better than you like whatever you do.

907
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: If you're a tennis player, play with someone better than you.

908
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: If you're a if you're a want to be bodybuild

909
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: or a power left or just a gym junkie, train

910
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: with people that are better than you, better genetics than you,

911
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: stronger than you like. Do that, you know, have debates

912
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: with people that are smarter than you, like whatever, you know.

913
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, if you're the best in your group,

914
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Speaker 1: then go get in another group.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the ego can stand in the way sometimes, can't

916
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Speaker 3: it This willingness to sort of say, hey, I don't

917
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Speaker 3: I don't know, help me. You know, I remember saying

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Speaker 3: to Pete, We've we've got a couple of acres.

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Speaker 2: And you know, righte on Moro and a handma and.

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00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: Lots of you know, busney bits and stuff like that,

921
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Speaker 3: you know, the stuff that you sort of need. And

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Speaker 3: you know, originally, when something would break down, neither of

923
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Speaker 3: us had the skills to fix it, whereas you know,

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Speaker 3: we know people who can go, oh yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 3: out fixing the mara and would have I don't know

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Speaker 3: why I'd.

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Speaker 2: Made them sound like an old fellah, I'm pracked from

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Speaker 2: the maa.

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Speaker 3: But you know the skills to do it, and and

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00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: you sort of get a bit down yourself and you realize,

931
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Speaker 3: I've never learned. I never learned. I never was interested

932
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Speaker 3: to learn. If I wanted to learn how to fix

933
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Speaker 3: them more, I'm sure I could. Peter could as well.

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Speaker 3: He's actually taught himself a lot. There's a lot that

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Speaker 3: he can do now. But when we were in our

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Speaker 3: early twenties and just starting off no clue, and I

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: think we can be really hard on ourselves sometimes and

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Speaker 3: we're like, well, I don't know, I'm not one of

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Speaker 3: those people. I don't know how to do that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff. And it's like, well, you never learned. It's

941
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: as simple as that, And if you wanted to, you could, Yeah, yeah,

942
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Speaker 3: just go.

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Speaker 1: To a different room. Hey, Joe, always awesome your butte.

944
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: And you know, if I hear about you whisking away

945
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Speaker 1: with a sixty five year old man from the swimming pool,

946
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Speaker 1: I won't be surprised, poor Pete. Tell people how they

947
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Speaker 1: can connect with you, please and thank you.

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Speaker 2: Ohwa's love chatting with you.

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Speaker 3: Craig. Yes, well, Hello Anxiety is my podcast, so come

950
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: on over and have a listen. And yes, also Instagram

951
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: a LinkedIn, and yeah, have a website as well, So yeah,

952
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: reach out, connect, say hello, and yeah look forward to

953
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 3: connecting back.

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Speaker 1: You're the best. Well hello anxiety, best known for podcast

955
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: in the world. Well, hello Anxiety, see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks her, see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Bye.