WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 11 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. Now, yes, of course I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what percent of one percent of global emissions we

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<v Speaker 1>should be dealing with before twenty thirty. Yes, of course

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about the ludicrousness of the everything must go

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<v Speaker 1>closing down sale of the Queensland budget. And yes, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>even find a way to have a little chat about

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden celebrating June teenth and proving that yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>true about rhythm. Perhaps about first, may I start with

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<v Speaker 1>something a little dangerous. It's called a laugh. Now, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to say that I didn't think that Trump could

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<v Speaker 1>be funnier on the campaign trail than when he was

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<v Speaker 1>running for reelection and he was talking about taps and toilets.

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<v Speaker 1>Try going and buying the new faucet. You turn it on,

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<v Speaker 1>nor water comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't talk about toilets, but you know that's a

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<v Speaker 1>deep But how about the shower. You go into a

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<v Speaker 1>shower and I have this beautiful head of hair, I

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<v Speaker 1>need a lot of water, and you go into the shower, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you turn on the water. Drip, drip, drip. I called

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<v Speaker 1>the games something wrong with this? No sir, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a restrictor.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're in there five times longer than you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes on a lot longer. But it was funny, right,

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then, just guess, everything is incredibly serious

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<v Speaker 1>and the world's all very serious, but every now and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's a bit of funny. And there was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of funny that came out of Trump's most recent

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<v Speaker 1>rally in the state of Nevada. Now this is, of

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<v Speaker 1>course the state home to Las Vegas, where currently it's

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<v Speaker 1>bloody hot. But for the first time in a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican Trump looks like he could win the state.

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<v Speaker 1>If he wins the state, then he's a massive chance

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<v Speaker 1>of being returned as the president. But I've got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one little bit inside a speech that was yes,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about all the very serious issues, but I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>help but think, thanks for the loft, Donald, this is

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<v Speaker 1>probably the next president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a boat company in South Carolina the

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<v Speaker 2>boat I said, how is it? He said, it's a problem, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>They want us to make all electric boats. So I said,

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<v Speaker 2>let me ask you a question, and he said, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>ever asked this question, and it must.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of Mit.

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<v Speaker 2>My relationship to Mit. Very smart. He goes, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>what would happen if the boat sank from its weight

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<v Speaker 2>and you're in the boat and you have this tremendously

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<v Speaker 2>powerful battery and the battery is now underwater and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a shark that's approximately ten yards over there?

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<v Speaker 1>Went out of shark attacks lately, did not said a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of shok Do I get electrocuted? If the boat is sinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do

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<v Speaker 2>I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do I jump over by the shark and not

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<v Speaker 2>get electrocuted? Because I will tell you he didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I think it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of electric current coming through

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<v Speaker 2>that water.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'd do if there was a

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<v Speaker 1>shark or you.

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<v Speaker 2>Get electrocuted, I'll take electrocution every single time.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knew this was a dilemma when you woke up today?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think you'd have to choose between the electrified

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<v Speaker 1>boat falling into the water versus the shark? Which would

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<v Speaker 1>you choose again. Just something silly that said in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a long election campaign that's still got months

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<v Speaker 1>and months ago, right, And for some people it's not

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<v Speaker 1>serious enough. I don't have a problem with it. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a problem with it. It's just silly, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is how it's interpreted the next day on

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<v Speaker 1>lefty TV in the United States. This is like Karen

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<v Speaker 1>in four k.

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<v Speaker 3>Some would call that completely unfit to deal with the

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<v Speaker 3>challenges as the leader the free world.

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<v Speaker 4>Just completely unfed.

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<v Speaker 1>M Look, as I said, the world's a tough place, war,

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<v Speaker 1>cost of living, poverty, whatever's going on in our own lives.

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<v Speaker 1>People getting sick, people that we love getting sick, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>us getting sick every now and then. Can we just

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<v Speaker 1>giggle at the shee's silliness of it? This is the

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<v Speaker 1>most perfect, eloquent thing that a presidential candidate has ever said. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a laugh. Who cares? Does anyone really think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a deep psychological insight into the failures

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<v Speaker 1>of the future leader of the third Right? Look, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you can hate them on all the policies, you can, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>even roll your eyes if you want. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't find the dilemma ridiculous, Then maybe you do take

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<v Speaker 1>yourself now before again, I get to what percent of

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of global emission should we do reduce in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia by twenty thirty and then twenty fifty, I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to it, right. I know that's what the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's on about. But there was a story that was

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<v Speaker 1>rather noticeable today that I'm surprised wasn't a little bit louder.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a story about water. Now. I love my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's a bottle water kind of person, right, She's

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<v Speaker 1>never really been a tap water kind of person. She

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<v Speaker 1>likes this. We buy it by the box every week.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she likes. I good old fashioned tap water

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't bother me. I'll even occasionally do the Bogan

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<v Speaker 1>thing of drinking out of the tap myself. No need

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<v Speaker 1>for the glass. Yes, the uncouthness that comes in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of this presenter each and every night. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a interesting story today which was about potential contamination

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<v Speaker 1>of our drinking water supply. Now, there was a report

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<v Speaker 1>which seems to be a bit of an extrapolation of

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<v Speaker 1>something that's happened out of America. But the suggestion is

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<v Speaker 1>that the drinking water of like two million people Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne in particular may will be contaminated by atmospheric issues

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<v Speaker 1>that end up landing in the water and if you

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<v Speaker 1>end up consuming an awful lot of it, well it's

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<v Speaker 1>not good for you. As the Sydney Morning Herald led today,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was their big exclusive, which again seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be slight repurposing of some data out of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and some interpretation that's come out of activist groups. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>the mast Head has analyzed publicly available data which indicates

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<v Speaker 1>the chemicals that are found in drinking water of up

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<v Speaker 1>to one point eight million Australians since twenty ten. So

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<v Speaker 1>headline screams the water's going to give you cancer, but

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<v Speaker 1>the actual numbers think about that, that's over fourteen year. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers start to slow a little here, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>turn the machine up to eleven and scare the people

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<v Speaker 1>that they did in the media today. What's the type

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<v Speaker 1>of chemicals We're talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Two pre fas contaminants p FOSS and PFI And what

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<v Speaker 5>they found is that there is likely linked to a

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<v Speaker 5>number of cancer endpoints, so tarticular and breast cancer, Kinney

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<v Speaker 5>cancer and other health effects.

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<v Speaker 1>As well just one second, probably not if that's the

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<v Speaker 1>case right. But interestingly, questions that followed up around all

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<v Speaker 1>of this today was okay, so how much do you

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<v Speaker 1>need to drink and how much exposure before any of

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<v Speaker 1>those things actually kick off in your body? The answer,

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<v Speaker 1>even from the people that were trying to freak us

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<v Speaker 1>out today was we don't know. So it Does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's not a story? No, not quite. Does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean that we're all going to die because of the

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<v Speaker 1>drinking water that we have in our country? No? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that our opinions of the chief Health officers

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<v Speaker 1>is a little dodgy at the moment in Australia after

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<v Speaker 1>they got it so right during COVID, But everyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the machine and in charge of the

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<v Speaker 1>system says nothing to see here would actually encourage people

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<v Speaker 1>to drink water.

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<v Speaker 6>We are very blessed with very safe water, so I

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<v Speaker 6>have no concerns about the safety and quality.

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<v Speaker 1>Laterst data should be very reassuring.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, I'd be very comfortable to drink water from

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<v Speaker 4>anywhere in Australia at the current level.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, doctor Kerry Chand I don't quite trust her do

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<v Speaker 1>trust Nick Codsworth, because of course he was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the same people who came out drink COVID going okay,

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<v Speaker 1>kids can still go to school, and the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Andrews and Martin McGowan got a gold medal for.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a weird story. Today the headlines would

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<v Speaker 1>have you believe that all tap order is terrible and

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<v Speaker 1>you must get a filter because if you're exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>too much of it, you'll end up getting cancer. But

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<v Speaker 1>then if the public health officials are being very direct

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<v Speaker 1>and telling us no, that's not the case, well, then

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<v Speaker 1>who's the one being irresponsible here? I can't tend because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not the scientist. Obviously, is it

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are exposing the problem or is it

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<v Speaker 1>the public health officials that aren't taking it seriously enough?

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<v Speaker 1>But interestingly, you would have thought that someone trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get stories around today that claim the evidence is that

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<v Speaker 1>there might be a problem with the drinking water supply

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<v Speaker 1>for a certain period of people over a certain period

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<v Speaker 1>of time would be bigger news. Or did other people

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<v Speaker 1>just realize maybe this isn't what it seems. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>there's either a huge story. No one's talking about here,

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<v Speaker 1>or a story we shouldn't be talking about because it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a story at all. On second thoughts, just drink up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all going to make us sick, isn't it eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>I assume? But take health advice from me, the morbidly

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<v Speaker 1>a B smoker. Anyway. Now, the thing that they were

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<v Speaker 1>all obsessed about today in Canberra had plenty of questions

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<v Speaker 1>and fingers ready to poke towards a person in power,

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<v Speaker 1>was what percent of one percent of global emissions should

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<v Speaker 1>Australia be committing to in twenty thirty. Now this is

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<v Speaker 1>a helpful graph. I made sure that we updated it

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<v Speaker 1>from the other one that we've shown you, which shows

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<v Speaker 1>from the Union of Concerned Scientists. It shows that of

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<v Speaker 1>all of the countries that are producing CO two and problems,

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<v Speaker 1>China would be thirty three percent, India would be the

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<v Speaker 1>best part of ten percent, the United States fourteen percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia five point eight percent, Indonesia, Little Old Indonesia, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>little old Indonesia's two hundred and fifty million people, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it five and a bit percent? The twenty seven countries

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<v Speaker 1>in the EU four point nine percent, then South Korea

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<v Speaker 1>and then others is thirteen. Now I had to break

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<v Speaker 1>it to you, but Australia is lumped in with others.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because, as I've said, where one percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>world's problem. Now, does that mean we should do nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Because who cares nine to nine problems and the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>ain't one. No, of course we should be doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question is should we be doing things that

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<v Speaker 1>end up costing too much money, hurting our economy, making

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<v Speaker 1>things too difficult for people, or, in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>the rapid expansion of renewable energy, should be literally destroying

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<v Speaker 1>the earth in order to save the atmosphere. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>those that demand absolute urgent climate action suggest that the

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<v Speaker 1>figures I have just presented to you are myth leading

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<v Speaker 1>myth information, because on per capita amounts, Australia is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest polluters in the world. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>you don't actually measure it that way. If the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is how much CO two has been put into the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere by humans, the result is just how much is

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<v Speaker 1>up and about, and the direct correlation is how much

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<v Speaker 1>each country is throwing up, not how many people are

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<v Speaker 1>throwing it up. Again, can we go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>map thirty three percent of the problem thirty three times

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<v Speaker 1>worse than anything Australia could do right now is China,

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<v Speaker 1>Yet under the Paris Agreement thirty one percent. I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the Paris Agreement, of course, we have this nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>where the western country is chiefly places like Canada, New Zealand, Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, Well, they all have to measure their crap.

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<v Speaker 1>They're thrown into the atmosphere from two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>But China, which is currently thirty times more than countries

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<v Speaker 1>like Australia, they can continue to do whatever they want

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<v Speaker 1>until twenty thirty. That's why I think the Paris Agreement

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<v Speaker 1>is not quite worth the paper that it's written on.

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<v Speaker 1>Not because we shouldn't do anything about climate change. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just isn't the issue that the person who's actually got

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<v Speaker 1>thirty bonfires in their backyard versus your one bonfire in

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<v Speaker 1>your backyard probably should put out a few of their

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<v Speaker 1>bonfires before we have to completely snuff out our bonfire

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<v Speaker 1>from which we get our heat and are able to

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<v Speaker 1>cook our food. Well, today the Prime Minister thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>he has found a way to change his slump in

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<v Speaker 1>the Poles, which was not saved by saving Andrew Giles,

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<v Speaker 1>the hopeless Immigration Minister, from a few weeks of failures

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<v Speaker 1>in the Parliament. It was not to be saved by

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<v Speaker 1>too little, too late in the budget. Instead, he thinks,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back and let's pretend the Liberals are all

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<v Speaker 1>auger booger on climate change and China means nothing. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what he said today.

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<v Speaker 7>No twenty thirty target means walking out of the Paris Agreement.

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<v Speaker 7>Now they have a number of policies over recent days,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's very clear that they can't be taken seriously

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<v Speaker 7>on an issue that is important to Australians today.

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<v Speaker 1>And here is what Peter Dunton actually had to say,

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<v Speaker 1>which by the way, is not there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>target for twenty thirty. It's just you know what, you're

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<v Speaker 1>forty three percent, which we didn't agree to at the

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<v Speaker 1>last election, we won't agree to at the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Shakhara breaking news roll the tape of the

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<v Speaker 1>alternative Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that with the energy policy which is a

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<v Speaker 3>complete train wreck. The renewable is only energy policy of

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<v Speaker 3>the government. It's driving prices up. At the next election

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<v Speaker 3>it will be about who do you trust to bring

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<v Speaker 3>your electricity prices down. It will be about who do

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<v Speaker 3>you trust to manage the economy and to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the cost of living crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>That Labour's created.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be about who do you trust to deal

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<v Speaker 3>with the housing crisis that labor has created in our country.

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<v Speaker 1>So the election is soon next year, but either way

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like we get into that stage where we're

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<v Speaker 1>having the proxy election. And because it's up to the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister whether it happens in August, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>earliest opportunity, or all the way through main Dune of

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<v Speaker 1>next year, which is the longest opportunity, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in this cycle for some time. But how did

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<v Speaker 1>the media interpret all of this today? Did they lay

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<v Speaker 1>it out the same way that I have for the

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<v Speaker 1>past few days that they're not really pulling out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Paris Agreement, they're just not agreeing with what they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't vote for in the Parliament, which is forty three percent. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, here's the man who called Tony Abbott the

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<v Speaker 1>most divisive political leader of his generation.

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<v Speaker 8>On Channel nine, Peter Dutton says he remains committed to

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<v Speaker 8>net zero emissions by twenty fifty, but today he effectively

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<v Speaker 8>abandoned Astraita's legislated short term target electorally risky, especially in

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<v Speaker 8>inner city electorates.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the opposition that didn't support the forty three percent

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<v Speaker 1>emissions cut when they were the government, and as the

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<v Speaker 1>opposition that did not vote for that target are promising

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<v Speaker 1>not to follow what they have opposed should they become elected.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind blown. Right, they never agreed with the policy of

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<v Speaker 1>forty three they never voted for it, and they won't

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<v Speaker 1>abide by it should they become the government. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course the sky is falling and this will just be

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<v Speaker 1>such a problem, and all those teal seats and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>never get to seventy seventy six seats, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Right again, all of this, in honesty is

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party trying to change the subject. Because in politics,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're on the defense, I eat, the story is

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<v Speaker 1>always about you, and you have to defend yourself for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason. Then generally speaking, you are losing the day.

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<v Speaker 1>The government has been on the backfoot since how long

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<v Speaker 1>in the last year on cost of living, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it was the tax cuts, and then it was the

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<v Speaker 1>immigration stuff. They've been on the back foot for months

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's fifty to fifty in the polls. So

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<v Speaker 1>as I showed you in chapter and verse in great

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<v Speaker 1>detail on Sunday night, Monday night, and again tonight, Petty

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<v Speaker 1>Dutton did not say we're yanking ourselves out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Agreement. Instead, their position is we'll have a target

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<v Speaker 1>if we have to for twenty thirty, but it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be lower than the one that you currently have,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that currently is forcing people to make certain

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<v Speaker 1>choices about cars and making the ones you want to

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<v Speaker 1>buy more expensive than the ones you don't want to buy.

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<v Speaker 1>Changing from an electricity grid that has worked to one

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<v Speaker 1>that hopefully fingers crossed that. A couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 1>the CSIO toldas was going to be a trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of transition, but now magically it's only five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars worth of transition. But nuclear is unacceptable because

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<v Speaker 1>it will cost billions of dollars for transition. You are

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<v Speaker 1>forgiven if you are a little dumb struck at times

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<v Speaker 1>by how this debate works. Well, guess what actually happened today.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an opinion poll, which we would think would

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<v Speaker 1>inform some of the media coverage about whether people had

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<v Speaker 1>changed their attitudes from where they were. Yes, just back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, what is the likelihood that the

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<v Speaker 1>Urbanese government will meet its aggressive emissions target of forty

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<v Speaker 1>three percent by twenty thirty Sixty nine percent of people

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<v Speaker 1>say unlikely or very likely. And then here's the question,

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<v Speaker 1>should Australia elevate energy reliability and affordability above sustainability. That's

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<v Speaker 1>now clicked in at fifty one to forty three with

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of people still making their mind up. It

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<v Speaker 1>was true in two thousand and seven, ten, thirteen, sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and twenty two that Australians are always in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of action on climate change, but I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it. When the government is not doing enough

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<v Speaker 1>on climate change, the poles say, we demand the government

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<v Speaker 1>does more. When the government decides to do more, but

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<v Speaker 1>it ends up costing you more through things like power bills,

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian population always flips back to say, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>this is costing me too much money. And that's not

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<v Speaker 1>because they don't understand the problem of climate change. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not because they don't want to do something about climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because I think in all of our little heart

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<v Speaker 1>of hearts. We know that Australia is one percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's problem, China is thirty percent, India is ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia is six times more than us. So yes, should

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<v Speaker 1>we do something. But if we did everything, which would

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<v Speaker 1>shut everything down, change everything in our lives, everyone getting

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<v Speaker 1>around on penny farthings like the Greens would like it

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<v Speaker 1>to be, we won't actually change the climate. Misinformation from

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<v Speaker 1>Scarni is the primetime. No, that's the reality. If everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was moving at the same place as Australia, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>probably could probably break the problems back. But until China,

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<v Speaker 1>who was producing the most, starts having to play by

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<v Speaker 1>the same rules as everyone else, then nothing is really

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. Because I hate to break it to people,

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<v Speaker 1>and while I am not a scientist, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>can work this out. The pollution that is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>one country goes on to affair other countries. For US,

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<v Speaker 1>yep one percent of the problem, but China thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if the Green's got their way, we'd still

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<v Speaker 1>have bushfires, We'll still have flooding events, and will still

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<v Speaker 1>have cyclones. None of that means we do nothing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just about the pace in which we do it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the debate. But for the people who have replaced the

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<v Speaker 1>religion with a God and holy texts, the thing they

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<v Speaker 1>believe in with the same fervor as those who believe

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<v Speaker 1>in the burning bush, is that climate change is the

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<v Speaker 1>existential problem. If we don't do every and anything about it,

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<v Speaker 1>then we're all going to die. We're all going to

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<v Speaker 1>be sent to hell metaphorically. Well, I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>a form of hell exists right now. And it's an

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenient truth to people on the extreme left who demand

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<v Speaker 1>greater action on climate change because they can afford to

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<v Speaker 1>pay it. There are people amongst us who can't afford

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of the transit. These will be the same

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<v Speaker 1>people who will always be unable to afford the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of transition. But what's really happening. They're getting the same

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<v Speaker 1>financial relief from this government as the people who live

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<v Speaker 1>in mansions inteel electorates of twenty five dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a specific example out of New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 1>Figures provided the Sunday Telegraph show the number of applications

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<v Speaker 1>for assistance emergency assistance when it comes to power bills

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<v Speaker 1>is two hundred and fifty a day back during the

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<v Speaker 1>in bits of the pandemic to now three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty a day in the past six months. Last year,

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<v Speaker 1>the combined number of government and charity issued vouchers for

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<v Speaker 1>power was just over seventy thousand one state, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just over sixty thousand and sixty two thousand in the

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<v Speaker 1>COVID lockdown years. Yet, because the people who are on

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<v Speaker 1>the left of politics want to make the decisions about

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<v Speaker 1>changing our power grid by moving to exclusively or renewables

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<v Speaker 1>at least what eighty something percent in the next few

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<v Speaker 1>years and eventually one hundred percent. Now, this will make

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<v Speaker 1>them all feel good when they go to climate conferences,

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<v Speaker 1>and after you've paid it off from being built. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there is a financial change, but the cost of transition,

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<v Speaker 1>the same cost of transition that I've talked about for

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, can't be ignored. The question is whether the

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<v Speaker 1>politics is going to be with Peter Dutton that okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the transition that he prefers the money to be spent

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<v Speaker 1>on his nuclear versus the money being spent currently on renewables. Now, remember,

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<v Speaker 1>for people who live in densely populated parts of Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably pro renewables because it's never been built in

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<v Speaker 1>their backyards. See what would happen if someone suggested a

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<v Speaker 1>wind farm go into one of the doggy parks of

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<v Speaker 1>a Teal electorate. You reckon they'd back it in. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so either. Meantime, another issue about the real

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<v Speaker 1>world that is worth reminding people about right now, which

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<v Speaker 1>is of course the economy with relentless focus. We talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it because there are too many people that are

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<v Speaker 1>being not just forgotten, but I think deliberately ignored. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not acceptable in a country where I'm more than happy

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<v Speaker 1>that I am lucky enough to be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a position where there's an awful lot of tax

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<v Speaker 1>which goes back, but that tax goes back with the

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<v Speaker 1>expectation of Medicare and welfare and taking care of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are in the world of trouble. I don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>that about our system. It's when it's peed up against

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<v Speaker 1>the wall on things like government advertising or the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister gets new planes that I have my issues. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Treasurer will tell you everything's fine with the economy.

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<v Speaker 9>These national accounts so we got the budget settings right.

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<v Speaker 9>They justify our approach to fighting inflation. And repairing the

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<v Speaker 9>budget without smashing the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that guy is getting excited and trying to tell

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<v Speaker 1>everyone I deserve a gold star because there was that

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<v Speaker 1>much growth in the Australian economy zero point one percent

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<v Speaker 1>in three months. Everything is awesome, Everything is great per capita.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in a recession. The real world is in a

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<v Speaker 1>recession and one of the things that is hurting people

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of their ability to pay basic bills is

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<v Speaker 1>things like paying off their houses. For millions of Australians,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the biggest investment they'll ever make. And regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>whether you bought it at the height of the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>or you did it five years ago or ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates matter. And the latest expectation from the A

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<v Speaker 1>and Z Bank is the Reserve Bank will not even

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<v Speaker 1>touch them until next year. So if there's an election

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<v Speaker 1>this year, good luck to Albo. And even in February

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<v Speaker 1>of next year, good luck to Albo. Remember since he

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<v Speaker 1>came to power, they've gone up twelve times thirteen in

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<v Speaker 1>all since May of twenty twenty two. Adam Boyton, who

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the economists at the A and zib

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<v Speaker 1>says that he does not expect inflation to start to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with anything by November. He says that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>monetary policy that isn't working, it is it's the economy

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<v Speaker 1>that's clearly slow, particularly across private final demand. For this reason,

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<v Speaker 1>we need a rate hike. Sorry, we think that ay

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<v Speaker 1>rate hike remains unlikely. So reality for Australians right now,

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<v Speaker 1>pick your loan anywhere between five hundred thousand dollars or

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<v Speaker 1>over a million bucks. You've had to find an extra

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen twenty one or twenty nine thousand dollars are year

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<v Speaker 1>on top of everything else you have to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>that's got more under this government now. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>people that are truly struggling, they continue to struggle. The

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<v Speaker 1>people that are struggling, of course, are not these people.

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<v Speaker 1>These people, of course got their highest pay rise in

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. It's not this bloke because he also got

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<v Speaker 1>the pay rise. But he's also getting not one but

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<v Speaker 1>two new private planes. Oh sorry, media watch. Yes, technically

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<v Speaker 1>they were ordered by the Morrison government, but they've been

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>in power for two years and didn't cancel it. So yeah,

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Elbow's ordering the planes. But the reality of our economy

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and the people that are getting squeezed by it. Normal people.

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Even the Channel nine newspapers they talk about this about

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>how the inflation dragon. People writing to them say that

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>it's the people who need the most that are getting

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>hurt the most. And then there's this story which goes

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 1>back to a subject that we've talked about a lot

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>on the show because I really fit in, can care

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>about it, that middle class Victorians make up the face

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>of hunger amid the cost of living crisis. Well, the

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister is playing the games that he plays. Here's

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 1>a reality. You know, food Bank, that great charity I

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>talk about all the time. Well, they put out some

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>new details which should shame the federal government who supposedly

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.719
<v Speaker 1>care because they're more compassionate than evil Augebuger Liberal Party

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton, Australia's Trump. Food Bank Australia Who's latest snapshot

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>of need shows three point seven million households struggle to

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>put food on the table last year. They now say

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that many households with mums and dads working at least

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>one job are now in food stress. Is this okay Australia.

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>The alarming trend comes as new research shows a quarter

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of Australians are anxious about putting enough food on the table.

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that they are thankful to a government

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>that's giving them twenty five bucks a month on power,

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the same amount they're giving to millionaires. This bloke who's

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 1>the CEO of Food Bank in Victoria, David McNamara, he

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>says that sixty five thousand meals are being distributed by

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>them every day. The middle class, what we all aspire

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to be, are the ones that are feeling this impact.

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 1>We've got mums and dads working two jobs to put

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>families first and to put food on the table, and

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately they're putting themselves to bed without food. They're sending

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to their kids to bed without food, and that's not

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>our society. This is an uncomfortable conversation to have, but

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 1>there are too many of us going hungry. That's not

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the country. We're supposed to be a hungry country. We're

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be the lucky country. So forgive me if

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I am not singing from the same song sheet as

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the people who talk about politics all

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>day every day, who think that the single most important

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>thing in our nation right now is what percent of

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.239
<v Speaker 1>one percent of global emissions we should be cutting by

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty.

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 3>I care.

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>About sixty thousand people in one state alone a day

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>that are getting some sort of a meal. Sixty thousand

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>meals a day coming from food meating that people who

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>are not homeless and destitute and maybe not even applying

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>for centlink are the focus of this. No, No, it's

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>people who've got jobs. It's people who send their kids

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to bed hungry or send themselves to bed hungry. So

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>if the Prime Minister or the opposition leader would like

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to make a very strong statement about what people actually

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>care about at the moment, can we find some more

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>money for the charities that are actually helping the people

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>out now while the political conversation in Cambury is so

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>often not about these people now, sometimes it can be

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>repetitive for you to watch at times, and no doubt

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>at times even a little boring. There he goes again

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>with the food being thing. But we're lucky, We're okay.

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>You pay your tax, you work hard, you have worked hard,

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and you have paide attacks. But a government that wants

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to tell you that you should kiss their boots because

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>they're managing the economy when the rate in the growth

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>in the past three months is zero point one percent.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 1>It's all just fantasyland rubbish. Where's their announcement about more

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>money for charities. That's when I know they truly care

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>about the little people. So I hope that the little

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>people remember that the people in charge the Labor Party,

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister from Housing Commission, with the dog and

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it, couldn't care less about you

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and your food on the table tonight. Who could not

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>care less about a footy stadium of people who have

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to apply for help to keep the freaking lights on.

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So don't reward him with your vote because you always

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>have because he doesn't care. He just assumes you'll vote

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>for him. He assumes he will forever be the Prime

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Minister because as long as the teals are in place

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and they care about climate chain more than anything else,

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>that the Liberal Party will never get to seventy sixties.

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>So I'll just rule forever. But what sort of a

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>country is it when they take more tax than ever before,

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.479
<v Speaker 1>yet more people than ever before are lining up for

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>free food from a charity. All about this and a

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>whole lot more in a moment's time here on Paul

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Murray Life lots to get to Holly Hughes Sam Crosby

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>in the man Cave. I had a lot of other stuff,

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>but I think I made my point. Thank you so

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>much for watching in the man Cave. Let's lock it down.

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>This will be fun. It's pen and no pen at

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>one pace. It's got so wonderful Holly Hughes, the equally

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>lovely Sam Crosby left and right. You get him here,

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>So charity point well made. Sam, of course does a

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of work within his no doubt agree and Holly,

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about it before, so I recognize what we've

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>said to this point in the show. But let's talk

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>about the important issue, which is what percent of one

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>percent of global emissions we must set the target out

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>for six years from now now. When I first saw

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>on Saturday Lives planning to pull out of Paris Agreement,

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the political nerd in me goes, really, what seat are

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>they going to win in the like this is bad?

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>And then actually read the interview and they didn't say it.

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>It had just been sort of whipped up and turned out, yeah, like,

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>let's change the subject, right, But we've now got to

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the place Peter Dutton says, well, surprise, surprise. The policy

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>we took to the last election, which is we don't

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>agree with forty three percent, will be our position after

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the next election. Yet the Prime Minister, desperate to change

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>the subject from many months of failure, is trying to

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>pretend that the climate nasties are back inside the Liberal Party.

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Isn't the reality that Australias on this discussion right, which

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the left is called climate wars, which god bankers. But

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>it's always fifty to fifty, right, when if whatever one

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>you choose, eventually the public turns around and says you

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>should have chosen the other path. Right, More action equals

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>higher cost, lower cost equals less action. Well, surprise, surprise,

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and cost of living. I know which one they're going to.

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 6>Picklo cost absolutely, And the reality is, and this is

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 6>where Peter Dutton's leadership is so strong in this area,

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 6>and he's continuing to really show himself as the alternate

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 6>Prime Minister because he's being honest with the Australian people.

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 6>And I know, I know this might seem outrageous to

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 6>some people, but the reality is is we are under

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 6>getting nowhere near the targets, and we are chasing an

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 6>ideology under Bowen and Albanezi. Not only are the renewable

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 6>projects not on target, and again these are all going

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 6>into rural and regional areas. They're not going into the

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 6>Teal seat. In fact, the Teal seats when they had

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 6>the opportunity to put a battery in Waverley and North City,

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 6>let me guess they rejected it. They rejected a battery

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 6>side of a storage you know, shipping container. But they

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 6>want rule and regional Australians to wear solar farms over

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 6>arable farming land as well as having new transmission lines

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 6>bulldoze through their communities. But so the transmission lines are

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 6>way behind schedule, the renewable projects and way behind schedule.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 6>And to say no coal, no gas, no nuclear, there's

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.320
<v Speaker 6>no way we're keeping the lights on. And what you

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 6>know Peter Darton is saying is we need an honest approach,

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 6>We need a real discussion and we are not going

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 6>to do anything to our economy that removes productivity and

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 6>any advantage that we have. And to make sure that

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 6>families can pay their power bill.

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a novel idea, correct. But the issue,

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of course, Sam is that there are certain people who,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>as I said, in this religious light thing. There is

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>a number that must be achieved, and the numbers should

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>be bigger than any number we've previously had in the past,

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 1>because if Australia doesn't do our bid, then we're client

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>or all of that right, But equally the pushback surely

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to what Holly's just said is okay, cool, But none

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of the kofire power stations just magically regrow. They've all

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>been blown up. Right, We've made a choice, We've gone

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>on a path. The Dunton position is well cool. We

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>can pull back and there's another path over here, but

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>either of these parts are going to be very expensive.

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:18.240
<v Speaker 1>That said, we've got the Prime Minister pretending that he's

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>still running against Scott Morrison, that he's running against the

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>guy who hasn't signed zero twenty fifty, that isn't going

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to Glasgow. All of this scrap And I just wish

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Albow would work out that he's got an opportunity to

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>lead a conversation. But if he wants to just keep

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>fighting the twenty twenty two election, he's going to get

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>a kick in the bum at some time.

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 4>Sure, But what's Peter Dutton's policy, what's the number Okay,

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:43.280
<v Speaker 4>so we're.

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Poured thirty four was there one of the last federal elections.

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>He hasn't said that, But he hasn't said that matter.

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 6>Honestly, what does that matter?

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>If you agree on the destination, what's the point of

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the journey.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 6>What does it matter what the number is. Let's be

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 6>honest with the Australian people. Eighty two percent renewables by

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 6>twenty thirty ever going to happen, and the costs are

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 6>continuing to increase. What the number is is you know

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 6>we're still committed to net zero in twenty five.

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 4>It matters because of what you said at the very

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 4>start of this, which was Peter Dutton's honest Peter Dutton

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 4>wants to have a credible conversation. Now that may well

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 4>be the case, but honesty to me says he's got

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 4>to go to the Australian people and say, is my

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 4>planry it's behind I'm sorry. It's a policy setting that

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 4>then informs a whole range of different investment decisions all

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:33.959
<v Speaker 4>the way down the line.

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:39.360
<v Speaker 6>And so if you're for a whole lot of investment opportunity.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, but let's talk about let's talk about nuclear

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 4>Why won't he say here's the policy, here's where it's

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 4>going to go, here's how much is going to cost.

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 4>If he were to say, yes, he's twenty billion dollars

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 4>and we've allocated that in the forward estimates, and it's

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 4>going to go in these.

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.800
<v Speaker 6>Two electors of politics, you don't come out you know

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 6>it's all moder election, yet you don't come out with

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 6>your suite of policies way through a term.

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Or you are not voting.

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 4>It is not going to come out this side of

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 4>the election.

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 1>And say that, and you will. That's what looks this

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 1>in gaming game. Slowly you will.

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 6>I don't think he's hiding that he's interested in you

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 6>let me.

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Let me in. In answered part of the question in

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>his budget and reply speech, he already signaled the locations

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>which was existing. Its right existing. So therefore, if you've

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>had a call fire POWERstation, the plan under the lefties

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.720
<v Speaker 1>is that the power station is replaced with a battery.

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Under the liberals, it would be that that would be

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the nuclear power stations. They ain't coming to

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 1>suburban streets anytime under that plan, right, So that that's

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the first one. So I feel like we can build

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>up what the location is, whatever the cost. I would

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>put the same pressure on Peter Dutton that I put

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>on elbow about the cost. But albou was allowed to

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>lie about five hundred thousand jobs and two hundred and

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>seventy five dollars off. But that was the modeling based

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>off three years ago, and now we don't have to

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 1>apply to what. Sorry sir.

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 4>It's one thing to give modeling and for that modeling

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 4>to become wrong, right, and to get that number wrong

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 4>in a couple of years.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>So he can make up whatever modeling he wants to

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the next give.

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.439
<v Speaker 4>Us the modeling and then give the government the chance

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 4>to pull it apart, in the same way that Albanzi

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 4>when he was Opposition leader gave Peter Dutton. But so

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 4>gave Scott Morrison the chance to do that.

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>But I won't look. I don't have the forensic mind

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to know exactly when that announcement came out. But that

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>announcement did not come out too far out from them.

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember it was pretty late in the cycle. At

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the National Pressure Club. If somebody can go and find

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>it and work out done at it.

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<v Speaker 6>We heard over one hundred short times two hundred and

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 6>seventy five dollars.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 4>But by the same point Albanize wasn't proposing to build

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 4>nuclear power. He was so much a colle dollart complain

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 4>around the station is an enormous investment. It's a huge

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 4>turn of if you're going to if you're going to

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 4>propose that, then it is incumbent on you to say

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 4>how you are.

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Don't you?

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't disagree with you. But what I'm saying is

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is that I think that there is

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>a political class conversation which is about which is about

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>targets and international importance and all the rest of it. Right,

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>does that is completely irrelevant conversation of which you should

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>never answer the questions none. But the question that I

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>think is playing out for Australians is the one that

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>existed in polling in twenty twenty two and many years prior, right,

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>which was the choice between action versus cost. All right,

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 1>at this cycle, cost is all well and good if

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>your interest rates are close to zero, But when your

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>interest rates are gone up twelve times, cost becomes a

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 1>different issue. So either the Labor government turns around says well, okay,

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>we're just going to slow down, try and hold off

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>the cost, which they won't do. Instead, he thinks he

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>can win the next election by finding an even higher number,

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and there might be some backfight on that. But we've

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>got a couple of lines out of both both of

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>them today which pretty much seemed to be the preview

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of what they think is the attack going into the

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 1>next election. Dutton said that Albow was weak and rattled

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 1>and Albo said divisive. Now, whichever one of those ends

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 1>up getting into your perceptions. If it's weak and rattled,

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>what it means is that every time the government makes

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>an announcement it looks like they're making it out of desperation,

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 1>like Queensland or Divisive is well by opposing everything that

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>we do, then they don't have any plan for the future.

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Obviously you can both argue your corners on that. But

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>we're starting to see these hits that are sort of

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 1>election level hits at a point in time when we're

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>being told election is next year, but it could be

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>as early as August. What does it say to you

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>that they've honed the hits now so that when people

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 1>argue at the barbecue, they can say we can rattle,

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and then somebody says divisive, we can rattle divisive and

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>then somebody says, come, we all just get along and

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 1>have a better politics. They are the tales tell them

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to go, oh god, yeah done as political animals. What

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>does it say to you?

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 6>I think, look, I think we're probably headed to an

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 6>election at the end of this year. Is looking increasingly

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 6>more likely. I think that's for a whole raft of reasons,

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 6>including it doesn't look like we're going to get into

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 6>a straight cut this year and we may not get

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 6>one to the middle of next year, so they're very

0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 6>unlikely to get one before going to the election, and

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 6>so why not go early. I don't think they'll go

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 6>August because I think they're going to let Queensland get

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.879
<v Speaker 6>their cricket bats out for the state government before they

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 6>go federal because they don't want to bear the brunt

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:11.879
<v Speaker 6>of So.

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>That's late October.

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 6>That means November, November, get first of December. So I look,

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, but it's all speculation with we just go

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 6>to the new South Wales redistribution to come out on Friday.

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.240
<v Speaker 6>So there's still lots and lots of moving pieces.

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 4>Here and those numbers need the reagibusion needs to be

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 4>finalized before the elections called for fear that.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>They take on the old boundary.

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, they take the two seats that are most under quota,

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 4>which is Warringa and Wentworth, and they smash them together.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and which to work across the harbor.

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's right, because they technically have a border, which

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 4>is the definition the aec uses.

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>But of course there's a lot of water in between,

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of out there Sydney. But ye okay, so

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>this is interesting anyway, It's just it's worth watching again

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the joints of the show.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.400
<v Speaker 6>Jets, keys or something across the harbor from one sided

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 6>the election.

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Perhaps they could just use you know, I won't

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>say that.

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 6>Can you imagine just sorry, two deals having their seats

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 6>smashed together, the allegro.

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Twals that want a job share in Melbourne. Maybe they

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 1>could job.

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Share their seed got abolished, I was deacon, sorry Higgins?

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, correct, So they can still keep going it all right,

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>quick breakpack the more pleasy to talk about high low,

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 1>lots of fights and all the rest in between, lots

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 1>of talk about here and Pulmurray life. I like these

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>longer chats. It feels like the old school show, you know,

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>went on for six hours, of course, but still we

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>were able to have these very long chats and unpleased

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that were able to do so as well as had

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the big opinion at the start of the show, of

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>course he was Sam Crosby and with Holly Hughes always

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.399
<v Speaker 1>welcome in the man cave. Send me an email, Paulitscardews

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 1>dot com dot Au, play that back and if you

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 1>play it back at minus the speed, I'll have a

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 1>normal voice rather than a race call of speed. I apologies,

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:01.879
<v Speaker 1>I apologize. So Queensland today looked like and a few

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>people have had this hot take, which is that it

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:08.879
<v Speaker 1>looks like the closing down everything must go person drug

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 1>sale approach to a budget which is one thousand for

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 1>this and fifty for that all the rest of it, right,

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>which is very obvious about the Queensland election seeming like

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 1>the queens and Labor Party is where the Poles say,

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>headed for complete smashings, right, not going to be close. However,

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 1>is there a chance it could work? I just want

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to always ask the impossible question, because nothing is inevitable.

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 4>Sam, of course, it's yeah, of course that can win

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 4>in every election. Anyone that goes into it saying no, no, no,

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 4>this side can never win it. You know, I think

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 4>Anastasia and Campbell Newman think Trump. I think whatever, of

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 4>course it can happen, So the two horse races, of

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 4>course it can happen. I am a little bit empathetic

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 4>to the poor old Queenslanders. I mean, either it's a

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 4>cost of living budget or they're out of touch.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, if my help or not enough, right, welcome

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>to the gods.

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Pom respond to it, then they're going to be out

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 4>of touch. And if they did, then they're going to

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 4>be accused of trying to god loss issue there is,

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 4>what's it to do?

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, But again I mean for their part,

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>the Ell and Pece turnerunds and I will agree with

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>all of this stuff well, which I think is just

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>intellectually a little wobbly, right, because again I understand small

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>target strategy, and I understand that this is a party

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>that has been like really psychologically smacked about by a

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>labor party that you know, as a government didn't deserve

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the last term, but COVID gave them another term. They're

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 1>used to the dematic and ads that come out, or

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.399
<v Speaker 1>they're used to the the you know, people up at

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>a Mount Couther and all those TV stations eventually on

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>a promise of working for them, so they're used to

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 1>their mistakes becoming cataclysmic. But I don't think they have

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 1>to agree to everything all the time because I think

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>people want to get rid of them, which means some

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:49.360
<v Speaker 1>of their ideas are crap and we don't want to

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 1>back them in.

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 6>So look, I actually made a few phone calls today

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 6>to Queensland MPs senators and a candidate up there and

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 6>to get bit of a sense of what you know

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 6>and what Chris Folly was talking about when he said,

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, he talked about agreeing with certain things, and

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 6>what he was basically saying was if there are commitments

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 6>to infrastructure, if there's funding given to a community group,

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 6>where there is funding given somewhere that you know.

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.840
<v Speaker 1>A thousand dollars six months, you know we're not We're.

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 6>Not going to stand in the way of that. To

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 6>Sam's point, you know, can they win it? I think

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 6>what's interesting is the Labor Party cannot get candidates to

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.240
<v Speaker 6>run in some seats that should be in play. That's

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 6>how on the nose they are. But I think what

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 6>no one has raised and what was announced today was

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 6>the Labor Party has announced in this budget that they

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 6>are giving every single MP an extra electorate staff really

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 6>and so what that smells like to me is they're

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 6>padding their own nest in expectation for a loss. So

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 6>they've got a few more staffers on board to help

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 6>them along, and that seems to have slipped through to

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 6>the keeper. So I think those sorts of things are

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 6>indicative that they know they're in trouble. They know that

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 6>this is the slide four months to the election. And

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 6>you know, Sam, you're right, there's too much cost of living,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 6>not enough cost of living. But the debt in a

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 6>state that is so mining heavy yet is got a

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 6>massive deficet. What are they doing with the mining royalties,

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 6>what are they doing with the resources, with their resources

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 6>and mental.

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.800
<v Speaker 1>One hospitals, youth crime, all of those issues that again,

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>good times have been there plenty of times, and the

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>structural advantage of having so much mining in their in

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>their state means yeah again, but we'll a wait and see,

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>all right, a couple before we go, Joe Biden, so

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>let us polls. Another one comes out today, This was

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>CBSU gov. It shows that yes, headline, it's like fifty

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>forty nine swing states. It's allegedly in Biden's favor. But

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.320
<v Speaker 1>then let's start to get into the issues. Once you

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>actually get into the issues, something like eighty percent of

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Americans say they expect their financial circumstances under a re

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>elected Biden government to be the same or worse, which

0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>means depleted or worse. James Carvill, who we all know

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 1>have an affection for the great Democrat strategist, has said, oh, well,

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't want him to run, but he's running,

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's the way it is. Who knows whether something

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 1>magical happens in the ether and there is a different

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 1>change to you. But let's imagine it was would a

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 1>different Democrat be able to beat Trump because it would

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 1>just be a ruler line under it move on to

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the next generation thing or structurally it's bad and they

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>want the guy who it wasn't as bad under.

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 4>I would have said, yes, a couple of months ago,

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 4>you're just getting the runways getting shorter and shorter and shorter.

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 4>You know the problem with all of those polls is

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 4>that it's essentially asking a proxy for name recognition, and

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 4>any governor, senator, you're never going to compare to President. Right,

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 4>everyone knows the president. No one knows their governor or

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 4>their senator or their congressman or whatever.

0:47:59.239 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.720
<v Speaker 4>I think there there governors like Gretchen Whitmer who could

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 4>absolutely have taken the fight to Trump and I think

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 4>won it. But there's no runway for it. So even

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 4>if you know the last minute change in Biden, how does.

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 6>That it almost looks like now because you're right, the

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 6>runway has got so short that the only way they

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 6>could do a switch is if Biden stepped down and

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 6>Kamala Harris stepshart.

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Is why he has.

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 6>Trump is going to wipe the floor, which is why

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 6>he's running.

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and I mean that's why.

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 6>The footage today of him dancing standing like a weird

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 6>cryogenic statue.

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how is that the.

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 6>Leader of the free world.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>It is becoming beyond a Joe correct. Well, but that

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>look that said again fifty to fifty races issues have

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 1>said before abortional. We'll see what happens, but at the moment,

0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the numbers are all heading in one direction and the

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>poles probably not going to be that wrong. Thank you

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 1>guys to appreciate it. The late debate is next. CENMA