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Speaker 1: Tommy Arry, Welcome to the Backstage podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Jesus, it's nice to be outre you. How was

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Speaker 2: the drive very long? I felt like I was driving

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Speaker 2: the camera. It was that long. It's not Once you

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Speaker 3: You've always got a spare room.

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Speaker 3: You just gives good as use a few tipsy, We'll

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Speaker 1: Have you and Dad met before a few times?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry at the airport the other day. He's going

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Speaker 3: How was that the wedding? You know, weddings are like Tommy,

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Speaker 3: you know it was all right you sort of it was.

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Speaker 3: I've been to too many of them, sort of get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love them.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, you're saying you've been on the Have

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Speaker 2: I've been on there once a bit of a stitch up, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't you can't remember what you got me up for.

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Speaker 2: But it was a bit of a waste of time, Tommy.

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Speaker 3: That's what we do, mate, We waste time. We had

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Speaker 1: True love story. I love how their relationship started. I

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Speaker 1: Remember in the restaurant? Remember did you hear that? You

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Speaker 2: I grew up at Warick Farm well out at the Oaks.

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Speaker 2: It's in the blood in blood, mate, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They made I find animals unpredictable. Apart from the dog.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, Oh mate, Jesus Tommys, you're playing tunesport.

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Speaker 2: It's just a dark hole that you can't get out of.

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Speaker 1: of it has it? What effect have you found has

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00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,920
Speaker 1: on your racing? Is it made you a better racer?

438
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,199
Speaker 1: Or do you feel is there more in yourself? Is

439
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 1: there almost more to live for outside of racing, so

440
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,720
Speaker 1: it makes you a worse jockey?

441
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:58,680
Speaker 3: Like? What is it?

442
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 2: No? I don't think it's changed too much with the ID.

443
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 2: I ride with a clearer head, I think so. I

444
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,879
Speaker 2: guess as pros and consie both ways you look at it.

445
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,400
Speaker 2: But I don't think a lot's changed in my riding.

446
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,239
Speaker 2: I don't give racing as much as I used to.

447
00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,919
Speaker 2: I give my family a bit more time than I

448
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 2: used to give racing everything. But I think it's the

449
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 2: old saying of you can give as much as you

450
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,160
Speaker 2: want to something, it doesn't mean you're going to get

451
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,440
Speaker 2: as much in return. And I found that out over

452
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: the years like, the more I gave racing, I didn't

453
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 2: mean I got any more back. It just meant I

454
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 2: got back what, you know, what I worked for. So

455
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 2: I sort of got to the point now where racing

456
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,719
Speaker 2: has given me a great life. It's provided a beautiful

457
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 2: off of my family. So I'll give them as much

458
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,200
Speaker 2: as I can, but I'm not going to let them

459
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 2: or let the sport take away what you know, my

460
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 2: family deserves as well. And four kids, it's a fair

461
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 2: bit of time.

462
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,679
Speaker 3: Get into jockey who just serve under with your apprenticeship

463
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 3: was a Gay ward house?

464
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 2: No. I was with my father for three years my apprenticeship,

465
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: and then I got offered to go to Gay as

466
00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 2: a stable rider. And she said, well you can't. You

467
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 2: can't an a next to your name and come to

468
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,959
Speaker 2: me as a stable right, It's not gonna work. So

469
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: the stewards let me finish my apprenticeship a year early

470
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: because I'd already out ridden my claim. And she actually

471
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 2: offered the job to my brother but didn't know it

472
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 2: was him. So she was at Wark Farm and she goes,

473
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 2: come over here, mister Berry. So Nathan walked down and

474
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 2: she goes, I want to offer you the job as

475
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: stable id and my brother he's just like a static.

476
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: This is his dream. And then she is rambling on

477
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: and she goes, you know, the way you wrote Crue

478
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 2: to Queen and the Magic Millions to win a month

479
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: ago was incredible, and he said, gay, that was my brother,

480
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,959
Speaker 2: and she didn't even flinch. She goes, okay, then go

481
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 2: get him see her later and just send him on

482
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: his way. And then I came out and I had

483
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: a job with her for four years, which is unreal.

484
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 3: Oh that is that's a little bit like being an apprentice.

485
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: How do they treat you in the jockey room, Tommy.

486
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough because like you've got your older

487
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 2: guys and which I'm sort of in the middle. Now

488
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm not the oldest, I'm not the youngest, but you

489
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 2: see these young kids coming through and I was that

490
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 2: young kid. But now it's like the Zach Lloyd's and

491
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: Dylan Gibbons and stuff like that, and they're coming through

492
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: and going well, and you're like, oh, you know, they're

493
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: the ones almost pushing you, and you've got to work

494
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 2: harder to hold your spot. And like anything, the New

495
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: Land began, he always looks better than the old one,

496
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: you know. So but at the moment we're quite lucky.

497
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: It was tough coming up. Jim Cassidy, he's unreal but

498
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: always spoke, spoke his mind. Shane Dye, he's the same

499
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 2: Rodney Quinn Huey Bowman was. He was younger, you know,

500
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: he's a little bit older now. And so they're the

501
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: guys I sort of came to throw under and it

502
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 2: was a tough school mate.

503
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: That's the big characters there, Pumper and Shane Die.

504
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and even Darren Beeman he was there and

505
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 2: so yeah, it was the guys I was in.

506
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 3: All interesting to say that, Tommy, Like, you know, we

507
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 3: can like rugby lue training. When you're a young guy

508
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: and you turn up and you're playing under twenty ones

509
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 3: and just starting to come through the grades. When you

510
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: turn up fitness work, they'll say to you, listen, your

511
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: little you don't have to look bad d you just

512
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: pull back to the pack, you know, don't get carried away.

513
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: Is it like that with you, ye, one hundred percent.

514
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 2: You'll be out there in a race and obviously like

515
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: you're still learning how to ride, but you get paid

516
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: the same as the other guys. So It doesn't matter

517
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 2: if you're having your first race ride ever or if

518
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 2: you're me now that's had thousands of race rods, you

519
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: get paid the same.

520
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

521
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're on a shipload of money, so you

522
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: think you're king shit, you stuff, and then you go

523
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: out there and ride like that and you might shove

524
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: them out the way at the six hundred, and it's

525
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: just they come in and grab you by the say,

526
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: listening to you, little prick. You can swear on you. Yeah,

527
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: listen to you a little pricked. Now that's the second

528
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: time you've done it to me. If you do it again,

529
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 2: I'll put you on the deck. And when they said

530
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: I'll put you on the deck, they meant it as well.

531
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: So they just sort of put you back in your

532
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: place and you and it's good you needed that, you know,

533
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: But it was Yeah, there was plenty of that, Like

534
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: Zach Lloyd's going through it with Nash at the moment.

535
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: So Nash and Zach have had a few little run

536
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: ins and it's it's been quite entertaining actually, So it's good.

537
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: Question for you for people who might not know too

538
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: much about like if they're listening, they don't know too

539
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: much about the jockey room. Explain that. To explain that

540
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: to me, Like what is the hierarchy in there? And like,

541
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: if you're a young guy coming, is there only a

542
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: certain amount of spots within a certain like within that

543
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: sort of clubhouse before they drop people in and out?

544
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: Like is that how work?

545
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 3: Not?

546
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: Really? The way you're getting into town and riding town

547
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: is by good form. You know you're not. You've got

548
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: to get rides. So I've got a manager. He takes

549
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: my rides two weeks out. So obviously I ride in

550
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: town every week. But these younger guys that are studding

551
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: to come prove they've got to prove themselves to be

552
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: able to ride winners at the country and the provincials

553
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: to get them rides in town. So it works out.

554
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: We get the raisers hand our phone and getting the

555
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: jockeys room. We've all got a valet, so they've got

556
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: all of our gear set up ready to go. You've

557
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: all got your spot. The young guy comes in. It's

558
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: funny because the young guys they don't know who sits

559
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: where when they first get there, so they're all excited.

560
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: So they're getting there early and they'll go sit in

561
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: your spot and you get there, you just get their

562
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: bag and just.

563
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: He's very similar address.

564
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: Believe yeah, exactly, So it's probably a lot of the

565
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: same things. But I guess the difference between the you know,

566
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: an nur old dressing room and our dressing room is

567
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: you guys are a team, so he's work as a team.

568
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: So we're competitors. So we're out there working against each

569
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: other and then we've got to come back in the

570
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: room and we're all mates. So there's a lot of

571
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: you know, frustration that comes out in the room, sometimes

572
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: a few blues.

573
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: And it's good when you're a young bloke going in

574
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: any sort of team or environment, you need someone to

575
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 3: look after one of the older ways, put the arm

576
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: around you. Who was good to you.

577
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: Tommy Rodney Quinn was, he was great. He's probably he

578
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: was number two, number three for Hawksy and Ingham's so

579
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: the all threes won a couple of times on long row,

580
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: and you know, he was a great jockey. He was

581
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: an old ahead and he was just a calm guy.

582
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: And I guess every young jockey they sort of gravitate

583
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: to someone that's similar to them or you know, you

584
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: can relate with. And I was a bit of a

585
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: shit of a kid is in one hundred mile an hour,

586
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: a bit like I am an hour, don't really think

587
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: before I talk. And Roddy was one of them cool

588
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: heads that sort of you know, he was very calming

589
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: on me. So he was youl, Yeah he was. He

590
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: was the old ball and he's said around young fellow

591
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: to take a step back, take a breath.

592
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: What about is there like a lesson you learn as

593
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: a young jockey. That's people people might not know, but

594
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: it's like the internal rule within the little jockey club

595
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: that you guys have to sort of follow.

596
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: Oh look, I think it's just respect the older boys

597
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: in the room. That's that's the biggest thing. And there's

598
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: there's always, as I said, that young buck that comes through,

599
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: they start getting a bit of success, few winners, and

600
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: they start poking their chests out a bit and it

601
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: just doesn't happen. It doesn't last in the Sydney jockey's room.

602
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: And the thing about the older boys in the room

603
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: is they can make your breaker, you know, like because

604
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: they're going to talk to trainers and they might train

605
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: the will go is he a good kid? Well? No?

606
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: Is the shit of a kid? Oh? Well, we don't

607
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: want to put him. We want someone that's going to

608
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: you know. So like if you show the boys respect

609
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: in the room, the older boys, they'll show you the

610
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: same respect and you'll get on fine. But there's been

611
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: young guys over the years that just and they're not

612
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: there for long because it just doesn't work, you know.

613
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: And I think that's in any industry really.

614
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: Sure is it is? Coops? I ask you, like, so

615
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: like let's say Melbourne storm or mainly what were the

616
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 3: rules in the dressing room? What just when you said

617
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: that they're interested?

618
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: Similar thing. I think it's similar to these sporting environments

619
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: where it's respect the older lads. Like very similar thing

620
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: where when you have a team meeting room there is

621
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: everybody had their seat, nobody knew who's like what seat

622
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: was Cameron Smith So when you first go in, you

623
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: sit down and then he'll come out and go get

624
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: out of my seat, so you go, oh yeah, sorry,

625
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: sorry Smithy. So that's all similar stuff. And like you're saying,

626
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to training, particularly wrestling at Melbourne, because

627
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: you do so much wrestling, I.

628
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: Never knew that the people's heads off.

629
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: There was a certain respect where like the big older

630
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: players you wouldn't sort of go you would challenge them physically,

631
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: not me, but like the other guys would challenge them physically,

632
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't like go out to try to put

633
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: them on show. I think that's the biggest thing, not

634
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: putting like there's that unwritten rule of you don't put

635
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: older players on show because they've earned the right to.

636
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: Like, did you have a stink with any of the

637
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: big boys.

638
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: Or not me?

639
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: I remember, no, No, I didn't know. Well, somebody who

640
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: played down the Raiders, Curtis Scott. Yeah, so Scooter. Me

641
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: and Scooter were close mates there. But even though we

642
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: were close mates, he was a bit older than me,

643
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: but he he was somebody that you probably didn't you

644
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to try to put him on show because

645
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: he has a switch that gets flipped quite regularly. And

646
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: I had him in a restles session one time when

647
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: he was tired or something. He was in a bad

648
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: mood and he was trying to put me on my

649
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: back and I was just just resisting, just trying to

650
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: challenge him because I didn't want to cop shit from

651
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: the coach, and he was like, just let me get

652
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: you on your back, and I was like, oh, kept resisting,

653
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of just kept pulling out of it, and then

654
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: he just goes boss and just give me the old track.

655
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: He's kiss and just head butted me, broke my nose,

656
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: sat down in the middle.

657
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: Our big one was red. It'd be the same with the

658
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: jockey room. No food in there because you're getting ready

659
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: for a game, you're nervous and you're hungry. And we said, mate,

660
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: no one brings food in there if you're an injured player,

661
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: or if you're a strapper, if anyone. And sometimes you

662
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: get people who just wandering and go, yeah, boys are

663
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: good luck and they having a pie, get the out

664
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: of here.

665
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, So when would your last Melby before, like

666
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: how long before a game?

667
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: Just wake up in the morning, Tommy, have some fruit,

668
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: something really light and that be it.

669
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'd be a bit like us, Yeah, yes,

670
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: empty stomach.

671
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, empty, something like that. Like I can imagine

672
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: if Blake walked in with a hamburger and the.

673
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: D well we get annoyed. Talk about the young guys,

674
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: because when you're younger, you're lighter. The zach boys and

675
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: that the people they want fifty kilos and they walk in,

676
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: they get in the eating room there and they grabbing

677
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: out the pies and you just like make piss off. Yeah,

678
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: I've lost two kilos this morning, so like it's yeah,

679
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: that's annoying, Tommy.

680
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: What's your breakout right that you went? The people sad

681
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: when this bloke is good?

682
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: I think winning the Golden siper On over each It

683
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: was my first one and she was a short place

684
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: favorite I think at a dollar eighty. So obviously being

685
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: a young kid, big race, high pressure and riding a

686
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: short brace favorite, I think you've been able to handle

687
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: that sort of pressure. Everyone.

688
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: How old were you there?

689
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: I think I was twenty three or maybe twenty two,

690
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty three, so yeah, it was I

691
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: think for a young guy to handle that sort of pressure,

692
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: because when you're getting them big moments, there's guys that

693
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: can handle that pressure and handle the moment. And I

694
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: was able to do that at a young age. And

695
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: I was with Gay at that stage and she helped

696
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: me with that because she filled me with so much confidence.

697
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: But that's been something I've been able to carry through

698
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: sort of through my career.

699
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: After a moment like that, what opportunities come to, like

700
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: a job like is that people just knocking on the

701
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: door or all different stables just wanting you to ride

702
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: all their horses.

703
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, here in Hong Kong. I think only a month later.

704
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: I got off at a contract in Hong Kong and

705
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: I asked Gaye I could go. So I went there

706
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: for three months. And I remember getting over there and

707
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Shanny was only I think she was twenty one. Yeah,

708
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: I was twenty three, she was twenty one, so never

709
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: been out of the country before, the first time getting

710
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: on a plane flying that far. So we get into

711
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: Hong Kong. This was on Sunday. I'm riding that day.

712
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: We walk into an apartment. The apartment's empty, there's not

713
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: one thing in the apartment that we're living in, and

714
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: it was on course. Sharnie starts boiling her eyes out,

715
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: saying she wanted to go home, and I'm thinking we've

716
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: only been half an hour, like, just settle down anyway. Well,

717
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: three hours later I'd get on a horse and a

718
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: grip one win, my first grip one.

719
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: Over in the military. Take.

720
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So three hours or four hours after I

721
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: landed in Hong Kong and then we lived there for

722
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: three months. Just live the life. They just treat your

723
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: lot Royalty over there.

724
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: I was going to say, when things are good over there,

725
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: I can imagine. We went over one year it was

726
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: the world championship, the world title of racing. She'll be

727
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: won it that night, Yeah, yep.

728
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: And afterwards up upstairs, did you get a happy valley

729
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: on Wednesay?

730
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 3: It was a happy valley? Incredible, incredible And when all

731
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: the jocks, all the hoops come in at the end

732
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: of the day, mate, like, honestly, the locals just went

733
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: absolutely nuts.

734
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's quite surreal over there. It's just a different,

735
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: different kettle.

736
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: Of fish, high pressure. Like remember Boatman having a very

737
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: difficult having the best of times and the worst of

738
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: times over there. So when you're winning, you're the king,

739
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: and they're so superstitious. When things aren't going great, they're

740
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: off you.

741
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: Oh well, I had two years there and I couldn't

742
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: put a foot wrong road heap of winners group ones.

743
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: And then I went and lived over there for a

744
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: year and there was this I knew when I was

745
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: come us to of hit rock bottom here and she said, well,

746
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: I said, well, there's this one Chinese fellow. He's always

747
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: on the on the fence in the mountain yard and

748
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: he takes pictures of all the jockeys as they walk past,

749
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 2: and he'd done it from the day I got there,

750
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: and he'd been doing it for twenty years. Well, I

751
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: was walking pasting them mount yard. He took a picture

752
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: of the jockey in front of me, put the camera down.

753
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: I walked past, and then he took a picture of

754
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: the bloke behind me, and I was like, yeah, I

755
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: think I've had.

756
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we went over raced in Macau.

757
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah I went there twice and yeah, yeah, good place.

758
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we went over. It's like for you boys

759
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: that don't know, like Macaw is Asia's Vegas. Yeah, it's

760
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: just bizarre and you go across there and it's and

761
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: like it's really funny there because you know, Vegas is

762
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: more probably about parting than gambling. So we walked in there.

763
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 3: We walked in there into the Parisian there and literally

764
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: it was just oceans of tables and people gambling. I

765
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: wanted to blod, where's the bar here? And the guy went,

766
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have one? Yeah, So then

767
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 3: we went sat down. Everyone was drinking milk and cola. Whatnot.

768
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: A man Phil Bales and mates like we get a beer,

769
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: and they're like alcohol, that's right. Who are these barbarians on.

770
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Like Macau and Hong Kong? Because you hear it, like

771
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: when we're me and the boys will always sit down

772
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: and watch Happy Leans that little punt and you're always

773
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: the rumor is, oh, you won't go back, and like

774
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: they've already know the winner before it's jumped. Is it

775
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: because it's money runs those places? Is it very much

776
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: like that over there?

777
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: I think so, And I think because over in Hong

778
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: Kong the pool of horses aren't as strong as what

779
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: we've got here in Australia, and you've only got a

780
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: small pool. So they're the same ones running around every week.

781
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: And so really, if you look at the market, there's

782
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: only two or three chances in a race, two chances

783
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: in a race, so the money zones in on them.

784
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Zach's on the number one chance usually used to be

785
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Joe Marian, Zach on number one and two, and the

786
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: rest of us were just trying to pick up the pieces,

787
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, when they were around. So I was like, yeah,

788
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: old stable rider for John Moore, so I had all

789
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: of his good horses. But if I didn't have him,

790
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: you sawt of battling behind those two. But talking about Macau,

791
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: I remember when I was over there and I was

792
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: riding for an owner that owned one of the casinos

793
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: over there, and he was telling me that the three

794
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: biggest casinos over in Macow, each one of them individually

795
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: turnover ten times the amount of the whole of Vegas

796
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: in one day, each one. So that's incredible, that's how much.

797
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: So happy I remember Happy Valley that night, having a

798
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: look at the pool, the money they were holding, it

799
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: was more than the Melbourne like more than Melbourne Cup,

800
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: every single race.

801
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And fourteen percent tax, that's right, no wonder

802
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: you go, it's here, We've got to pay for it.

803
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: Intes intric Sorry, it's easy for me to say. That's

804
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: TV icon Tommy. Have you raced in Japan?

805
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

806
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: I have, I have.

807
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: I I had a great time over there. I had

808
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: two three months since in Japan and it's incredible. You

809
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: go into Jockey Jaaril on a Friday afternoon. We got

810
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: I call it Jockey Jail. So it's a set of

811
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: apartments that's on the course and over there you've got

812
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: an interpreter full time because you can't they don't speak

813
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: any English, and but he can't come into the jockey

814
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: jar with you, so he drops you off there on

815
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: a Friday afternoon and you're in there with all these

816
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: other Japanese jockeys, and you've got your own room, and

817
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: then you've got your spas and your everything like that.

818
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: You've got the cafeteria and I'm trying to point at

819
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: pictures someone what I want to eat, and they take

820
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: your phone off. Your no internet, no contact to the outside,

821
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: well until you leave the races on Sunday after Sunday

822
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: night because they've got Saturday Sunday meeting. So you'll leave

823
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: your apartment block. You walk from here to the wall.

824
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: There's another door. You open it, go down a set

825
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: of stairs and it's an underground tunnel that goes to

826
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 2: the jockey's room, which is also underground, so you don't

827
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: see anyone. And then you get dressed and everything there

828
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: and you ride and then you come back, go to bed,

829
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 2: get up to it again the next day. There's eleven

830
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: races both days, and then they let you out on

831
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon and then you just cooked.

832
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: Naht that's funny because I mean you try to do

833
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: that here with the jockeys. It's funny the Japanese culture.

834
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: That's that militant discipline and what they expect. Great horses, the.

835
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: Best horses in the world by a long way. Their

836
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: breeding is incredible. The money over there you can earn

837
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: is ten times. It's more than Hong Kong and Australia

838
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: put together.

839
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: What are the politics of racing there? As far as

840
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 3: you when you're on the track.

841
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: It's weird, Like they've got some weird rules over there

842
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: like this. They raise very loose, very clean racing, not

843
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: as tight as we do here. They call the horse

844
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: on the rail or that it's called the safety zone.

845
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: So everyone races one off the rail and you can

846
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: go up the rail. But if I come across and

847
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: put you over the fence, well they say you're in

848
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: the safety zone. So you actually get suspended, not the

849
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: guy that puts you for the fence. And there's another

850
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: thing over there where no like you can't have any barrier.

851
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: Tenants in the barriers holding the horses, and if your

852
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: horse pops up two or three times, then they take

853
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: you and put you in the outside barrier. So I

854
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: was on this horse in the stakes race, and I

855
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: was second favorite and you Taka Taka, who's the king

856
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: over there? He was on the favorite and we'd drawn

857
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: three or four. My horse popped up a couple of times,

858
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: so they pulled me out the barriers and they start

859
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: running me down a barrier sixteen and I'm like, hey, no, no, no, no,

860
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: what's going on? And they just chuck me in this

861
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: barrier and then like let him go. So I was

862
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: four wide, no cover the whole way. He tak at

863
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Tarker's got the beautiful run. One one comes out and

864
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: wins and beats me by ahead. So I went in

865
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: there blowing up. But that was that's just their rules.

866
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: So everything's like politeness, and so.

867
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, you can get the safety's own, but

868
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: you're taking your own pills.

869
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: And it comes across that would they do that because

870
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: obviously they're not at fault whoever's whoever's leading. If you

871
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: try to take him on the inside, they just run

872
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: indo on purpose because they're not accountable for you.

873
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: You taker put me up the face. He saw me

874
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: one day and I was stupid because he's an old boy,

875
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: so he knows all the tricks. And I'm over there

876
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: as a young kid, just I show him so ducked

877
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: up the inside and tried to go quick. But they've

878
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: got the big screen there on the inside, so he's

879
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: seen it on the big screen and just put me

880
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: straight up and spit on me. Almost come down and

881
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: come back in. And he doesn't speak English, but he goes, no,

882
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: you're okay and respect, and I was like me, no,

883
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: he just put me on the deck.

884
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: Tommy, just something like we'll talk about racing. Something I noticed.

885
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: I had a bit of a look around. The way

886
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: you guys hold yourself in the saddle seems to be

887
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: different the way it was done in the nineties. It

888
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: seems like you're some more splayed than knees, so you

889
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: can get lower in the saddle. Like, has that been

890
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: a change in racing?

891
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has, and I think it might have been

892
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Glenn Boss probably changed that Shane Die. So you just

893
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: to ride full foot, so you have the whole foot

894
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: in the iron. Now we ride with their two like

895
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: your big toe on the second tip and it's just

896
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: sitting in the iron. So you ride dead set on

897
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: your two toes. So because you're ride on your toes,

898
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: you ride with your knees out and then gets your

899
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: flutter in the saddle, So it's all about aerodynamics, you know,

900
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: like bike riders and stuff like that. But back in

901
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: the old day, it was knees in feet, kick and

902
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: see how hard you can hit them, you know, and

903
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: that was just the way it is. But now obviously

904
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: everything's that sort of changed and it's all about a

905
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: better style, keeping your horse balanced and stuff like that.

906
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: So if you look at jockeys now, Hugh Bone is

907
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: the only one that he'll start off with riding in

908
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: his toes and he'll kick the full foot in down

909
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: the straight and he kicks quite a bit. But you

910
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: look at most jockeys and they are dead set, have

911
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: their toes in the irons and that's it. So that's

912
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: a balance You've got.

913
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Ye What training other than just getting on the horse

914
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: and like you know, practicing that style. What do you

915
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: do outside of riding to be fit?

916
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: Just a lot of cardio, So it just heaps a cardio,

917
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: keeps a cardio. I do cardio and walking. I don't

918
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: do a lot of running because I build up a

919
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: lot of muscle in my legs. Hence what that's going

920
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: back to stopping sport, So I do a lot of walking,

921
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: so eight to ten k's if I'm not riding on

922
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: that day, and then do a lot of cardio work

923
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: because our core strength is when you're when you're down

924
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: in that position, if you haven't got good course strength

925
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: and they start pulling or you start leaning back in

926
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: the saddle and trying to hold them, and that's when

927
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: they start going even keener. But if you can stay

928
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: composed and hold your core and then just have nice

929
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: soft hands with him, and you know that's why they're

930
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: really good jockeys, and like the blake Chins and that

931
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: he's got such good hands and not many pull with

932
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: him because he's got such good course strength.

933
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: You're right, So do you feel? Told me do you

934
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: feel fear?

935
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: And the day I do, I don't know if I

936
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: could ride it because I've felt fear before. And when

937
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: I say I felt fear, I've had a couple of

938
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: horses have a heart attack and just drop dead on

939
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: me while you're on him.

940
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

941
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: I had one in Hong Kong that went through the

942
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: inside fence and one a's kembler as well. And what

943
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: happens is a horse will still keep running for thirty

944
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: forty seconds after they've passed because their body just like

945
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: all their I can't explain it really, but that their

946
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: nervous system just keeps going. So you're galloping along and

947
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: then they start wobbling around and you start trying to

948
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: slom down, but their heads going further down because they've

949
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: got nothing. And then they get to a point and

950
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: then they just shoot off left or shit off right

951
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: and hit the decks.

952
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: You're still you don't know.

953
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: I remember the last time horse started hanging in with

954
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: me and I pulled the stick through and gave him

955
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: a smack around the bum, and he just didn't react

956
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: to it. So I grabbed hold of him. I was like,

957
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: it's not right here, and I'd had it happened before.

958
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: And then two seconds later he shot right went through

959
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: the fence, and so I nosed after that when horses

960
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: didn't feel right, and I'd start to go far out

961
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: of something's going to happen here, And so that fee

962
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: would last like two or three weeks yep, and you'd

963
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: be like at the races and you're like, oh, I

964
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know, and then that fee sort

965
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: of yeah, goes away. So I've had it before, and

966
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: it's not a nice feeling. So if I was scared,

967
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: I just don't know if.

968
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: What's the worst injury you had, Like, did you get

969
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: injured from any of those incidents?

970
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: No, I've been very blessed. I've I've only broken one bone.

971
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: That's it. Broke my nose. One head butted me in

972
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: the mountain. Sounds like it would have been horses, So

973
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: pretty lucky with broken bones.

974
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: What about Melbourne Cup Day? I oftentimes think about the

975
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: over the overseas jockeys that term for home. It fled

976
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: me to where it's just like pitt Street twenty four

977
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: to twenty six horses coming around. It must that that

978
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: must be. Is it a buzz? You must? It must

979
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're right in the middle of it all,

980
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 3: it must be hard to hold your nerve.

981
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's especially it gets tight, you know,

982
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of in the Melbourne Cups. It's

983
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: probably the most vocal jockeys will be in a race

984
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: because it's a big field, long race, so obviously finding

985
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: your position there's a lot of chatter going on, and then,

986
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: as you said, when you're making your run around that

987
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: final corner. But it's also it's it's it's sort of.

988
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: It's nerve racking a little bit, but it's exciting at

989
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: the same time. You know, you get that buzz and

990
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: you know like the race is heating up, and yeah,

991
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: it's it's it's something you can't explain unless you're on

992
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: a horse in the middle of a field.

993
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: Tommy, Tommy, does it feel like when you're sitting on

994
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: a horse in a group one and you just know,

995
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: you know, you're three or four hundred and it's just

996
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: traveling and you're not going to win.

997
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: It's good, it's but that's the point where you've got

998
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: to hold your composure, gotcha, you know, And because you

999
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: start getting excited to press the button too early and

1000
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: I've done that before when I was a little bit younger,

1001
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: and you get beat and you just like another Kingston

1002
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: team exactly. That's what it's like. So you're building up

1003
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: all this pressure and excitement and then you if you

1004
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: just and it only once you let him go, you

1005
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: can't get him back. So I've pushed the button and

1006
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: they've sprinted and I've got fuck me like, I've gone

1007
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: too early, but you can't go. I'll come back here. Yeah,

1008
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: we're going to We'll go again. Another hundred of the bottle,

1009
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: You've just set them alight. So I think that's but

1010
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: that is the most exciting part of it. He's knowing

1011
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: you've got it one, knowing I've only got to get

1012
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: this last bit right and and we're home, you know.

1013
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a pretty good feeling that.

1014
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: What about when you've got a race multiple times on

1015
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: a day. I find that so weird because it's more

1016
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: especially the ones where the later races are more important.

1017
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: How how is the preparation for that? Like, are you

1018
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: racing those earlier races and still thinking about the bigger

1019
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: races that are about to come now?

1020
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: When you're younger, you do. But I think that comes

1021
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: with maturity as well, that you've got to take every

1022
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: race as it comes. And the biggest thing is not

1023
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: before the race, but say I'll give one a bad

1024
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: ride in race one and I'm filthy on myself. I've

1025
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: got to get over that before I go out there

1026
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: on my next one, because it's like being on the

1027
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: footy field if you do a knock on, you know,

1028
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: someone puts a bomb up and you drop one, and

1029
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: you can see it. With footy players, younger guys they

1030
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: can do it two or three times and they start

1031
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: to get a bit nervous, and so they can't forget

1032
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: about the last moment where they're really good players. They

1033
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: can move on and they'll do something incredible in the

1034
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: next play, you know. And that's what the good jockeys do.

1035
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: They're able to put bad rides behind them, are occasions

1036
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: behind them. And it comes to what you're saying about

1037
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: the bigger races later on. You know they're coming, but

1038
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: it's a different part of the day, so you just

1039
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: got to get to there.

1040
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: So Tommy, like, okay, focus and discipline. If you've got

1041
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: the same mindset on as you're about to jump in

1042
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: the everest as you would say, race for a muscle

1043
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: Brook on a Wednesday.

1044
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: No, No, I'd love to say I do. But I'm

1045
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: more relax you know. Like and when you're riding at Musclebrook,

1046
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: you know you're usually on the best horse. So I'm

1047
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: not going to Musclebrook just to have a little half around,

1048
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 2: you know, So I don't even have to be switched

1049
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: on there. You know you're on the best horse. They're

1050
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: there to win. You just jump at point and shoot

1051
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: you know where. When you're in the big leagues, it's

1052
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot more even you've got to be a lot

1053
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: more on the ball, so I don't have to be

1054
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.

1055
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: What's your that ideal state you're in sometimes, Tommy.

1056
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: My ideal state is when I can go out there

1057
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: and I feel invincible, you know, I feel like, you know,

1058
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: I've got my preparation right, I've trained well all week,

1059
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: I've done my form right. I'm just happy like I

1060
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: can go onto the races. If Sharney hates coming to

1061
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 2: the races with me on a Saturday, because she'll she'll

1062
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: be driving and I'll be in the passion you just see,

1063
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: and I just don't talk. I'm just on the zone,

1064
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: you know, Like I don't talk. She'll look over at

1065
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: me on a smile at something. But it's just all within,

1066
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: you know where if I'm too talkative on the way

1067
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: to the races, or I'm in a bad mood and

1068
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: she just knows I'm not on, you know, so I'm quiet.

1069
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: Are you listening to music?

1070
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: Like?

1071
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Are you listening to music before a race as you're

1072
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: getting ready?

1073
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: Some jockeys do. I don't. I like to. I'll go

1074
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: have a bit of a stretch on my own. Or

1075
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, go back for the form again. Sometimes I'm

1076
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: looking at the form not even paying attention. Or you know,

1077
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: some people do listen to music, but not too many,

1078
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Like it's not like the footy players, because we don't

1079
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: have long enough in between races to do that. Yeah. Yeah,

1080
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: By the time you get back in the room and

1081
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: your way out for your next race and then you

1082
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: put your helmet cover on and all that, you've only

1083
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: got ten minutes, right, so you sort of go back

1084
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: over your form quickly and then you're off and away.

1085
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: Before we move off. Like the racing stuff, your relationship

1086
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: with the horse that you're riding, how like how emotion

1087
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: because it looks it looks to be like a very

1088
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: emotional relationship, Like you get very emotionally attached, are you?

1089
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: Is that?

1090
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Do you find that with the horses.

1091
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: With the bigger races, Yes, because with the bigger races,

1092
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: you've usually ridden them like through their classes all the

1093
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: way to the top, so you've ridden them quite a bit.

1094
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: But when the horses aren't that good, you get them

1095
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: through their classes to say, like a Class three or

1096
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: a bench mark eighty eight that might be as good

1097
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: as it is, so you go Okay, I'm finished with him.

1098
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: Now I'll go and try and find another one. So

1099
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: the better jockeys don't stick with the same horses. You're

1100
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: going for the best rides, not the best association sort

1101
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: of thing, but the good horses because they can there's

1102
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: no limits to you know how good they are. You

1103
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: get to stick with them for longer. So that's why

1104
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: you do get that association and you see the great

1105
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: scenes after races, but on a week to week basis,

1106
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: it's more just you know, trying to find the better.

1107
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: Is there one that you have a real emotional connection,

1108
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: like you'll go and visit or and it's something that

1109
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: have you got a horse that you really connected with?

1110
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Hittaqua he was incredible, like what he did

1111
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: over in Hong Kong. He's third T. J. Smith. But

1112
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: even the way he finished, you know, like by not

1113
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 2: jumping out the barriers, that was him on his own terms,

1114
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: and he was that sort of horse that he's very unique.

1115
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: You had to let him do what he wanted even

1116
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: in his races. That's why he's always back lasses, storming

1117
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: down the outside and he finished the way he started

1118
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: because he was just an ignorant prick, Yeah right, and

1119
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: so I loved that about him.

1120
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: How many times did he stay in the barriers?

1121
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: I think he did it three or four times. But

1122
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: the funny thing was, you don't do it at the

1123
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: race is when we're at track work at home, we

1124
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: put him for the barriers and he come out flying,

1125
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: you know. So he just knew when he was out

1126
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: on race day if you didn't want to go, he

1127
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: just wouldn't stuff.

1128
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: Yes, does a horse? Do you think a horse sensors

1129
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: the confidence of the jockey.

1130
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: Definitely, And a confident jockey is more relaxed jockey. And

1131
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: we'll sit quiet on a horse where one that is

1132
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: in your bit of answer, you're like a young footy

1133
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: player and they can feel what they can feel your energy.

1134
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: So the more relaxed and confident you are, your horse

1135
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: is going to be more relaxing confident.

1136
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: Right. Just some things of all your group ones, Tommy,

1137
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: which one are you most proud of? What's the most satisfying?

1138
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: Probably the offer in the Sydney Cup, and it was

1139
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: because it was during that time when Nathan was ill,

1140
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: so I'd won a Group two on him. Nathan fell ill,

1141
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: so I was over with Nathan in Singapore and things

1142
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: weren't really changing with him, and Dad said, mate, he's

1143
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: going to want you to go back and ride this

1144
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: horse like he was the horse that was going for

1145
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: the Sydney carp he was favorite. So I went back,

1146
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: rode and won the Grip Tournham at rose Hill, jumped

1147
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: straight back on a flight, was with Nathan and then

1148
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: he'd passed away and two weeks later come out and

1149
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: Nathan was a real patient rider. He liked riding the

1150
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: second half of the field. I was always up on

1151
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: speed because I rode for the gay and I wasn't

1152
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 2: very patient, and I rode with a patience that day

1153
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: in that race that I'd never done before. And it

1154
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: was just that moment where I was like he was

1155
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: if he was ever with me, that was it, you know.

1156
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: So it was a pretty special day.

1157
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that, Tommy, because interviewed

1158
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: Mick Fenning once, you know, and he's lost brothers. He's

1159
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: very close with him and he says he knows when

1160
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: they come to him. Yeah, do you get that? You

1161
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: do get that sense sometimes with nas?

1162
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. Yeah, you just a sense of calmness

1163
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: about yourself and like there's someone there and there was

1164
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: a great story that's been told many times. But I

1165
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: was over in Singapore, and obviously that's where he passed away,

1166
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: and I went over to ride a horse called it

1167
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: was military tackles. In the race Danick Cell and Danik

1168
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: Cell wasn't he wasn't a favorite. I think it was

1169
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: about twenty to one. And a symbol to Nathan's life

1170
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: was butterflies. After he had passed. We always saw the

1171
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: white butterflies everywhere and just noticed them wherever we were.

1172
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: And I was over in Singapore and I was standing

1173
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: in the barriers and this white butterfly come through the

1174
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: front of the barriers and it was just doing laps

1175
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: around in front of me. And like I was twenty

1176
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: to one, so I wasn't a chance. I just thought,

1177
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to win this. I jumped out

1178
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: and come out and this and bolted him and so

1179
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: and but before that, I was in the mountain yard

1180
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: and his white butterfly, I was talking to the owners

1181
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: and that before the race and it flewent. It was

1182
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: sitting on my boot, on the end of my boot,

1183
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: and I was just looking down on and trying to

1184
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 2: concentrate what they were saying, and it was I was chip,

1185
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: it was. I was taken back by it. And then

1186
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: when I walked off, obviously the butterfly flew away, and

1187
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: then whether it was the same one or or what

1188
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: that happened before the race and the rest was history.

1189
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: So it was pretty chilling.

1190
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's incredible.

1191
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about your favorite track? What's your favorite tractor ride?

1192
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: On?

1193
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: Take out in Japan was just out of this well,

1194
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: like it was. It's got two straight, so it's got

1195
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: a shorter straight and along the straight. I learned that

1196
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 2: pretty quickly because I thought I was on the track

1197
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: and I pressed a button at the top of the

1198
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: straight of the long one, and it's a fucking long

1199
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: way down, I tell you so. But that and obviously

1200
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: ran Wick's quite special as well. It's it's the home

1201
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: of racing for us.

1202
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: Racing on grass as opposed to when you first start

1203
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 3: racing on the mud tracks or seeing track.

1204
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: It's not even racing, you know who wants to Like

1205
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: especially in Japan, in like when they had bit of

1206
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: rain and it was like it hit by paintballs. So

1207
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: you come in after, take your colors off and just

1208
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: have these red welts all over you. So it's and

1209
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: the horses don't like it. We don't like it. It's

1210
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: just grass racing all day.

1211
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 3: For me, I think favorite distance.

1212
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'm quick in the bedroom, so I like to

1213
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: take a little bit longer on the tracks.

1214
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: Racers on the track, Yeah, yeah, is it is it

1215
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: like it like that those thirty two hundreds? I mean

1216
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: it must be far more tactical.

1217
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I like him. Yeah, a lot of

1218
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: thought comes in anywhere. Can jump out and put a

1219
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: horse into a spot in a short race, and you

1220
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: can do things wrong in short races and still get

1221
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: the result. But in long races if you if you up,

1222
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: you're gone, you know, So there it takes a good

1223
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: tactician to win staying race.

1224
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: You said Chautuck was your favorite of the ones you've written.

1225
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: Have you got a favorite horse of all time?

1226
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: Well, Winks was obviously incredible, and I won. I won

1227
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 2: on Winks before she was Winks. I won a group

1228
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: torn at the far Lap stakes, and then I got

1229
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: beat on her at the next start, and then they

1230
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: give me the flick and foot Joe Marrier on her

1231
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: and the oaks, and then he got beat on her,

1232
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: and then obviously Hugh Buham got the ride after that,

1233
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: but I won a Group two race on her and

1234
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: I thought she was a group one or so I

1235
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: didn't think she'd do obviously what she did. But growing up,

1236
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: I'd say long Row was my hero because I was

1237
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: a Wark farm boy. He was trained there and growing up,

1238
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: I remember walking the streets from the old Man when

1239
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: I was five and you see his big black, beautiful

1240
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: beauty like he was incredible. So he unfortunately passed away

1241
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, but he was probably one

1242
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: that I just loved.

1243
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you best mate the jockey.

1244
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: Room, Well, Christian Reese and Schaun Goma, they're my two

1245
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: best mates. They don't ride in the city, they ride

1246
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: sort of provincial country areas, but they're just they're good guys,

1247
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: both as mad as they come.

1248
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Like a trend with you as well.

1249
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 2: This. I've got a great story on my Bucks party.

1250
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: We went down to the snow for four or five

1251
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: days and I hide out this apartment block it and

1252
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: there was like eight rooms alongside of each other and

1253
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: it was near Ginebine Lake there. The Ginebine Lake was

1254
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: out our back doors yep. So I remember going to bed.

1255
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: It was about midnight on the second night, and just

1256
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: wake up these big flames just out the back window.

1257
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: So they've got all the desks and the chairs out

1258
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: of all the eight rooms and chucked me in a

1259
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 2: pole and lit him on fire. Got to the end

1260
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: of the day, I've had to check out, and I

1261
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: had a bill for a few grand to pay for

1262
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: all the So that's just the sort of sort of

1263
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: blokes they are.

1264
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: But Marrera is Brazilian, isn't he? What's he? What's his personality?

1265
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: Lacey's typical brazil and he's good.

1266
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: I love Joey. He's a friendly character. He would not

1267
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: walk past one person without saying low to him on

1268
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: mat And he's the only guy that I've met that

1269
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: can take you take a off here in front of

1270
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: you and be happy about it and still talk to

1271
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: your So I was sitting in the in the green

1272
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: sand with John Moore and I was meant to ride.

1273
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: Well I did, I won the Derby on Designs on

1274
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: but in the lead up to that, he was riding

1275
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: able friend who was a very good horse over there.

1276
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: And he walks up there and he says, hey, Tommy,

1277
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: shakes my hand. He walks fast. He goes, John, I

1278
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: want to ride Designs on a robe in the Derby

1279
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: and he goes, no, Tommy's going to ride it. You're

1280
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 2: going to ride able friend, and he goes, no, Designs

1281
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: and is a better horse. So I want to ride

1282
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: it and he goes, too bad, you're going to ride

1283
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: it and he goes, okay, thanks John, here Tommy and

1284
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: then walk downstairs. So he tried to still grow that

1285
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: is in front of me and was just happy about Dawn. Yeah,

1286
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: that's the sort of bloke he is.

1287
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh, what about the best jockey you've ever seen?

1288
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: Darren be mean hands down. Yeah, he's well, he's the

1289
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: only guy that left racing, found God and went and

1290
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: worked away from racing, and he's got a great story.

1291
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: And he said he he went and spoke to Bart

1292
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: Cummings about it because he was riding for Bart a

1293
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: lot and a couple of great stories with Bart. I'll

1294
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: tell you the other one in the sec But he

1295
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: goes up to Bart and he says, this is what

1296
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: I want to do. What do you think? I just

1297
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: need your opinion. God's come to me and told me

1298
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: this is what I should do. And he said, I

1299
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: think you need a second opinion, and the other one

1300
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: was with bart. He said he had a health inspector

1301
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: come to his stables one day and they said, oh,

1302
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: but this is wrong, and this is wrong, and you've

1303
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 2: got too many flies in your stable, and he goes,

1304
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 2: all right, then, yep, well we can fix that problem.

1305
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: Just tell me how many I'm allowed to have. That's good.

1306
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite trainer you enjoy riding for.

1307
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: I enjoy riding for the Hawks, and because I've got

1308
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: a great family association with him, and Michael Friedman and

1309
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 2: Chris Waller Out, They're just a few of the ones

1310
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: that I've had a lot of luck with. Chris is

1311
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: just incredible. There's a reason why he's the best, and

1312
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: he's really good to ride. We're very easy to ride for.

1313
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 2: And the Snowdons have always been lifelong friends as well.

1314
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: That a good ride for.

1315
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: You want to give Tommy a bit of a menual question?

1316
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just some rapid fire questions for this is the.

1317
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: Hard the hard hit.

1318
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a time limit, Madam on the show

1319
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: and asking for another afternoon.

1320
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 3: It's not a race, go.

1321
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: Favorite. If you could be an athlete, any other athlete

1322
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: in the world who would you be player? Is there

1323
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: a specific one?

1324
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: No, but I just know you don't have to be

1325
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: good to play after watching you.

1326
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: There's many people now on the audio podcast, he was

1327
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: looking cool.

1328
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: He was talking to both of us. Were you are

1329
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: your raiders support?

1330
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: That?

1331
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I was trying to work out.

1332
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: I figured out you were raised.

1333
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: Every time as a doggie supporter. That who is I

1334
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: grew up being a dig because the old means a

1335
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: doggie support and he still hates it. Yeah, seven years

1336
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: switched over.

1337
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: So the ninety four Grand Final.

1338
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: Luke Patton, Shifty Sherwin, Oh yeah, Jesus, some good players

1339
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: and that has gone.

1340
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: The dogs had O'Malley.

1341
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Remember used to did did? He used to put his

1342
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: grub on his head.

1343
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: He used to put DPT onto his face and head.

1344
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: Jack actually had a bit of association with Ogre of

1345
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: a Newcastle. Ogre is one of the greatest story beaters

1346
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: of all time. You see a black cat, he say,

1347
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: it's panther.

1348
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: What about your favorite artists of all time?

1349
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: Artists music not Picasso, I'd have to say Willie.

1350
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: Nelson, Dad loves Willie Nelson, or Chuck Berry love.

1351
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: Chuck Berry to Chuck Berry said. Chuck Berry used to

1352
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: play always. He always played with his guitar out of tune.

1353
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: And they're saying once that the Stones were doing so

1354
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: they were on the same gig as Chuck Berry. Anyway,

1355
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: Old Keith Richard goes over and he sees Chuck picks

1356
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: it up and no one around. It's out of churn.

1357
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 3: He tuned it, and Jack Berry get up on stage

1358
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 3: and went and go who fucking tuned my guitar?

1359
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 2: That's incredible in it he was great brand old girl.

1360
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: What about favorite movie of all time?

1361
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: Laura Abiding Citizens?

1362
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good that's a great It's.

1363
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: A great movie. Have you seen it?

1364
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: I think so you would have. It reminds me there's

1365
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: a movie, is not Laura boating Citizen. History of Violence

1366
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: must be the four words or four syllables, that sort

1367
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: of cass me. I don't know what's.

1368
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: The actors now. Jamie Fox is in it.

1369
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Jared Jared Butler said, Drew Barrymore.

1370
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymo was not in it. O, my god, you're

1371
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: going to kill me. Would you rather this one? Would

1372
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: you rather be dropped in the middle of the desert

1373
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: or the middle of the ocean with camels in the desert.

1374
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I can ride so well. If

1375
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: you walk past it, good, look and go, you could

1376
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: have some fun. You can't do that in the water

1377
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: on land.

1378
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you make weight in the heat.

1379
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd have to say land.

1380
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.

1381
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: What about your favorite holiday destination.

1382
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: I like going Hawaii. That's always good, easy travel in it,

1383
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: it is, Yeah, Hawaii is good. I like Noosa, that's

1384
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: it's close. It's good. Plays here in Port Douglas, so

1385
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: anywhere by camera. I'll spend so much time there.

1386
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: You hate camera.

1387
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: It's a shithole. The best thing that's coming out in there,

1388
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: and that's it.

1389
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: We get the royal mint.

1390
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: The royal mint. All right.

1391
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: Last question. We always finished with this. Let's say you know,

1392
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: you pass away and we're all going there one day,

1393
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: but you pass away before me and dad and we're

1394
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: the pool bears at your funeral. We're walking you down.

1395
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: You've really run out of mates. What's the song that

1396
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: you'd like us to play as we're walking you down?

1397
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: Shaggy, what's one of these angel? Angel? Yeah, that'd be

1398
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: all right, one of them.

1399
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't me.

1400
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't me or bring back the bit.

1401
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Reggie boy, I.

1402
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: Wouldn't mind it. Yeah, Reggie something out there?

1403
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you don't want a sad song?

1404
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: Nah, I listen Shanny. I love sad songs. I listen

1405
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: to them too often. So chance is yeah, lonely depressed person.

1406
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 3: When I'm drunk. I sit there and they accitate, They'll

1407
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 3: I'll go and put on as an old old artist

1408
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 3: b J Thomas who reckon you quite like, and I'll

1409
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: sit there and I'll watch that, and all of a

1410
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: sudden I was taken biteary. I can hear them.

1411
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: We've caord him multiple times crying sometimes the poke.

1412
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,479
Speaker 3: Tommy, that was awesome, mate. Thanks for being so open

1413
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: with us too, mate, and talking about things that must

1414
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: have been uncomfortable. So thank you.

1415
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: No, it's easy with you boys, but all the best

1416
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: and looking forward.

1417
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: To Thanks tom thanks for putting it on me as well.

1418
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: Fans love that mm hmm