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Speaker 1: Appoche production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Coumments, and in this episode I speak with longtime

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Speaker 2: friend of the podcast, Taylor Guns, who shares her journey

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Speaker 2: through the adult industry, time in jail, and how she's

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Speaker 2: rebuilding her life today.

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Speaker 1: But this way.

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Speaker 3: When I first started stripping, I made just over four

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand in a year, had nothing to show but

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Speaker 3: on Monday, and I ended up saving him with a

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Speaker 3: corkscrew with a corkscreen the neck. That moment changed everything.

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Speaker 3: You don't understand how jail works.

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Speaker 1: It's not just you.

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Speaker 3: This is how people are in there. You know they've

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Speaker 3: got nothing better to do. My mind started thinking properly

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Speaker 3: at that point. I said, they're gonna come start rating houses.

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Speaker 3: My children are there. You know it's not gonna stop.

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Speaker 3: I need to go hand myself in and I did.

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Speaker 2: Taylor, Yes, long time, Like it's been a long time.

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Speaker 2: You came on my podcast when I first started Secret

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Speaker 2: to the Underworld, and years have gone by since I've

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Speaker 2: seen you since that episode, and a few things have

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Speaker 2: happened in your life that I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I need to get you back on and do a

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Speaker 2: refresher because fuck mabe, like the first episode we think

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Speaker 2: was are fucking out there, this is just going to

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Speaker 2: be fucking even out there.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for coming on. No, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually excited for this one because we go back

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Speaker 2: a long way, me and you, a long way.

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Speaker 1: I would have met you when I was eighteen, yeah easy, And.

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Speaker 2: I remember you always from the days in the cross

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Speaker 2: and you know what, and I can't say this in

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Speaker 2: a way where I looked at you as a little sister.

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Speaker 2: I used to protect you in a way where to

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Speaker 2: make sure you were all right, and then you used

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Speaker 2: to go up to me if you have problems, And

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Speaker 2: this is why we were close in ways.

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Speaker 1: So I thank you for coming on. No, thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me.

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Speaker 3: It's true we did grow up to in that scene

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Speaker 3: at least, yes, because you were kind of newie and

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Speaker 3: I was on new and we went boom.

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Speaker 1: Separate but boomge.

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Speaker 2: So let's start off with how you growing up getting

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Speaker 2: into this and how you led into this scene of industry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah easy, I grew up overseas, so my dad was

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Speaker 3: a criminal, but my mom's side, we come from a

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Speaker 3: good family, you know, like really good businesses.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: My grandparents worked really really hard kind of a thing.

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Speaker 3: I went to a lot of schools and I finished

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Speaker 3: off at a private school, a boarding.

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Speaker 1: School, I remember that, you're telling.

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Speaker 3: You a boarding school. After that, went to college. It

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Speaker 3: was called June Dally Watkins, a finishing school. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then when I finished from there, I got a

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Speaker 3: job straight away at MWRS Holden selling cars and that lasted.

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Speaker 1: Like four weeks because I was at the same.

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Speaker 3: Time, I was working for All Occasion Cruises that Joe lives, Yes,

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Speaker 3: basically doing cruise directing.

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Speaker 1: And that was it.

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Speaker 2: The cruise directing you're doing a lot of people, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people say that that's what it started with.

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Speaker 3: And I seen this strip come on board shining moffoot,

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget. Yeah, the Barbie doll and she she

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Speaker 3: did a show and I looked at it and said,

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Speaker 1: So that was it. I let go of Holden, forgot

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Speaker 1: all about my college whatever, not that I was an angel.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and that's my beginning of my adult industry.

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Speaker 1: You know, where'd you first get your gig? My first

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Speaker 3: Have been at all occasional cruises and then straight away

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Speaker 3: I went to Twin Peaks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about the first night you had to

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Speaker 2: do you were doing your stripper. Tell me were you anxious?

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Speaker 1: Were you nervous? Very? It was my first day.

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Speaker 3: It was a day cruise, and I was so nervous

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Speaker 3: that I did like a police court.

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Speaker 1: And I had these handcuffs and I was shaking. I

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Speaker 1: I came out to Jimmy Barnes, Lady, down your gun.

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Speaker 1: It was the funniest but that was it. That was it.

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Speaker 1: Once I did the first one, that's it. I came.

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Speaker 1: I saw a conquered kind of thing. I knew what

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Speaker 2: But we had always been someone who would express themselves

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Speaker 2: like body wise, like or because that's that's something to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nervous, she's confident.

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Speaker 3: Look, my family like was so easy going, Like I

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Speaker 3: grew up like on boats going around the islands, nude beaches.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it all. Like that stuff was nothing to me. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm Greek, you know all about showing our bodies.

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Speaker 1: And you know the beaches and so yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: Anderson was like my biggest idol when I was young,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was young, and I'm like, I want

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Speaker 1: to be like her. I want to be like So

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Speaker 1: I started at twin Peaks.

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Speaker 3: Therefore, I would probably say it was like a year

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Speaker 3: and a half maybe, and then I wanted to do

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Speaker 3: like bigger shows.

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Speaker 1: Holdly you know, for doing this, hold like.

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Speaker 3: I would have start eighteen, like there was no mucking around.

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Speaker 3: I turned eighteen.

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Speaker 4: I was it.

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Speaker 1: I was there. If I would have done gone early,

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Speaker 1: I would have gone. There was nothing stopping me. There

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Speaker 1: was nothing stopping when you start.

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Speaker 2: When you first started, did you ever come across anyone.

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Speaker 1: Who knew you as in first when they came into

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Speaker 1: the clubs? Yeah, like relatives and relative Yeah, I had

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Speaker 3: My relatives came in and they knew I was there,

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Speaker 3: and he tried to like give me a lecture.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, but look where you are, man, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got to doing pepper, salt and pepper,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, now I'm doing is leaving me alone?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Kind of thing I remember my grandma, she was watching

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Speaker 3: my outfits.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was living at home with my grandma.

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Speaker 1: like obviously they were really really like worried, you know

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Speaker 3: You know, like really into it. They were happy.

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Speaker 1: They were happy for me. Yeah, did you ever do

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Speaker 1: Miss Nude? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did Miss Snood, I did Miss Ocean specific I

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Speaker 3: think it was I did heaps of them. Yeah, yeah

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Speaker 3: I went off you.

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Speaker 1: Or was that your mat?

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Speaker 2: Like some girls goals where they going, I'm gone into

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Speaker 2: this is basically to do is business?

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Speaker 1: Make money, get out or that to do?

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Speaker 2: I want to do this because I've got nothing else

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Speaker 3: I want to love it. I loved it. I loved

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Speaker 3: being on stage. I loved Megan. Did the crowd go crazy?

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Speaker 3: It's it was Yeah, I had good stage presents and

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Speaker 1: It made people happy, you know.

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Speaker 3: I remember there was one time I did a show

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Speaker 3: at Sefton and the crowd went so crazy.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear my music.

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Speaker 3: I could need the beat I did like a belly

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Speaker 1: That was it. That was it, that was it, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was all. And I could not hear my music

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Speaker 1: and I know nothing. It was insane like and you

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Speaker 1: know that's all I needed. I'm going off that you

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Speaker 1: went from Twin Peaks to you both.

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Speaker 3: No no, So I went from Twin Peaks, I went

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Speaker 3: to Pure Platinum.

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Speaker 1: Then I think that's where me and you mat and

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Speaker 1: then I went to They.

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Speaker 3: They tried to send me to the Cross to Dances Cabaret,

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Speaker 3: I guess which pissed me. Pissed me off, you know

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Speaker 1: Some, didn't you trying to get like a.

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Speaker 3: Few people in. And then you know, I started touring.

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Speaker 3: she's changed the whole life. She's doing really well. So

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Speaker 3: she's like, let's doe double shows, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, yes, sweet, let's go. I didn't

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Speaker 3: realize the potential that had. Next minute, I'm doing tall

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Speaker 3: magazine covers. I'm touring around Australia.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: We're getting like business stills here there, everywhere. Like it

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Speaker 3: was intense, but all that also comes with a lot

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Speaker 3: of exposure to the gang land.

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Speaker 2: You know, how did you handle that? When did you

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Speaker 2: get when did you first in the industry get really messy?

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Speaker 2: Messy with the drug scene?

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Speaker 1: Went on? Probably started taking ice?

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Speaker 2: Really Yeah, how far into your career doing stripping were

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Speaker 2: you then?

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Speaker 1: You know what?

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Speaker 5: It was probably like ruining me a lot. Did you

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Speaker 3: It was just to be what I was hanging out with,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I always did. I could

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Speaker 3: never do shows or dance when I was under drugs.

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Speaker 3: I've always had even when I was escorted.

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Speaker 1: So you're straight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to be straight. There's no way, man.

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Speaker 3: You can't be in the beat if you're like.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I talked to. I don't know. Man.

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Speaker 3: Some girls, man, they get they get on the rack

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Speaker 3: and they're like they want to you know, they want

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Speaker 3: to do this, And now I'm like, motherfuck, I don't

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Speaker 3: touch me.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Now you're the opposite. Yeah, So I would like, go work,

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Speaker 3: make money, four.

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Speaker 1: Five day builder after that, okay, but it caught up

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Speaker 1: to me. It did catch up to me.

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Speaker 2: So you would you say that your platinum is when

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Speaker 2: it started or before?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, probably say just after? Just after? Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: after that? Was that? Was that the first time you

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Speaker 1: started taking drugs?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: Talking when I was like, I've taken when I grew

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and everybody would be dirty

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Speaker 1: The back doors. Yes, yes, I used the back doors,

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Speaker 1: Did they try and control you in any way? The strippers,

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Speaker 3: To control us, especially me because I'm not interested in

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Speaker 3: materialistic things back then. Like I said, I come from

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Speaker 1: What was that thought just to take off the club

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Speaker 3: They came in and just like yeah, from what I know,

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Speaker 1: Have it in Have you seen girls been eating up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, non stop, NonStop. And they're the ones that know

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Speaker 3: it all. Yeah I know it was.

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Speaker 1: they can't be helped. Look, they don't listen. They don't listen. Man,

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Speaker 3: They're dating some gangstar and they know it all this

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Speaker 3: you know, And I'm like well, you know, you can't

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Speaker 1: I love that. I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I think I was in charge of my own empire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I didn't really date any

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Speaker 3: I dated Street Rights, that's about it. That's because I

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Speaker 3: I wasn't interested in materialistic things like handbags and this

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Speaker 3: buy my own ship. Like if you bought me a skateboard,

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Speaker 3: different story, I'd be there, like I'd love that because

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Speaker 3: What year did you go to a Being? Oh? But

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget that. I was at all Ocsun Cruises,

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Speaker 3: It was just getting made. It was Gary and I

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget. They were like, look, we're going to

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Speaker 3: And I was there on the first line. I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah I know you did, because I remember I remember

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Speaker 1: Are you doing here?

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Speaker 3: And you and you said, yeah, yeah, but I being

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Speaker 3: wanted to. You had a good time. The staff were

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Speaker 3: awesome at the time. Being back then, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Kind of money would you would you make?

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Speaker 4: Say?

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Speaker 2: All right, I put it being now is established club? Well,

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Speaker 2: what kind of money were you looking at a stripper

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Speaker 1: Put it this way.

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Speaker 3: When I first started stripping, I remember I started writing

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Speaker 3: I had nothing to show for it. I made just

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Speaker 3: over four hundred thousand in a year, but the next

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Speaker 3: Pissed Off came in. Remember they started changing the rules

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Speaker 3: and blah blah blah, And that's when I knew shit

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Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, yeah, four hundred k four hundred k.

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Speaker 3: Had nothing to show. But on Monday every week because

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Speaker 1: We'll go here, we'll go that.

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Speaker 3: You know you're a girl, you know and start da

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Speaker 3: dah dah and yeah you do something im thing to

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Speaker 1: You know, girls went shopping a lot of money. It

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Speaker 1: is now I look at it and I'm like, you idiot,

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Speaker 1: But I have a lot of regrets that I don't

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Speaker 1: regret anything as well. But was that? Was that on

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Speaker 1: the book? So we told my cash that was just me.

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Speaker 3: I wrote it down so I can say what's going on?

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Speaker 3: But that was cash just off Dame morning cash back then?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah that was cashback then ab none of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, how would you hustle it? How would

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Speaker 1: you hustle a guy?

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Speaker 2: So just say, for instance, I was coming in and

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Speaker 2: I was knew, would you go to hustle the one? Nah?

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Speaker 3: I wasn a hustler. I was a stage girl. People

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Speaker 3: would see me on stage, you like, I want her.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. I hadn't. I couldn't. I'm so embarrassed to

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Speaker 1: ask a.

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Speaker 3: Guy coming to me do a show, come on, train.

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Speaker 1: Me your money.

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Speaker 3: I had a friend of one that used to do it.

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Speaker 3: She just grabbed them and dragged them in there.

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Speaker 1: I was like, how are you doing that? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, I wasn't like that. I couldn't do it. There

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Speaker 3: was something about it. I had too much pride and

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Speaker 3: I had no idea how to do that.

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Speaker 1: Like that was a.

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Speaker 3: Really good business strategy some girls had. There was one girl,

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Speaker 3: she was a big, big, big girl, and she would

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Speaker 3: one client. How I don't know, maybe the big girls.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he did, but she she was long, you know, yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're saying that you were more kind of

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Speaker 2: were so baby.

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Speaker 3: I would go on a podium, I'll do a podium.

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Speaker 3: People would say it and they'd want me for a private.

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Speaker 3: And Tuesdays we didn't have to do much. We had

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Speaker 1: Esay, you remember that Tuesdays was there nice to go out?

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Speaker 3: That was the time we knew. Tuesdays weekend sucked. Tuesdays

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Speaker 3: were the bomb, and Wednesdays Mondays were great. But weekends

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, suits that don't have much money.

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Speaker 3: They give me too drunk this and that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how would you.

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Speaker 2: Pick a guy who's got money? How would you pick him?

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Speaker 2: How would you pick that someone's going to give you

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Speaker 2: that cash? How'd you do that? They would pick me.

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Speaker 2: They knew I was at that point. They liked what

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Speaker 2: I was about, but like, like what you're saying was

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Speaker 2: a sup better was it was a gangsters? They're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the bikies would go in there to spend their money.

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Speaker 2: That's that was there there point.

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Speaker 3: Look, Neil, don't forget I was one of the first

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like guy's dreams back then,

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Speaker 3: it was like, oh my gosh, she's different, she's got tat,

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Speaker 3: she's wild.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was quite big, you know, the biggest.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, yeah, I didn't have to do much and

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Speaker 3: what of mouth kind of a thing, you know what

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Speaker 1: Like they'd be like, oh, that's Taylor Guns.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think you've already major name for you

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Speaker 3: That's when I made that name at Butterbean because what

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Speaker 3: happened in two thousand and seven we blunt. I stabbed

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Speaker 3: someone and I went They were trying to throw me

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Speaker 3: in jail, and I went away for a year. I

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Speaker 3: went to a rehab in Canberra, horrible, horrible place, absolutely horrible.

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Speaker 1: But when I came back.

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Speaker 3: I went back to but a being and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: they go Taylor because that my name was just Taylor. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like some girl comes after me, she goes, oh that

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Speaker 3: you can't have that name anymore, it's my name. I said,

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Speaker 3: I don't fucking think so. So I went up to

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Speaker 3: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, guns

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Speaker 3: I could kiss that girl's feet because let me do

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Speaker 3: you something. That moment changed everything. That name stuck, Like really, well.

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Speaker 1: Where did you stop the pist? Where did this happen? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a bit of a download while you're working,

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Speaker 3: no kind of. I used to go to this like, okay,

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Speaker 3: john Maners. Some guy started running it. There I was there.

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Speaker 3: That's my is epidemic hitping pretty hard there. Yeah, something

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Speaker 3: corkscrew in the neck.

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Speaker 1: With a corkscrew in the neck. Yeah, did you just

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Speaker 1: lose your shits or something? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I had a very bad anger management problems when I

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Speaker 3: was young.

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Speaker 1: Fucking corkscrew. Yeah, I have a badge. Was just like

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Speaker 1: he was just there and you just seen it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and just what it? Yeah. I'm like, nah, you really

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Speaker 1: stepped on my toes right now, this is not happening.

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Speaker 3: Oh my hey need telling you should not really? Okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't regret it. Yeah, but then it was too

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Speaker 3: easy to do again, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was the issue. Fuck me, you know what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about? Like once once you do that once, yeah,

440
00:19:30,481 --> 00:19:32,201
Speaker 3: let's see it. It becomes a habit.

441
00:19:35,721 --> 00:19:37,400
Speaker 1: What I remember that? Did you get it way with

442
00:19:37,441 --> 00:19:38,681
Speaker 1: it or no? No?

443
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 3: So I also have a habit of handing myself in.

444
00:19:46,001 --> 00:19:48,921
Speaker 3: I have myself in there, put my hand on one.

445
00:19:49,001 --> 00:19:50,521
Speaker 3: You were looking at some level next to me. They

446
00:19:50,561 --> 00:19:51,441
Speaker 3: were about to arrest team.

447
00:19:51,481 --> 00:19:54,041
Speaker 1: He was going green and I'm like, this guy's gotta

448
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,921
Speaker 1: fucking throw me under the max and I did, and

449
00:19:58,961 --> 00:19:59,681
Speaker 1: they gave me bail.

450
00:19:59,761 --> 00:20:02,241
Speaker 3: But I was looking at time at that point, you know,

451
00:20:02,561 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 3: So I went to rehab. My grandma chucked me on

452
00:20:04,921 --> 00:20:08,281
Speaker 3: a playing that quick mate. She took me straight to Canberra.

453
00:20:08,521 --> 00:20:10,561
Speaker 3: I did some twelve month rehab down there. I couldn't

454
00:20:10,561 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 3: get out of there. Yeah, it was epic.

455
00:20:13,321 --> 00:20:15,041
Speaker 1: If I find you that you were fucking like you

456
00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,120
Speaker 1: do that much in the weather, take it into a

457
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 1: private shower. Can you imagine to sit on the table

458
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: in a private show you lost your ship.

459
00:20:22,761 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm telling you it was I was

460
00:20:25,921 --> 00:20:29,521
Speaker 3: a bit, This was a cross man like. I had

461
00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:32,761
Speaker 3: to defend myself. You know, you learned to storm shopping there.

462
00:20:33,281 --> 00:20:35,521
Speaker 3: Have you ever come across anything that you've been scared?

463
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 1: Like at times? Working?

464
00:20:37,441 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't say scared, but I remember I

465
00:20:40,961 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 3: was up but I being downstairs. My sister had come

466
00:20:44,241 --> 00:20:46,601
Speaker 3: visited me, you know what I mean, And we've we've

467
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: gone and gotten like a hot chocolate or something the usual.

468
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: And this guy launched someone from the top of the

469
00:20:54,761 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: staircase all the way down and nearly like got my

470
00:20:59,001 --> 00:21:00,681
Speaker 3: sister and I'll pushed out of the way and I'll

471
00:21:00,681 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 3: never forget his head cracked in half, you know what

472
00:21:03,921 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: I mean. And I look up and I knew the

473
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,561
Speaker 3: guy and I said run. But I was upset, you

474
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I'm like, this pool can't like

475
00:21:11,281 --> 00:21:16,281
Speaker 3: step like his head was split, man. Yeah, it's the

476
00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 3: cross was tough. It was worse during the day.

477
00:21:19,721 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to you got to see what it

478
00:21:21,481 --> 00:21:24,001
Speaker 1: was like. During the day. It was worse. It was

479
00:21:24,041 --> 00:21:25,761
Speaker 1: ugly the day it was like the leftovers.

480
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,961
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've never been put in the situation yourself

481
00:21:28,961 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 2: where you felt like, you know, Yeah.

482
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,881
Speaker 3: He times the guy that used to own Sapphi the guy.

483
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was a situation with him in a

484
00:21:37,241 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 3: private room. He tried to beat my top off and

485
00:21:39,961 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't having it at that point, and He's like,

486
00:21:43,001 --> 00:21:43,401
Speaker 3: do you know.

487
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,401
Speaker 1: Who owns this building?

488
00:21:44,521 --> 00:21:46,481
Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to get this kicked out on one, two, three,

489
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,801
Speaker 3: But I didn't know the Bounces had it in for

490
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,801
Speaker 3: him too, you know what I mean. So he came

491
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 3: downstairs and I threw a glass at him and I

492
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,241
Speaker 3: went to launch at him in his stupard stilltos and

493
00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:57,321
Speaker 3: the Bounces it took one bounce to hold me back.

494
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:58,321
Speaker 1: I didn't they didn't need much.

495
00:21:59,681 --> 00:22:01,681
Speaker 3: I was half the size of it ome now, and

496
00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: you know we had exchange words like yeah, and they

497
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,761
Speaker 3: just they violated him, like there was not much left

498
00:22:06,761 --> 00:22:07,041
Speaker 3: of him.

499
00:22:07,041 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: But I had to watch one, you know.

500
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

501
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: I was like when I get dropped off, I'd.

502
00:22:10,961 --> 00:22:13,801
Speaker 3: Run upstairs quickly because I'm like, this guy's going to

503
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,961
Speaker 3: grab you for in the vent.

504
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: That's how it was back then. Wow, it was tough. Jesus,

505
00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:23,321
Speaker 1: it was rough, but it was you get used to it,

506
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:23,561
Speaker 1: you know.

507
00:22:23,681 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: Mentally break you sometimes, nah, or you were you didn't

508
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: really notice that.

509
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,561
Speaker 3: I could not wait to go to work every day. Yeah,

510
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: I could not wait. I'd get up, wake up at

511
00:22:33,721 --> 00:22:36,521
Speaker 3: five or six in the afternoon, get ready.

512
00:22:36,801 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved it.

513
00:22:38,921 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: Wow, I can only say it was some of the

514
00:22:42,921 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: besties of my life.

515
00:22:44,921 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then you moved on to a kind of

516
00:22:47,721 --> 00:22:49,001
Speaker 1: different industry, you know.

517
00:22:49,721 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: And I remember you're telling me in your first interview

518
00:22:52,001 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: with me, you did it because you were kind of

519
00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:57,921
Speaker 2: like over the kind of strippers where they would take

520
00:22:58,001 --> 00:23:00,721
Speaker 2: money for doing stuff that they shouldn't do any kind

521
00:23:00,721 --> 00:23:01,281
Speaker 2: of like in a.

522
00:23:01,201 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: Way where they were escorts or do you're a stripper,

523
00:23:04,201 --> 00:23:05,801
Speaker 1: which ones you want to be you know what I mean.

524
00:23:05,921 --> 00:23:08,321
Speaker 1: It wasn't fair. Yeah, it wasn't fair. It was unfair.

525
00:23:08,321 --> 00:23:10,121
Speaker 1: But the other girls that didn't.

526
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,521
Speaker 2: Like that either, So you decided to go down the

527
00:23:13,521 --> 00:23:18,681
Speaker 2: path of being an escort. Now now, okay, so you're

528
00:23:18,721 --> 00:23:21,001
Speaker 2: going from a stripper to an escort.

529
00:23:21,441 --> 00:23:23,721
Speaker 1: Now tell me how.

530
00:23:23,441 --> 00:23:27,321
Speaker 2: The fuck do you do you transform into that? Because

531
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: that is a different level.

532
00:23:29,801 --> 00:23:34,001
Speaker 1: Okay? Easy? So yeah, I love the way it says

533
00:23:34,041 --> 00:23:37,041
Speaker 1: it's easy. Easy. Okay.

534
00:23:37,201 --> 00:23:39,561
Speaker 3: So for seven years I had all these fans that

535
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,561
Speaker 3: weren't allowed to touch me.

536
00:23:40,801 --> 00:23:42,481
Speaker 1: But now they can touch you for a price.

537
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,561
Speaker 2: Okay, So you say it's easy, But what these clients

538
00:23:47,561 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: tell you are coming in some of them have got

539
00:23:49,241 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: to be Some of them have got to be like,

540
00:23:50,521 --> 00:23:51,241
Speaker 2: I don't want him.

541
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: To touch me. No, you didn't look at powerful in

542
00:23:56,281 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 1: my work, Like I felt like I was making someone happy.

543
00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:01,961
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm getting paid for it. I had my boundaries

544
00:24:02,001 --> 00:24:05,681
Speaker 1: to you know, I was in control. I liked it.

545
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:07,321
Speaker 1: Stripping died out.

546
00:24:07,961 --> 00:24:11,521
Speaker 3: There was no money. It started becoming ship people. It

547
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: was getting dangerous for a while, Like there were so

548
00:24:13,681 --> 00:24:16,041
Speaker 3: many shootings. I didn't want to be a part of.

549
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: I don't want you know, Rick Shane bullets around me

550
00:24:19,441 --> 00:24:21,121
Speaker 3: like I've already been in the situations.

551
00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:23,761
Speaker 1: I had an instinct too, Like my grandma goes, are

552
00:24:23,761 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: you going to work? And I said, nah, I'm not

553
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,041
Speaker 1: going for a bit. She goes, why, Oh, I don't know, Grandmam.

554
00:24:28,041 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: Probably end up getting shot in there.

555
00:24:29,521 --> 00:24:32,561
Speaker 3: The same night there was a shooting in butter Being like,

556
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,761
Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell?

557
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,321
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna trust my instinct. I know, Yeah,

558
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,881
Speaker 1: it was. It's scary, you.

559
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: Know, because you came up with Remember telling me there

560
00:24:43,721 --> 00:24:45,561
Speaker 2: was a story about something that happened.

561
00:24:45,201 --> 00:24:49,481
Speaker 1: In Yeah, a girl a long time ago.

562
00:24:49,921 --> 00:24:54,801
Speaker 2: With some girl who I think she did she commit to,

563
00:24:54,921 --> 00:24:56,441
Speaker 2: so she got kidnapped or something like that.

564
00:24:56,681 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: I remember that.

565
00:24:57,201 --> 00:25:00,481
Speaker 3: Okay, Yah, there was a girl I met I met there. Yeah,

566
00:25:00,961 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: when I think her boyfriend was a bike k or something.

567
00:25:03,441 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: She got kidnapped. They wanted to know where it was

568
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: and she refused to tell them, so they fed her

569
00:25:08,921 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: poison and shaved their head. She did not open up

570
00:25:12,481 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: her mouth. This girl was eighteen years old. Like, I

571
00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:19,001
Speaker 3: took my hat off to her back then you know,

572
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: you kind of go. So they fallen came to her

573
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:26,041
Speaker 3: head because they shaved her head. Beautiful, stunning, young girl, stunning,

574
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,321
Speaker 3: such a beautiful person too, you know what I mean, Like,

575
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: I'm not a ship person because you are around. No,

576
00:25:32,241 --> 00:25:35,001
Speaker 3: it was and sh h people they made they held

577
00:25:35,041 --> 00:25:40,761
Speaker 3: their mouth open and they Scott poisoned. Wow, yeah, yeah

578
00:25:40,801 --> 00:25:42,801
Speaker 3: it was. It was when I heard it, like, I

579
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,761
Speaker 3: was devastated, but she just put all we on and

580
00:25:45,801 --> 00:25:47,001
Speaker 3: came to work like it was nothing.

581
00:25:47,961 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: Or because she wouldn't give up a boy friend, she

582
00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:50,361
Speaker 1: would not give him up.

583
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: No.

584
00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:55,961
Speaker 1: Wow, it was pretty heavy, Gudy. If you think about

585
00:25:56,001 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: it and what happened from that that you just I

586
00:25:59,241 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: think they realized they're not going to get nothing out

587
00:26:01,321 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: of her, and she's stayed in the industry or you

588
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,281
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to me.

589
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,601
Speaker 3: Like, look, I would bounce back from Stepton. I never

590
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,201
Speaker 3: stayed in one place. Yeah, people get sick of your

591
00:26:10,321 --> 00:26:14,281
Speaker 3: It's human nature, right, you can't eat chicken for eight much. Yeah,

592
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,201
Speaker 3: so I would bounce bang bang bang bang. So like, yeah,

593
00:26:17,241 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: she went in my for a while. I don't know

594
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,201
Speaker 3: what happened.

595
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,561
Speaker 5: That didn't put you off the industry seeing something like

596
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 5: that already new things were like that. Yeah, yeah, al ready.

597
00:26:25,681 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 5: You didn't face me. I never dated people like that.

598
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,321
Speaker 5: I had nothing to worry about.

599
00:26:33,281 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people would think, oh she

600
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: would date you know, some heavy duty da da da

601
00:26:37,801 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: da da, But for live it or not, I had

602
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,721
Speaker 3: no interest whatsoever.

603
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

604
00:26:41,681 --> 00:26:44,801
Speaker 3: I just wanted to skateboard, play Xbox and whatever games

605
00:26:45,201 --> 00:26:46,281
Speaker 3: what Xbox Nintendo?

606
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Really? Because going back.

607
00:26:48,921 --> 00:26:53,721
Speaker 2: Would be doing off first interview or about three, and

608
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,961
Speaker 2: I remember you walked into my studio.

609
00:26:57,321 --> 00:27:00,201
Speaker 4: He was running late. I remember you was in all sorts. Yeah,

610
00:27:00,241 --> 00:27:03,281
Speaker 4: you're run it late and you got dropped off. Yeah

611
00:27:03,481 --> 00:27:07,441
Speaker 4: you remember it because so that job from the NFE.

612
00:27:07,561 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: You were on a job from before. I need to

613
00:27:09,721 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: go home, and they're like, oh, please, please please don't

614
00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: please brought you. No, I had to get someone else

615
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,041
Speaker 1: to come drop me off. I'm like, can you come

616
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,681
Speaker 1: drop me off? I've got to be something important.

617
00:27:19,001 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: It got straight out and you're like, I've got a

618
00:27:20,441 --> 00:27:22,761
Speaker 3: lot of time, respectful, you know, like you've been so

619
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,961
Speaker 3: good to me all my life, and you know, I

620
00:27:25,001 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 3: feel like I've known you all my life, which is

621
00:27:27,441 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: nearly there, half way there at least I've known you

622
00:27:30,681 --> 00:27:32,921
Speaker 3: what for twenty years? If you think about it, yeah,

623
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,881
Speaker 3: and yeah, like I'm not going to let you down

624
00:27:36,001 --> 00:27:38,281
Speaker 3: no matter what state it was in. I'm so happy

625
00:27:38,321 --> 00:27:42,001
Speaker 3: there were no cameras back then, because I want to say, because.

626
00:27:41,761 --> 00:27:43,361
Speaker 1: That's why I want to bring up satire.

627
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,881
Speaker 2: You said you've seen this big lounge in that studio

628
00:27:46,521 --> 00:27:48,281
Speaker 2: and it was massively it was a massive lounge, and

629
00:27:48,321 --> 00:27:49,841
Speaker 2: you said, can I have this? And I said yeah,

630
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,441
Speaker 2: And I remember you're plucking yourself down and then your

631
00:27:54,441 --> 00:27:58,281
Speaker 2: bag fell on the floor and your poss machine things

632
00:27:58,281 --> 00:28:00,281
Speaker 2: fell up, your fell out your bag and what the

633
00:28:00,321 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: fuck is this?

634
00:28:00,921 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: She says, Oh, it's a tap and go? Think what

635
00:28:03,001 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: you mean to tap and go? I take it everywhere

636
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: will be because I'm working, and I just what the fuck?

637
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: A woman has to be prepared to make money. You

638
00:28:14,201 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: going to get in here? Just know what it is.

639
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,241
Speaker 1: I'm telling a woman. A woman has to be prepared.

640
00:28:19,281 --> 00:28:22,281
Speaker 1: My friends, that was hilarious. Yeah, And I was like,

641
00:28:22,321 --> 00:28:24,961
Speaker 1: I have to make it to this place. I can't.

642
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,441
Speaker 1: I cannot not make it.

643
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 3: But you know it's good you get to see me

644
00:28:28,561 --> 00:28:32,161
Speaker 3: before and after because I've come a long long way

645
00:28:32,241 --> 00:28:32,921
Speaker 3: from that day.

646
00:28:33,041 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Yes you have, Yeah you have, because I.

647
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: Got clean for a long time, and then when you

648
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,241
Speaker 3: see me again, I had to relapse.

649
00:28:39,401 --> 00:28:41,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember you're telling me that I've got

650
00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:42,601
Speaker 1: clean for a long time.

651
00:28:43,081 --> 00:28:46,681
Speaker 3: I'm clean again now, which is but I'm not fighting

652
00:28:47,001 --> 00:28:47,921
Speaker 3: to be clean anymore.

653
00:28:48,001 --> 00:28:48,441
Speaker 1: Yeah.

654
00:28:48,601 --> 00:28:52,281
Speaker 3: Back then I used to fight. You know, you're fighting yourself. Yeah,

655
00:28:52,321 --> 00:28:55,001
Speaker 3: I'm very blessed. I'm past that stage. Like I said,

656
00:28:55,041 --> 00:28:57,201
Speaker 3: it took me forty years, but I got there.

657
00:28:57,961 --> 00:28:59,881
Speaker 2: When you when you're talking about you've got to fight yourself.

658
00:28:59,881 --> 00:29:02,721
Speaker 2: What tell me what you're going through to go clean?

659
00:29:03,161 --> 00:29:04,201
Speaker 2: How you going through that?

660
00:29:05,921 --> 00:29:08,801
Speaker 3: Like when I was clean, I was married, obviously, I

661
00:29:08,841 --> 00:29:11,641
Speaker 3: was made for five years I got clean. You know,

662
00:29:11,721 --> 00:29:13,601
Speaker 3: I really wanted to be the housewife materia or whatever.

663
00:29:13,721 --> 00:29:17,041
Speaker 3: I tried my hardest anyways, and but you know, you'd

664
00:29:17,041 --> 00:29:18,801
Speaker 3: hear a party and you start thinking of the good

665
00:29:18,801 --> 00:29:20,521
Speaker 3: old days and you're like, oh, come on, man, I

666
00:29:20,561 --> 00:29:23,401
Speaker 3: just want to go out once, And you know that

667
00:29:23,481 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: tickles like always at the back of your head, you know,

668
00:29:26,281 --> 00:29:28,761
Speaker 3: or somebody will call you from the past, you know,

669
00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:30,121
Speaker 3: you're like, what are you doing a long time? I

670
00:29:30,241 --> 00:29:31,881
Speaker 3: see and you're like, oh, I just want to go

671
00:29:31,921 --> 00:29:34,201
Speaker 3: out one time. Or I would go have a drink

672
00:29:34,241 --> 00:29:37,801
Speaker 3: and the first thing I'd want is a bag. Let's

673
00:29:37,841 --> 00:29:40,481
Speaker 3: get one bag, one turn survive.

674
00:29:40,841 --> 00:29:43,881
Speaker 1: But now I put a lot of hard work into it.

675
00:29:43,921 --> 00:29:45,321
Speaker 1: I did a big program for it.

676
00:29:45,961 --> 00:29:47,601
Speaker 3: I don't know if that worked or I just grew

677
00:29:47,641 --> 00:29:49,641
Speaker 3: out of it, or I'm a mom now, as you know,

678
00:29:49,721 --> 00:29:51,801
Speaker 3: Like maybe it's because I you know, I love being

679
00:29:51,801 --> 00:29:52,721
Speaker 3: with my kids so much.

680
00:29:54,201 --> 00:29:55,561
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting myself.

681
00:29:55,641 --> 00:29:58,521
Speaker 3: Like if somebody will to say, hey, I'll be like, nah,

682
00:29:59,801 --> 00:30:02,841
Speaker 3: I'm a gym junkie now, you know, Like I'm every

683
00:30:02,841 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: morning I'm at the gym. Really, I can't imagine not

684
00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:09,121
Speaker 3: going to the gym because I'm coming down, or you know,

685
00:30:09,361 --> 00:30:10,961
Speaker 3: not being able to answer phone to my kids because

686
00:30:10,961 --> 00:30:13,041
Speaker 3: I'm not in the right set of mind. It turns

687
00:30:13,081 --> 00:30:17,641
Speaker 3: me off, and I'm glad I got there. Finally it's doable.

688
00:30:17,681 --> 00:30:19,801
Speaker 3: You know, you just got to make some drastic changes.

689
00:30:20,041 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: What was the worst thing you go through, like coming

690
00:30:22,481 --> 00:30:25,161
Speaker 2: down and trying to get clean? Would you lock yourself away?

691
00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:27,561
Speaker 2: How would you how would you look?

692
00:30:27,641 --> 00:30:30,561
Speaker 3: My biggest problem for me was always Heroin, even though

693
00:30:30,601 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people didn't know, because I kind of

694
00:30:32,441 --> 00:30:35,881
Speaker 3: held myself all right, but it catches up to you

695
00:30:35,961 --> 00:30:37,041
Speaker 3: everything catches up to your.

696
00:30:37,201 --> 00:30:38,881
Speaker 1: Do you only take that because you see someone else

697
00:30:38,921 --> 00:30:41,601
Speaker 1: taking it or no? I've always been. I've always been.

698
00:30:41,761 --> 00:30:44,241
Speaker 2: Because it was a drug that you could release yourself

699
00:30:44,281 --> 00:30:45,801
Speaker 2: and be free, Like you found.

700
00:30:45,681 --> 00:30:48,041
Speaker 3: I could be normal on it. People wouldn't know. I

701
00:30:48,281 --> 00:30:49,841
Speaker 3: liked the feeling I had from it, you know what

702
00:30:49,921 --> 00:30:52,081
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, I never hung out with people that

703
00:30:52,121 --> 00:30:54,281
Speaker 3: took Caroin either. You know, it was my kind of thing.

704
00:30:55,121 --> 00:30:57,561
Speaker 3: It's not something you can go tell people. You know,

705
00:30:57,721 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: people bring out plates and I'm bringing, you know, my

706
00:30:59,521 --> 00:31:04,041
Speaker 3: own thing, which I did manytimes, people freaked out and

707
00:31:04,081 --> 00:31:07,281
Speaker 3: I'm like racist, raceless.

708
00:31:07,361 --> 00:31:07,601
Speaker 4: But.

709
00:31:09,081 --> 00:31:12,041
Speaker 3: I'd say Heroin's really hard because it is a physical

710
00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:16,881
Speaker 3: like withdrawal. Your body won't let you sleep. It's like

711
00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:19,041
Speaker 3: you got your legs are like you know, that feeling

712
00:31:19,081 --> 00:31:23,001
Speaker 3: of falling. It's like that. So you're very restless, You're

713
00:31:23,041 --> 00:31:25,121
Speaker 3: not well, you want to vomit, you need to go bathroom.

714
00:31:25,521 --> 00:31:28,601
Speaker 3: It's it's excruciating. If it's all that, then what made

715
00:31:28,681 --> 00:31:29,241
Speaker 3: you take it?

716
00:31:29,281 --> 00:31:30,161
Speaker 1: Then? What was what was.

717
00:31:30,161 --> 00:31:32,321
Speaker 3: The What happens is when you take it, you forget

718
00:31:32,321 --> 00:31:34,401
Speaker 3: three four days are past. All you need is three

719
00:31:34,441 --> 00:31:36,641
Speaker 3: days on it. And I'd say, you're back to square one,

720
00:31:36,801 --> 00:31:39,401
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And every time I'll take

721
00:31:39,401 --> 00:31:41,961
Speaker 3: an upper, I need that to come down. Other people

722
00:31:42,041 --> 00:31:43,521
Speaker 3: used to take that next. I used to take heroin,

723
00:31:43,561 --> 00:31:46,801
Speaker 3: you know, so I'd use it hand in hand. And

724
00:31:46,881 --> 00:31:49,481
Speaker 3: now I know now that I can't dibble dabble into

725
00:31:49,561 --> 00:31:51,921
Speaker 3: the other stuff because I know where I'm going to

726
00:31:51,921 --> 00:31:53,001
Speaker 3: go straight for the other stuff.

727
00:31:53,001 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's not worth it. How much would you

728
00:31:55,241 --> 00:31:56,641
Speaker 1: be spending on that a week?

729
00:31:57,441 --> 00:31:59,641
Speaker 3: When I used to be on the ice and then

730
00:31:59,681 --> 00:32:02,361
Speaker 3: I used to get my heroin, I'd spend more two

731
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:05,001
Speaker 3: grams let's say one gram of eyes two grams of

732
00:32:05,521 --> 00:32:07,841
Speaker 3: and then I'd get I'd spend at least six hundred

733
00:32:07,841 --> 00:32:10,441
Speaker 3: and seven maybe a thousand bucks a day a day. Yeah,

734
00:32:10,481 --> 00:32:14,641
Speaker 3: it could be anywhere from six hundred twelve thousand bucks. Easy, wow, easy.

735
00:32:15,121 --> 00:32:17,601
Speaker 3: And you know it's become a cycle. Go work, make

736
00:32:17,641 --> 00:32:18,521
Speaker 3: the money come home.

737
00:32:18,601 --> 00:32:20,561
Speaker 1: Do you have to people know or that you hit

738
00:32:20,601 --> 00:32:20,881
Speaker 1: it well?

739
00:32:20,921 --> 00:32:23,761
Speaker 3: From people in the starter, I didn't tell no one,

740
00:32:23,841 --> 00:32:28,281
Speaker 3: but then I just didn't care. Yeah, I'm like, no

741
00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:28,961
Speaker 3: one's perfect.

742
00:32:29,001 --> 00:32:30,361
Speaker 1: This is what I do. Big warp, you know what

743
00:32:30,401 --> 00:32:31,481
Speaker 1: I mean. It wasn't a big deal.

744
00:32:31,881 --> 00:32:34,761
Speaker 3: What I didn't like is a lot of young girls

745
00:32:34,801 --> 00:32:37,361
Speaker 3: that kind of wanted to hang out with me and

746
00:32:37,401 --> 00:32:40,161
Speaker 3: all that. They started trying to do that even though

747
00:32:40,161 --> 00:32:42,961
Speaker 3: I wouldn't allow that. I'm like, you've never touched drugs.

748
00:32:43,001 --> 00:32:45,041
Speaker 3: You're not going to touch drugs with me. It's not happening.

749
00:32:45,281 --> 00:32:48,001
Speaker 3: Like there's some moral you know, you have there, and

750
00:32:48,241 --> 00:32:51,561
Speaker 3: they would go do it, and I just felt a

751
00:32:51,601 --> 00:32:54,121
Speaker 3: bit responsible for it, do you know what I mean?

752
00:32:55,241 --> 00:32:57,321
Speaker 3: And yeah, people would think it's cool and they try

753
00:32:57,361 --> 00:32:58,401
Speaker 3: to do the same thing like I was.

754
00:32:58,481 --> 00:33:01,361
Speaker 1: I used to use needles. Let's be realistic. Suddenly some

755
00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:03,401
Speaker 1: persons starting to use needles and I'm like, what are

756
00:33:03,401 --> 00:33:03,721
Speaker 1: you doing?

757
00:33:03,761 --> 00:33:03,921
Speaker 2: Bro?

758
00:33:04,161 --> 00:33:04,761
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

759
00:33:05,281 --> 00:33:07,721
Speaker 3: Because they've seen me that thought it was a cool thing.

760
00:33:07,761 --> 00:33:10,481
Speaker 3: That'sought Taylor's doing it, you know, And.

761
00:33:11,881 --> 00:33:14,321
Speaker 2: It's not what changed you to stop. What was the

762
00:33:14,321 --> 00:33:15,961
Speaker 2: thing that made you go, I can't do this normal?

763
00:33:15,961 --> 00:33:19,401
Speaker 1: What is it? Jail?

764
00:33:19,761 --> 00:33:22,161
Speaker 2: So but when you when you went in the recent

765
00:33:22,241 --> 00:33:25,521
Speaker 2: time that you've just talk about, how did you cope

766
00:33:25,721 --> 00:33:26,841
Speaker 2: not being able to get it?

767
00:33:27,201 --> 00:33:29,481
Speaker 1: What could you get it? Inside? Yeah?

768
00:33:29,681 --> 00:33:32,161
Speaker 3: Look, jail's changed a lot. It's not as easy to

769
00:33:32,281 --> 00:33:35,801
Speaker 3: get heroin. I know, there's other things like boup and

770
00:33:35,801 --> 00:33:38,561
Speaker 3: all that. But it was very hard covid here, you

771
00:33:38,561 --> 00:33:41,401
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But when I was taken in,

772
00:33:41,601 --> 00:33:45,761
Speaker 3: I had a massive heroine issue and issue as well.

773
00:33:46,281 --> 00:33:47,161
Speaker 1: It really rocked me.

774
00:33:48,121 --> 00:33:50,281
Speaker 3: I wasn't as bad as I've been before well everyone,

775
00:33:50,281 --> 00:33:52,161
Speaker 3: which is really weird because I should have been worse.

776
00:33:52,641 --> 00:33:54,721
Speaker 3: But it did rock me, you know. So I jumped

777
00:33:54,761 --> 00:33:57,601
Speaker 3: on the programming there on the Puvotal program.

778
00:33:58,321 --> 00:34:00,081
Speaker 1: That did they help you to get off it or

779
00:34:00,121 --> 00:34:00,401
Speaker 1: were they?

780
00:34:00,601 --> 00:34:03,561
Speaker 3: They waited for you to go through the hell and

781
00:34:03,561 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: then they teach your fucking listen and then when it

782
00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: was time. So what happened is I basically handed myself in.

783
00:34:10,601 --> 00:34:11,241
Speaker 1: So I went.

784
00:34:13,321 --> 00:34:15,961
Speaker 3: Before I hand myself in and I jumped on the program,

785
00:34:16,361 --> 00:34:19,001
Speaker 3: but they because it happened on the same day, they

786
00:34:19,081 --> 00:34:21,521
Speaker 3: didn't give it to me, you know what I mean. However,

787
00:34:21,561 --> 00:34:23,201
Speaker 3: I got to get into the program in jail a

788
00:34:23,241 --> 00:34:26,041
Speaker 3: lot quicker because of that move I made. Yeah, so

789
00:34:26,121 --> 00:34:28,401
Speaker 3: I stayed on the program in there, you know what

790
00:34:28,481 --> 00:34:31,561
Speaker 3: I mean. And then I got off it because I

791
00:34:31,601 --> 00:34:34,521
Speaker 3: thought I wanted to use again, and then I had

792
00:34:34,561 --> 00:34:37,081
Speaker 3: a big overdose in jail. Or you know, some girls

793
00:34:37,081 --> 00:34:39,121
Speaker 3: are saying it's not an overdose. What happened to me

794
00:34:40,081 --> 00:34:42,641
Speaker 3: was quite excruciating when I had the when I used.

795
00:34:43,441 --> 00:34:46,081
Speaker 3: Then I started doing a program in there called adapt

796
00:34:46,121 --> 00:34:49,201
Speaker 3: which is an intersive drug and alcohol program. It goes

797
00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: for seven months, five days a week. It's basically tailored individually,

798
00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:58,601
Speaker 3: so you talk about core beliefs, problems that you've got,

799
00:34:58,601 --> 00:35:00,481
Speaker 3: problems you know, when you've grown up. I guess the

800
00:35:00,521 --> 00:35:04,281
Speaker 3: best way to say it. Your drug issues are CBT,

801
00:35:04,481 --> 00:35:09,561
Speaker 3: which is cognitive behavioral therapy. You learn how to like process.

802
00:35:09,601 --> 00:35:12,401
Speaker 3: You're thinking it's the same, fuck it, you know what

803
00:35:12,441 --> 00:35:15,001
Speaker 3: I mean? You change it. And I didn't think that

804
00:35:15,081 --> 00:35:17,681
Speaker 3: really would do anything, but believe it or not, I

805
00:35:17,721 --> 00:35:20,761
Speaker 3: came out of jail and I changed my whole life.

806
00:35:21,121 --> 00:35:24,001
Speaker 3: And it must have worked. You don't know until you

807
00:35:24,081 --> 00:35:26,321
Speaker 3: try it. Yeah, jail was tough.

808
00:35:27,641 --> 00:35:29,841
Speaker 1: Were you going to cell by yourself? Or you one?

809
00:35:29,921 --> 00:35:32,201
Speaker 3: And then in the beginning I was in the two

810
00:35:32,241 --> 00:35:36,641
Speaker 3: hour Yeah, and then on my own. But you know,

811
00:35:36,681 --> 00:35:38,601
Speaker 3: I was thirty eight when I went to jail. These

812
00:35:38,601 --> 00:35:41,241
Speaker 3: girls and they've been coming in since eighteen. I was

813
00:35:41,281 --> 00:35:43,241
Speaker 3: braining you like fresh meat, I'd say, you.

814
00:35:43,281 --> 00:35:44,081
Speaker 1: Know, how'd you go?

815
00:35:45,241 --> 00:35:45,401
Speaker 2: Oh?

816
00:35:45,481 --> 00:35:49,081
Speaker 3: I was so rough man for me, honestly, like like.

817
00:35:49,241 --> 00:35:53,081
Speaker 2: To describe like your core case, well not your court case,

818
00:35:53,121 --> 00:35:55,521
Speaker 2: but that final moment in court when you know you're

819
00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:55,961
Speaker 2: going in.

820
00:35:56,401 --> 00:35:56,601
Speaker 4: Yeah.

821
00:35:56,641 --> 00:35:59,041
Speaker 3: I was a bit beside myself, not beside myself. I

822
00:35:59,121 --> 00:36:01,281
Speaker 3: really thought I was going to go home, because yeah,

823
00:36:01,281 --> 00:36:04,601
Speaker 3: I'd gone away with everything in the past. I was like, shit,

824
00:36:05,041 --> 00:36:07,161
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and get bailed again. But my

825
00:36:07,241 --> 00:36:09,201
Speaker 3: lawyer said to me that like, you got no chance, man,

826
00:36:09,881 --> 00:36:12,281
Speaker 3: you got no chance. And the judge was very lenient

827
00:36:12,321 --> 00:36:15,081
Speaker 3: with me as well. I was very blessed because they

828
00:36:15,081 --> 00:36:17,641
Speaker 3: said I was resilient in the past. I should have

829
00:36:17,641 --> 00:36:18,321
Speaker 3: got a lot longer.

830
00:36:18,601 --> 00:36:18,801
Speaker 2: Yeah.

831
00:36:19,601 --> 00:36:22,321
Speaker 3: I think a lot for me was my family didn't

832
00:36:22,361 --> 00:36:24,721
Speaker 3: talk to me anymore. Yeah, you know, I didn't get

833
00:36:24,721 --> 00:36:27,921
Speaker 3: to see my kids very often. And I didn't want

834
00:36:27,961 --> 00:36:29,841
Speaker 3: to go back there. An, I don't want to go

835
00:36:29,881 --> 00:36:31,761
Speaker 3: back there, Like I live a good life out here,

836
00:36:32,641 --> 00:36:34,321
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean. We don't even have

837
00:36:34,361 --> 00:36:36,601
Speaker 3: a proper gym there, like the boys. I don't know.

838
00:36:36,641 --> 00:36:39,041
Speaker 3: You guys are allowed to use things. Every time I

839
00:36:39,081 --> 00:36:41,401
Speaker 3: take like a five liter bottle, they'd take it off me.

840
00:36:42,481 --> 00:36:42,681
Speaker 1: You know.

841
00:36:42,881 --> 00:36:44,761
Speaker 3: It was hard. I was in Maxo for a long

842
00:36:44,801 --> 00:36:47,281
Speaker 3: time too, you know, out of my time. And then

843
00:36:47,281 --> 00:36:50,161
Speaker 3: when I went to Medium Needs, it was open. I

844
00:36:50,201 --> 00:36:53,801
Speaker 3: could start running. But there's trouble always, like you walk

845
00:36:53,881 --> 00:36:56,761
Speaker 3: out even if it's not true. There's a drama, you know,

846
00:36:57,601 --> 00:36:59,841
Speaker 3: And I got over it. I'm like, I can't be bothered.

847
00:36:59,841 --> 00:37:02,121
Speaker 3: I'm getting too old, you know, I'm walking around black

848
00:37:02,121 --> 00:37:05,961
Speaker 3: eyes sometimes. My those one day was over here really yeah, yeah,

849
00:37:06,001 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: like things don't get me wrong. Like I finally got there,

850
00:37:09,001 --> 00:37:11,161
Speaker 3: like I'll stand up to myself and whatever. But in

851
00:37:11,201 --> 00:37:14,961
Speaker 3: the start, you don't understand how jail works, you know.

852
00:37:15,281 --> 00:37:16,921
Speaker 3: I was like, why why is this happening? What have

853
00:37:16,961 --> 00:37:17,201
Speaker 3: I done?

854
00:37:17,281 --> 00:37:18,001
Speaker 1: Da? Da da da da?

855
00:37:18,081 --> 00:37:20,761
Speaker 3: You know, but then you start picking it. It's not

856
00:37:20,841 --> 00:37:24,121
Speaker 3: just you. This is how people are in there. You know,

857
00:37:23,841 --> 00:37:25,161
Speaker 3: they've got nothing better to do.

858
00:37:26,321 --> 00:37:26,601
Speaker 2: Wow.

859
00:37:27,521 --> 00:37:29,921
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you feel very lonely on your first night

860
00:37:29,961 --> 00:37:32,801
Speaker 1: there or they did not? I felt sick. I was

861
00:37:32,921 --> 00:37:34,521
Speaker 1: very sick. Yeah, yeah I was.

862
00:37:34,801 --> 00:37:38,001
Speaker 3: I was in the dungeon, the dungeons in Surrey Hills

863
00:37:38,361 --> 00:37:42,561
Speaker 3: for five days, like no shower, you know, hanging out,

864
00:37:42,721 --> 00:37:45,081
Speaker 3: stick as a dog. I guess, you know. I was very,

865
00:37:45,201 --> 00:37:47,481
Speaker 3: very sick. Then when they took me to the jail.

866
00:37:47,841 --> 00:37:49,521
Speaker 3: I was in the shower every twenty minutes as soon

867
00:37:49,521 --> 00:37:51,281
Speaker 3: as that button could you can press that button and

868
00:37:51,321 --> 00:37:54,041
Speaker 3: it turns on because it has a time when you

869
00:37:54,041 --> 00:37:56,321
Speaker 3: can have a shower. I would be laying on the floor,

870
00:37:56,361 --> 00:37:59,401
Speaker 3: you know. Take you to which I went to Maluwa

871
00:37:59,521 --> 00:38:04,041
Speaker 3: for the first month, and then I went to Windsor before.

872
00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:06,161
Speaker 2: I was going to talk going into the industry of

873
00:38:06,841 --> 00:38:09,161
Speaker 2: escorton but I want to get because this because we're

874
00:38:09,201 --> 00:38:09,681
Speaker 2: on this one.

875
00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:13,361
Speaker 1: So tell me the situation. What happened to get you

876
00:38:13,361 --> 00:38:16,921
Speaker 1: in jail? Because when I seen it, I couldn't believe it.

877
00:38:16,921 --> 00:38:19,281
Speaker 1: It came on my feeds on social media.

878
00:38:19,401 --> 00:38:23,241
Speaker 2: Okay, and it was blatantly your your face, But I thought,

879
00:38:23,361 --> 00:38:23,841
Speaker 2: what that is?

880
00:38:23,841 --> 00:38:24,601
Speaker 1: This is this a.

881
00:38:26,321 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just thinking, whoa, what the fuck? And then

882
00:38:30,161 --> 00:38:33,161
Speaker 2: all of a sudden a video got released and it

883
00:38:33,241 --> 00:38:34,681
Speaker 2: was like what the fuck? Mmm.

884
00:38:35,361 --> 00:38:38,241
Speaker 3: So I was in a really shitty relationship. I'm not

885
00:38:38,521 --> 00:38:41,721
Speaker 3: gonna blame the partner, the ex partner, but yeah, I

886
00:38:41,761 --> 00:38:43,881
Speaker 3: was in a very bad relationship. It was there was

887
00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:45,681
Speaker 3: a lot of co dependency, a lot of drug use,

888
00:38:46,281 --> 00:38:48,641
Speaker 3: not in a start, but at the end that's how

889
00:38:48,641 --> 00:38:51,401
Speaker 3: it got and a lot of violence and.

890
00:38:52,961 --> 00:38:53,561
Speaker 1: Between us.

891
00:38:54,241 --> 00:38:56,401
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when I realized this person wasn't for me,

892
00:38:56,441 --> 00:38:58,281
Speaker 3: because I was very careful all my life who I

893
00:38:58,321 --> 00:38:59,521
Speaker 3: was a whole day, you know what I mean.

894
00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:00,601
Speaker 1: It was too late.

895
00:39:00,921 --> 00:39:03,081
Speaker 3: I was already in it, months in it, you know

896
00:39:03,121 --> 00:39:05,961
Speaker 3: what I mean. I wasn't strong enough to go stuff this.

897
00:39:07,281 --> 00:39:11,481
Speaker 3: I wanted to change that person. So now what happened

898
00:39:11,521 --> 00:39:14,681
Speaker 3: is basically he owed quite a bit of money.

899
00:39:14,401 --> 00:39:16,241
Speaker 1: Somewhere, you know what I mean.

900
00:39:16,601 --> 00:39:18,281
Speaker 3: I was hanging out with this person that said, there's

901
00:39:18,281 --> 00:39:21,001
Speaker 3: a mad job, you know what I mean. Somebody had

902
00:39:21,041 --> 00:39:23,561
Speaker 3: done something to hurt me as well. All of this

903
00:39:23,721 --> 00:39:29,521
Speaker 3: came together and I said, we're going in. We're going in,

904
00:39:29,841 --> 00:39:32,001
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, all right, I'm like just following

905
00:39:32,001 --> 00:39:35,081
Speaker 3: my dad dying about it. So you know, we went

906
00:39:35,121 --> 00:39:37,401
Speaker 3: to his house and everything was locked, and he's like,

907
00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:39,641
Speaker 3: let's go, and I said, no, we're already here. So

908
00:39:39,761 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: I reached the window out of the freaking seal around it,

909
00:39:45,921 --> 00:39:49,881
Speaker 3: and I jumped through the window with a knife, no mask, nothing,

910
00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,481
Speaker 3: because at that time I must have thought I was

911
00:39:51,481 --> 00:39:53,721
Speaker 3: invisible because.

912
00:39:53,481 --> 00:39:55,681
Speaker 1: I had, like, you know, I had drugs on the

913
00:39:55,681 --> 00:39:57,561
Speaker 1: way there. So that was it. I had rack and

914
00:39:57,601 --> 00:40:02,201
Speaker 1: that's you bang Superman and he's like no no.

915
00:40:02,201 --> 00:40:04,121
Speaker 3: I'm like, and I dropped a knife and this man

916
00:40:04,161 --> 00:40:07,561
Speaker 3: comes out half naked, no bottoms on, and I'm like,

917
00:40:07,601 --> 00:40:10,121
Speaker 3: don't touch it. So I get in and I grab it,

918
00:40:10,121 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: and I'm like, where's one two three? You know, He's

919
00:40:11,961 --> 00:40:15,321
Speaker 3: gone no, no, no, And he got on my nerves and

920
00:40:15,441 --> 00:40:18,801
Speaker 3: I didn't realize, but yeah, I stabbed him.

921
00:40:19,441 --> 00:40:22,041
Speaker 1: Well, he was the person you came to see. Yeah, yeah,

922
00:40:22,161 --> 00:40:22,801
Speaker 1: I stabbed him.

923
00:40:22,841 --> 00:40:26,401
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very lucky. I could have got manslaughter, I

924
00:40:26,441 --> 00:40:28,761
Speaker 3: mean sorry, attempted murder. Yeah, I could have killed him

925
00:40:28,881 --> 00:40:31,441
Speaker 3: very easily. So I had a quite a big knife,

926
00:40:32,001 --> 00:40:35,161
Speaker 3: a kitchen knife, and it went down his clavicle.

927
00:40:35,761 --> 00:40:40,161
Speaker 1: Oh you stab him there? Yeah, And then I.

928
00:40:40,161 --> 00:40:42,601
Speaker 3: Put a blanket around him or something, and I said,

929
00:40:42,641 --> 00:40:43,721
Speaker 3: let's get the fuck out of here.

930
00:40:44,321 --> 00:40:45,881
Speaker 1: You stab him, and then you stop the fucking try

931
00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,521
Speaker 1: and treat him. WHOA what else am I meant to do?

932
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:52,081
Speaker 1: I did that last time, so it was like, have it.

933
00:40:52,281 --> 00:40:54,241
Speaker 3: I grabbed the tablecloth last time and I put around

934
00:40:54,241 --> 00:40:55,801
Speaker 3: the other person's there. So I did the same thing

935
00:40:56,361 --> 00:40:59,281
Speaker 3: and I was just out of there, you know. But

936
00:40:59,361 --> 00:41:02,521
Speaker 3: I had no feelings towards the situation, I didn't care,

937
00:41:02,641 --> 00:41:06,561
Speaker 3: you know, I was I wasn't the right mindset at

938
00:41:06,561 --> 00:41:08,801
Speaker 3: that point. Drugs had taken over me. I had a

939
00:41:08,801 --> 00:41:12,401
Speaker 3: lot of grief because some things that have happened. It was,

940
00:41:13,081 --> 00:41:15,321
Speaker 3: it was horrible. If I didn't go to jail on

941
00:41:15,321 --> 00:41:17,721
Speaker 3: New York, I would have never changed.

942
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:20,401
Speaker 1: You probably would have got someone else's or someone else

943
00:41:20,521 --> 00:41:22,241
Speaker 1: or someone else. I reckon, I maybe would have been

944
00:41:22,241 --> 00:41:24,721
Speaker 1: been deadbine now if somebody would have killed me, or

945
00:41:24,721 --> 00:41:27,441
Speaker 1: I would have overdosed, or I would have nourished, I

946
00:41:27,441 --> 00:41:31,121
Speaker 1: don't know. Anything would have happened. That happened.

947
00:41:31,201 --> 00:41:34,241
Speaker 3: And then I was puddling around the city because I

948
00:41:34,281 --> 00:41:36,241
Speaker 3: was worried We're going to come get me, the coppers.

949
00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:38,561
Speaker 3: And then when I realized nothing had come up, after

950
00:41:38,601 --> 00:41:40,841
Speaker 3: a while, I was like, man, I'm going home. I

951
00:41:40,881 --> 00:41:42,481
Speaker 3: went back to my house. Then I went back to

952
00:41:42,521 --> 00:41:45,521
Speaker 3: the city. The party for a few days, and I

953
00:41:45,561 --> 00:41:47,721
Speaker 3: get a phone call from my family and they're like,

954
00:41:47,721 --> 00:41:49,441
Speaker 3: you're on a fucking us What the function with you?

955
00:41:49,521 --> 00:41:50,481
Speaker 1: One? Two three?

956
00:41:50,921 --> 00:41:53,761
Speaker 3: And then the coppers called me as well, and they're like,

957
00:41:53,801 --> 00:41:55,961
Speaker 3: oh where are you? And I'm like I'm out, you know,

958
00:41:56,921 --> 00:41:58,961
Speaker 3: And They're like, oh, well, we're just in your area

959
00:41:59,281 --> 00:42:02,201
Speaker 3: and I said yeah, and they're going, oh, like, we

960
00:42:02,241 --> 00:42:04,081
Speaker 3: want to come talk to you. And I'm like, well,

961
00:42:04,121 --> 00:42:07,521
Speaker 3: I didn't think we're there's anything to talk about. He goes, well,

962
00:42:07,601 --> 00:42:11,161
Speaker 3: do don't you think? So I said possibly, you know, maybe,

963
00:42:11,281 --> 00:42:12,721
Speaker 3: but I don't really want to talk to you, you

964
00:42:12,801 --> 00:42:15,681
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I'm like, keep driving around

965
00:42:15,721 --> 00:42:17,321
Speaker 3: my house. I don't care. I'm not going to Thanks

966
00:42:17,361 --> 00:42:20,081
Speaker 3: for letting me know I'm not going there. And then

967
00:42:20,121 --> 00:42:22,161
Speaker 3: I rang up a lawyer, the same lawyer I had

968
00:42:22,241 --> 00:42:23,401
Speaker 3: last time for the same reason.

969
00:42:23,561 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, this guy knows my situation. Maybe

970
00:42:25,481 --> 00:42:26,041
Speaker 1: he can fix me.

971
00:42:26,241 --> 00:42:28,081
Speaker 3: And he's like, you need to go hand yourself in

972
00:42:28,801 --> 00:42:30,881
Speaker 3: and I said yeah, all right. So my Coley, which

973
00:42:30,961 --> 00:42:32,321
Speaker 3: was my partner, he's like, oh, I want to go

974
00:42:32,321 --> 00:42:34,601
Speaker 3: on a run and I'm like where and he goes, oh,

975
00:42:34,641 --> 00:42:37,361
Speaker 3: there's this farm. I'm like, how are we going to eat?

976
00:42:37,641 --> 00:42:39,881
Speaker 3: I'm like, you can't even freaking wipe your ask, you know,

977
00:42:39,961 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: nothing like this, you know what I mean?

978
00:42:41,721 --> 00:42:43,241
Speaker 1: How we're going to eat? I have a drug issue.

979
00:42:43,321 --> 00:42:45,081
Speaker 3: I can't go and the farm old ee down there,

980
00:42:45,121 --> 00:42:49,881
Speaker 3: you know, And realistically, my mind started thinking properly. At

981
00:42:49,881 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: that point, I said, they're going to come and start

982
00:42:51,521 --> 00:42:54,241
Speaker 3: raiding houses. My children are there. You know, it's not

983
00:42:54,281 --> 00:42:56,121
Speaker 3: going to stop. I need to go hand myself in

984
00:42:56,801 --> 00:43:00,241
Speaker 3: and I did. That was my opportunity to get the

985
00:43:00,281 --> 00:43:04,681
Speaker 3: fuck out of that shit. Wow, but I thought I

986
00:43:04,681 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: was a getting in bail.

987
00:43:08,161 --> 00:43:09,041
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home.

988
00:43:10,041 --> 00:43:12,841
Speaker 3: I'm going to start with my life fresh.

989
00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:17,401
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's massive. It is.

990
00:43:17,481 --> 00:43:20,841
Speaker 3: It's pretty sad, you know what, Satah that they put

991
00:43:20,881 --> 00:43:24,041
Speaker 3: my face up on Facebook and every fucking person out

992
00:43:24,041 --> 00:43:26,481
Speaker 3: there dogged me put my name out there on public

993
00:43:27,081 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: like it's Taylor Guns, it's Taylor Guns.

994
00:43:28,521 --> 00:43:31,601
Speaker 1: I'm like, do these people have no shame? Because I

995
00:43:31,601 --> 00:43:33,761
Speaker 1: remember I remember seeing it. I just went, no, this

996
00:43:33,881 --> 00:43:34,401
Speaker 1: can't be right.

997
00:43:34,401 --> 00:43:37,201
Speaker 2: And then people started message me going, did you see

998
00:43:37,441 --> 00:43:38,681
Speaker 2: on the on the the police watch?

999
00:43:38,681 --> 00:43:42,441
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's it. Remember here from but a

1000
00:43:42,481 --> 00:43:47,761
Speaker 1: Being she was on your podcast. That's embarrassing. She was

1001
00:43:47,801 --> 00:43:49,841
Speaker 1: on your podcast. Really got to get her on again.

1002
00:43:51,641 --> 00:43:52,721
Speaker 1: It was embarrassing.

1003
00:43:52,801 --> 00:43:56,121
Speaker 3: You know, it's been embarrassing when you're good, when you're

1004
00:43:56,161 --> 00:44:00,161
Speaker 3: good and you're you're you're really good, you look back

1005
00:44:00,201 --> 00:44:01,441
Speaker 3: and it is embarrassing.

1006
00:44:01,601 --> 00:44:06,281
Speaker 1: That ship ain't getting so yeah, no way, never again.

1007
00:44:06,521 --> 00:44:07,801
Speaker 1: Have you still got some good issues.

1008
00:44:08,801 --> 00:44:14,361
Speaker 3: I'm so in control of my emotions, very in control.

1009
00:44:14,841 --> 00:44:18,161
Speaker 3: I've removed a lot of people from my life. For

1010
00:44:18,201 --> 00:44:19,761
Speaker 3: the people out there that don't know, I don't go

1011
00:44:19,801 --> 00:44:23,081
Speaker 3: by Tailor Guns anymore. I have a real name, and

1012
00:44:24,121 --> 00:44:26,681
Speaker 3: so I guess the best way to say is Taylor

1013
00:44:26,721 --> 00:44:28,361
Speaker 3: Guns does not exist anymore.

1014
00:44:29,201 --> 00:44:30,921
Speaker 1: Finished. This is the last time it will be made.

1015
00:44:31,041 --> 00:44:34,881
Speaker 1: I'll ever come off. That's why I came here today

1016
00:44:35,201 --> 00:44:37,841
Speaker 1: to put it closure, to let everyone.

1017
00:44:37,481 --> 00:44:39,681
Speaker 3: Know, because a lot of people do come up and say,

1018
00:44:39,681 --> 00:44:41,801
Speaker 3: how are you Tailer Guns, And I'm like, I don't.

1019
00:44:41,921 --> 00:44:45,601
Speaker 3: That person doesn't exist anymore. Sorry. You know, I wanted

1020
00:44:45,641 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: to change things up, you know. I want to live

1021
00:44:49,121 --> 00:44:53,881
Speaker 3: a life, a beautiful life, and I have two great kids.

1022
00:44:53,921 --> 00:44:56,401
Speaker 3: You know, I have my Grandma's come back to my life,

1023
00:44:56,401 --> 00:44:59,481
Speaker 3: which is great. I'm very blessed. I'm starting a business

1024
00:44:59,881 --> 00:45:04,361
Speaker 3: helping women out which with this, with intimacy and their sexuality,

1025
00:45:04,681 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: just help and reclaim their identity in that thing, helping

1026
00:45:07,521 --> 00:45:10,601
Speaker 3: them out with trauma, anything they want to learn. You know,

1027
00:45:10,761 --> 00:45:13,561
Speaker 3: I'm there because I have that background too, and things

1028
00:45:13,561 --> 00:45:15,561
Speaker 3: have gone really well for me. But I had to

1029
00:45:15,561 --> 00:45:17,681
Speaker 3: get rid of everyone. I had to change my name.

1030
00:45:18,121 --> 00:45:20,441
Speaker 3: I had to get rid of my old social media's,

1031
00:45:20,441 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: the ones I called there's someone I can't get into.

1032
00:45:23,161 --> 00:45:25,921
Speaker 3: They want ID. I'm like that, I don't have ID

1033
00:45:26,081 --> 00:45:29,481
Speaker 3: for tailor guns. It's not a real person, man. You know,

1034
00:45:29,641 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: I can give you my ID, and I don't even

1035
00:45:31,961 --> 00:45:34,841
Speaker 3: look like that person anymore, you know. Yeah, I had

1036
00:45:34,841 --> 00:45:39,241
Speaker 3: to change everything everything, And that's the only way it works.

1037
00:45:39,761 --> 00:45:42,001
Speaker 3: If you want to get clean, if you want to change,

1038
00:45:42,001 --> 00:45:43,801
Speaker 3: if you want to do better in your life, you

1039
00:45:43,881 --> 00:45:47,441
Speaker 3: need to raise everything in you. You need to humble

1040
00:45:47,481 --> 00:45:49,481
Speaker 3: yourself and start fresh.

1041
00:45:49,641 --> 00:45:51,681
Speaker 2: But how did you get out of the escort scene

1042
00:45:52,201 --> 00:45:54,281
Speaker 2: when you were making so much money.

1043
00:45:54,521 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: I have a good family, man, They helped me out.

1044
00:45:57,601 --> 00:46:00,521
Speaker 3: What I mean to help me out is like obviously,

1045
00:46:00,561 --> 00:46:03,201
Speaker 3: like I have assets of some sort whatever, and I

1046
00:46:03,241 --> 00:46:05,641
Speaker 3: have some sort of income to get me by. My

1047
00:46:05,721 --> 00:46:09,001
Speaker 3: main focus is in a new business. Of course, I

1048
00:46:09,001 --> 00:46:11,161
Speaker 3: don't know, like I could always go there if I

1049
00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:13,561
Speaker 3: wanted to. You know, I can't be bothered.

1050
00:46:14,681 --> 00:46:15,121
Speaker 4: I can't be.

1051
00:46:15,121 --> 00:46:16,961
Speaker 1: Bothered with it anymore. Like I just want to.

1052
00:46:17,121 --> 00:46:19,201
Speaker 3: I want a job that I can like tour around

1053
00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:21,401
Speaker 3: the world again, and I went and tour it in

1054
00:46:21,441 --> 00:46:23,281
Speaker 3: Melbourne a few years ago before I went to jail,

1055
00:46:23,401 --> 00:46:26,801
Speaker 3: and it was dead like that. That whole industry has died.

1056
00:46:27,321 --> 00:46:29,561
Speaker 3: Every second person out there is an escort. It's not

1057
00:46:29,641 --> 00:46:33,841
Speaker 3: taboo anymore. Have it been an escort back then? Like you,

1058
00:46:34,081 --> 00:46:36,001
Speaker 3: there was a bit of class behind it. There was

1059
00:46:36,041 --> 00:46:38,201
Speaker 3: a bit of you know, you knew how to act

1060
00:46:38,201 --> 00:46:40,481
Speaker 3: in front of someone, you know, it was there was

1061
00:46:40,521 --> 00:46:44,681
Speaker 3: a technique of the business, like an etiquette done if

1062
00:46:44,721 --> 00:46:45,681
Speaker 3: that exists anymore.

1063
00:46:45,961 --> 00:46:48,361
Speaker 2: But if you were making for if you could make

1064
00:46:48,921 --> 00:46:53,041
Speaker 2: on a good year four hundred k stripping, surely you

1065
00:46:53,041 --> 00:46:55,081
Speaker 2: could make fucking a lot triple that money.

1066
00:46:55,961 --> 00:46:57,641
Speaker 1: And you were doing it alone. You were doing alone.

1067
00:46:57,801 --> 00:47:01,921
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had no business manager, no way. Why

1068
00:47:01,961 --> 00:47:03,641
Speaker 3: that's so silly. Why would I let someone take fifty

1069
00:47:03,641 --> 00:47:05,521
Speaker 3: percent more money? All I have to do this nswer

1070
00:47:05,601 --> 00:47:06,641
Speaker 3: my own phone and it's not that hard.

1071
00:47:07,281 --> 00:47:09,521
Speaker 1: So what what? Okay? So what was the prices that

1072
00:47:09,561 --> 00:47:12,521
Speaker 1: you'd be charging for a clientele back then?

1073
00:47:12,681 --> 00:47:14,881
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be charging in a thousand bucks an hour

1074
00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:19,361
Speaker 3: to six hundred bucks an hour, thousand bucks an hour, yeah, yeah,

1075
00:47:19,401 --> 00:47:23,521
Speaker 3: And that's just normal. It's just like to me, it's

1076
00:47:23,521 --> 00:47:26,721
Speaker 3: the same thing. People are like, Oh, it's it's the

1077
00:47:26,761 --> 00:47:29,721
Speaker 3: pawns I experienced or the this experience. I'm like, man,

1078
00:47:30,441 --> 00:47:33,001
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, just going with the person you

1079
00:47:33,041 --> 00:47:34,761
Speaker 3: are and do what you're good at to win. Don't

1080
00:47:34,761 --> 00:47:36,441
Speaker 3: try to change up whatever. You know what I mean,

1081
00:47:36,481 --> 00:47:39,121
Speaker 3: don't try to be something you're not. You know, it's

1082
00:47:39,281 --> 00:47:42,681
Speaker 3: yeah to Taylor Gun's experience, Like then, like it's.

1083
00:47:43,481 --> 00:47:47,201
Speaker 1: What do you want to say? Oh my, don't forget you.

1084
00:47:47,321 --> 00:47:49,761
Speaker 1: I'm forty this year, I'm forty next month. Like you know,

1085
00:47:49,841 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: how long is this going to go for? Yeah?

1086
00:47:51,561 --> 00:47:53,561
Speaker 2: No, But I said the same thing about people who

1087
00:47:53,561 --> 00:47:55,641
Speaker 2: are still in the industry that I was doing, Like

1088
00:47:55,801 --> 00:47:57,561
Speaker 2: they're in the fifties and I think we make I

1089
00:47:57,561 --> 00:47:59,561
Speaker 2: think you should hang up people sucking whatever you coat

1090
00:47:59,561 --> 00:48:00,561
Speaker 2: now or whatever you get out of me.

1091
00:48:01,201 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: You can do what I did quietly, not out there,

1092
00:48:05,121 --> 00:48:06,881
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You can do it like if

1093
00:48:06,881 --> 00:48:09,121
Speaker 3: you need to hear and there whatever, But you don't

1094
00:48:09,121 --> 00:48:12,361
Speaker 3: want to get mixed up with it forever, because if

1095
00:48:12,361 --> 00:48:16,041
Speaker 3: you don't have any need to survive, you know, a

1096
00:48:16,081 --> 00:48:17,161
Speaker 3: lot of them are party bookings.

1097
00:48:17,161 --> 00:48:20,361
Speaker 1: That's where the money is. Think about it. Fuck that.

1098
00:48:21,241 --> 00:48:24,601
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, being in a booking with someone that

1099
00:48:24,841 --> 00:48:27,201
Speaker 3: can't swallow it, you know what I mean, like leeds

1100
00:48:27,241 --> 00:48:30,081
Speaker 3: Water this, you know, you can't get it fucking working,

1101
00:48:30,161 --> 00:48:31,521
Speaker 3: and now it's my fault.

1102
00:48:31,281 --> 00:48:31,441
Speaker 2: You know.

1103
00:48:32,641 --> 00:48:32,841
Speaker 1: Nah?

1104
00:48:34,281 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: Nah?

1105
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:38,841
Speaker 1: How do There's a question I want to ask.

1106
00:48:39,321 --> 00:48:42,401
Speaker 2: I don't think of any kind of person who's been

1107
00:48:42,401 --> 00:48:44,441
Speaker 2: in the industry before, but how do you switch off

1108
00:48:45,441 --> 00:48:49,241
Speaker 2: from being a worker to being a girlfriend or a wife?

1109
00:48:49,681 --> 00:48:52,161
Speaker 1: How do you switch off from doing that? Oh?

1110
00:48:52,201 --> 00:48:57,281
Speaker 3: It's very different, it's very very different. This feelings involved.

1111
00:48:57,921 --> 00:49:00,441
Speaker 2: But surely, like I've asked some girls who have been

1112
00:49:00,481 --> 00:49:02,241
Speaker 2: in the industry and they get feelings for some of

1113
00:49:02,241 --> 00:49:03,201
Speaker 2: their clients.

1114
00:49:03,001 --> 00:49:10,361
Speaker 1: Well, that they're stupid while you're on your income is silly.

1115
00:49:11,321 --> 00:49:13,601
Speaker 1: But how would you switch off? How would you do that?

1116
00:49:14,561 --> 00:49:15,521
Speaker 1: No strings attached?

1117
00:49:16,521 --> 00:49:19,401
Speaker 3: You were there to give a service and get paid

1118
00:49:19,481 --> 00:49:21,721
Speaker 3: and you can both have a good time at that

1119
00:49:21,801 --> 00:49:25,041
Speaker 3: moment and leave it at that. Very different to what

1120
00:49:25,081 --> 00:49:27,681
Speaker 3: I would have at home with someone. You know, it'd

1121
00:49:27,681 --> 00:49:30,641
Speaker 3: be personal and in my personal business and I personally

1122
00:49:30,761 --> 00:49:33,241
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean? You know you're the

1123
00:49:33,321 --> 00:49:34,881
Speaker 3: clients as well, what do you like? It's like, what

1124
00:49:34,921 --> 00:49:35,321
Speaker 3: do you like?

1125
00:49:35,361 --> 00:49:39,441
Speaker 1: Man? You're not here to pay me. You tell me,

1126
00:49:39,521 --> 00:49:42,801
Speaker 1: you know, like, what do you want? Because at the end,

1127
00:49:42,801 --> 00:49:44,481
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to tell me what you want, you know.

1128
00:49:47,521 --> 00:49:49,041
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've always wanted that.

1129
00:49:49,521 --> 00:49:54,721
Speaker 3: No, So for me personally, no, it's not the same thing. No,

1130
00:49:55,081 --> 00:49:58,041
Speaker 3: it's different. It's very different. But it is hard to

1131
00:49:58,041 --> 00:50:00,121
Speaker 3: hold a relationship in that scene. The only way you

1132
00:50:00,121 --> 00:50:03,801
Speaker 3: can hold a relationship in that business is basically if

1133
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:06,001
Speaker 3: someone's got to be extremely on to earth and get it,

1134
00:50:06,121 --> 00:50:09,081
Speaker 3: which is no one right, or they've got to be

1135
00:50:09,201 --> 00:50:11,401
Speaker 3: a drug dealer because it comes hand in hand with

1136
00:50:11,481 --> 00:50:13,281
Speaker 3: that lifestyle and that life style, you know what I mean,

1137
00:50:14,001 --> 00:50:16,401
Speaker 3: that's the only way. Are you in a leaship them?

1138
00:50:16,561 --> 00:50:20,201
Speaker 3: No way, No, No, I'm living my best life. I

1139
00:50:20,201 --> 00:50:23,201
Speaker 3: think for me, a big problem with my downhills our relationships.

1140
00:50:23,361 --> 00:50:27,281
Speaker 3: It's maybe my fault would be but yeah, I've always

1141
00:50:27,281 --> 00:50:29,561
Speaker 3: been back to back in relationships in my life.

1142
00:50:29,601 --> 00:50:33,761
Speaker 1: So the last three years I'm on my own and

1143
00:50:33,801 --> 00:50:36,881
Speaker 1: it's been good. What's your biggest regret?

1144
00:50:38,521 --> 00:50:45,521
Speaker 3: Ah, my biggest regret. I have many regrets, and I

1145
00:50:45,601 --> 00:50:48,681
Speaker 3: don't regret any of them in a way. I guess

1146
00:50:48,801 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: I wish I did better with the Taylor dun thing.

1147
00:50:51,641 --> 00:50:54,561
Speaker 3: I wish I didn't get too mixed up. I'm not

1148
00:50:54,601 --> 00:50:56,801
Speaker 3: gonna say the rack and all that, but the ice,

1149
00:50:57,321 --> 00:51:00,721
Speaker 3: the real scummy side of it, because I've could have

1150
00:51:00,761 --> 00:51:04,161
Speaker 3: done better. They wanted to do a show on me,

1151
00:51:04,241 --> 00:51:07,121
Speaker 3: you know know, like the Kardashians coming. They wanted to

1152
00:51:07,281 --> 00:51:10,801
Speaker 3: showing me and I stuffed it over drugs. MMA Australia

1153
00:51:10,801 --> 00:51:14,121
Speaker 3: Will tried to sign me up. I stuffed it over drugs.

1154
00:51:14,761 --> 00:51:17,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you could go back and change anything, what

1155
00:51:17,561 --> 00:51:18,361
Speaker 2: would you change.

1156
00:51:18,641 --> 00:51:21,201
Speaker 1: It all over again? But better do it all over again?

1157
00:51:21,241 --> 00:51:26,521
Speaker 1: But better? Yeah? Really yeah, I would not not not

1158
00:51:26,681 --> 00:51:30,241
Speaker 1: the crime so much and the but just more than

1159
00:51:30,321 --> 00:51:37,161
Speaker 1: Taylor the tailor before. Yeah, I would like much better. Trinity.

1160
00:51:37,401 --> 00:51:40,841
Speaker 3: She doesn't go by that anymore, guys, But Trinity, she

1161
00:51:41,001 --> 00:51:44,721
Speaker 3: was always the best business woman. I knew like she

1162
00:51:44,921 --> 00:51:48,001
Speaker 3: was great. Even now she's she's she's great. Like she

1163
00:51:48,081 --> 00:51:51,161
Speaker 3: made it to Dubai, she's bought houses, she's done. She

1164
00:51:51,361 --> 00:51:54,001
Speaker 3: was great. Man Like, I look up to that woman.

1165
00:51:54,121 --> 00:51:55,961
Speaker 1: Because she went into the gym and she bought at

1166
00:51:55,961 --> 00:51:56,681
Speaker 1: gym or something like that.

1167
00:51:57,001 --> 00:52:00,441
Speaker 3: She did gym. She owned clubs, dancing clubs. She opened

1168
00:52:00,601 --> 00:52:03,721
Speaker 3: right now, I don't know how to explain it. She's

1169
00:52:03,801 --> 00:52:07,681
Speaker 3: helping women in their forty reclaim themselves, you know what

1170
00:52:07,681 --> 00:52:12,281
Speaker 3: I mean. And she's she's looking at going overseas. She's

1171
00:52:12,321 --> 00:52:17,081
Speaker 3: a machine. She's always been great. Yeah, I look up

1172
00:52:17,081 --> 00:52:19,401
Speaker 3: to her when it comes to that stuff. That was

1173
00:52:19,441 --> 00:52:21,761
Speaker 3: my downfall, Like I couldn't be like her, you know,

1174
00:52:22,401 --> 00:52:25,681
Speaker 3: I was too busy having a good time. She had boundaries.

1175
00:52:26,841 --> 00:52:28,841
Speaker 3: And like I said that, I regret a lot of things,

1176
00:52:28,881 --> 00:52:30,721
Speaker 3: but I have no regrets at the same time, Like

1177
00:52:32,281 --> 00:52:34,841
Speaker 3: it's maybe who I am today. I have some really

1178
00:52:34,921 --> 00:52:37,641
Speaker 3: good times. Now, I met some really cool people. You know.

1179
00:52:37,681 --> 00:52:40,721
Speaker 3: Maybe they're not the best now, you know, but I

1180
00:52:40,761 --> 00:52:44,601
Speaker 3: have many memories, many good memories. I'm not ashamed of

1181
00:52:44,721 --> 00:52:48,401
Speaker 3: who I was or anything like that. I made tailor

1182
00:52:48,441 --> 00:52:52,201
Speaker 3: guns out of nothing, you know, and she did well.

1183
00:52:52,761 --> 00:52:54,881
Speaker 1: She did good. I'll give her that much.

1184
00:52:55,041 --> 00:52:56,921
Speaker 2: If you could just describe yourself in one word or

1185
00:52:56,921 --> 00:53:01,641
Speaker 2: two words.

1186
00:53:01,561 --> 00:53:07,401
Speaker 3: That's crazy, just and happy. I've alway been a happy person. Yeah,

1187
00:53:07,761 --> 00:53:10,921
Speaker 3: I've always been a very happy person. Like you know,

1188
00:53:11,121 --> 00:53:15,081
Speaker 3: I love people, Yeah, I do. I only wish the

1189
00:53:15,121 --> 00:53:18,401
Speaker 3: best for everyone out there, anyone that's been in my position,

1190
00:53:18,561 --> 00:53:22,881
Speaker 3: anyone that's I'm struggling with addiction. It's doable. You just

1191
00:53:22,881 --> 00:53:25,681
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta get rid of everything. But it's doable,

1192
00:53:26,201 --> 00:53:30,281
Speaker 3: and life does get better. Yeah, my biggest addiction that

1193
00:53:30,361 --> 00:53:32,721
Speaker 3: was a gym. I can't get away from that. I'm

1194
00:53:32,721 --> 00:53:33,801
Speaker 3: not like three hours a day.

1195
00:53:33,881 --> 00:53:34,641
Speaker 1: It's fucked.

1196
00:53:36,161 --> 00:53:39,321
Speaker 3: I've just finished my first bulk like I'm loving it.

1197
00:53:40,521 --> 00:53:42,601
Speaker 1: I've putting on Wait and I look.

1198
00:53:42,441 --> 00:53:44,681
Speaker 3: In the mirror and I know I've chucked in killos on,

1199
00:53:44,801 --> 00:53:47,201
Speaker 3: but I don't care because I'm bulking.

1200
00:53:48,721 --> 00:53:52,961
Speaker 1: You know, it's it becomes a lifestyle. It's my new

1201
00:53:52,961 --> 00:53:55,881
Speaker 1: heroin for sure. Well, I to thank you for coming

1202
00:53:55,921 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: on to thank you so much for having me. Yeah,

1203
00:54:03,041 --> 00:54:05,041
Speaker 1: it's been good seeing you again. Thank you so much

1204
00:54:05,121 --> 00:54:06,681
Speaker 1: much for having me. I appreciate it honestly.

1205
00:54:07,441 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 3: And yeah, call me back anytime when my business does well,

1206
00:54:11,721 --> 00:54:12,961
Speaker 3: we can talk about what I really do.

1207
00:54:14,161 --> 00:54:28,601
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. M