Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming she.
Speaker 2: How do I put this? He isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing.
Speaker 3: Style boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours.
Speaker 2: He's in a trash bin.
Speaker 1: He's non recyclable catching her.
Speaker 2: I loved being loved. I love love.
Speaker 3: On today's special episode of Where's Your Head At, we
Speaker 3: will be discussing infertility and how it can impact your relationships.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Matt, I want to firstly start by saying that
Speaker 3: I am so proud of you for being so open
Speaker 3: and honest about this time topic. I know, as one
Speaker 3: of your closest friends, how hard this has been for you.
Speaker 3: We've been talking about potentially recording this episode now, yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty much since we started Where's your Head At? And
Speaker 3: you've kind of been back and forth. You know, it's
Speaker 3: a really big deal moving forward in your life from
Speaker 3: this moment on being this open and honest.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say as a friend. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of you.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks. Look, I thought long and hard about this
Speaker 2: topic and my situation that I'm in, and I thought, like,
Speaker 2: I want to be open and honest about it with people,
Speaker 2: because obviously I've gone through this, and I don't know
Speaker 2: anyone that goes through this, and I feel like if
Speaker 2: other people can relate to me and hear this, that
Speaker 2: it might help them. And I encourage them to open
Speaker 2: up and message me if they are going through this,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I can relate to them and I can
Speaker 2: help them out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think when you first realized you didn't really
Speaker 3: have a role model to look up to, anyone who
Speaker 3: you felt like you could relate to, and you felt
Speaker 3: pretty alone, right.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand it completely obviously, I just yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't know who to talk to about it. Obviously I
Speaker 2: spoke to family, but like, what can they say. They
Speaker 2: don't know, they haven't.
Speaker 1: Been through it, and they can't relate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can relate, So they just give you like, oh,
Speaker 2: like you know this is this is the way it is,
Speaker 2: this and that. But yeah, I mean it's yeah, I've
Speaker 2: come to terms with it now, and i'd like to talk.
Speaker 3: About it, So let's get the elephant in the room
Speaker 3: out of the way.
Speaker 2: You are, Yeah, so I am infertile, but I will
Speaker 2: go into more detail about that as we go on,
Speaker 2: and my situation and what it means for me going forward.
Speaker 3: Okay, so how did this all come about? Because obviously
Speaker 3: you're super young. You're twenty six, right, I feel like
Speaker 3: people realize that they're infertile when they're trying to have
Speaker 3: kids or how did you?
Speaker 1: How did you figure this out?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So, I was, by no means trying to have kids.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was not.
Speaker 2: Trying with anyone to have kids. But my ex Kira,
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, she kept saying weird stuff
Speaker 2: about the consistency of my sperm and my ejaculation. She
Speaker 2: kept saying, it's weird, and like eventually she was like,
Speaker 2: it's like the same consistency as a guy I used
Speaker 2: to sleep with who had a phaseptomy. And I was like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, and she's like, you should probably get that
Speaker 2: looked at. That doesn't look right. When I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, I've never had this. I've
Speaker 2: slept with multiple women. I've never had anyone tell me this.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just Kira being here. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll bring it up with my mom. So I went
Speaker 2: back to my mum's one time and I said, look,
Speaker 2: this is what because obviously I have an open relationship
Speaker 2: with my mom, I'm like, this is what Kira said
Speaker 2: to me. And my mom was like, look, when you
Speaker 2: were born, as you know, you had undecended testicles, which
Speaker 2: means that my testicles were in my stomach and they
Speaker 2: hadn't dropped to my ball sack, right. So she said,
Speaker 2: they got the surgery as the doctor and the surgeon
Speaker 2: recommended when I was a year old, and they did
Speaker 2: the surgery as soon as possible, and they said around
Speaker 2: this age give or take, it depends if I'm trying
Speaker 2: for kids, I should do a sperm count. So I said, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying for kids. And I was like, what
Speaker 2: have I got to lose? So I went into the GP.
Speaker 2: I explained the situation to him. He gave me all
Speaker 2: like the right forms, blood test, the thing, the cut,
Speaker 2: the car Yeah, the cut which came with like a
Speaker 2: an a four piece of paper of like everything I
Speaker 2: had to do.
Speaker 3: I thut, you're going to Hay like some pornothing.
Speaker 2: He's completely not like that at all. It's actually not
Speaker 2: like that. I expected to go into a room.
Speaker 3: And they like like, where's my magazine, Yeah, where's my thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So actually I'll get into that as well. But the
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me was I cannot ejaculate
Speaker 2: for forty eight hours, which anyone that knows me knows
Speaker 2: I'm going morning, lunch, breakfast.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyone that knows me, anyone that's day to me knows that. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty heavy honesty. So that was the biggest obstacle there,
Speaker 2: which became a massive struggle. Like I was like, alright,
Speaker 2: so where's forty eight hours from now? That's Wednesday morning.
Speaker 2: I'm all right, so I can't have sex from now?
Speaker 2: Obviously you're dating someone living with them. It was a struggle.
Speaker 2: So we got there after a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And like I thought, I thought, you go into a room,
Speaker 2: you go there to doctors the hospital, you watch some porn,
Speaker 2: and you give it to them when you walk out.
Speaker 2: It's not like that at all. You have to do
Speaker 2: it wherever you are, and then you have to like
Speaker 2: drive it to the doctors. The test lab within forty
Speaker 2: five minutes.
Speaker 3: So you basically ejaculate it home so you can, you know,
Speaker 3: get off how of you like, and then you put
Speaker 3: it into a car.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you aim it for the carp So the
Speaker 2: first time I did it and I had to go
Speaker 2: to work, so Kira drove it to the local hospital.
Speaker 2: I think there's only three in Melbourne that took it.
Speaker 2: I think there's one in Frankston fitzro So she drove
Speaker 2: it there. It got there, it was all good. I
Speaker 2: found out a couple of weeks later. It was an
Speaker 2: over the phone call and the doctor called me and he.
Speaker 3: Was like, before you say this, I just want to
Speaker 3: ask you, what was your gut feeling before you got
Speaker 3: the results.
Speaker 2: I thought it would come back okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Just like I'm just doing this just to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the doctor recommended what Kira had said. I didn't,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I was just like, there's no chance.
Speaker 2: I'm not that guy. So the doctor called me and
Speaker 2: he was like to me, look, Matt, I was going
Speaker 2: to call you in, but like, I'll do it over
Speaker 2: the phone. You have no sperm. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was like, I've got low sperm and He's like, no, Matthew,
Speaker 2: You've got no sperm. And I was like, what does
Speaker 2: that mean? And he goes, look, there's a multiple things
Speaker 2: that this could mean. I think you should do another test.
Speaker 2: I think that we should go into this more in depth.
Speaker 2: You should say specialists, all this sort of stuff. So
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'm not gonna lie. I procrastinated on
Speaker 2: it for a bit. I said, all right, that's one test.
Speaker 2: It could be a dud load, it could be anything.
Speaker 2: I procrastinated on it.
Speaker 1: So you're in denial a bit at the stuff when
Speaker 1: you first found out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, there's no way. I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe it was a dud test. Maybe I didn't wait
Speaker 2: forty eight.
Speaker 1: Hours, had a big weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe here I didn't go straight there. She took
Speaker 2: a little scenic rout, all this sort of stuff, like yes,
Speaker 2: so many variables. I just thought, this isn't it. So
Speaker 2: I procrastinated for a bit and then I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll have to get the retest. So I went back
Speaker 2: to the GP. I got another thing. I explained the situation.
Speaker 2: I went I did it again, same result, no sperm.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, third time, what is going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, what's going on? So try a third time,
Speaker 2: exact same result. So I was like, Okay, something's off.
Speaker 3: And how did you feel after the third test? Knowing that, wow,
Speaker 3: like I could be infertile here.
Speaker 2: So I remember distinctly coming back to my mum's. I
Speaker 2: remember I was standing in my closet and I was
Speaker 2: grabbing shirts to go back to Kira's at the time,
Speaker 2: and I was like packing my bag and she was like,
Speaker 2: how do you feel? And I'm like, I'm like I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm like, it is what it is. And
Speaker 2: she was like she likes he hated crying, and I
Speaker 2: was like standing there and she's like, I'm sorry, and
Speaker 2: she was apologizing to me, and she's like, we did
Speaker 2: what we could. And I was like, I said, I'm
Speaker 2: not sad for me, because I know I'm at least
Speaker 2: ten to eight years off having like children, But I
Speaker 2: said and I started crying, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: sad for Matt in like ten years from now, who
Speaker 2: is going to like, you know, want to have kids
Speaker 2: with the girl that he loves at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess that's when I started crying in
Speaker 2: the hallway to my mum, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that was a bit when I realized, yeah, fuck,
Speaker 2: this is real. My dad as well, when I told him,
Speaker 2: he had the exact same reaction. He just defended there
Speaker 2: like them. He's like, look, we got you in as
Speaker 2: soon as we could. And I'm like, I'm not blaming anyone.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not no one's fault. It is like
Speaker 2: what's been They've chosen for me, I guess my path.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like seeing your mom and dad break down obviously,
Speaker 3: is that moment where it just makes it all really
Speaker 3: real and you're like, fus.
Speaker 1: Yeah this is this could be a problem for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. And then it was more or less
Speaker 2: like my sisters as well started getting and even like
Speaker 2: I wasn't really like thinking it was real, so like
Speaker 2: it is what it is. And then like my sister's
Speaker 2: like Lara, my sister, Lara, she's not the sort of
Speaker 2: person that Liary. She's out like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: she's pretty cold. You've met her. She called me and
Speaker 2: I was like, how are you going? Blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and she she baked me my favorite cake and I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, what I mean, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so I guess like it's actually
Speaker 2: a thing. Yeah, everyone was like taking it a lot
Speaker 2: more serious than I was. So I eventually we booked
Speaker 2: into the specialist and I brought my old man with
Speaker 2: me for moral support and just because I knew there
Speaker 2: was gonna be a lot of information, so I wanted
Speaker 2: someone else there to like so in case I miss something. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 2: at dinner here I had brought up with my old man,
Speaker 2: she'd said, if matt sperm isn't, if there's got no sperm,
Speaker 2: is it okay if we take some of yours else,
Speaker 2: which means that my son would be my brother.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I mean, as you know.
Speaker 2: It'd be the closest thing to me. So that is
Speaker 2: an option. But I'll talk more about that. So I
Speaker 2: brought Daddy in and we sat down with the specialist
Speaker 2: and he gave me more assurance on the fact that
Speaker 2: maybe they're not there. So there was three options. There
Speaker 2: was when I had the original surgery, the tubes haven't
Speaker 2: been connected properly and there's something a blockage or something
Speaker 2: going on between them. So he said, in real terms,
Speaker 2: you've had a phasepto me when you were born, and
Speaker 2: then when you want kids, You're just going to reverse
Speaker 2: the septomy. And I'm like, well, that's laughing. I mean
Speaker 2: I can live the next.
Speaker 4: Couples country reception or what No, yeah exactly, And then
Speaker 4: so he said that, and then the other option was
Speaker 4: straight up just duds.
Speaker 2: I'm unlucky. The third option was they're not swimmers that
Speaker 2: I would have to get surgery and they would have to.
Speaker 2: So either I get surgery now they freeze them, or
Speaker 2: I get surgery when I want I and then with
Speaker 2: the girl, which has a better chance.
Speaker 3: So explain the third option to us, because I understand
Speaker 3: the first two. So you either reversive potential visectomy. The
Speaker 3: second option is is that you're just unlucky and you
Speaker 3: can't have kids. And then the third option is is
Speaker 3: that you go in through surgery, they open up your
Speaker 3: my testicles, your testicles.
Speaker 2: And they will take a sperm out.
Speaker 1: Right, so they retrieved them from the area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and because they're obviously not they might be just
Speaker 2: not swimmers, not strong swimmers, and then they will freeze them. Okay,
Speaker 2: but they said if you do that, there's a less
Speaker 2: chance of IVF working. Also, there could be that they're
Speaker 2: duds and I've gone into that surgery and then I
Speaker 2: know one hundred percent that I'm for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life. Or I wait till I have a wife
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to have kids and I get that
Speaker 2: surgery then where there's more chance of IVF working. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't know whether they're going to cut in
Speaker 2: and find out.
Speaker 3: So basically, if you're wanting to have kids, the best
Speaker 3: option for you is to go in with your wife.
Speaker 3: They remove the sperm directly from your testicles and directly
Speaker 3: insert it via IVF.
Speaker 2: Yes, but the problem is there might not be any there.
Speaker 2: There might not be So I've gone in with this
Speaker 2: thing with my wife and then turns out that it's
Speaker 2: a waste of time, a waste of money, and we're
Speaker 2: back at square one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And have you, mentally, I guess, prepared yourself for
Speaker 3: that worst case scenario or are you trying to remain
Speaker 3: more positive?
Speaker 2: I'd say, to the best of my ability, I have. Obviously,
Speaker 2: when that news would hear, there's no warning you for that.
Speaker 2: And I mean there is obviously worse news out there
Speaker 2: that you could get. But in that time, when you're
Speaker 2: with the one you love and you want to have children.
Speaker 2: It could be pretty detrimental. Like I said, there's worse
Speaker 2: stuff that could happen. But still it's pretty big news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to find it out, Matt, I couldn't even imagine.
Speaker 3: So question, how did Kira, who was your girlfriend at
Speaker 3: the time, take this news.
Speaker 2: I think she was trying to play it off like
Speaker 2: it wasn't a big deal. But I think we both
Speaker 2: know Kira. I think she ideally wants to have children.
Speaker 2: I think that is her goal, is to have children
Speaker 2: with someone. She said it wasn't a deal breaker, but
Speaker 2: I mean, looking back at our relationship, there were so
Speaker 2: much more problems than just yea, this one.
Speaker 4: Thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, let's get through all these problems before
Speaker 2: we discuss that route. I don't She just said it
Speaker 2: wasn't a deal breaker, and it was what it was,
Speaker 2: what any normal girl would say.
Speaker 3: Okay, Matt, so you've recently discovered that you're infertile. When
Speaker 3: did you tell your current partner, Magical Day Girl.
Speaker 2: Quite early into us seeing each other.
Speaker 1: How early.
Speaker 2: It would have only been a couple of weeks, if
Speaker 2: not maybe ten days.
Speaker 1: And what was her reaction when she found out?
Speaker 2: I think her literal words were, that's not a deal breaker.
Speaker 2: It's like twenty twenty one. There's ways around it. Cute, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, how would you take it when someone tells
Speaker 2: you that, Like girl I was seeing before, probably the
Speaker 2: same reaction. She said, the.
Speaker 3: Same thing, yeah, I mean, And the thing is is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like people are renowned for having kids, but it's the
Speaker 3: twenty first century. You know, women are very career driven.
Speaker 3: A lot of people who're steering away from kids and
Speaker 3: they want to have them later in life or they're
Speaker 3: going down different routes. Some people have kids without even
Speaker 3: having a partner these days. Like there's so many different avenues.
Speaker 3: And I guess if you are with someone who tells
Speaker 3: you they're infertile, like yeah, like it's hard.
Speaker 1: To hear, but like there are so many different avenues.
Speaker 2: As you said, Well, that is why I brought it
Speaker 2: up with her. I'm under the impression that if you're
Speaker 2: getting serious with someone or like you're starting to see someone,
Speaker 2: I'm not a liar. I'm not going to hide anything.
Speaker 2: So I brought it up quite early in the piece
Speaker 2: because she was expressing that she wants kids, and I
Speaker 2: explained the situation to her, and I said, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not going to be as easy as well if you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, like it's hard news to hear if she's
Speaker 3: talking about kids. But I really feel like you've gone
Speaker 3: about it the right way and the most respectful way.
Speaker 1: You've been really upfront and honest.
Speaker 3: Like imagine if you were with someone for like a
Speaker 3: year and then you're like, shit, like when do I
Speaker 3: say it?
Speaker 2: And how would you react if you were a girl
Speaker 2: and the other way around and they've been keeping it
Speaker 2: from you from that long. Yeah, like you feel like
Speaker 2: that's a bit shady.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel like it was like something that needed
Speaker 3: to be shit, she.
Speaker 2: Was talking about like kids, how what her kids' names,
Speaker 2: was not in a weird way or anything. I was
Speaker 2: just in conversation and we will do it, And I
Speaker 2: was like, well, look like fuck, like I can't. I
Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable unless I explain to you where I'm at. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why I was uncomfortable with doing this episode was because
Speaker 2: it's now for people out there and they'll hear it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know out there yet. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly now if they've listened to it or when to
Speaker 2: bring it up.
Speaker 1: But it is what it is, So you just mean
Speaker 1: moving forward.
Speaker 3: If you were to start dating again, which hopefully you're not,
Speaker 3: the magical date girl could be the one we think,
Speaker 3: we hope if you were to start dating again, that's
Speaker 3: out there for people.
Speaker 2: That's when we were first talking about this episode. I
Speaker 2: was single and I was worried about expressing this. Obviously,
Speaker 2: now that some things that got serious with her, I
Speaker 2: feel like I've told her I can come on here
Speaker 2: and express it. Notably when I did tell I caught
Speaker 2: up with my ex a couple of months ago. Laura
Speaker 2: and I were talking about how she doesn't want kids
Speaker 2: and how she do want kids, and I was like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's really career driven like you said women are. And
Speaker 2: I said to her, well, I was the perfect guy
Speaker 2: for that. Then she was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: And I said, I explained to her my situation and everything,
Speaker 2: and I will never forget her reaction. She actually, like
Speaker 2: we were walking out from dinner and she actually stopped
Speaker 2: and started laughing, like foot laying downside laughing, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I fucking knew it. Yeah, She's like I knew it.
Speaker 2: I told my mum I knew it, and I was
Speaker 2: like what, And she's like, there is no way we
Speaker 2: did what we did for so long and there was
Speaker 2: no Charlie juniors running around And I was like what,
Speaker 2: And she's like I knew it. She's like the amount
Speaker 2: of times I skipped and missed stuff and we just
Speaker 2: nothing came of it. She's like, there was no way
Speaker 2: you weren't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're you haven't been the safest with sex,
Speaker 3: which we definitely don't condone, but I mean, I feel
Speaker 3: like there should definitely have been a few mats running
Speaker 3: around by now.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely explains why there isn't a couple of Italian
Speaker 2: and British mats knocking on my door. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So I just want to give people a couple of
Speaker 2: tips on how to deal with this if they are
Speaker 2: going through this scenario the same as me, and stuff
Speaker 2: that have helped me as well deal with it. Obviously,
Speaker 2: your mental health comes first, so put yourself first, practice
Speaker 2: self care, come to some sort of acceptance of what's happened,
Speaker 2: and then go from there. I feel talk to others
Speaker 2: and speak to a trusted cancelor. I feel that I
Speaker 2: do that a lot. I speak, I lean on you,
Speaker 2: I lean on my mom. I lean on everyone for
Speaker 2: advice on how to deal with stuff. So if you
Speaker 2: don't have people around you that you can trust and
Speaker 2: you feel like you can get advice from, seek professional advice.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what they're there for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean if you have a friend going
Speaker 3: through something like this, I think it's really important to
Speaker 3: know that you don't have to come up with solutions
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 1: You're not a doctor.
Speaker 3: You just have to be kind and there to listen,
Speaker 3: and you know, just check in on your friends and
Speaker 3: make sure they're doing okay because it's obviously really a
Speaker 3: hard thing to go through.
Speaker 2: And this one is the one with acceptance as well.
Speaker 2: Try not to blame yourself or others. I never blamed myself,
Speaker 2: I never blamed my parents for the scenario that has happened.
Speaker 2: No one's fault, It isn't it's noone's fault. This is
Speaker 2: just where all the path that was for me, and
Speaker 2: which brings me to my next point again, which is
Speaker 2: acknowledge your feelings, Understand the way you feel about it,
Speaker 2: and then you can have some sort of acceptance enclosure
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: It's okay to go from happy to sad to angry,
Speaker 3: just feel all the emotions and really accept how you're feeling.
Speaker 2: Another one is understand your options like I did. I
Speaker 2: did my research. I went to three different specialists. I
Speaker 2: brought my dad with me so he could help me.
Speaker 2: He could listen and he could give me the advice
Speaker 2: and the options that I have. And then from there
Speaker 2: you can establish a game plan on what you want
Speaker 2: to do and how you want to tackle this situation.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And last, but not least, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: big on this one, and you could probably tell is
Speaker 2: be optimistic. Yeah, there's so much out there. You never
Speaker 2: know what could happen. And I've heard stories because I've
Speaker 2: spoken to different people. I've heard stories of people that
Speaker 2: were trying for IVF and they literally got pregnant, like
Speaker 2: right before they tried for IVF, they had everything booked
Speaker 2: in and just fate ran its course. And yeah, so
Speaker 2: there's how much that could happen. You've got to be optimistic.
Speaker 1: So I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: If the girl you're seeing at the moment was to
Speaker 3: get pregnant, how would that situation unfold?
Speaker 2: Okay, so first of all, I would ask who the
Speaker 2: fuck is he you're sleeping with? Who is you're cheating
Speaker 2: on me with no Obviously she's not cheating, so if
Speaker 2: it was mine. I can't tell a woman what to
Speaker 2: do with her body. I can't be like the guy
Speaker 2: tells her what to do. But I would definitely encourage
Speaker 2: her on keeping that baby because it would almost be
Speaker 2: a miracle child, like he would be a miracle. I wanted,
Speaker 2: we've actually had that conversation really and I said, would
Speaker 2: call it sane, but that.
Speaker 1: Got shotted down real quick. And did she say that
Speaker 1: she would potentially keep it?
Speaker 2: She didn't say anything about that. That didn't come up.
Speaker 2: We sort of laughed laughed about and I said, like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck is he?
Speaker 3: Okay, Matt, did you know that one in nine Australian
Speaker 3: couples experience fertility problems There are many causes of infertility
Speaker 3: for about two in five couples who also have these
Speaker 3: infertility problems due to sperm.
Speaker 2: Well, that was one of the reasons. Like why I
Speaker 2: said before I wanted to jump on here was because
Speaker 2: it is more common than you think now. I remember
Speaker 2: seeing ads for it on TV and it was like,
Speaker 2: let's talk about it and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was like, it's probably a good time to
Speaker 2: jump on here and use my platform that we're lucky
Speaker 2: enough to have to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like we've had a lot of discussions about
Speaker 3: this where you just wanted to be kind of like
Speaker 3: a role model for people who maybe were going through
Speaker 3: that and just like a voice for them. And you know,
Speaker 3: your dms or messages are always open to people like
Speaker 3: you want to be there as a support and I
Speaker 3: really think that you're a great role model for it.
Speaker 3: You've handled this so well. I know that there are
Speaker 3: still opportunities for you to protect actually have kids, which
Speaker 3: we're hoping and praying for you that those things come
Speaker 3: to fruition.
Speaker 1: But you know, you are so brave.
Speaker 3: I know this has been so hard for you, And
Speaker 3: you know there's a stigma around infertility that we need
Speaker 3: to talk more about and have more of a conversation about.
Speaker 2: And that's what I wanted to break, was the stigma
Speaker 2: around it, Like there's no reason for a man to
Speaker 2: feel ashamed, Like it doesn't or a woman or a woman,
Speaker 2: But it doesn't make you feel any less of a human,
Speaker 2: any less of a man about it. Obviously, there's ways
Speaker 2: as IVF like medicine has come so far in like
Speaker 2: five years. Every year things are developing, Like who knows
Speaker 2: where it could be when I'm ready for kids, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. One of the specialists said that
Speaker 2: they can take a bit of my DNA and turn
Speaker 2: it into a sperm and like make my recoonnironation of
Speaker 2: my sperm. They're not far off doing that.
Speaker 1: That's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's all these opportunities out there, and I
Speaker 2: think that the stigma around it should definitely be broken,
Speaker 2: and if someone is suffering from it, they should be
Speaker 2: able to express themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm so proud of you for doing that, Matt.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on our show, I guess as
Speaker 3: our guest and really like allowing people to connect with
Speaker 3: you and hear your story. We really hope that this
Speaker 3: can help people and even if you're not suffering with
Speaker 3: infertility problems, just to be more aware of it, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you know someone that's going through it,
Speaker 2: you hear this, maybe send them that so they've got
Speaker 2: someone that can hear talk to you and they can
Speaker 2: someone that understands them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, Matt, it's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1: As I've said over this whole episode, I'm.
Speaker 3: So proud of you. Congratulations. You are the voice of
Speaker 3: this issue, and I really think that you're helping so
Speaker 3: many people out.
Speaker 2: Thanks. I appreciate it, and I'm happy that I jumped
Speaker 2: on here and actually addressed it. I was a bit
Speaker 2: anxious to about it. I have been, like we said,
Speaker 2: i'ming and a ring, but I'm happy that now I
Speaker 2: can tell my story and hopefully help others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, until next time, guys. Alright mm hm