1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: On scyls Ostrodia. This is the Winner Panalkey Show. 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Good evening, and welcome to the Rita Panekey Show. 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, Cory Bernardi slammed for defecting to One 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 3: Nation amid speculation Pauline Hansen may form her own coalition 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 3: with the Liberals and the Nationals. Dan While will cover 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: that and the day's other top headlines. Chris Bowen provides 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: a new update on snowy two point oh well, look 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: at that with Professor Ian Plimer. The Great John Heindereker 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: will have the latest from the US, including the fraud 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: scandal in Minnesota which is even worse than first recorded, 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: and more information about Andrew Mountin Batten Windsor's relationship with 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein Kinsey's Schofield. 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: We'll have more on that later in the hour. 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: And Lefty's Losing It features kids being brainwashed to hate 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: law enforcement and to hate the president. But First, former 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: Prime Minister John Howard has unleashed on former Liberal MP 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 3: Cory Bernardi for defecting to One Nation. Speaking to the Advertiser, 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: mister Howard said Bernardi was desperate for recognition and is 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: not somebody who wants to seriously contribute to policy. Speaking 20 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: about One Nation's recent success in the polls, mister Howard said, 21 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: I don't think One Nation is a serious political party. 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: It's a grievance vehicle. People are talking about going to 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: One Nation not because they're excited by the policy offerings, 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: but because they are disgruntled with the Liberal and National parties. Meanwhile, 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson clashed with Sky News host Chris Kenny last 26 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: night as she tore into the Coalition for its own 27 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: lack of policies. 28 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Have a listen. 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 4: Where are their policies? Where's Fay's policy on the immigration? 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: Where's the policy about zero you know, to get rid 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: of it, escalating cost of living, all these issues that 32 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: are concerning the Australian people. It goes on policies or. 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Where are your politicism? 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: I can't be They're all up on the website, Chris, 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: what all up on the website? 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 5: Don't have policies? 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: Joining me now is Deputy Executive director at the Institute 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 3: of Public Affairs Daniel Wild. Dan, what do you make 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: of John Howard's criticism of Cory Bernardi. I think it's 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: rather ill informed and harsh to say Bernardi is not 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: somebody who wants to seriously contribute to policy. After all, 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: Bernardi recognized early on that the Liberals were drifting away 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 3: from their base. He tried to start the Conservative Party, 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: didn't work out, but he recognized this trend before many others. 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 6: That's right a guy like both John Howard and Corey Bernardi, 46 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 6: so let them duke it out themselves. But certainly I 47 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 6: think it's a bit harsh to say that he doesn't 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 6: want to make a contribution. He has made a contribution 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 6: in the past, and he has been willing to engage 50 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 6: in debates where a lot of people weren't willing to 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 6: do that, so I think he needs to be respected 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 6: for that. I think John Howard's point about the policies 53 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 6: is half right and half wrong, and I think he's 54 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 6: a bit off the mark to say that one nation 55 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 6: is just a grievance party. What Australians looking for? You know, 56 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 6: one Nation's gone from ten to twenty five percent in 57 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 6: the poll, so that extra fifteen percent that have come 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 6: are different to the original ten percent. I agree the 59 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 6: original ten percent maybe were mostly there for grievance reasons, 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 6: which is totally fair enough, by the way, but you've 61 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 6: got a different kind of people now that are getting 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 6: behind one nation and they want to see change in 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 6: the system. They don't want to see one nation become 64 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 6: joined to the hip with Liberal and National parties, so 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 6: that one nation needs to be careful when they start 66 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 6: talking about coalition for me, because a lot of people say, no, 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 6: hang on a minute, the problem is the political establishment. 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 6: We want you to shake it up. 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: So but if there isn't a coalition, you're just fracturing 70 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: that center right vote and having labor remain in power 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: indefinitely because you need to organize those force somehow. 72 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: But we do have a preferential. 73 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: System and it kind of lends itself to forming coalitions 74 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: if you want to be elected, that is. 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 6: True, but a premature forming of a coalition will undermine 76 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 6: the change we need in this country, and we saw 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 6: that when the Liberal and National Party's got to back 78 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 6: together the first time. I warned against it, and I 79 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 6: understand people who said, you can't get into government unless 80 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 6: you're in coalition. That's true, but you're not going to 81 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 6: get into government unless you know what you stand for, 82 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 6: and you've got to figure that out first. So they 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 6: have to get the fundamentals right. I also think one 84 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 6: nation has an opportunity to make a bigger play for 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 6: lower house seats, not just the Senate. I think a 86 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 6: lot of Australians are ambitious for one nation to be 87 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 6: able to They're not going to get into government themselves 88 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 6: anytime soon, but if you look at what Reform has 89 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 6: done building that up you know when it was UKIP 90 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 6: and it takes time, right, So I think these things 91 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 6: need to be figured out first before any discussion of 92 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 6: coalition forming takes place. 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: And on mister Howard, and I think he's not alone here. 94 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: There's other former Liberal leaders who are otherwise pretty sound, 95 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: but they've got this anti populist sentiment which is really 96 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: quite worrying because populace is just another word for democracy 97 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: and it's what people want to see from their elected officials. 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: And it should not be railed against. It should actually 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: be listened to. 100 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it only reinforces it. 101 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 6: You know, when you have former politicians that are railing 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 6: against populos, well, that reinforces the popularist vote because it 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 6: proves the reason why people are voting that way. 104 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 5: Now. I think that it's. 105 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 6: The thing about how it was he was masterful and 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 6: actually dealing with this himself. He had these same challenges 107 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 6: when the Liberal Party was drifting to the left, and 108 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 6: he was able to bring it back to a more 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 6: sensible position. The reason why One Nation is doing so 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 6: well is precisely because the Liberal Party is failing. If 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 6: the Liberal Party was dealing with mass migration, if it 112 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 6: was dealing with policies like net ZERI, if it was 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 6: standing up for Australian values, even with the Voice to Parliament, 114 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 6: it took them forever to get to a no position. 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 6: So this you can't sort of just say I don't 116 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 6: like One Nation, I don't like populus. You've got to 117 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 6: look at the Liberal Party has caused this fracturing to happen. 118 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 3: They can't even bring themselves a Liberal Party to say 119 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: the words mass migration. You've got people within the party 120 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: who think it's an offensive term to. 121 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: Be including the immigration shadow. 122 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: That's a bit of a. 123 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 5: Problem, isn't it. Dan Yes. 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: Now. 125 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: Housing Minister Clara O'Neil was on Sky News earlier today 126 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 3: and listen to her dismiss the idea that immigration mass 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: immigration is the biggest factor in house prices going through 128 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: the roof One Nation. 129 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 7: According to recent polls leads when it comes to that 130 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 7: issue of immigration, and part of it is the housing question, 131 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 7: because people are saying, why are we bringing more people 132 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 7: in when we can't even house and young people can't 133 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 7: get into the market. Now, you know they're inextricably linked 134 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 7: those two issues, aren't they. 135 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 8: Well, migration is a piece of the puzzle. It's certainly 136 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 8: not the whole story. 137 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 7: Politically, it's a potent. 138 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 8: Well, we know it's not the whole story because in 139 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 8: COVID we actually saw our population decline for the first 140 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 8: time in seventy years, and house prices absolutely went through 141 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 8: the roofs. 142 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 9: So these things are not linear. 143 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's the housing minist it's just such simplistic, 144 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: economically illiterate thinking. We were in a pandemic where businesses 145 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: were forcibly shut down, and naturally in a crisis like that, 146 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: people turned to bricks and water investments, So people went 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: to what they consider to be safe as houses literally houses. 148 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: That is not a. 149 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: That is not some sort of proof that migration doesn't 150 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: have the impact on housing prices and demand that it 151 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: obviously does because people have to live somewhere. 152 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, how hard is it just to say it's a problem. 153 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 6: I don't get it. It's just supply and demand. The 154 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 6: other thing in COVID was supply chain disruption. It's hard 155 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 6: to get raw materials. Plus you know labour governments are 156 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 6: banning logging and actually getting timber. 157 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 5: That doesn't help either. 158 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 6: So look, mass migration is the number one cause of 159 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 6: house is going up. It is just obvious that if 160 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 6: you don't have the houses in place before people get here, 161 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 6: prices will go up. The quickest and easiest way to 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 6: improve affordability is to cut immigration, and to cut it immediately. Yes, 163 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: we need to fix the supply side. And you know 164 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 6: they have the National Housing Agreement with the National Housing Accord. 165 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 6: It's been in place for a number since mid last year, 166 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 6: mid the year before. 167 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: Actually it hasn't hit. 168 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 6: One single target, not one single target has been hit 169 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 6: on that accord. So it's just a disaster. And this 170 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 6: is why no one trusts the government to get the 171 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 6: job done. 172 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: No and Clara O'Neil also had plenty to say about 173 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: One Nation and Pauline Hanson. 174 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 8: Absolutely turned my stomach to see that One Nation, which 175 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 8: was quite rightly a prior of you know politics. Pauline 176 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 8: Hansson's made a career out of sewing division and distrust 177 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 8: and hatred between Australians, openly mocking people's most important spiritual beliefs, 178 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 8: and yet here she is being regarded as a mainstream 179 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 8: political force. And my view is the Liberals and then Schwans, 180 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 8: I've got a lot to answer for here. 181 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: How out of touch is Clara O'Neill. 182 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: The polling shows, and we're talking about a number of 183 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: polls by different polling companies. Pauline Hanson is the most 184 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: popular political leader right now, ahead of Susan Lee, and 185 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 3: ahead of the Prime Minister. 186 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 5: And ahead of Clara O'Neil, no doubt. 187 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: No doubt if anyone knew who. 188 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 6: I didn't, I assume she was referring to Islam when 189 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 6: she said that, I didn't know. 190 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 5: It was a spiritual belief. I think that would be 191 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 5: news to most people. 192 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: That would have been used to pretty much ninety nine 193 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: percent of the Muslim population to suggest that if you're 194 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: not in favor of the Burka, then you are mocking the. 195 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: Spiritual beliefs of or Muslims. 196 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean, really it's absurd, But what about that characterization, 197 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: This continued effort to paint one nation of Pauline Hanson 198 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: as this extreme right, dangerous group that anyone's aligned with 199 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: them or has a pre and still with them than 200 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: they're guilty of something. 201 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 6: This is again, this is what it's striving people to 202 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 6: one nation. I mean, people like Clara Neil don't get it. 203 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 6: The people from the inner cities in Melbourne don't get it. 204 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 6: If you think that being concerned about mass migration is racist, 205 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 6: you're going to drive people to one nation. She talked 206 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 6: about division, well, clar O'Neil supported the Voice to Parliament 207 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 6: to divide it literally, to entrench racial division in our constitution. 208 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 6: One nation opposed the Voice to Parliament because on the 209 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 6: basis that we're all equal. Yet somehow Paul Enhans and 210 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 6: sewing division and Clara O'Neil is trying to be in 211 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 6: favor of unity. 212 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 5: How does that work? Clarinel supports a treaty now the 213 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 5: Labour Party supports all. 214 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 6: Kinds of divisive measures. And it's what I would say 215 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 6: is this is just projection. You know, she's projecting her 216 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 6: own disposition on to Paul Enhanson and criticizing it. 217 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 3: Now, let's hear from Finance grew Mark Morris. He's joined 218 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: the chorus of economists in calling out the government's high spending, 219 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: saying it is contributing to the rise in inflation and 220 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: naturally interest rates. 221 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 10: Every economists and Australia just about every bank and Australia 222 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 10: just about. 223 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: Unfortunately the Reserve. 224 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 10: Bank's not going to be political, but they're all been telling. 225 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: The government stop spending. 226 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 10: I mean Milton Friedman, one of the greatest economists on 227 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 10: this globe forever. And basic economics you know one oh one, 228 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 10: which you learned at university in an economics degree. You 229 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 10: do not spend more than you earn. So the government 230 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 10: is spending more learned and that is what causes inflation. 231 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 10: Consumers never cause inflationment governments do. 232 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: Is one hundred percent right there. Consumers aren't causing inflation. 233 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: It is the mad government over spending. 234 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: Well, that's right. It is the government spending. 235 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 6: And that is combined with the fact that you've got 236 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 6: massive spending which could be absorbed in an economy that's growing. 237 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 6: If an economy is growing faster than the rate of spending, 238 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 6: then it's not going to cause inflation. But they're spending 239 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 6: faster than the economy is growing, so you're pumping more 240 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 6: money into circulation, which is pushing up prices. The other 241 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 6: problem that you've got is productivity is going down. Redcativity 242 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 6: is basically our capacity of our economy to generate supplying wealth. 243 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 6: So you've got government pumping in money, pumping in more 244 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 6: people into the economy, which is increasing demand at a 245 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 6: time when our ability to generate wealth as a country 246 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 6: is going backwards. So if the government gets the economy growing, 247 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 6: they can spend more, But I don't think that's on 248 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 6: the horizon now. 249 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: We're in a bit of a vicious circle right now. 250 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: And Mark Borrows also weighed in on the real cost 251 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: of living crisis and it's a lot worse than reported 252 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: for those paying off a mortgage. 253 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 10: Cost of living for a mortgage holder has gone out 254 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 10: of control relatives to someone who doesn't have a mortgage mortgage. 255 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 10: So mortgage holders in this country are getting punished for 256 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 10: taking risks to buy a house and borrow money at 257 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 10: the and only to help out those people who are 258 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 10: spending money like drunken salors, and they're the people getting 259 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 10: money from the government. 260 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: Dan this is true to form labor is again targeting, 261 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 3: punishing those who work hard, who invest. Then there's now 262 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: talk of reform of property taxes to further punish investors. 263 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 6: Well, that's right, and that hasn't worked well here in Victoria, 264 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 6: which is pioneered this approach of taxing people and taxing 265 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 6: land and taxing investors. And look, the problem here is 266 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 6: that it's not going to do anything about housing affordability fundamentally, 267 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 6: it's not a key contributing factor to that. And it's 268 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 6: just an example of how labor is late. It's just 269 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 6: another lazy tax grab. They've got no answers to how 270 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 6: to fix the budget. And look, the issue here is 271 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 6: I think you can have a conversation about investors who 272 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 6: have three, four five homes plus, but they want to 273 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 6: go after everyone. Most people who invest in property have 274 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 6: one or two at most. And these are aspirational Australians 275 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 6: that are investing in something so they have a bit 276 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 6: of money left over for when they retire, alongside their 277 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 6: super And it's just another example of it. I think 278 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 6: that Labor is just going to have this one size 279 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 6: fits all approach. 280 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 5: Slip punish people. 281 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope. 282 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: They're talking about winding back the capital gains tax discount 283 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: just for property, not for other asset classes, and I 284 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: think it's such a regressive way to look at it because, 285 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: like you said, so many ordinary people invest in property 286 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: to become financially secure. It's a real mum and dad 287 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: investment vehicle, and that's the one that's being targeted, not 288 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: people with share portfolios worth millions of dollars and sort 289 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: of more sophisticated investment. 290 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 5: That's a good point, actually, That is the issue. 291 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 6: Is it's going to be like the nurses and the 292 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 6: policemen and so forth that have got some money together, 293 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 6: probably brought a modest unit somewhere in the outer suburbs 294 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 6: that they rent out, and you're right, they're the ones 295 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 6: that they're going to go after. 296 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: And they're already having land tax against attacks that you 297 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: don't have if you've got millions in a share portfolio. Now, 298 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: before you go, we've got some data about office vacancy 299 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: rates that search to a near thirty year high in Melbourne, 300 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: with almost one in five Cevity officers sitting empty. That 301 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: is just a terrible state. The national average is fifteen 302 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: point nine percent and Sydney even lower than that. 303 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: The amount of. 304 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: Empty sipity office space has more than doubled in Melbourne 305 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: since Labour came to power in twenty fourteen. 306 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Down. 307 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 11: Yeah. 308 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 6: Well, I think this is another example in my mind 309 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 6: of I mean, firstly, the economy going backwards. People don't 310 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 6: want to invest, businesses aren't expanding their staff in the city. 311 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 5: And it's also a hangover from COVID. 312 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 6: You know, we had the longest lockdowns in the world 313 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 6: in Melbourne, and I mean I live in Adelaide now, 314 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 6: which had a much different experience with the COVID lockdowns, 315 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 6: and you do realize that Melbourne is quite different to 316 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 6: the rest of Australia because of how long the lockdowns were, 317 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 6: and the work from home concept became deeply entrenched because 318 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 6: it had to because you weren't allowed to come into 319 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 6: the office. And now they're going to legislate three days 320 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 6: at home. So I think Melbourne is now an outlet. 321 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 6: Used to be a city that would attract investment, but 322 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 6: because of lockdowns and the mentality that's developed following lockdowns, 323 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 6: it's becoming a negative place to invest and that's revealed 324 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 6: in these vacancy. 325 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: Rates and it's revealed in the mood of the CBD. 326 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: It really is quite a depressing place compared to Sydney, ceas, 327 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: particularly if there are no major events during weekends, it 328 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: can be fairly dark and depressing. 329 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: Dan will thank you so much for your time tonight. 330 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: Thank you. 331 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: Let's bring in esteem. 332 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: Geologist and author Professor Ian plymer. Ian Vice President JD. 333 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: Vans has used his speech at the State Department's Critical 334 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: Minerals Ministerial Meeting, attended by the EU and fifty four 335 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: nations including Australia, to announce plans for a new critical 336 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: minerals trading block between the US and its allies, alongside 337 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: coordinated minimum legal prices for the goods. 338 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: Ian. 339 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: The Vice President has said the plan was necessary to 340 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: address the failing critical minerals market and counter China's dominance 341 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: in the sector. 342 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 12: Well, China dominates minerals that we use, and they're absolutely 343 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 12: necessary for everyday life. Minerals like tin, minerals like tungsten, 344 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 12: minerals like us we use that, a little of electronics 345 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 12: and of course the rare earth elements. So although most 346 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 12: countries have some mineral deposits, not all countries are blessed 347 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 12: with mineral deposits of every type that we need to 348 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 12: live our modern life. So the US is making a 349 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 12: very sensible decision. They once had a situation where Uncle 350 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 12: Sam used to buy a lot of minerals and stop 351 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 12: Parlem because they didn't produce them. This is a similar 352 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 12: sort of system. However, there is one great weakness to it. 353 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 12: If we are say mining tungsten, which we can mine 354 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 12: in various parts of Austria and currently coming up in Devon, 355 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 12: in England, and in Australia and a few other parts 356 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 12: of the world, we need to convert that to a 357 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 12: saleable product called ammonium power tungstate. Now the Chinese do that. 358 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 12: We don't have one of those factories in Australia. There 359 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 12: is a small one in Austria, and that's it. We 360 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 12: also have a situation with rail earth elements, where the 361 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 12: rare earth elements are chemically similar to each other that 362 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 12: you need very very specific processes. 363 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: For extracting one element from the next. 364 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 12: This takes time, This takes a huge amount of capital, 365 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 12: and it takes a lot of skill. 366 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: Now the US doesn't have that, China does. 367 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 12: It was stolen from the French the rule and per 368 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 12: link process, and so the US, although it might have 369 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 12: some of the minerals in the. 370 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: Ground, it doesn't have the processing facilities. So to have 371 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: a marketing arm is the way around this. 372 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 12: Now it'll take some time because China will have an 373 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 12: easy fit, but ultimately there will be stable marketing of 374 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 12: minerals which we need for Western civilization. 375 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 3: And we have to get China out of that supply chain. 376 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: It cannot be reliant on China for part of that process. 377 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: It defeats the. 378 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: Whole purpose of being energy independent. Now let's talk about 379 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: Chris Bowen. I know he is your favorite and minister 380 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: in the alb and Easy government. The climate change and 381 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: Energy minister has declared that Snowy Hydro two point zero 382 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: is apparently back on track. That's only after numerous budget blowouts, 383 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: fresh cash injections and even a new tunnel boring machine 384 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: which they've named Monica. 385 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: Really they have. 386 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: This was delivered to the side earlier in the week 387 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: in what's going on with this project? 388 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's a giant stuff up. 389 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 12: It's an ideological program driven by people who have no 390 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 12: idea of making tunnels. For example, in any normal underground mind, 391 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 12: you will make a decline which is five and a 392 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 12: half meters by five and a half meters, and you 393 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 12: can advance at a couple of meters a day. Most 394 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 12: mines would have at least fifty maybe one hundred kilometers 395 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 12: of underground tunnels they're put in over a decade or so, 396 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 12: So what's wrong with snowy hydra When they're putting in 397 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 12: a system using a tunnel borer, which is much quicker, 398 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 12: what's wrong with them? They're actually boring a much much 399 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 12: shorter distance than you do in a normal hard rock 400 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 12: underground time. So there's something seriously wrong with those people 401 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 12: who are driving this process. And these are the ide 402 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 12: logues in Canberra who've never tied up a shoelace let 403 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 12: learn put. 404 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: In the tunnel. 405 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: No, and I would love to see once this whole 406 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: project is completed what the cost has been compared to 407 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: what we were told when Malcolm Turnbull dreamed up this 408 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 3: idea some years ago. Professorin Plyma, thank you so much 409 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: for your time tonight, Thank you stilty karma left he 410 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: is losing it, plass the latest from the US, including 411 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: the fraud scandal in Minnesota, which is even worse than 412 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: first reported. John Heindereika joins me. Next, you're watching the 413 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: Reader Panehy show, and it's time for lefties losing it 414 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: and sad news for the left, just activist masquading as 415 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: journalists at the Washington Post with hundreds of jobs slashed 416 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 3: across its newsroom after the paper loss seventy seven million 417 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: US in twenty twenty three and one hundred million in 418 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. 419 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: I'd have a. 420 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: Little more sympathy for those job losses if it weren't 421 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: for the fact that the Washington Post is nothing but 422 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: a propaganda outlet for the Democrats, pumping out endless misinformation, 423 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: always in the same direction, and they were guilty of 424 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: pushing the Russian collusion hoax. Here's just thirty seconds of 425 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: the fake news that the Washington Post pumped out and 426 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: the rest of the media eight up. 427 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 13: Russian President Vladimir Putin gave direct instructions to help elect 428 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 13: Donald Trump president. According to a Washington Post investigation, Former 429 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 13: President Obama received a secret CIA report in August. That 430 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 13: report quote captured Putin's specific instructions on the operations audacious 431 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 13: objectives defeat or at least damage the Democratic now Maine 432 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 13: Hillary Clinton. 433 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 14: This morning, the Washington Host is reporting that US intelligence 434 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 14: agencies had sourcing deep inside the Russian government, capturing Putin's 435 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 14: direct instructions in the operation. 436 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: Maybe a good idea to learn how to code. Now, 437 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: let's look at some of the indoctrination happening in American schools. 438 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 3: Look at how these young children are being taught to 439 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 3: hate and protest against the president. You know, that reminds 440 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: me of going to school in Iran, in Tehran and 441 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: being forced to chance death to America at school assembly. 442 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 3: That's what blue cities are turning into. And it doesn't 443 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 3: get much better when the kids are in high school. 444 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 3: Here are more brainwashed kids protesting Ice and Trump. 445 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: Donald Trump involved but his peak. 446 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: But this has to be my favorite anti ice protest. 447 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: This is just so stunning and brave. The sacrifice these 448 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: lefties are making is profound. 449 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 14: Dreams with our eyes. 450 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: Because the time to check in now on the Vice 451 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 3: president JD Van schooling yet another TV anchor. 452 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: This just gets tiresome after a while. 453 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 15: Should you plan to apologize to the family of Alex 454 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 15: Pretty for what for you know, labeling him an assassion 455 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 15: with ill intent? 456 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 11: Well, again, I just described to you what I said 457 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 11: about Alex Pretty, which is that he's a guy who 458 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 11: should have ill intent to an ice protest. 459 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 15: But it's determined that his civil rights were violated by 460 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 15: this FBI investigation, will you apologize? 461 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 11: So if this hypothetical leads to that hypothetical leads to 462 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 11: do a thing. 463 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: Now, it seems the Vice president has grown weary of 464 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: doing interviews with dim witted anchor on CNN, NBC, CBS, 465 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, interviews that are watched by dwindling audience. 466 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 3: So he went where the eyeballs are. In twenty twenty six, 467 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: he sat down with Megan Kelly. Here he talks about 468 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: the media and their refusal to cover what has been 469 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 3: an astonishing story, the dramatic drop in violent crime in 470 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: the past twelve months, including an almost twenty percent drop. 471 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: In the murder rate. Assaults are down, fifties down, but. 472 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 3: The media has all but buried the story. 473 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 11: Just about the crime. Okay, why is the crime rate 474 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 11: so low? There are a lot of reasons. One is 475 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 11: that we've empowered local law enforcement. Another reason is because 476 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 11: we've deported a lot of criminals in the United States 477 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 11: that should have never been here in the first place 478 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 11: because they were legal aliens. So the media cannot even 479 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 11: express an ounce of nuance. It's never oh, well, maybe 480 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 11: this we disagree with this. Let's have a conversation about that. 481 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 11: And but like, let's tell the truth about the fact 482 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 11: that there are America who are alive today because of 483 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 11: Donald Trump's crime and immigration policies. 484 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 5: They can't do that. 485 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 11: It's always just shouting angry all the time. You're Gestapo, 486 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 11: You're the fascist, and it's just crazy, and it does 487 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 11: the American people the real disservices. 488 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: And the Vice president waiting on the arrest of Don 489 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 3: Lemon after that storming of a church in Minnesota, JD 490 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: did not hold back. 491 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 16: Mentioned the press a minute ago, someone who claims to 492 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 16: be a member of it. Is Don Lemon who's been arrested. 493 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 5: Now, the dumbest man in television. 494 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 16: Yea. I mean, he's under arrest because he stormed a 495 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 16: church in the middle of a Sunday service along with 496 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 16: a lot of other writers and disruptive people trying to worship. 497 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 16: He's trying to cloak himself in the First Amendment, saying 498 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 16: this is an attack on freedom of the press. 499 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 5: And you say what, well, I say. 500 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 11: First, don no one's objecting to you standing outside of 501 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 11: the church and protesting. No one's objecting to you to 502 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 11: no one's saying you can't protest the Trump administration's immigration. 503 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: Policies for frankl Our policies. 504 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: On anything else. 505 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 11: What you cannot do is go into somebody's house of 506 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 11: worship and prevent them from exercising their First Amendment right 507 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 11: to the free exercise of religion. 508 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: That's what happened. 509 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 11: By the way, there's a federal law on the books 510 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 11: that says you're not allowed to interrupt churches. You're not 511 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 11: allowed to prevent people from entering or leaving a church. 512 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 11: And the Biden administration aggressively prosecuted people. Where was Don 513 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 11: Lemon when people were getting aggressively prosecuted for sham violations 514 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 11: of the Face Act. We have a rock solid violation 515 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 11: of the Face Act, which is you were sticking a 516 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 11: microphone in the face of a minister during the church 517 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 11: service while the people you were with were preventing people 518 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 11: from leaving. 519 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 5: That's a violation of the law. 520 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 11: That's not about the First Amendment. 521 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: Let's bring in president of the Center of the American 522 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 3: Experiment and co founder of the popular power Line blog, 523 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: John Heinderreika. The mayhem is happening in your home state. 524 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: ICE is operating around the US, but it's only in 525 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 3: Minnesota that we are seeing this sort of violent uprising 526 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: on a regular basis, with law enforcement being obstructed, being attacked, 527 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: and we also had this storming of a church that 528 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: has led to the arrest of Don Lemon. 529 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 14: Yeah, the reason, Rita, is that our elected officials, starting 530 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 14: with Governor Tim Walls and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, are 531 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 14: openly encouraging the rioting and the interfering with ICE's efforts 532 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 14: to apprehend illegal aliens, which of course is a federal crime. 533 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 14: These officials are trying to make it impossible to enforce 534 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 14: federal law in Minnesota. It is very much like what 535 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 14: states like South Carolina did in the years leading up 536 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 14: to the Civil War. Tim Walls has even taught publicly 537 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 14: about being at war with the federal government. It has 538 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 14: referred to Fort Sumter, which of course is where the 539 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 14: Civil War began when South Carolina troops fired at a 540 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 14: Union forked and Tim Wallas is actually invoking that. So 541 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 14: the reason why things are so crazy in Minnesota, at 542 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 14: least the primary reason, is because our elected officials are 543 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 14: actively encouraging the lawlessness, and. 544 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: They may have some motivation to do that because Minnesota 545 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: was caught in an unprecedented fraud scandal, and we're not 546 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: talking about that anymore. 547 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: And President Donald. 548 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 3: Trump has said that fraud in Minnesota is worse than 549 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: what has been reported. He wrote, the theft and fraud 550 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: in Minnesota is far greater than the nineteen billion dollars 551 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: originally projected. The Biden administration knew this fraud was happening 552 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: and did absolutely nothing about it. John, He's singled out 553 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: Democrat Congresswoman Elin Omar and the governors in Walls has 554 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: been complicit in this unprecedented fraud. 555 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: Do you say it that way? 556 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 14: Well, it's been sickly happening here. Rita is that this 557 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 14: was a vote buying schemes. Certainly, Governor Tim Walls knew 558 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 14: that frauds were going on, Ill hand Omar knew they 559 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 14: were going on, and they did nothing because they wanted 560 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 14: to encourage all of this money flowing out into the 561 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 14: Somali community. What happened here is that the DFL party 562 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 14: pumped billions and billions of dollars into the Somali community 563 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 14: here in Minnesota and created a voting block that is 564 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 14: decisive in close elections. So it didn't make any difference 565 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 14: to Tim Walls or ill hand Omar whether the dollars 566 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 14: that were being pumped out were legitimate or were fraudulent, 567 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 14: they were dollars that were going to their voters. Now, 568 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 14: ill had Omar drafted the law that created the program 569 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 14: that enabled the five hundred million dollars feeding our future fraud. 570 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 14: And she also reported her own financial reports that her 571 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 14: net worth went from essentially zero to thirty million dollars 572 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 14: in what year? How is there a connection? We don't know, 573 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 14: but she certainly benefits from the Somali voting block that 574 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 14: those government programs have created. 575 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: And talking about the governor's in Walls, there he's complicity 576 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: in the dysfunction in Minnesota. The fraud and in Minnesota 577 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: was discussed earlier today. 578 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: Let's hear from David Hosh. 579 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: He's the independent journalist who featured in Nick Shirley's videos 580 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: exposing fraud in Minnesota. He testified to lawmakers on Capital 581 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: Hill earlier today. 582 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 17: So going back to whether Governor Walls knew about it, 583 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 17: Governor Walls admitted knowing about the fraud earliness first term, 584 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 17: which would take twenty twenty. Well Minnesota Statue three point 585 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 17: ninety seven to one subdivision nine clearly says that if 586 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 17: you are made aware of fraud in a state agency, 587 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 17: you are obligated to immediately report that fraud to the 588 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 17: Office of the Legislative Auditor immediately. 589 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: John Tim Walls did not report the fraud to the 590 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: Office of the Legislative Auditor. He claims he did tell 591 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 3: the FBI. Will there be any sort of reckoning for 592 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: his well, lack of leadership his own Whether it was 593 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 3: inetness or complicity, it really doesn't matter. He was governor 594 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: and he seemed to not have his mind on the job. 595 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: We know he's not running again, but could he possibly 596 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: have an investigation into how he handled this matter? 597 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 14: Well, first of all, I read it the claim that 598 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 14: you just heard there by Tim Walls that he somehow 599 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 14: called in the FBI, He tipped off the FBI and 600 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 14: was investigated by the Minnesota Legislative Auditor, and it was 601 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 14: found to be false. Walls did notify the FBI. It 602 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 14: was the FBI that came to Walls and said that 603 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 14: they were about to execute search words in connection with 604 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 14: what became known is Thefitting our Future fraud. The prosecutor 605 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 14: of that massive fraud was carried out entirely by the 606 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 14: federal government, the FBI and the United States Attorney for 607 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 14: the District of Minnesota. They've charged I think seventy eight 608 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 14: criminal defendants. Now, Tim Walls and his attorney general had 609 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 14: nothing to do with it. They played no role whatsoever. 610 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 14: They were bystanders at best and beneficiaries of the fraud. So, 611 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 14: as you said, Tim Walls has been pulled out of 612 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 14: the race by the National Democratic Party. His political career 613 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 14: appears to be over, and there are reports that he's 614 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 14: been referred to for some criminal investigation. I'm doubtful that's 615 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 14: going to go anywhere, but we'll see what happens. 616 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: Now, I think we should leave the last word about 617 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: Governor Tim Wolls to Senator John Kennedy from the gright 618 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 3: side of Louisiana. 619 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 18: Governor Tim Walsh, whatever he says, believe the opposite. I'm sorry, 620 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 18: the man learned a lie before we learned a talk. 621 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: He's just I can't hope for you crack me up. 622 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 18: Well, he's just a less a less masculine version of 623 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 18: Hillary Clinton. 624 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 14: Oh manh Tim Walls is a less masculine version of 625 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 14: Hillary Clinton. 626 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: That's going to stick in my mind. 627 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: Now, let's have a look at this clash between Senator 628 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: Ted Cruz and the cose of Netflix during a Senate 629 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: hearing on Netflix's pending eighty three billion dollar attempt to 630 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: acquire Warner Brothers Discoveries, streaming and studio assets. 631 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 19: Look, Netflix has long been a left wing company. Your founder, 632 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 19: Read Hastings, is one of the biggest Democrat donors in 633 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 19: the country, including giving millions recently to the massive gerrymander 634 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 19: in California, making it one of the most gerrymandered states 635 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 19: in the Union. Because your founder desperately wants a Democrat 636 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 19: House of Representatives, Susan Rice from the Obama White House 637 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 19: is on your board of directors. You guys, gave fifty 638 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 19: million dollars to the Obamas, as far as I can tell, 639 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 19: to produce no discernible content whatsoever. How would you tell 640 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 19: a Texan sitting at home to feel comfortable. CNN is 641 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 19: already a dumpster fire. There's nothing resembling objectivity, There's nothing 642 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 19: resembling journalism anymore. How are people at home, How should 643 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 19: they feel even remotely confident that if this merger happens, 644 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 19: the combined entity would not simply be a propaganda outlet 645 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 19: pushing one particular political view with much greater market power 646 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 19: than you have now. 647 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 5: Well, so we would fail. 648 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: We would fail pushing a political view or propaganda. We 649 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: deliver entertainment to consumers. 650 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 15: Our consumers see our business pretty much the way they 651 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 15: see the America. About forty percent conservative, about forty percent liberal, 652 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 15: about twenty percent don't know, Oh. 653 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: John, that's not at all accurate, is it? 654 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 3: And Netflix's political bias is pretty evident in its programming, 655 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: throughout its programming, even children's programming, and to pretend otherwise 656 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 3: is really insulting the audience. 657 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: Reader. 658 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 14: The entire entertainment industry is left wing, almost to thought exception, 659 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 14: and Netflix is notoriously liberal. There are these Netflix memes 660 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 14: and you've seen them, you know what I'm talking about. 661 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 14: Netflix program and then there's the Netflix version. And in 662 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 14: the Netflix version, all the characters are non white and gay. 663 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 14: It is a standing joke. 664 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: We see it. 665 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 14: All the time. These people are not fooling anyone, They're not. 666 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: And to go to that Senate hearing and just. 667 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 3: Deny the obvious, I mean, it's one thing to say 668 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 3: we exist in an industry where the artistic community leans 669 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 3: a certain way, so the content they produce is naturally 670 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 3: going to be left leaning. You could make an explanation 671 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 3: for it, but just to deny the reality is just 672 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: so insulting to the audience. Now before you go, the 673 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 3: French cybercrime unit has raided the Paris offices of Elon 674 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: Musk's ex as part of a year long investigation, and 675 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 3: they have summoned the billionaire to front of hearing over 676 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 3: his platforms suspected algorithm abuse and what they call fraudulent 677 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 3: data extraction. But John, I do suspect this has got 678 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 3: a lot more to do with Elon Musk being a 679 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 3: free speech warrior and not allowing the bureaucratic class to 680 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 3: dictate what people can say and discuss online rita. 681 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 14: There is a huge battle over free speech going on 682 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 14: in Europe and a big part of it has to 683 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 14: do with social media. The European Union has adopted the 684 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 14: Digital Services Act, which requires platforms like x to engage 685 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 14: in content moderation under very vague standards, and many people 686 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 14: think that what they're going to suppress is conservative content 687 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 14: and content that is critical of their own government. So 688 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 14: the US has been pushing back against those efforts. What 689 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 14: I suspect is going on here is part of that 690 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 14: larger battle over whether American ideas of free speech will 691 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 14: prevail in Europe or whether European censorship will be imposed 692 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 14: by American companies. 693 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: John Heinderreicher, thanks for your time tonight. 694 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 14: Thank you. 695 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 12: Rita. 696 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 3: Still to come fresh revelations about Andrew mount Batton Wins's relationship. 697 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 2: With Jeffrey Epstein. 698 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: Kinsey Schofield has the details. Welcome back. Joining me now 699 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 3: is celebrity and royal commentator Kinsey Schofield. Kinsey, the man 700 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 3: once known as Prince Andrew has moved out of the 701 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 3: Royal Lodge a week earlier than expected, reportedly under intense 702 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 3: pressure from his brother, King Charles, following the latest Epstein 703 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 3: files release. Kinsey, what more can you tell me? 704 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 20: Well, that Andrew mount Batton Windsor is now effectively living 705 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 20: in the exile that we anticipated, and it's hard to 706 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 20: see a path back with new devastating allegations of sex trafficking, 707 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 20: active investigations by the Metropolitan Police that are new and 708 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 20: increasingly disturbing details emerging about his time in relationship with 709 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 20: Jeffrey Epstein. 710 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 9: The walls are closing in. 711 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 20: This isn't just a personal disgrace, I would argue it's 712 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 20: the most damaging crisis to hit the British monarchy since 713 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 20: the abdication because it strikes at the institution's moral authority, 714 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 20: not just its image. 715 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 3: Emails released as part of the Epstein files revealed that 716 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 3: Gilain Maxwell confirmed to Jeffrey Epstein back in twenty fifteen 717 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: that that infamous photo of Andrew Matt Batten Windsor with 718 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 3: his arm around the waist of Virginia Giuffrey was in 719 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 3: fact real. Kinsey, the former Prince repeatedly questioned the authenticity 720 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: of that image and denied he'd ever met. 721 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 20: Virginia exactly, and that's why his credibility is completely shot. 722 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 20: Four years he insisted that this was fake, it was misleading, he'd. 723 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 9: Never met her. 724 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 20: Now we have these emails showing Glane privately confirming to 725 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 20: Jeffrey Epstein that the photo was in fact real. That 726 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 20: doesn't just contradict Andrew's public denials, it destroys them. 727 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 9: When your version of. 728 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 20: Events collapses against documented evidence, you don't get the benefit 729 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 20: of the doubt anymore, Kinsey. 730 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 3: Even more revelations about Andrew Matt Badden Winsor's conduct in 731 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 3: the latest Epstein document dumb in an email dated twenty 732 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 3: third of March twenty eleven, a lawyer for an exotic 733 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 3: dancer made bombshell claims that Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew 734 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: or the man known as Prince Andrew back then demanded 735 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 3: a threesome with his client and treated her like a prostitute, 736 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 3: despite the fact she was hired by Epstein to dance, 737 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 3: only not to have sexual intercourse. Kinsey, the lawyer, alleges 738 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 3: that after intense pressure from the pairs, she did perform 739 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 3: various sex acts on the men. 740 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 20: It never paid her the money that they promised her. 741 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 20: Imagine being his daughters and seeing these headlines in the paper, 742 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 20: and I say that with empathy while recognizing that they 743 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 20: were adults, his daughters when they got on an airplane 744 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 20: with their mother to visit to the convicted sex offender 745 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 20: shortly after. 746 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 9: He was released from jail. 747 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 20: A lot of questionable decision making happening within this family. 748 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 11: Now. 749 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 3: Bill Gates has denied claims made about. 750 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 2: His conduct in the Epstein files. 751 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 3: In an interview with nine News Australia, he is what 752 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 3: he had to say. 753 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 21: It's actually true that I was only at dinners. You know, 754 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 21: I never went to the Island. I never met any women, 755 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 21: and so you know, the more that comes out, the 756 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 21: more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, 757 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 21: it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior. 758 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 3: Kinsey, his fumer wife, has also been spaking out what 759 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 3: does she had to say? 760 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 20: She said we should put some pressure on her ex 761 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 20: husband to talk to have to answer some pretty tough questions. 762 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 20: You know, she's saying, yeah, I think that I'm loving 763 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 20: this negative attention. Quite frankly, this will be a problem 764 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 20: for both Gates in the future, whether you believe. 765 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 2: Him or not. 766 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 20: Once false information is out there, it can persist in memory. 767 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 20: This is science. It persists in memory even after people 768 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 20: know it's false. It's a phenomenon sometimes referred to as 769 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 20: belief perseverance. People may remember the content but forget whether 770 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 20: it was debunked, leading to that lingering influence. These headlines 771 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 20: have been so sensational that some have already consumed them 772 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 20: as truth, and there's no turning back. 773 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 9: This is horrible for his legacy. 774 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. 775 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 3: He's made emphatic denials about a lot of these allegations, 776 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 3: but he also wants the public to believe that he 777 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 3: was fairly naive in his dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. And 778 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 3: this is a man who's considered by many a genius, 779 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 3: is a billionaire. He built this massive company and normally 780 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 3: those people aren't naive, but he does emphatically deny any wrongdoing. 781 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 3: Now gb News has sent a reporter to Billie Eilish's 782 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 3: mansion to question her about her stolen land Grammy's ran 783 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 3: after the local indigenous tribe said in a statement that 784 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 3: the complex is located on their land, their ancestral land, 785 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 3: and that the singer had failed to contack them about it. 786 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 3: He's had the attempt to access her property went. 787 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 6: First of all, isn't that ironic massive gates keeping people out? 788 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 5: I thought Billy didn't believe in borders. The lights on, 789 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 5: so somebody must be home. Let us in, please, Billy. 790 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 6: We are here because this is stolen land, Billy, and 791 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 6: we think we should be given access to your quite 792 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 6: lovely three million dollar mansion. 793 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 3: Very very amusing work. We also have an Australian Kinsey 794 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 3: Drew Pavlou, who was on the show earlier in the week. 795 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 3: He's also going to Malibu. He wants to move into 796 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 3: Billy's mansion because he says no one is illegal on 797 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 3: stolen land. 798 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 9: First of all, good luck to Drill. 799 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 20: But I mean Billie Eilish has built her brand on 800 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 20: rejecting attention. She says she's shy, She says she wants 801 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 20: to stay above the fray and doesn't want the circus. 802 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 20: And yet here she is with international media on her doorstep. 803 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 9: That contradiction is the problem. 804 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 20: This was a moment that required nothing more than thinking 805 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,399 Speaker 20: the audience, accepting the trophy and moving on. 806 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 9: Instead, she chose. 807 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 20: To make a loaded statement, and now she's dealing with 808 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 20: the entirely predictable consequences. You don't get to claim you 809 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 20: hate attention while actively inviting it in this way, and. 810 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 3: Such an inane comment just contradictory. You can't say you 811 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 3: were on stolen land and also not believe in borders. 812 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 2: And anyone can go anywhere, I mean, just pick a lane. 813 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 3: Don Lemon has sat down with Jimmy Kimmel is playing 814 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 3: the victim again after he was arrested for storming a 815 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 3: Minneapolis church during Sunday prayers. Mind you, here he is 816 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 3: claiming the FEDS wanted to embarrass him with his arrest. 817 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 9: They want to embarrass you, They want to impemitate you. 818 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 13: They want to instill fear, and so that's why they 819 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 13: did it that way. 820 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 20: Mugshot, fingerprints the whole nine yards. 821 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 3: Twice, Kinsey, he is a loving every second of this, 822 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 3: including all that Hollywood. 823 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 20: Actually, Don Lemon, I believe is what Tucker Carlson used 824 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 20: to refer to him as has spent years courting controversy 825 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 20: from on air remarks. 826 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 9: Criticized as sexist and agists. 827 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 20: You and I are passed our prime, by the way, 828 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 20: our expiration date was a long time ago. 829 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 2: Course. 830 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 20: Yeah to the radical Yeah, exactly, to radically charged commentary 831 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 20: that even his former network struggled to defend. CNN repeatedly 832 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 20: sidelined him, they reshuffled him, ultimately cutting ties. Not because 833 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 20: of one slip up, because the drama became the brand. 834 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 9: And at this point it's hard to ignore that pattern. 835 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 20: Don Lemon doesn't just thrive on attention, he requires it, 836 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 20: whether it's praise or backlash, positive or negative. The spotlight 837 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 20: itself is the goal. That is not journalism. I'm sorry, 838 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 20: I know. 839 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 2: And he put it all to air. 840 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 3: This is a thing for him to pretend he was 841 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 3: just there reporting it was just had nothing to do 842 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 3: with the plan. He had no insight into the illegal 843 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 3: stuff that was about to go down. 844 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 2: Give me a break. 845 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 3: I mean, that's when you put all that stuff to 846 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 3: where you're kind of giving a bunch of evidence to 847 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 3: the prosecution. 848 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 2: Now. 849 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 3: President Donald Trump has reached out to Today's Show anca 850 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 3: Savannah Guthrie via a phone call to show his support 851 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 3: after her elderly mother, Nancy, went missing earlier in the week. 852 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 3: Guthrie has also released a video statement alongside members of 853 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 3: her family. 854 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 2: Here's what she had to say. 855 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 22: We want to thank all of you for the prayers 856 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 22: for our beloved mom, Nancy. We two have heard the 857 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 22: reports about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, 858 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 22: we are doing everything that we can. We are ready 859 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 22: to talk. 860 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 3: This is just such a sad and mysterious case, Kinsey, 861 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 3: What do we know at this stage. 862 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 20: I mean, the entire country is so captivated by this story. 863 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 20: It is like watching a horror film in real time. 864 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 20: The blood splatter on the porch of her mother's house, 865 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 20: the ring door cam ripped off the wall, It's terrifying. 866 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 20: Donald Trump did call her and say, I will give 867 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 20: you absolutely every government resource I can. I will do 868 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 20: everything in my power to help find your mother. The 869 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 20: FBI is now involved, but time is of the essence, 870 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 20: as she needs medication and our ultimate concern is that 871 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 20: they won't get to her in time. So obviously, if 872 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 20: somebody's watching us on YouTube or out there and they 873 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,320 Speaker 20: have any information, please contact the Tucson Police Department. 874 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 9: But this is a very scary story. 875 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 3: And before you go, Kinsey, Vogue has done a feature 876 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 3: on California Governor Gavin Newsom, and the common section on 877 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 3: vogues Instagram page is a pretty epic. Give me some insights. 878 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 3: I read the opening pause of this story and it 879 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 3: was vomit inducing. 880 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 20: Oh my gosh, I would have loved to have been 881 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 20: a fly on the wall watching you do that. 882 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 9: Overwhelmingly negative responses. Some of my favorite comments include pure evil. 883 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 20: So disappointed in this. He sure was in a hurry 884 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 20: to destroy California. Vogue Magazine, do your research better next time. 885 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 20: I don't know anybody in California that likes this guy. 886 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 20: I just threw up bad choice on this one. Many 887 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,840 Speaker 20: of us in California think he has ruined the state. 888 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 20: Agree with what others have said. Hard Pass. You lost 889 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 20: credibility for me on this one, and he destroyed California Vogue. 890 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 9: Do you listen to your audience. I mean, this is 891 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 9: not what we want. 892 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 3: It's not and this is a publication that refuses to 893 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 3: feature Milania Trump on the cover, and yet they want 894 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 3: to run these ridiculous fluff pieces on what is going 895 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 3: to be a presidential hopeful. Let's face it, They're not 896 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 3: running this to promote him as California governor. 897 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 2: This is all to build his homage for the. 898 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 3: Next Oh, of course, Yeah, that podcast went very well. 899 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 3: I mean this just shows you the character of the 900 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 3: man because one of the first guests on his podcast 901 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 3: was Charlie Kirk. He did him a huge favor by 902 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 3: going on to his podcast, giving him that enormous reach 903 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 3: that Charlie had, and then after his death, he was 904 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 3: so ungracious. After Charlie was murdered, he took back the 905 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 3: comments about how excited his son was about Charlie coming 906 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 3: in and the prospect of meeting Charlie. He completely rewrote 907 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 3: history there and I think that tells you everything you 908 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 3: need to know about Governor Newsome Kinsiscofield. Thanks for your time, 909 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 3: and that's all the time we have. Don't go anywhere. 910 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 3: News Night is coming up next.