WEBVTT - “We’re winning so much”: Trump’s message to Americans

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<v Speaker 1>A short time ago, we were a dead country. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we are the hottest country anywhere in the world, the hottest.

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<v Speaker 2>Full of hubris and bravado. The State of the Union

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<v Speaker 2>address was classic Trump, the showman who knows how to

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<v Speaker 2>work a crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>Our country is winning again. In fact, we're winning so

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<v Speaker 1>much that we really don't know what to do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>People are asking me, please, please, please, miss the president.

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<v Speaker 1>We're winning too much. We can't take it anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an awful long speech. This now set a record

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<v Speaker 3>as the longest State of the Union address in history.

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<v Speaker 3>He likes to set records, and he did tonight. I

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<v Speaker 3>think people turned off after about thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Our nation is back, bigger, better, richer, and stronger than

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<v Speaker 1>ever before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole Johnston and you're listening to seven AM today.

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<v Speaker 2>US journalist Steve Clemens, Editor at Large of The National Interest,

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<v Speaker 2>on the speech and the spectacle. How did Trump's State

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<v Speaker 2>of the Union go down? And what's it all mean

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<v Speaker 2>for the midterms. It's Thursday, February twenty six, Steve. This

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<v Speaker 2>was Trump's chance to lay out his achievements and his

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<v Speaker 2>policy agenda for the rest of his term. It was long,

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<v Speaker 2>It covered everything from the economy to migration.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, our border is secure, the roaring economy is roaring

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<v Speaker 1>like never before.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you think Trump's real message was here

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<v Speaker 2>to the American people, and was there even one?

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<v Speaker 3>No, his real message is he's the boss, He's in charge,

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<v Speaker 3>and America is better off for that. So, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>about the economy, whether it's about safety, migration, the wars

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<v Speaker 3>were in or pointing into the galleries of the Congress

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<v Speaker 3>at heroes, everything in America is better under his stewardship.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the message he's getting across. And so while it

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<v Speaker 3>seemed like a sprawl and not very specific, in a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ways, he's like a security blanket for the

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<v Speaker 3>nation in a lot of ways, which is gauzy and

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<v Speaker 3>all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats are destroying our country, but we've stopped it just

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<v Speaker 1>in the nick of time. And then.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it had moments of his disdain for those

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<v Speaker 3>who don't like him. That was very Trumpian when he

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<v Speaker 3>pointed to the Democrats and he basically mocked them and

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<v Speaker 3>poked them. I think the other thing you know that

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<v Speaker 3>was about it was a kind of narcissism. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>his little side comments that if the rules could be

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<v Speaker 3>changed so that he could get the CongressI Medal of

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<v Speaker 3>Honor or give it to himself, he would be there

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<v Speaker 3>with those great heroes that received the Congressional Medal of Honor.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted the Congressional Medal of Honor, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was informed I'm not allowed to give it to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't know why I'd be taken it. But

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<v Speaker 1>they ever opened up that law, I will be there

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<v Speaker 1>with you someday.

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<v Speaker 3>He did surprise me in a way that he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>amp up the temperature over Iran. He didn't beat his

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<v Speaker 3>chest a little bit on Venezuela. That was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a missing element that Bravado wasn't in the speech. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's how it was a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>We can never forget that many in this room not

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<v Speaker 1>only allowed the border invasion to happen before I got involved,

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<v Speaker 1>but indeed they would do it all over again if

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<v Speaker 1>they ever had the chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has build himself as the law and order president.

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<v Speaker 2>And a big part of this State of the Union

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<v Speaker 2>was about migration and the deportations, and there was one

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<v Speaker 2>point things got a little bit fiery, blocking.

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<v Speaker 1>The removal of these people out of our country, and

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<v Speaker 1>you should be ashamed of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Then why is it that he's so focused on this?

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<v Speaker 2>And don't most Americans think by now that ICE has

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<v Speaker 2>actually gone too far? So this could end up hurting

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<v Speaker 2>Trump come the midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he didn't mention ICE in this speech. If

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<v Speaker 3>you go back to many other speeches, ice was a

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<v Speaker 3>central feature. You know, I was surprised at Christy Noom,

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<v Speaker 3>the Secretary of Homeland Security, was in there because they've

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<v Speaker 3>been trying to send a different signal of this as

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<v Speaker 3>a warmer and fuzzier way of dealing with America's migration crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>He did have that line in there, which was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the longest applause lines, as do you support this statement.

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<v Speaker 1>If you agree with this statement, then stand up and

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<v Speaker 1>show your support. The first duty of the American government

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<v Speaker 1>is to protect American citizens, not illegal areas.

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<v Speaker 3>And Democrats didn't stand up, and he mocked them for

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<v Speaker 3>that in that.

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<v Speaker 1>SHA be a shamed of yourself not standing up. He

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<v Speaker 1>should be a shamed of you as health.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the real issue here is that when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to the safety issue of law and safety,

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<v Speaker 3>Americans care most about the economy, about inflation. But you

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<v Speaker 3>can't deny the fact that before he came in there

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<v Speaker 3>was a concern about security in the US. There was

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<v Speaker 3>a concern even in democratic cities about over immigration and

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<v Speaker 3>the failure of the Biden administration to do much on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And Donald Trump milked that very successfully because it was

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<v Speaker 3>a bipartisan issue. And I think that the safety and

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<v Speaker 3>law and order issue. Even though many people have huge

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<v Speaker 3>problems with the deployment of National Guard the way they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing it and the death of US citizens at the

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<v Speaker 3>hands of these ice agents and others, Americans have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of contradictions that they carry. They want safety. Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump may not be delivering it, and we know from

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<v Speaker 3>polls they're very dissatisfied with the way Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>deploying those forces around the country. But it doesn't change

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that the rhetoric about lawn safety can still work.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, the United States military obliterated Iran's nuclear weapons

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<v Speaker 1>program with an attack on a radian soil known as

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Midnight Hammer.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, we didn't get a lot of detail from Trump

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<v Speaker 2>on foreign policy, even though the US has assembled its

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<v Speaker 2>largest naval a Martyr in the Gulf since the two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and three Iraq war. Everyone's asking what will Trump do?

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<v Speaker 2>Will he attack? Is he going to find a way

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<v Speaker 2>to back down?

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<v Speaker 1>My preference is to solve this problem through diplomacy. But

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<v Speaker 1>one thing is certain. I will never allow the world's

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<v Speaker 1>number one sponsor of terror, which they are by far,

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<v Speaker 1>to have a nuclear weapon. Can't let that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that he hasn't made up his mind

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<v Speaker 2>or could he be having second thoughts about striking i Ran?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Trump is unpredictable in some ways. But we

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<v Speaker 3>also know that Donald Trump is on record with his base,

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<v Speaker 3>the Maga bass as not wanting to commit the same

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<v Speaker 3>kind of wars that previous administrations did. That he said

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<v Speaker 3>that wasn't going to be him. He wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 3>engage in regime change and do all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And to be honest, the wars that if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to call them, the twelve day conflict with Iran was

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<v Speaker 3>a polite war. It was in and out. He stopped

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<v Speaker 3>Israel from doing more bombing what we did in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 3>saying how how could Donald Trump go into Venezuela, whom

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<v Speaker 3>he called America's great friend in the speech? But yet

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<v Speaker 3>he basically did a grab and go with the president

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<v Speaker 3>and left the entire power structure of Venezuela in place,

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<v Speaker 3>So he's not really committing regime change. So my sense

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<v Speaker 3>is Donald Trump gets a lot of muscle and then

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<v Speaker 3>does something small. It would be uncharacteristic of everything we

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<v Speaker 3>know of Donald Trump thus far, with all of the

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<v Speaker 3>military power there, to do something that's gargantuan. But he

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<v Speaker 3>may still do something dramatic, and he may do something

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<v Speaker 3>that's surgical, which could you'll have tremendous ramifications for the regent.

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<v Speaker 3>But we don't know what he's going to do. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if I were iron, I would probably be

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<v Speaker 3>looking at Donald Trump as a serious threat, particularly for

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<v Speaker 3>their leadership, and try to negotiate something. So Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 3>strategy here, if it is muscle trying to move the irridiance,

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<v Speaker 3>is not stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up? Is the economy really roaring back? Steve? There's

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<v Speaker 2>also Trump's favorite tool, tariffs. Last week, the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>ruled that most of Trump's tariffs last year were unlawful,

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<v Speaker 2>and the New York Federal Reserve they found that the

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs are pushing consumer prices up and that the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of them is being paid for of course inside the US.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it that Americans think about these tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>and how they're hitting their back pocket and why is

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<v Speaker 2>it that Trump just seems to keep doubling down on them.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, Trump is a true believer in tariffs. Tariffs are

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<v Speaker 3>taxes on Americans, and that is what essentially the Supreme

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<v Speaker 3>Court ruled, and that the emergency powers that Trump was

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<v Speaker 3>referring to and applying these massive tariffs, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>very erratic ways around the world, you know, were was

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<v Speaker 3>not legal. That he could not do that. And he

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<v Speaker 3>looked at the Supreme Court justices and says that was

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<v Speaker 3>a very unfortunate ruling, an unfortunate ruling, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>and where you could sort of feel the seething nature

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And as time goes by, I believe the tariffs paid

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<v Speaker 1>for by foreign countries will, like in the past, substantially

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<v Speaker 1>replaced the modern day system of income tax, taking a

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<v Speaker 1>great financial burden off the people that I love.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, my view is Donald Trump doesn't understand tariffs very well.

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<v Speaker 3>Because Donald Trump throws tariffs around like you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a wet rag. You know, he won to use them

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<v Speaker 3>for everything, not just for the economy. He wants to

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<v Speaker 3>punish nations that are doing business with Iran, or punish

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<v Speaker 3>India for doing deals with Russia and energy that have

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with the US economy. So Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>loves tariffs. He's going to be at tariffs. Are going

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<v Speaker 3>to find a way to do it. But at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, I think it was very important to hear

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<v Speaker 3>how he essentially had an affordability streak through that entire speech.

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<v Speaker 1>We are doing really well. Those prices are plummeting down.

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<v Speaker 3>With about the price of eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>The price of eggs is down sixty percent, Madam Secretary.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you of various things that Americans wanted to buy,

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<v Speaker 3>about the price of gas being down, and asserting that

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<v Speaker 3>prices were plummeting now, which is not true, but trying

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<v Speaker 3>to basically convince Americans that tariffs are nothing. The stock

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<v Speaker 3>market is high, kitchen table economics have never been better,

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<v Speaker 3>and Americans just don't feel.

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<v Speaker 2>That was there actually any substance in what he had

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<v Speaker 2>to say about the economy. You know, he said it

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<v Speaker 2>was roaring back. Is that fair any of it?

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<v Speaker 3>No, Because we know that the economy slowed dramatically, much

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<v Speaker 3>slower than people expected. In the last quarter, so it

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<v Speaker 3>was like a point and a half percent or something,

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<v Speaker 3>which was much slower than people thought. We're also seeing

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<v Speaker 3>something that he didn't discuss, and I think most economic

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<v Speaker 3>projections are going to see robust economic growth for the

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<v Speaker 3>United States in twenty twenty six, but an almost jobless growth,

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<v Speaker 3>so economic growth without jobs growing, and that is something

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to haunt Trump a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve. All of this is gearing up for one big event,

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<v Speaker 2>as we know, the November mid terms. Now, the last

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<v Speaker 2>time Trump was president, the Republicans narrowly won the House,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was that big backlash on issues like abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the issues you think we should be looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this time round? What is it the Republicans will

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to drive home where they think they can

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<v Speaker 2>struct a win.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think the Republicans are going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>drive home the same messages that we heard in the

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<v Speaker 3>speech tonight. The Donald Trump is the savior of the

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<v Speaker 3>American worker by getting immigrants out of the country and

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<v Speaker 3>deporting so many people that the nation is allegedly more safe,

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<v Speaker 3>even though we've seen the kidnapping at least of Savannah

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<v Speaker 3>Guthrie's mother in Tucson, Arizona. People are talking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>are we rarely that safe? You know, with what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to have the Republicans trying to say that

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<v Speaker 3>the economy is still roaring back, and these are very

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<v Speaker 3>positive signals. But I think that they're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>trouble because what we see in polling right now is

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<v Speaker 3>frustration about ongoing you know, impressions of inflation, that the

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<v Speaker 3>cost of just surviving in America is going up, that

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<v Speaker 3>jobs are disappearing, that AI is coming on and displacing

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<v Speaker 3>lots of people, and they're not sure where that's going.

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<v Speaker 3>They see a government in WAYU. Washington obsessed with building

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<v Speaker 3>ballrooms and trophies that Donald Trump is putting his name on.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you see the Ice story, and the Ice

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<v Speaker 3>story has probably been the one that's most riveting. And

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<v Speaker 3>those videos of alex Pretty, a nurse essentially being murdered

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<v Speaker 3>by ICE agents, which led to the massive reaction. But

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<v Speaker 3>remember we not only had the murder, we had the

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary of Homeland Security and others looking at the video

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<v Speaker 3>and trying to gaslight Americans and say, oh, that's not

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<v Speaker 3>what happened. This was a radical waving a gun, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop

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<v Speaker 2>a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed

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<v Speaker 2>an act of domestic terrorism. That's the facts.

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<v Speaker 3>Those videos, in those statements are going to haunt every

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<v Speaker 3>Republican in every race. The question is it's easy for

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats to run against Trump right now and against those

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of policies. It's not clear what Democrats stand for,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that is going to be one of

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<v Speaker 3>the interesting questions. Is just being against those kind of

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<v Speaker 3>things enough? Is the way that he's scared the Hispanic

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<v Speaker 3>community from showing up places? Is that going to be enough?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that right now it's not looking good

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<v Speaker 3>for Republicans for the House and maybe even the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would say the Senate's tough for Democrats to win,

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<v Speaker 3>but there is a path. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>you look at Senate leadership and what they stand for,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's very hard to define what their message is.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, Thanks for chatting with us, my pleasure. Also in

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<v Speaker 2>the news, the evacuation of the Prime Minister from the

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<v Speaker 2>Lodge on Tuesday has been linked to the intimidation of

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<v Speaker 2>a classical Chinese dance group banned in China. The Shenyang Group,

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<v Speaker 2>which is due to tour Australia this month, was sent

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<v Speaker 2>a threatening email. It falsely claimed that explosives had been

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<v Speaker 2>placed around the PM's residence and would be detonated if

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<v Speaker 2>the shows went ahead. And New South Wales police are

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<v Speaker 2>set to patrol places of worship, protests and public buildings

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<v Speaker 2>after a unit created following the Bondai terror attack was

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<v Speaker 2>made permanent. About two hundred and fifty officers will make

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<v Speaker 2>up the dedicated hate crime unit, equipped with long armed

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<v Speaker 2>firearms and rapid response vehicles, but the greens worn it

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<v Speaker 2>could place protesters at risk of greater harm or violence.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole Johnston. This is seven AM. Thanks for listening