1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: From the newsroom and news still come today. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Good day there. I'm Andrew Buckalow. We have so many 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: interesting stories online for you right now in use dot 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: com and dot a you. I could list them all, 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: but I would be here for hours. So I'm going 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: to single that one in particular because I find preppers fascinating. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: You know what a prepper is, right, They're those people 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: who actively prepare for emergencies or disasters by stockpiling supplies 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: and developing survival skills. We'll get this. A very famous 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: actor has revealed that he's a prepper and he's now 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: living off the grid. 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: We live in a really delicate society where you know, 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 3: we lose our cell phones, We're all going to lose 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: our minds if the market crash. We can't get a 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: hold of we can't get our hands on fuel or food. 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 3: I just wanted a place to be able to get 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: away to until things get back to normal. 18 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: Who do you think it is? We'll tell you in 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: just a moment, and then we're going to take a 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: closer look at preppers, what they think might bring down society, 21 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: and what steps they've taken to prepare for the worst. 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: Joining me in this studio now is News dot com 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 2: dot US entertainment editor Nick Bond Today Nick Hi Bucky Nick, 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: a well known actor has left Hollywood to become a prepper. 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 4: Who is it? 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: That's right, So the actor Josh Duamel, who you may 27 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: know from movies like Transformers and win a date with 28 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: Tad Hamilton, but I know as the man who previously 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: dated Fergie from The Black Eyed peas a much more 30 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: important credit. He's fled Hollywood. Now, that's not actually to 31 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: get away from Fergie. He and his family are living 32 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: off the grid in Minnesota in a house that he 33 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: built himself over the course of the last fifteen years. 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: Now. 35 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: In an new interview with Parade Magazine, he described the 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: house as deep in the woods, removed from everything. The 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: closest store is forty miles away. Oh god, he says. 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: When you're out there, it's really about having fun, making 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: sure everybody's warm, everybody's got food and water, which sounds 40 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: like a very different definition of fun. 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 3: I agreed. 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Now, if this is all sounding a little bit unibomber, 43 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: a little bit the last of us, you're onto something there, 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: because he he is actually a self confessed doomsday prepper. 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: He said last year that he intends for the house 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: to be a safe haven for his family if things 47 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: do go south. He says he has a crazy fixation 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: on what would happen if the crap hits the fan 49 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: in la and he has to take his family out 50 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: there and live off the land. So he's growing crops 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: and he's learning how to hunt and fish. He says 52 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: he's not very good at it yet, but he's getting there. Well, 53 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: thank you very much, Nick. 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: I'll let you go back to work now because I 55 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: am joined on the line by an expert on the 56 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: topic of preppers. His name is doctor Tom Doig. He's 57 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: a lecturer from the University of Queensland and he's also 58 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 2: an investigative reporter who's currently working on a book called 59 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: We Are All Preppers Now. Gooday, doctor Tom good A 60 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: and juw from your experience, what motivates the majority of 61 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: people to become preppers? 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 5: Look, that's a really good question. I think what motivates 63 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 5: people in a general sense is pessimism about the future 64 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 5: and or an anxiety about the future. I feel like 65 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: I've talked to hundreds of preppers and there are probably 66 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 5: hundreds of different things They're worried about. 67 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 4: So a lot of people are worried about climate change. 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 5: Some people are worried about economic collapse, which is crazy, right, 69 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 5: Some people are worried about civil war. Some people are 70 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 5: worried about the fragility of global supply chains. And then 71 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 5: some people are worried about far more esoteric things like 72 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,279 Speaker 5: the Earth's magnetic poles reversing instantly and sending out massive tsunamis. 73 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 5: And some people are worried about sort of government conspiracies 74 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 5: and such. 75 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there are preppers all over the world, 76 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: but are some countries more popular for preppers than others, 77 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: maybe due to their location. 78 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: So look, I would say that prepping is. 79 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 5: And it's it's strongest and biggest in the States, right, 80 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 5: like it prepping when most people think of it as 81 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 5: a North American and state side thing, and it comes 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 5: out of like the Cold War and sort of like 83 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 5: fear about nuclear armageddon between Russia and the US. But 84 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: it also comes out of like older sort of like 85 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 5: self reliant traditions of wanting to be a you. 86 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: Know, rugged man alone and like I don't need the 87 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: state to look after me. 88 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: And then and then also out of kind of like 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 5: the far right, versions of that where it's like the 90 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 5: state is horrible and I hate it and I want 91 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 5: to just live with my family off in the wilderness 92 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 5: somewhere in Australia, in New Zealand, there are I think 93 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 5: much more milder versions of that, where people are maybe 94 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 5: you know, exposed to natural disasters fire and floods in Australia, 95 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 5: earthquakes in New Zealand and so like, being prepared for 96 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: those things makes a lot of sense, but it's a 97 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 5: lot less militant. 98 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: Right. America is full of guns. 99 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 5: If the grid went down in America, there would be 100 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 5: a lot of people potentially shooting each other because there 101 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 5: are so many guns. 102 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: If the grid went down in Australia. 103 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 5: People aren't going to shoot each other because they just 104 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 5: don't have the firepower. So it would actually be a 105 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 5: lot less scary, would be the disaster movie in Australia 106 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 5: would be a lot less Heady. 107 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: You've met so many preppers over the years, As you've said, 108 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: what was the Well, who is the most extreme one 109 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: you've ever met? 110 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: Tell me about them? 111 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 5: So probably the most amazing prepper I met. I was 112 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 5: in the USA last year. I met a guy at 113 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 5: a Minnesota prepper expo called Rory Skulls, who lives in 114 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 5: a log cabin up near the Canadian border that him 115 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: and his wife built by hand when they were in 116 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 5: their twenties, and he's. 117 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: Basically lived off grid for the last twenty years. 118 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 5: They harvest wild rice from the Minnesota Lakes, They forage 119 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 5: wild berries and kayaks. They have livestock that they raise 120 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 5: on the property, and he also is a very good 121 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 5: aim and he has a perimeter set up around his 122 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 5: little hut. 123 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: This was in about July last year. 124 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 5: He told me that he didn't expect American society to 125 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 5: still be functioning by New Year's so luckily he was 126 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 5: a little bit premature with that, but maybe not by much. 127 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: But yeah. 128 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 5: He told me that he had lots of friends who 129 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 5: were not full preppers, and they'd send him email saying, oh, 130 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 5: when everything collapses, I'll come and stay at your place, 131 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 5: and that he was drafting an email in his head 132 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 5: at least hadn't go around to writing it that was 133 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 5: going to be like, if you turn up at my 134 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 5: doorstep expecting help, you have to know that I am 135 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 5: going to be a warlord and it's my way or 136 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 5: the highway. 137 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: It will not be a democracy or consensus. 138 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: I will be the patriarch and you will basically be 139 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 5: my slave. 140 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 4: But he was also kind of like a really lovely. 141 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 5: Guy, you know, and he had like long dread and 142 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 5: came out of quite a sort of far left hippie. 143 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: Youth. 144 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 5: At least he used to be sort of like an 145 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 5: anti globalization protester, but over the years, and especially over 146 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 5: COVID had really radicalized and gone quite far right, quite 147 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 5: anti VAX. 148 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: When I think of doomsday preppers, I tend to think 149 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: of people living in bunkers under the ground, or at 150 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: least having bunkers prepared filled with canned food that's going 151 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: to last them twenty or thirty years. Have you come 152 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: across any who have these bunkers. 153 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: Look, I've been to bunkers in the States. 154 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 5: I've been to like repurposed military bunkers in South Dakota, 155 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: and so those bunkers do exist, and I think in 156 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 5: the UK there are some bunkers like that. In Australia 157 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 5: and New Zealand, I think the bunk thing is not 158 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 5: so big. If you've got a bunker, it's more likely 159 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 5: to be for fire reasons. 160 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: A friend of mine. 161 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 5: Who's a prepper academic as well. Jordan McKenzie from the 162 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 5: University of Woollongong made the good point that Australia just 163 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: doesn't really have basements like it's got hard, dry ground 164 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 5: and so underground survival isn't much of a thing for us. 165 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 5: In the first place. We're a long way away from 166 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 5: the threat of nuclear fallout, so that culture isn't there. 167 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: But I do feel like one way to think of. 168 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 5: It, say, if you think about rural New Zealand, if 169 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 5: you've got a property in the middle of nowhere in 170 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 5: the high country of the South Island of New Zealand, 171 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 5: there's a very small difference between it being above ground 172 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 5: or partly underground or fully underground. Right geography is the bunker, 173 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 5: as Bradley Garrett, who wrote a book about bunkers said, 174 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 5: But I went actually, when I was in the States, 175 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 5: I went to Roswell, New Mexico with Bradley Garrett and 176 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: we stayed in the Airbnb bunker in Roswell, New Mexico, 177 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 5: in a decommissioned nucular missile silo. 178 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: What it was all like, it was awesome, man, it 179 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: was awesome. It wasn't cheap. I think it was about 180 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 4: five or six hundred dollars US. 181 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: But it was all tricked out with kind of like 182 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 5: Cold war paraphernalia time Life magazines from the seventies, Like 183 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: the rubbish bin was the shape of a nuclear bomb. 184 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 5: There were lots of gas masks and like Russian fairy 185 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 5: hats and stuff, and yeah, and you could you could 186 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 5: actually go down into the sort of remains of a 187 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: you know, two hundred meter missile silo that had kind 188 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 5: of rusted out spiral staircases and stuff, and a literal 189 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 5: nuclear weapon used to sit there for a couple of 190 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 5: years in the sixties. That is crazy, But funnily enough, 191 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 5: the guy who owns the place, he was like, I'm 192 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 5: not a prepper, I just really really like U. 193 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: Killer bunkers because he was an Air Force guy. 194 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you've met so many preppers over the years. 195 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: Has it inspired you to make a plan and learn 196 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: some skills in case something does go wrong? 197 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: Oh? 198 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: Mate, Look, I go around in circles with this. 199 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 5: When I was living in New Zealand during COVID, I 200 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 5: definitely had quite a few cans and I started colecting 201 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 5: machetes and this kind of thing. 202 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: But to be honest. 203 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 5: When I think about the really serious social collapse scenarios, 204 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 5: right like safe global trade of food just completely falls 205 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 5: apart and there's bread basket failure and people are starving 206 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 5: and dying in the streets. I just want to have 207 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 5: a party with my friends and go out laughing. 208 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: I don't. 209 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 5: I don't want to be hiding from my neighbors for years. 210 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 5: I don't want to have to be like hacking my 211 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 5: neighbors with a machete to survive. 212 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 4: I don't. 213 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 5: I don't want to live in some horrible dystopian movie 214 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: or computer game. 215 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: That's not me. So I just want to like enjoy 216 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: life right now. And if there's tiny. 217 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 5: Things I can do to keep society functioning, like vote 218 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 5: for wholesome politicians and get involved in like volunteering like that, 219 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: that's my that's my bad, because I just the opportunity cost. 220 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: It's just not worth it to survive in some ruined apocalypse. 221 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: Well that was Dr Tom Doyg, elector from the University 222 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: of Queensland. Stick around, guys. In just a moment, we'll 223 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: be joined by an actual prepper from New South Wales. 224 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: Welcome back time now to meet Paul. He is a 225 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: prepper from New South Wales. Paul, thanks for joining me. 226 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: Tell me how did you get interested in the world 227 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: of prepping? 228 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 6: How interested in prepping? Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent 229 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 6: sure what led me to it, other than the way 230 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: that I can figure out is it might be where 231 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 6: I grew up. So I grew up in a small 232 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 6: town in South Africa, but I didn't have a very 233 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 6: camping family, so we were indoor cats. And then I 234 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 6: grew up and I got my degrees, and I'm not 235 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 6: very well educated. And when I got educated, I realized 236 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 6: if the supermarkets ran out of food or taller paper, 237 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 6: I wouldn't know which tree to find to find the 238 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 6: year of the paper, park, that's the software, those sorts 239 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 6: of usage. So it led to a whole bunch of 240 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 6: outdoor courses where I learned some interesting things like I 241 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 6: never expected to have to learn what food you can forage, 242 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 6: what's safety forage, what books you need to actually lean. 243 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 6: It's like there's no degree on that to be able 244 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 6: to learn this information. 245 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: Are you just doing this just in case, you know, 246 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: in case something goes wrong, or you actually worried that 247 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: society could break down in the not too distant future. 248 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 6: The way that I'm thinking about it because I I 249 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 6: guess the teacher Mussian history stuff. I'm always thinking about. 250 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 6: You know, it's the rise and fall of society. So 251 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 6: it's not a case of I'm thinking it's all going 252 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 6: to break down and be terrible. But I know at 253 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 6: any time in any country it can degrade. 254 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: You said that you've done some courses. What have you 255 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: learned to do? Like, run me through your skills? 256 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 7: Now, okay, so my favorite one is actually bush food. 257 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 7: So so bush Talker books or bush Tucker information. I 258 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 7: mean scared my my outfiance. 259 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 6: When we're first going out because we walked past a 260 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 6: bush said, I know what it is, it's Lenandrew long 261 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 6: and folio. I oh, it's tasty, and I just picked 262 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 6: a little seed off it and. 263 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: Hate it. 264 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 6: And she's thinking, oh no, what are you doing your mud? 265 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 6: And then so it's turned into a real appreciation and 266 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 6: a love of, you know, just our connection to the world. 267 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: It's simply so you're a bush food expert. 268 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Now what else can you do? I assume you can 269 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: start a fire. You feel like you could survive, you know, 270 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: out in the wilderness on your own for what weeks, 271 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: months on end. 272 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be pretty calm. 273 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 6: I mean, look at you say fire all those things. 274 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 6: My first thought was water, right, So it's knowing where 275 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 6: you can collect water and how you can make the 276 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 6: water safe to drink and I mean look good. Whenever 277 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 6: we do outdoor course, it's almost like we do how 278 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 6: to start a fire doing the rolling six together methods. 279 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 6: But that's more of. 280 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 4: It's an extra. 281 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I needed thing if you don't have anything, 282 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 6: but a bit more of a gimmick for most because 283 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 6: we have little fire seals, and most of us have 284 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 6: a wave starting a fire or with this when they 285 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 6: go on the bush. 286 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: I've been reading a little bit about preppers and a 287 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: lot of them tend to talk about bug out bags. 288 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: Bags they have full of equipment in case something goes wrong, 289 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: like there is a nuclear disaster or something. Do you 290 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: have one? And what's in your bug out bag? 291 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 6: I mean, first thing I think about is first aid 292 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: and essentially foods that can foods that can blast the 293 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 6: wrong time, and my outdoor kit, so you've got a 294 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 6: little survival kit that has like my how to sell 295 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 6: a button or start a fire, like all the things 296 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 6: that you'd need. A signaling mirror. Also the purified water stuff, 297 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 6: because yes, you can boil the water, but forking out 298 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 6: a bit of money and getting something like a Solier 299 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 6: filter or a uv shulter. We just stick then this 300 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 6: little white pan in the water and clean the pool water. 301 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: It is quite useful. 302 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: I've got a hypothetical for you now, Paul. Let's say 303 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: there is some kind of attack from overseas. The city 304 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: is no longer safe to stay in. We get the 305 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: news alert to abandon your homes if necessary. What do 306 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: you do on that day? 307 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 6: First of all, I would get done what you would 308 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 6: deem my bug app bag. But basically it's more so 309 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 6: things like being in Australia. I've got like the snake 310 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 6: by Pamages. 311 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: It is things like that. 312 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 6: I get that ready to keep that with me geffre 313 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 6: drive from our family lives just outside of Sydney. I'd 314 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 6: go and collect them and then take them to my 315 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 6: friend's farm, which is a few hours out of Sydney. 316 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it sounds like you're pretty well prepared, Paul. 317 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: So if the shit does hit the fan, you can't 318 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: expect a call from me. Thanks so much for chatting. 319 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: That's such, that's it for today's episode. Thank you so 320 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: much for listening. 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