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Speaker 1: of course it is. It's Stiff, it's Tarps, it's Mark,

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Speaker 1: it's Us, it's you. It's another installment of you know

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. I was Joe Rogan's eight years ago. Mark BURRETTA, Hi, Hey, great,

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Speaker 1: Hey Tiff, Hey mar thanks for coming on to you project.

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Speaker 1: How many times a week do you do a podcast interview?

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Speaker 1: Typically one, none fifty.

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Speaker 2: everything another Formula one guys do it pretty much. Everyone

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Speaker 2: different sports use that machine, but particularly in motorsport. You

431
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Speaker 2: know everyone supercars, you know they trained that a lot,

432
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Speaker 2: which is good.

433
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Speaker 1: Who do you reckon? I mean this is I asked

434
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Speaker 1: this to athletes. Well, I haven't asked this question. Actually

435
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Speaker 1: we interviewed Kurt Fernley Estate. Oh great legend, that dude,

436
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Speaker 1: My goodness, yeah, he him and my mum the two

437
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: toughest people I know. Like I reckon, Mary would crawl

438
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Speaker 1: Kakoda with him if he gave her a chance. But

439
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Speaker 1: you think about that, like he literally he literally crawled

440
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Speaker 1: ninety six kilometers. And I was thinking today without using

441
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Speaker 1: your legs, like you know, when we think crawling, we

442
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Speaker 1: think hands and knees. Well, he can't even do that

443
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Speaker 1: because he literally he didn't really crawl. He dragged himself

444
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Speaker 1: for ninety six kilometers if you think about And I

445
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Speaker 1: was thinking, I was trying to get my head around

446
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Speaker 1: that this morning, and I was I was thinking to myself,

447
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Speaker 1: what would it be like my body, which is not tiny,

448
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Speaker 1: but to drag myself by my elbows and hands ninety

449
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Speaker 1: six meters not ninety six kilometers. I thought I would

450
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Speaker 1: probably be saw for three days. I'd be saw for

451
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Speaker 1: three days if I got one hundred meter running track

452
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Speaker 1: came back four meters and I pulled myself by my

453
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Speaker 1: arms with no assistant from my lower body and then

454
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Speaker 1: times that by a thout, and then do it in mud,

455
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Speaker 1: and then do it uphills, and then do it in humidity,

456
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Speaker 1: and then do it with mosquitos and.

457
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Speaker 2: Shit and rocks and tree stumps and branches and you know,

458
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Speaker 2: I stuff. It's not all beautifully manicured grass the cocater

459
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Speaker 2: trail apparently.

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Speaker 1: So mate, there are levels, aren't there? Who do you?

461
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Speaker 1: And I mean this is just an opinion, This is

462
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Speaker 1: not science or research. But I mean, you've been watching athletes.

463
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Speaker 1: You were an elite athlete. I want to talk about

464
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Speaker 1: your stuff too, because that's fascinating as well. But you've

465
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Speaker 1: been around athletes your whole life, and you've been watching

466
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Speaker 1: sport and commentating a lot of your life. Who do

467
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Speaker 1: you think of the mentally toughest athletes slash sports men

468
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Speaker 1: and women going around? And I know this is like

469
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Speaker 1: how long is a piece of string? And what's your

470
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Speaker 1: favorite ice cream? So you don't need to be right

471
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Speaker 1: or wrong.

472
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Speaker 2: Let me let me give you some as they come

473
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Speaker 2: to mind. At the moment, I would say, Ash Barty

474
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Speaker 2: is unbelievable. She's one of the even despite twenty five,

475
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Speaker 2: twenty six, she's one of the most mature switched on

476
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Speaker 2: strong sports people I have ever come across like she

477
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Speaker 2: just you talk to her and you just go, wow,

478
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Speaker 2: you know, she's just got it all going man. So yeah,

479
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Speaker 2: I think her mental toughness is fantastic. You know, she

480
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: can really slug it out and then she can go

481
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Speaker 2: through it in a tough match and regroup and have

482
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Speaker 2: herself back again. But she doesn't get distracted. You know,

483
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Speaker 2: she's got awesome focus, and she's built a team around

484
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Speaker 2: her who compliment that, which is really impressive. Tough tough competitors.

485
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Speaker 2: But a tough competitor is an interesting thing because you

486
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Speaker 2: do I think, you know, you can be mister nicey.

487
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Speaker 2: Craig Lounds is probably a good example of that. You know,

488
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Speaker 2: here's Captain Smiley good times. You know, just you couldn't

489
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Speaker 2: imagine that he would. You know, he did bump you

490
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Speaker 2: off a racetrack when he gets on the track and

491
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Speaker 2: he's racing. Man, he is the most ruthless driver, and

492
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Speaker 2: that I love that. It's great. Mark Skaife was another

493
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Speaker 2: one who was just a tough competitor and you've got

494
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Speaker 2: to I think to a certain point you've got to

495
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Speaker 2: have a bit of that mongle you've got to, you know,

496
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Speaker 2: you've got to when you cross that line, when you

497
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Speaker 2: get on the field or on the racetrack or whatever.

498
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Speaker 2: You know, it's got to be to you life and death.

499
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Speaker 2: You know, it's got to be everything at that time,

500
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Speaker 2: and you've got to put aside every distraction that you

501
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Speaker 2: have and you've got to give it you one hundred

502
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Speaker 2: percent focus. Samantha Kerr strikes me as someone who does

503
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Speaker 2: that really well too. You know, Sam Kerr when she's

504
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Speaker 2: on a football field, while she's just going Tim kale

505
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Speaker 2: just while I'm on football. You know, Tim Calee was

506
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Speaker 2: a good tough nut as well. You know, he just

507
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Speaker 2: just really got in and got the job done. And

508
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Speaker 2: the interesting thing is, I think you see, you just

509
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Speaker 2: see the results that these people are getting, and it

510
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Speaker 2: just tells you that to me, these are athletes who

511
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Speaker 2: tick all the boxes.

512
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Speaker 1: So they do the.

513
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Speaker 2: Work, they do the preparation. They arrived there in the

514
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Speaker 2: best shape they can be, They're well rested, their nutrition's done,

515
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Speaker 2: they ticked everything on the way in. When it comes

516
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Speaker 2: time to actually go and they are mentally they are

517
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Speaker 2: going to win. Like they have the mindset that if

518
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Speaker 2: you are in my way, you're my opposition, and I

519
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Speaker 2: will remove you because I am going to win this

520
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Speaker 2: no matter what. And you know you're saying Bolt was

521
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Speaker 2: another great one like that, you know what, incredible self

522
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: confidence and ability, you know, and just belief in yourself

523
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Speaker 2: and just knowing that you know you were going to

524
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Speaker 2: step out there and get it done. And the thing is,

525
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Speaker 2: these people often make it look so easy that you

526
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Speaker 2: think that they don't care and they don't prepare. I

527
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Speaker 2: guarantee you as you would know, Craig, they prepare harder

528
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Speaker 2: than anyone, you know, because it is it means something

529
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Speaker 2: to them. And I see that watching, you know, watching

530
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Speaker 2: kids come up through the ranks. Now you can tell

531
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Speaker 2: pretty soon sometimes it changes a little bit and you

532
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Speaker 2: get it wrong, but you can just see the kids

533
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Speaker 2: that are really you know that they've got it. You

534
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Speaker 2: know they've just there's something here that clicks. Yeah, you know,

535
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Speaker 2: I am in this race and I want to win

536
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Speaker 2: it and it means a lot to me, and I'm

537
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Speaker 2: going to win it.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting and it's like you you would have

539
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Speaker 1: been around athletes growing up, being an athlete yourself, But

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Speaker 1: I've been around athletes my whole life. I played sport

541
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Speaker 1: from when I was fourteen. I wasn't particularly good, which

542
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Speaker 1: is why I ended up coaching people because I was

543
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Speaker 1: a shit athlete, you know, super enthusiastic though Mark, Yeah,

544
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Speaker 1: well I was the fattest kid in the school for

545
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Speaker 1: a minute, so that didn't help. Apparently I'm carrying around

546
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Speaker 1: ninety kilos when you're fourteen. It's not your ideal genetic start.

547
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Speaker 1: But you know, I met lots of people and like

548
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Speaker 1: I worked at some Kilda for four years, the footy club,

549
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Speaker 1: and I remember meeting obviously I'm not going to say

550
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Speaker 1: who they were, but young guys who would come in

551
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Speaker 1: and I would do the testing. They were bloody amazing

552
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Speaker 1: that their strength, they're running their five k, their repeated sprint,

553
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Speaker 1: their you know, their beep test, like that test off

554
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Speaker 1: the charts, and you go, well, these are some good genetics.

555
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Speaker 1: This is a good body. You know, if he's got

556
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Speaker 1: half a football brain, he could be the next big

557
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Speaker 1: thing and they'd be, you know, from our physiological point

558
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Speaker 1: of view, potentially amazing, but just not the mind and

559
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily just not a footy brain. That's part of

560
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Speaker 1: it sometimes, but just not that preparedness to hurt, like

561
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Speaker 1: can you get in pain and stay there and get

562
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Speaker 1: there often? And can you work when you're in pain?

563
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about stupid, ridiculous pain, but just like

564
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Speaker 1: how uncomfortable can you get and stay and for how long?

565
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Speaker 1: Because that's going to because all these other guys and girls,

566
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Speaker 1: depending on the sport, they're also very good. So if

567
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Speaker 1: you can't hurt yourself and keep hurting yourself in a

568
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Speaker 1: productive way, you're not going to get there. And I

569
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Speaker 1: saw lots of guys that I thought would be once

570
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Speaker 1: I tested them, I thought they're probably going to be

571
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Speaker 1: superstars who literally played three games.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well why did you talk football? And other names?

573
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Speaker 2: I've been doing a bit of bike riding with him.

574
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Speaker 1: Is Tony Lockett, my trained plugger.

575
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Speaker 4: He hated me, and no he didn't. He hated me

576
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Speaker 4: and he hated the gym. He's like, fuck the bench, breass,

577
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Speaker 4: fuck your ways. He's like he was, but such a

578
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Speaker 4: good dude though, Yeah, go.

579
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Speaker 2: On, have you seen him lately?

580
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Speaker 1: Because he is an athlete, you obviously got through to him.

581
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Speaker 2: Because he is in such good nick. If he had

582
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Speaker 2: been in that shape when he was playing, he would

583
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Speaker 2: have done even even more amazing things. But his mental

584
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: ability to just switch on and not be beaten. I

585
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Speaker 2: think the thing about Plugger is he has this this

586
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Speaker 2: thing in here that says, you are not going to

587
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Speaker 2: beat me, you know. And I had a fun experience

588
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Speaker 2: a few years ago. I got to toss the coin

589
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Speaker 2: at the SCG at the start of the Swans and

590
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Speaker 2: Geelong match. And I know Joel Selwood and Goodsy really well,

591
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Speaker 2: and so we got out there to toss the coin

592
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Speaker 2: and I looked at these two guys toss the coin,

593
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: looked at them both and I have never seen those

594
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Speaker 2: blokes look like that, like they they would go to war.

595
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Speaker 2: And I didn't know that either of them had it

596
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Speaker 2: in them. But you look at Joel Sellwood and what

597
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: he does on the free field. Sometimes that guy can

598
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Speaker 2: have a lead chopped off and he'd still be running

599
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: rings around his opposition. A number of times they have

600
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Speaker 2: reband each he's bleeding head and send him back out there,

601
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: and he still does incredible things leading that team. You know.

602
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Speaker 2: It's just I don't know what it is. If you

603
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Speaker 2: can find it, Craig and define it and bottle it.

604
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Speaker 2: But that thing, that instinct that just makes people incredible,

605
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: incredible competitors and that want to get the job done.

606
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Speaker 2: And you see, I mean you see it in all

607
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: walks of life too. You're see it in sales, you

608
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: see it in seed, in defense, in the army, just

609
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: blokes will just go the extra mile to make sure

610
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Speaker 2: that the job's done and that there's no way that

611
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: job's not getting done. But it's a great gift. I

612
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: think it's a really I find it probably the most

613
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Speaker 2: admirable gift someone that ability to get in and saying this,

614
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Speaker 2: I've got this and I am doing it.

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00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: We just did. Where I'm doing my PhD, there was

616
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: there was just a great big research project done on

617
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: what they call cognitive fitness and and a lot of

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00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: it was around being able to perform under pressure, so

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Speaker 1: whether or not that's as an elite athlete or in

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Speaker 1: the military or you know, first responders, or in other words,

621
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Speaker 1: being able to keep your shit together work optimally when

622
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: things are really hard like and there's another there's a

623
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Speaker 1: really nice kind of concept of this in Eastern philosophy

624
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Speaker 1: called equanimity, which is being the calm and the chaos.

625
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Speaker 1: And somebody who used to do that really well that

626
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Speaker 1: I worked with, which you would be very familiar with

627
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Speaker 1: was Robert Harvey, who who I you know, I was,

628
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Speaker 1: I trained, had nothing to do with me, but I

629
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Speaker 1: was just lucky enough to be training him when he

630
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Speaker 1: wanted his two brownlows. Again, zero to do with me.

631
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Speaker 1: I just happened to be at the club. But he

632
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: he just had an ability like I would look at

633
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Speaker 1: him and I know how far he's run, I know

634
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Speaker 1: how I know how many tackles he's later, I Miami kicks,

635
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I know what his data is at the moment, and

636
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Speaker 1: I'm going, how on earth is he still running? And

637
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: I'd look at him and go, that's it. He's done.

638
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: He's dead, he's off. He's sprinting at one hundred and

639
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: six percent. But we all used to see him hunched

640
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: over like someone with Himphasema, who was gasping for air.

641
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: And like twelve seconds later he was running at MAC

642
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: two chasing someone. Not that he was the fastest unit

643
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Speaker 1: by all means, but he still ran twenty k's a

644
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Speaker 1: day a game.

645
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it is. It's an incredible thing. It's yeah,

646
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: as I say it, just it's a thing that I

647
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: probably I find most attractive about sport is to see

648
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: people just go to their limit and beyond like that.

649
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just because you.

650
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Can see it. You can see what it's happening, you know,

651
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: and you just you just admire it, you know. I

652
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: just love it. And we're lucky. We see it a lot,

653
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: you know. You see it in plenty of people, which

654
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: is great.

655
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: I now I'm not all over this, but I do

656
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: know that you do have a You were an elite

657
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: water skier, that's all I know. I know that you

658
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: were very You were in a multiple Australian chair. I actually

659
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: don't have this in front of me, but you were

660
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: a multiple Australian champion, weren't you.

661
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: I won won ten Australian championships. Yeah, and I did

662
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: eight member Masters and made the finals there four times.

663
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: But I loved it. Mum and Dad they were they

664
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: loved water skiing when I was They taught me to

665
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: ski when I was four, before I could even swim.

666
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: Dad put a life jacket on me. And to be sure,

667
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: because I couldn't swim, you put a second life jacket

668
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: on the front of me, so I went on the

669
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: back one on the front, so I bobbed up and

670
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 2: down like Dennis Committee's cork in the ocean, the metaphoric

671
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: cork in the ocean. Every time he said that, I

672
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: thought of myself as a four year old. But and

673
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: then I learned to ski and I just I just

674
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: loved it. I think I loved you just the rush

675
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: of a being on the water and the speed of

676
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: the thing, and like I guess, like a lot of

677
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: people who get involved in sport, you just you just

678
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: keep going, and you know, one day you get to

679
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: a point where it's all going all right, and yeah,

680
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: you've come a long way. And I've just really enjoyed

681
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: the sport. It gave me my best mates today. Like

682
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, people say this about their footy or their

683
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: netball or whatever teams have been part of. But for me,

684
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: my best mates and old scheme buddies, you know, we

685
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: catch up. You know, we'll catch up maybe once a

686
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: year or so, and it's just like you never you've

687
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: never been a part. So the sport was great for

688
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: me and I love it and it's a it's a

689
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: great family sport because for me, the good thing about

690
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: it is you have to have other people there to

691
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: do it, so you know, people in the boat and

692
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: you need people around you. So that was it was awesome.

693
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: I loved it.

694
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: How how old were you when you started competing, Pretz.

695
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: I remember I was eight years old when I got

696
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: mom and dad sent me away to a training camp.

697
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: The Victory and Association did a training camp a Bridgewater

698
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: just outside to Go and I went to that and

699
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: I was so bloody homesick every.

700
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Day, princess.

701
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: And then about the third night I fell out of

702
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: the bunk in the caravan. That was going really.

703
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Well, I shouldn't laugh, but anyway, but that explains a

704
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: few cognitive issues down the track, right exactly.

705
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: But look at and then gosh, I think I waited

706
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: to make state teen when I was fourteen thirteen. I'm

707
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: still doing it junior boys. Yeah, and won my first

708
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: national title I think in Adelaide at Paddle alonga National Titles.

709
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: That was nineteen eighty.

710
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, coming out, this is something that me, as

711
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: an XCISE scientist, have never thought about. TOI right now,

712
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna you're going to tell me what from

713
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: a physiological point of view, body strength, endurance, balance, coordination,

714
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: spatial awareness, apart from innate talent, what makes someone great

715
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: at what you did? And I know you're going to

716
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: be humble and stuff. But you're untended by the Australian titles.

717
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: So we know you were shiitt. That's okay, what like

718
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: and training and all that and resources, We get all

719
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: of that, but what are the physical requirements just broadly

720
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: for someone to be great at that?

721
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: So I don't want to talk this up right, but

722
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I have done. As you know, I've

723
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: dabbled in a lot of sport. I've never done anything

724
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: as physically taxing a scheme skiing because your legs are

725
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: working hard, your back's working hard, your arms are working hard.

726
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: I just found there was nothing else that gave you

727
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 2: the full body workout like scheme, and I still haven't

728
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: found it. Because you know, you've actually a tuggle wall

729
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: with the boat the whole time. That's that's what it is.

730
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: You know, you're sort of you're backing that leaning position

731
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: away from the boat because to generate speed, you lead

732
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: away from the boat and that gives you your acceleration.

733
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: So the whole time you're basically just fighting against the boats.

734
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: It's basically a tug of war for you know whatever,

735
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: five to ten minutes whatever you're out there. So I

736
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: think you're probably you've got a good all round build,

737
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: you know you certainly shoulder strength. Back strength is a

738
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: big thing, and cardio as well, because you know you're

739
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: doing if you if you're going well in slalom, which

740
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: is the six boy course, and then when you make that,

741
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: the rape gets short and you come back again, so

742
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: you can keep doing that for sort of four or

743
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: five runs. See cardio gets a good workout. Jumping was

744
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: a jumping was all power. Jumping is a power sport.

745
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: Jumping's terrifying. Keep that.

746
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, I think today at fifty five, I look

747
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: back and I think, how did I do that? I

748
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: was I thinking, because it is now there's a bit

749
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: of risk to it. And luckily I never had a

750
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: bad accident, but I've got some mates who did, and

751
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was just one of those

752
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: things that you just did. You know. I learned to

753
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: go over a jump ramp when I was eight years

754
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: old at that that ski school outside bender Game, and

755
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: it took me a week to actually to away from

756
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: a jump, and it was terrifying because at eight years

757
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: of age, you're skiing up something that's more than twice

758
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: your height. So it's just it's terrific, but god, it's satisfying.

759
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: And when you when you nailed the right jump, it

760
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: was it was the greatest. And when you're on the

761
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: Yarrow under lights in the night jump a bit and

762
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: there's one hundred thousand people there and they're yelling out

763
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: and the music's cranking, there's not many better feelings in

764
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: the world, I reckon.

765
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you think how many athletes get to do

766
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: their thing in front of one hundred thousand people, apart

767
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: from you know, even some of the best athletes in

768
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: the world, and you know, the best surfers on the

769
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: planet never surf in front of one hundred thousand people.

770
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, that tournament I remember, was a

771
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: just extraordinary thing. It was the biggest ski tournament in

772
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: the world. And it just so happens that it started

773
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties on the Yarraw and it just

774
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: just kept going and growing, and you know it had

775
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean for a while it was this and that's

776
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: a big part of how I got to seven. Member

777
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: was Seven's longest running continuous broadcast for up until sort

778
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: of you know, I think it was ten years ago.

779
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: They didn't go on with it, but you know I was.

780
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: It had been on TV in Melbourne for a long

781
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: long time and you know, the sport grew. We used

782
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: to have a celebrity slam on event and a lot

783
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: of the footy players would come down and have a ski.

784
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: Johnny Platten from Hawthorne was a great little sylum skier

785
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: because most of the guys you know, had sort of

786
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: grown up around Rivers and now a lot of guys

787
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: from a Choker and you know, from South Australia and

788
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: they just they knew how to ski and they were good.

789
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: So we had a great little event there with those guys.

790
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: I think about think about this Tiff and Mark but

791
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: Tips a trainer and a bit of a fitness bunny

792
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: and a guru. When you're skiing, right, you are unless

793
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: I fuck this up? Correct me? Mark, but so he

794
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: needs avent. You need a inflection the whole time, right

795
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Obviously you're not. You don't have straight legs, so you're

796
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: in a semi squat the whole time, and so your

797
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: quads and your glutes and your ass. Yeah, your hammies

798
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: are under tension the whole like there's no reprieve.

799
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: It's like their shock absorbers. Your legs your shock absorbers.

800
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: So when you're cutting back and forward, you're hitting the

801
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: boat's wake and your legs have got it suck up

802
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: that shock each time, and then the whole time, as

803
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: I said, you're back in that arch position with your back,

804
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: using your shoulders and your back to get you accelerated

805
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: across the wake, and we would hit that. Remember you'd

806
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: hit the jump ramp at just over one hundred k's

807
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: an hour, so you know the boat to be doing

808
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: is about fifty six fifty eight, and then you know

809
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: you would almost double that by cutting backwards and forwards

810
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: behind the boats wake, so you generate this whiplash effect

811
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: that eventually would get you onto the ramp about one

812
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: hundred ks an hour. It was done, real exhilaration. I

813
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: miss it.

814
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I'll never do it again once again. Fuck that.

815
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: Keep.

816
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. How when was the last time you're on

817
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: a pair of skis doing something more sedentary?

818
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: We have to go to this lot, okay, so last time? Right?

819
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: Oh here we go. Come on, hey, everyone, get the

820
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: bean bag out, beat up. This is going to be good.

821
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Get comfy.

822
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: I've gone out and I'm up in Queensland and I've

823
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: gone to there's an awesome water skir called Emma.

824
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Shears before you tell us. She didn't let you go

825
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: get in the way, did you.

826
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: Big Tom, big time. I love that. There's a few

827
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: people there, and I'm thinking I'm going to I'm going

828
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: to put on with Michelle here. So I've gone out

829
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: a sylum course. I'm going all right, I'm ripping into it.

830
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: And and I missed my second, my second last run.

831
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: I missed the last boy, and Emma said to me,

832
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: come on, you know, pussy, you have a bit of

833
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: a go there, right. So I've come out of lasting right,

834
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: and I've done probably I'm in heaven. It's paradise. I'm

835
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: having probably the best run I've had in like twenty years.

836
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: I get to the fourth boy the Salem course, and

837
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, my front, yeah, it's on my

838
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: bat name, and the left nee goes clunk, like just

839
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: a just a bought clunk cent. I think that was weird.

840
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: And I'm lying in the water and I've sort of

841
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: got no control over it. I jump up on the

842
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: boat and I sat on the back of the boat

843
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: and I fell out. So I had sort of no

844
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: control of the knee and what I'd done was I'd

845
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: actually pulled the quad muscle off the barn. Oh yeah, yeah,

846
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: So if you can relate to that injury, it's about

847
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: a twelve months recovery. So I flew back down to Melbourne,

848
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: went into went straight into Rayal off Shaw Hospital and

849
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: found a great surgeon who reattached it and began a

850
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: long process for that one you're in, you're in a split.

851
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: I was in a split zero movement for six weeks

852
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: and then you start rehabit. It's just like all the injuries.

853
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: It's sort of you know, five degrees, ten degrees, fifteen,

854
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: and it just takes forever.

855
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: And I bet when you came out of that cast

856
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: you looked like my mum.

857
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: But it was some Yeah, I was being silly, but

858
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: that's a good lesson.

859
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: That's a great story though. But I've not heard of

860
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: too many people tearing so obviously at the knee, not

861
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: at the hip. So it off at the knee, so

862
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: the tell attendon correct yep.

863
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: And actually shattered the kneecaps. I broke the kneecap as well,

864
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: So if you imagine it's it's sort of lost control

865
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: and just just pumped through the kneecap as well, which

866
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: was great. I felt good.

867
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can imagine I bet you were just

868
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: I bet you a love and life.

869
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: You would know this though, Craig and people often told

870
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: me this, and it was my first knee injury, so

871
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I was new to it. But often the worst it

872
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: is the less it hurts. So it actually it wasn't

873
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: too bad that the pain until I got back on

874
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: sitting on the bank and I actually started to shake

875
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: and got the shock shakes and that's when I thought, Okay,

876
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: we better go to hospital and chick. Yeah, but that

877
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: was the whole adventure.

878
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was definitely worth asking that question. Good job, Harps.

879
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: I'll just pump up momentie and pat myself on the back.

880
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: Tell us about the first time that they went, all right, mate,

881
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: you're on National Telly tonight, don't fuck it up. Tell

882
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: us about that.

883
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. It would have been at seven Melbourne and I

884
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: would have been I was reading the news with a

885
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: guy called Dean Felt. It Mitch meet Peter Mitchell used

886
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: to do the weekend news before you know it took

887
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: over Monday to Friday, and Dean Felt and I were

888
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: rostered on which probably means it was probably Christmas Day

889
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: or something like that, and I was so I just

890
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: so wanted to do it, you know, I was so excited,

891
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: and I guess I should have been really nervous, and

892
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I just really wanted to have a go

893
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: at this thing because I'd watched it and watched it,

894
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: and I'd seen it and TV has just got a

895
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: magic thing for me, you know. I'm just I really

896
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: like the industry and I love there's just a magic

897
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: to it, you know, and it's something about it for me.

898
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: And maybe it's just I'm old school whatever, but I

899
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: just like TV. I'm obsessed by it and so to actually,

900
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: you know, to be doing that was it just blew

901
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: me away. And I have times now often, you know,

902
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: I regularly get very nervous about what I'm about to do.

903
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: And that's sort of what I've been there almost thirty

904
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty eight years at seven. Yeah, so you know,

905
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: you still get on edge of that stuff.

906
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: But I reckon that's good. I reckon that's good, mate,

907
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: because it means you don't have a massive ego, and

908
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: it means you, like I think I talk a lot

909
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: about you know, when I was a kid. I was

910
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: just this fat, insecure, overthinking kid that didn't fit in

911
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: and thought I wasn't good enough and imposter syndrome and

912
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: all that shit. And since then I've done okay, right,

913
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: I've done okay. I'm not amazing, but I've done okay

914
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: and done some good stuff. But I still feel that

915
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: self doubt, you know, And I still feel even talking

916
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: to you. You know, I talk to lots of great

917
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: people on this, and sometimes I go, am I smart

918
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: enough to talk to this? But am I worthy? Am I?

919
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: There's all that self doubt shit, and I think I

920
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: think a bit of you know, we don't want to

921
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: be overwhelmed, but I think a little bit of insecurity

922
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: and a little bit of it. Just for me, it

923
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: keeps me on my toes and it makes me, you know,

924
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: every podcast that I do, I want it to be

925
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: the best podcast I've done. You know it won't be,

926
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: but do you know what I mean. It's like I

927
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: never want a cruise. I never wanted to take it

928
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: for granted. I never you know, and whether or not

929
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: it's opening my gyms, or whether or not it's you know,

930
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing doing workshops and presentations, every time I

931
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: do a workshop, I'm grateful every audience. I'm grateful every

932
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: time i'm I go. I want this to be awesome

933
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: for them, and I think that I don't know, I

934
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: think being for me. This sounds contradictory, but I always

935
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: say that for people mediocrety was my gift because I

936
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't grow up being awesome at anything, but that not

937
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: being awesome at anything made me work really hard because

938
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: I wanted to be awesome or I wanted to be good.

939
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to be successful, I wanted to excel at something,

940
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: and you know, for me, it just instilled this thing

941
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: in me that I kind of figured out. Well, you know,

942
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: like even with this podcast Mark, we did three before

943
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: it that didn't work. You know, they're okay, but they

944
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: weren't setting the world on fire. And I kind of

945
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: figured out along the way, what's the formula or what

946
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: do people want? What don't people want? And we just

947
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: signed with Nova, which is great, and we're doing lovely

948
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: and the numbers are amazing and it's all awesome, but

949
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: we're nearly seven hundred episodes in. It's not like it

950
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: was an overnight thing, and so people go, oh, you

951
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: do an amazing. I'm like, well, yeah, all up. We've

952
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: done about a thousand episodes and now we're doing okay.

953
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you just persevere. You just

954
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: roll up the sleeves, you know. And what I love

955
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: about you and I'm not pissing in your pocket.

956
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: Like to you.

957
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. I've never met you, but you now which

958
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: I suspect. This is just how you are. If you

959
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: and I were having a coffee, I think you'd be

960
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: exactly the same. You're the same on Telly. Like with

961
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I get the vibe. There's a

962
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: bit of a persona. Some people seem to be just themselves,

963
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: very real, raw, authentic. And I can tell you fucking

964
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: love sport. You're not in there doing a job for

965
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: a paycheck like you love sport, You love athletes, you

966
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: love breaking it down. Especially when you're around the VH.

967
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: You're like a kid in a candy store.

968
00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: You know.

969
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: I go like, this is exactly what I expect. And

970
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: I think that's why people would, you know, be drawn

971
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: to you as a commentator and as an expert in

972
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: that space.

973
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: Thanks Craig. That's that's an awesome thing, man. That's probably

974
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: that's the kindest thing you could say to me.

975
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Actually, because it's true though I think, you know, yeah,

976
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: I do.

977
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: When I started this all those years ago, the one

978
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: thing I thought I could do is tell athletes stories,

979
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: because I felt like I had an appreciation or an understanding.

980
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: And that's always been to me, that's been the most

981
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: important thing, is to tell the story of the athlete

982
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: and what they're going through and what they've done to

983
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: get there. And you know, if you know, and that's

984
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: that's what gives your enthusiasm, you know, because God, I've

985
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: seen some great careers, you know, I've watched people, you know,

986
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: come from there their early days, just chipping away, chipping away,

987
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: and then make it and you know, and beyond, and

988
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 2: it's just it's the best thing. You know, it's just

989
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: just great. And I'm lucky to call you some of

990
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: some of our great sports people are mates, and you know,

991
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: it's a blessing because it's really hard because I'm so

992
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: in awe of them. My old man told me something

993
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: a long time ago. I remember, he was a tough

994
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: old plumber. He said to me, you might not be

995
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: the brightest person in the room, but you can always

996
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: be the hardest working person in the room and that

997
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: has stuck with me and I remember that every day.

998
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: You know, when your LAMB goes off at three thirty

999
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: five in the morning, you know that that's not for everyone.

1000
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: You know that's not always easy to get up and

1001
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: do that, but you know you do it because you

1002
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: go that extra yard, you know. And I love the

1003
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: job and I love I love Summrise, I love the show.

1004
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: I love actually being up in the morning and doing

1005
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. I love being sort of first with the

1006
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: news from overnight. And Koshi was another Koshi is a

1007
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: very bright man and he said to me very early on,

1008
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: he said, when you when you come on to this show,

1009
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: he said, you'd leave your ego at the door because

1010
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: you cannot bullshit people four and a half hours. You

1011
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: just can't. It'll fall apart. And we can't lie about

1012
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: being friends if we're not friends. You know, we can't

1013
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: pretend to be mates because all that stuff, you know,

1014
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: it all unravels now. You can't. You can't bullshit people. Basically,

1015
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: A great thing about Australians is we have this, I'd say,

1016
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: the world's best in built bullshit meetup. If someone is

1017
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: telling you porky pies. We seem to know very very quickly.

1018
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: And I think you know and everything you do you

1019
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: keep that in mind. You just straight up with people.

1020
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think you know that that thing about

1021
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: you know, being the hardest worker, and I tried. That's

1022
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: the one thing I would love to get through to

1023
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: my kids is that you you won't necessarily be that

1024
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: the one that everyone thinks is the star, or you

1025
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: won't be you won't be the one who's the most

1026
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: gifted or the best. But by crikey, if you can

1027
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: be the hardest worker in the room every time, you'll

1028
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: you'll get where you want to go.

1029
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: And I think you know a level of fucking up

1030
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: and falling down and failing is a gift because it's

1031
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: who you become in the middle of that.

1032
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: Mate.

1033
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: I've done so many things that didn't work out, like

1034
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: three podcasts before this, like corporate speaking gigs that were

1035
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: a rock solid one out of ten. You know that

1036
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: so many things. I've done more things that didn't work

1037
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: than did work. But it's in the not working and

1038
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: it's well, do I call this a failure or do

1039
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: I call this a lesson? And I know that sounds

1040
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: bullshitty philosophical But for me, it's out of the pain

1041
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: and the fuck ups and the trials and tribulations that

1042
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: I built skill, that I built awareness, that I developed insight,

1043
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: that I built resilience, that I became mentally emotionally tougher,

1044
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: that I could deal with shits. And and I'm okay,

1045
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: you don't like me. I wish you did, but it's

1046
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: cool that you don't. You didn't like that, that's cool too.

1047
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1048
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: I get at least because I have a reasonable social

1049
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: media presence and we do lots of podcasts, I get

1050
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: at least one or two people a week who send

1051
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: me an email and go, you're a fucking and I go, hey, Brian,

1052
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: thanks for your feedback. Enjoy your week.

1053
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Jam. You just is what it is. You should think

1054
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: yourself lucky you just at one and two.

1055
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's just being conservd It happens in thousands when

1056
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: people think I'm better than I am. I just we're

1057
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: going to wind up because we can't talk forever. I

1058
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: would love to, though, you're a gun tell me about

1059
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: So when are you heading off to the Winter Olympics,

1060
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: Like in a week.

1061
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: Or so, just two weeks. First of pep.

1062
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah cool, So broadly speaking for that, but also more

1063
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: broadly speaking for all the other stuff that you report

1064
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: on and call and commentate on, how much prep tell

1065
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: us about the prep because you can't just I'm pretty

1066
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: sure you're not all over all the bloody winter sports,

1067
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure you can't bullshit you are. I

1068
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: would give it a go because I'm that kind of person.

1069
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you can't bullshit your way through the

1070
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Speaker 1: Winter Olympics.

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Speaker 2: You can't. You can't really, you can't bullshit your way

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Speaker 2: through much at all life exactly. But yeah, yeah, heaps.

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Speaker 2: I think this will be my seventh Winter a little

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Speaker 2: bit game, so I've got a recently good handle on

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Speaker 2: it and how it works in the events, but you

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Speaker 2: still brush up, So I would spend probably been going

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Speaker 2: for at least a month now, but before that you

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on things, but probably two three months

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Speaker 2: out you're really starting to, you know, to write notes,

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Speaker 2: to read things, to highlight, build folders. I've got a

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Speaker 2: set of folders here, So yeah, it's pretty full on

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Speaker 2: because you've got to you've got to be able to

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Speaker 2: recall it like that pretty much. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know for me. Bruce mcavey has been the benchmark and

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Speaker 2: there's no one better than Bruce anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you we're so lucky to have him here.

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Speaker 2: But you go to Bruce's house and he has a

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Speaker 2: wall of volumes of notebooks where he just writes notes.

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Speaker 2: Every day. He gets the papers, gets the results, writes

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Speaker 2: notes about people. You know. He's just and that's how

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Speaker 2: he drills it into his mind and it's there when

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Speaker 2: he needs it. But yeah, preparation is a massive thing,

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Speaker 2: a massive.

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Speaker 1: Things he has. Genuinely, I met him one said SCN

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, he just his presence is a amazing

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Speaker 1: but he's brain. He's rain man. He's the rain man.

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Speaker 1: Like literally the ship that he doesn't know is not

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Speaker 1: worth knowing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's awesome. Same thing with Mackett. Two. I

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Speaker 2: think I've learned a lot from guys like human and

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Speaker 2: he's been very kind to me over the years, particularly

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Speaker 2: early on too. I remember I did remember I used

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Speaker 2: to have a show called Sports World on a Sunday

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Speaker 2: morning and I stood in once to do the updates,

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Speaker 2: and I had these scripts already and basically it all

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Speaker 2: fell to poop and they just disappeared on me on

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Speaker 2: the computer. He just looked at me. We're about to

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Speaker 2: go to wear and do my update, and he just

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Speaker 2: looked across. He said, you'll be right, you know it.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, shit, okay. Well, you know when someone

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Speaker 2: just someone with that authority gives you that handy that

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Speaker 2: I guess, the chalice of trust and says you know it,

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00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: you can do this, and you just go, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I can do this, and I did somehow we got

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00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: through it. But yeah, just an awesome, awesome human, you know.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, honestly, he is renowned as the

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00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: best in the world and we're so lucky he's an Aussie.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like saying I wish I was as

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Speaker 1: good as you think I am or my better?

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Speaker 2: You did this from Bruce.

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Speaker 1: I this is on a much smaller level, mate. But

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Speaker 1: I you know, I used to do stuff at SCN

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and I used to have I

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Speaker 1: used to do a show called the High Performance Show.

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Speaker 1: Then I did the Science of Sport for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But but I used to do for quite a few summers.

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Speaker 1: I would do weekends and it was called I forget

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Speaker 1: five hours from midday till five, and I mean, have

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Speaker 1: you have you've done a bit of radio.

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Speaker 2: Have you? Or triple yeah? I love radio. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: But you know, so I would sit in the studio

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Speaker 1: and it's just me in the studio and outside the

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Speaker 1: other window is window is a producer, and then now

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Speaker 1: and then some people would come in. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you just you need to be really organized, especially when

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Speaker 1: there's no music. It's all it's on talk right, so

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Speaker 1: there's no no fucking get out of jail guard like,

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Speaker 1: it's just you. And anyway, we came out of the

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Speaker 1: twelve o'clock news and it's like, you know, twelve oh

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Speaker 1: four or five, and I'm like, I go Melvenheimer Sport.

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Speaker 1: It's five million in the next hour. I'm doing this

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Speaker 1: and that. And later on we've got this bloke and

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Speaker 1: that bloke. I'm Craig Harper. I'm there, I'm all that

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Speaker 1: kind of shit. And then right now and we're about

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Speaker 1: to go out to Rodney hog at the MCG and

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Speaker 1: I'm like and then and I throwed a hoggy and

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Speaker 1: as I do that, the producer goes, we've lost him stretch.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck stretching, I've got nothing. I mate, I

1149
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Speaker 1: just said everything I was And this was literally the

1150
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Speaker 1: first time I'd hosted a big chunk by myself, and

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Speaker 1: it was the first two minutes I was on air.

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00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: I was done. I do not know how I got.

1153
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: It was like running a marathon and I fell on

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Speaker 1: my face in the first two meters.

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Speaker 2: I can only laugh because I know that feeling so well.

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Speaker 2: As soon as you see this scene, it's.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, what actly? Exactly? And I did a

1158
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Speaker 1: bit of stuff also, obviously nowhere nothing, just bits and pieces.

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Speaker 1: But on the David and Kim Show on Channel ten,

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Speaker 1: and I had to do an ob and outside broadcast

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Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, we want you to use AUTOQ.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, no, you really don't trust me, you really don't.

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00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: They're like, I go just talk to me. I'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: And so I had to fight on that because they

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Speaker 1: wanted it anyway. But live TV and live radio, Mate,

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Speaker 1: you're a much braver, braver and more talented and skilled

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Speaker 1: person than me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's just practice, Craig, That's all just practice.

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Speaker 1: Like anything, we really appreciate you having the chat with us.

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Speaker 1: You're a ripper. I so enjoyed it. How do people

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Speaker 1: find you and follow you. Are you on the socials

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Speaker 1: or are you a little bit too high brow for that?

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Speaker 2: I know I love the socials speaking so you see

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Speaker 2: me in my life or having a bike ride this morning?

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Speaker 1: What's your INSTA hand or you all?

1176
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: But I'm just at Mark barretta really simple on Instagram

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Speaker 2: and Twitter. Yeah, we appreciate you. Stay there.

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Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye to the crew and then we'll come

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00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: back and say goodbye to you off here. But thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming and chatting with us on

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Speaker 1: the new project.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it, guys, and at any time, keen

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Speaker 2: to come back. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Don't say that. It'll be a regular before you know it.

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Speaker 1: You'll be a highly unplaid regular before you know it.

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00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: We're cheap as fuck. Yeah, Barrett's is back fourth time

1187
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Speaker 1: this week. Hates my guts, don't care. He made a promise.

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Speaker 1: See everyone,