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Speaker 1: I'm with the show. I'll get a team. It's your project,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook, Jeffrey, Brian, Kevin Patrick, doctor Jeffrey Kevin Pat.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what is your middle name? Do you

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Speaker 2: It's David.

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Speaker 1: Of course it is David. That's quite biblical, quite old Testament.

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a religious household by any chance? No?

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Speaker 2: But my hands were really big, so you know the statue?

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Speaker 1: All right mate? Yeah, I know actly what you're talking

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Speaker 1: about there, but we'll leave it there. How are you?

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Speaker 1: How have you been? You probably missed us.

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Speaker 2: Terribly? Yes, yes, I yes I did. How was that

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Speaker 1: That was so fucking unconvincing? Try harder missed you guys.

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Speaker 2: It's been like a month and I need a good update.

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Speaker 2: What's happening?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's winter as fuck here. It's about five degrees

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Speaker 1: are you dressing your animals up in clothes like half

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am yes?

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Speaker 2: Always is what.

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Speaker 1: Does what does Luna wear when you take her out

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Speaker 3: She has got the most beautiful little button up jacket

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Speaker 1: She's got boots. I feel like that's bad for dogs.

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Speaker 1: Don't they need the tactility of the earth beneath their feet?

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Speaker 2: So now she has to wear that.

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Speaker 3: That's vet prescribed a tire.

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Speaker 1: By any chance does the vet sell the aforementioned a tire?

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Speaker 2: Please do not deliver, Do not deliver anything to our door.

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Speaker 2: Do not try to sell us windows door to door

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Speaker 1: Two kilograms or four point four pounds of absolute terror exactly.

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Speaker 1: What are the things that we should do to optimize

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Speaker 2: Not that we want these electromagnetic forces, but it'll actually

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Speaker 1: People who don't feel pain? What is that? There's like

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Speaker 1: might be near the top of the list why people

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Speaker 1: who lose weight? Many of them like hYP percentage put

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Speaker 1: it back on.

436
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there what's in front of them is

437
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Speaker 2: list here is or tends to weight gain. Right, we

438
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Speaker 2: have a poor food, poor choices. The more convenient and

439
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: less expensive choices tend to gain weight. Right, So if

440
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Speaker 2: you're trying to save money or you just want to

441
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Speaker 2: get something fast, you're more likely to have something that's

442
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: not good for your metabolism in many ways, seed oils, carbohydrates,

443
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Speaker 2: you know, even sugar. So I think that that's just

444
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: simplus a taste better. Right, They've they've engineered these foods

445
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Speaker 2: to get us to like them more. So you've got

446
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Speaker 2: a we're fighting an uphill battle of you know, just

447
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: like just like a drug habit, right, you know, it's

448
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: it's it's it's easy to start, but it's hard to quit.

449
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Speaker 1: When you when you're with patients who come to you

450
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Speaker 1: for a very specific reason, like even site you know,

451
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Speaker 1: to get the the back traded, you know, particular a

452
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Speaker 1: particular problem with stem cell activation or whatever. They come

453
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Speaker 1: through the door. I feel like you're the kind of

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Speaker 1: doctor that you would talk to them about a whole

455
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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Like I feel like I could go

456
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: to see you about my back and you asked me

457
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Speaker 1: about my sleep and my diet and my relationship and

458
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Speaker 1: my emotional state and my job, And is that part

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Speaker 1: of your operating system?

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Speaker 2: It is, and it's it's curated for each individual. You know,

461
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Speaker 2: a lot of my clients are already you know, we'll

462
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Speaker 2: call them biohackers or dialed in on a lot of

463
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Speaker 2: these things. Some people are not, So we have to

464
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Speaker 2: start a square one with like you said, diet, nutrition, sleep, exercise,

465
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Speaker 2: you know, mindfulness, meditation, you know, blood tests, everything you know,

466
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Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes we have to start slow with

467
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Speaker 2: them because if I give people fifty things to change it,

468
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Speaker 2: they're just going to be overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: And people are more receptive to this kind of integrated

470
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Speaker 1: approach than you know, ten years ago, like it seems

471
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Speaker 1: to be normalizing.

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Speaker 2: Well, my client tele have changed as I've moved further

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Speaker 2: and further from the sick care system into the prevention

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Speaker 2: and wellness and regenitive system. I'm just I'm seeking clients

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Speaker 2: who are more like minded, which is helped with that

476
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Speaker 2: disconsonance that's here, at least here in our system, where

477
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Speaker 2: you've got people who don't want to do the work

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Speaker 2: to be healthy. They just want to take a pill

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Speaker 2: in a system that wants to just give them a

480
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Speaker 2: pill because that's what the financial incentives are, and then

481
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Speaker 2: they're cranky when they can't get something else covered by

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Speaker 2: their quote unquote insurance plan. I said to that in quotes,

483
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Speaker 2: because I don't think they should to use the word

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Speaker 2: insurance because they're so conflicted. Conflict of interest is abundant.

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Speaker 1: There do you get Do you get any pushback or

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Speaker 1: height from your medical colleagues when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: sick care system when you use that term. I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: by the way, one hundred percent agree with you. But

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Speaker 1: does that does that ruffle feathers or your past giving

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Speaker 1: a fuck?

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Speaker 2: No? Well, I'm certainly past giving a fuck, but I

492
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Speaker 2: think that that doesn't ruffle their feathers. I think they'd

493
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Speaker 2: agree and be happy to whine, but very few are

494
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Speaker 2: willing to act on it. They'd rather sit in the mediocrity,

495
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Speaker 2: continue to drink the kool aid and follow the cookbook.

496
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Speaker 2: So that's that's where we depart, and I think I've

497
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Speaker 2: always departed, and and that that has been challenging in

498
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Speaker 2: some in some ways that sometimes, but I think that

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Speaker 2: my duty to the patient to give them better options

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Speaker 2: and protect their access to what's new and potentially beneficial,

501
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Speaker 2: versus following what the insurance will pay for, all as

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Speaker 2: the hippocratic oath before it follows. Some insurance plans, you know, pamphlet.

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Speaker 1: And was there a particular for you, a particular moment,

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Speaker 1: light bulb moment or event or I don't know, tipping

505
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Speaker 1: point where you went. Yeah, there's probably more to it

506
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Speaker 1: than this where you started to move away. Did something happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were many milestones, but i'll recant one for you.

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Speaker 2: I was early in my practice, probably the year two

509
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Speaker 2: thousand maybe to year two thousand and one, and I

510
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: was still young enough to take emergency room call. So

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Speaker 2: when they would have traumas, you know, i'd get called

512
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Speaker 2: to the emergency room, so brain traumas mostly. So I

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Speaker 2: took care of one particular individual or I'll never forget

514
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Speaker 2: the story, and I know exactly what she looks like

515
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Speaker 2: from years ago. But she was having a fight with

516
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Speaker 2: her boyfriend and somehow she ended up exiting a moving vehicle.

517
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Speaker 2: I don't know if she was encouraged to exit it

518
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: or she exited on her own accord, but she was

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00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: out of the car and had a very significant head injury.

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Speaker 2: So she required many operations middle of the night, you know,

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Speaker 2: drains replace this that she was in the intensive care

522
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Speaker 2: unit for months. She was my patient, So I spent

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Speaker 2: countless You had up all the hours, days and days

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Speaker 2: and days with her, miraculously due to a technique called

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Speaker 2: creamy ectomy, where we basically remove half the skull to

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Speaker 2: allow the brain to swell, which was pretty aggressive at

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Speaker 2: that era, but it works.

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Speaker 1: What you give will Tyke doc.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, but very few places were

530
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Speaker 2: doing it, so we did a crany ectomy and later,

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Speaker 2: you know, the brain selling improved and I was able

532
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Speaker 2: to put the skull back in so many many operations.

533
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Speaker 2: She was basically the Frankenstein Project. And she went off

534
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Speaker 2: to a rehab facility and learned to walk and talk again,

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Speaker 2: so very happy front page of the newspaper, such a

536
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Speaker 2: miraculous story. And her insurance company was this managed care

537
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: set of clowns who decided they weren't going to pay anything.

538
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: Why because that one patient would have bankrupted their system.

539
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: So they actually took took protective action, and they went

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Speaker 2: against the group I was with. The group didn't want

541
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Speaker 2: the hassle, so they said fine, they waved the bill.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have control of it was a young pup

543
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Speaker 2: at the time and the group was controlling it. And

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Speaker 2: that was my thing to say, why if all this

545
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Speaker 2: training and all this effort, and you know, sleepless nights

546
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Speaker 2: and you know, all these things we did aren't reimbursable.

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Speaker 2: I can't I can't survive on this. I can't do

548
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Speaker 2: a career on it. You know, I'm basically doing I'm

549
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Speaker 2: doing charity work. I did hundreds of thousands of dollars

550
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Speaker 2: in charity work on that one patient. So, needless to

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Speaker 2: say that, that was when I started to drop all

552
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Speaker 2: we call contracts with insurance companies, and we call that

553
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Speaker 2: out of network here. So it reduced the number of

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Speaker 2: patients I was seeing, and at first I was not

555
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Speaker 2: very busy, but then because you can spend more time

556
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Speaker 2: with each patient, then yes, the quality was so good

557
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Speaker 2: that you know, within a year I became you know,

558
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Speaker 2: difficult to get into.

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Speaker 1: And for you was I mean that that model where

560
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Speaker 1: you can spend much longer with a patient has got

561
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Speaker 1: to be more fulfilling and rewarding and aligning with who

562
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Speaker 1: and how you want to be.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean these are relationships there, you know,

564
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: can be very important relationships, right, you know, surgery and decisions,

565
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 2: medical decisions, and you know you're less likely to miss

566
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: something if you spend more time with the patient, you're

567
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: less likely to have a medical error, and and you're

568
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: more likely to find alternative and maybe better solutions than

569
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Speaker 2: the quick and easy surgery. So that became my practice

570
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: for many years, is morphed into what I'm doing now,

571
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Speaker 2: which is try, like heck to avoid surgery and do

572
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Speaker 2: all these other things.

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Speaker 1: Was there one particular I don't know, modality or treatment

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Speaker 1: option that was outside the allopathic medical paradigm, if that's

575
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Speaker 1: the right term, that you got introduced something a bit

576
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Speaker 1: eastern or weird in inverted commas, or something that was

577
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: atypical within the world that you operated that first came

578
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Speaker 1: to your attention and that I'll like open the door on,

579
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, alternative medicine or a more integrative approach. Was

580
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Speaker 1: there one thing?

581
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Speaker 2: No, I think I've always been open minded scientifically, but

582
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Speaker 2: more recently, probably six or seven years ago, when I

583
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: became reinvigorated with the whole stem cell and regenerative medicine field,

584
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: that really caused me to you know, burst through the envelope,

585
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: not just push it, but because this was so prevalent

586
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: in Europe and in Asia, and so many Americans were

587
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: leaving to go to these countries to get the treatment.

588
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't that far fetched. It just so to my colleagues,

589
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 2: that's really where some of them still haven't. There's still

590
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: the kool aid is so strong they can't break out

591
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: of the teaching they had from twenty five years ago

592
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: that was given to them by someone who has trained

593
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Speaker 2: twenty five years before that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so all of the things that like I

595
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Speaker 1: hear on the you know when I'm listening to other

596
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: American podcasts often Rogan where they're talking to somebody who's

597
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Speaker 1: had to go to Mexico to get this treatment that's

598
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: you know, changed their life or whatever. You know, Right,

599
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Speaker 1: But of all of the things that people have to

600
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Speaker 1: travel to get done, what what are the things that

601
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Speaker 1: you would like to see happening in the States where

602
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: it would become more accessible and not so tied up

603
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: in whatever bureaucracy or red tape, where you could just go, look,

604
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: this person needs that without having to jump through all

605
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: the hoops.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the great myth. It is available in the States,

607
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: but we're not allowed to advertise it. We can't advertise

608
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: on Google, we can't advertise on Facebook, we're not allowed

609
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: to make any claims that we can cure or treat

610
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: anything with regenitive biologics, PRP, stem cells, anything in that realm,

611
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: even though there's great science and medical evidence behind it.

612
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: Until our government says they decide it's proven, we can't say.

613
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: We can't advertise. So that's why you hear about these

614
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: clinics in Mexico and Central America and other places, and

615
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: they widely advertise to the citizens of the US, and

616
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: they perpetuate this myth that these treatments are not available

617
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: in the US. They are, with the proper informed consent,

618
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: they are available in the US.

619
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: So why is it? Why are you allowed to which,

620
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Speaker 1: of course I think you should be, but why can

621
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Speaker 1: you practice? Why can you offer these services if it

622
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: seems like anyway the government doesn't endorse them or believe in.

623
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Speaker 2: Them because the government does not regulate the practice of medicine.

624
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: The government regulates consumer claims on products and on devices.

625
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, I'm like, I was looking at your

626
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: website before, and I was thinking, like, in line with this,

627
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Speaker 1: it must be hard to like, you can tell people

628
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: what you do, but you can't make any amazing claims,

629
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Speaker 1: can you? Even if those claims are one hundred percent true.

630
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: Right, we can't make any claims that can show patient

631
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: outcome stories and anecdotes, and I can put in literature

632
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: references where certain treatments are proven in Europe. Yes, you know,

633
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: but as soon as you cross the Atlantic Ocean and

634
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: come to America, your body must change and then it's

635
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: no longer proven. I don't know, it's You're right, it's ironic,

636
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: and the strings are course pulled by those who stand

637
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: to lose the most, big pharmacy companies, big implant manufacturers.

638
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: Things like that.

639
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: Just remind me, what's Rfk's new title in the Trump administration.

640
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: Isn't he something like there's something for health, Minister for Health.

641
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: Secretary of Health and Human Services, I believe is the title.

642
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts around him in that job? That's

643
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Speaker 1: not a lot of question.

644
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: No, it's a great question. I think that he is

645
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: open minded and going to shake up the status quo.

646
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: So regardless of his stance on you know, vaccines or

647
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: this or that, I do want this to be shaken up.

648
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: I do want the status quo gone. I do want

649
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Speaker 2: these bureaucrats out who are just you know, taking up

650
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Speaker 2: our tax dollars and pushing around the same papers and

651
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: perpetuating you know, you know, rules based on nonsense because

652
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: it suits someone in a in a corporate iv ivy

653
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Speaker 2: tower somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of a little

655
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Speaker 1: bit of war, of all of these men in these

656
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Speaker 1: high towers sending kids off to war that have never

657
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Speaker 1: been in the war themselves. You know that anyway. Yeah, so,

658
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Speaker 1: oh well, we'll see what It's going to be interesting

659
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Speaker 1: to see how that plays out with him, because he's

660
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Speaker 1: certainly RFK I'm talking about, is certainly not afraid of

661
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Speaker 1: stepping up and speaking up.

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Speaker 2: So oh I love that about him. I love I

663
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: love that, we love we love shaking it up. You know,

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Speaker 2: it hasn't trickled down yet. I still have colleagues in

665
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Speaker 2: the stem cell field that are getting these warning letters

666
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Speaker 2: from the FDA, which is under the purview of you know,

667
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy junior. But so at the high level,

668
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: he's got these great ideas, he's putting these people in place,

669
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Speaker 2: but the low level bureaucrats haven't stepped in lane yet,

670
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Speaker 2: and they're still cranking out the same old nonsense that

671
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Speaker 2: we've been, you know, stuck with for decades.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever asked you this, and

673
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: this is probably not because we're heading towards the finish line,

674
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Speaker 1: but what are your thoughts broadly around therapeutic uses of psychedelics.

675
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Speaker 1: Is there anything in that that you think is potentially valuable?

676
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Speaker 2: I do. I think that that is a blossoming area.

677
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: You know a lot of these are natural plant drived

678
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: We're going to learn more about them. There's been research

679
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: that's been over the last let's say five years, really

680
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: kind of lit up here in the US. I know

681
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: Johns Hopkins has had a big project going on. Timothy

682
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: Ferris is behind a lot of that, and he's been

683
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: stimulating the funding of that, and you know, whether it's

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Speaker 2: microdosing or what have you. And I've seen some pieces

685
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Speaker 2: on this where you know, the brain accumulates and stores

686
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: and protects trauma, traumatic events because it's so painful to

687
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: let those out. Well, this might be the very lock

688
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: to let those out in a safe way and help people,

689
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: you know, achieve nirvana when they've been so stuck in

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Speaker 2: themselves for so many years of no fault of their own.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps one of my friends has recently, how much I

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Speaker 1: can say, let's just say, I was going to say

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Speaker 1: what he's using, but we won't say that because probably

694
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: not meant to. But yeah, just opened a particular door

695
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: and like for him, game changer. Like and he's not

696
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: a you know, he's like fifty five year old dude.

697
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: He's not a drug taker, he's not a but just

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00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: he has tried this particular thing and yeah, really quite

699
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Speaker 1: a profound pose. And I'm not endorsing anything anyone, I'm

700
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Speaker 1: not recommending anything, but for him, and me as an

701
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: observer of him, I'm like, what are you doing? And

702
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: he told me. I'm like, oh wow, So yeah, I

703
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: think these things can whatever right thing, right dose, right

704
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: person can really create some good outcomes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about that field. So many people are

706
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: stuck with these you know, psychological roadblocks, and you talk

707
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Speaker 2: about pain amplification earlier. I mean one of those we

708
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: see is the relationship between pain amplification and depression. And

709
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: a lot of these depressive sources come from, you know,

710
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: some usually childhood trauma, and people sometimes even know what

711
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: that trauma is, they can't face that. So anything to

712
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: open those doors and let out the demons would be fantastic.

713
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Speaker 1: My training partner who's a walking experiment. I don't mean

714
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Speaker 1: with steroid. So I mean he's just or he's always

715
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: like he was a former pro bodybuilder, so you can

716
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Speaker 1: imagine his background, right, But he's always just he's always

717
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Speaker 1: trying new supplements, new products. His latest thing is nicotine.

718
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Like this is the guy that's never smoked, right, so

719
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: he's doing nicotine patches. He is, he's on fire. He's like,

720
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Speaker 1: he reckons, his brain works. But again, everyone not a recommendation.

721
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Like his brain works better, his pains less, his energy

722
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Speaker 1: is more. Now, I'm sure over time that response will

723
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Speaker 1: you know, drop and I'm sure he'll desensitize his receptors

724
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: and all of that. But I don't know if we've

725
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: spoken about nicotine before, But what do you think about that?

726
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't done the deep dive on nicotine yet,

727
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: but you know, at a low dose it may not

728
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Speaker 2: be very addictive. And of course, if you're using some

729
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: type of I don't know's he putting it in his mouth.

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Speaker 1: There's a thing he's actually using a pat it's actually

731
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Speaker 1: a patch. So it's a kind of an idea into

732
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Speaker 1: twenty four hour delivery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't have the long complications you do

734
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Speaker 2: with smoking it, or the mouth cancer issues with having

735
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: a you know, tobacco in your mouth and that kind

736
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Speaker 2: of thing. But it's it's becoming talked about more and more.

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Speaker 2: And you know, nicotine is a necessary biochemical in our bodies,

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Speaker 2: right we have you know, you talk about some of

739
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Speaker 2: these these anti aging supplements like nmin or NAD plus.

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Speaker 2: The end stands for nicotine, So I mean it's or

741
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: nicotine of mine. It's it's some form of that. We

742
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 2: do need nicotine. We have receptors for it. But yeah,

743
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: you get too much, then, like you said, you get

744
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: desensitized and you make more receptors and all of a

745
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: sudden you're addicted. So I haven't done the deep dive,

746
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: but I think there may be value there and we'll

747
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: we'll continue to learn more and I'll report back to

748
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Speaker 2: you at some point on that.

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Speaker 1: I will say full disclosure. Every now and then, I

750
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Speaker 1: will have a two milligram Nicorette, which is a chewing

751
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: gum I probably had in my life. I've had ten.

752
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: But and for me, it's a real again, everyone, not

753
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: a recommendation. It's a real new tropic. It's like my

754
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: let's say I've got to go and do a three

755
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: hour workshop where I've got to talk for three hours.

756
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: I've got to be switched on, president focused, articulate, you know,

757
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: good recall whatever my normal is. And I can't really

758
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: quantify this, but it feels I come about twenty percent better.

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00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm a bit sharper. I can focus

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00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: for longer, I don't get distracted, and that's yeah. And

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00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: because I take nothing, my receptors are like fresh, you know.

762
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, it's it's proven okay for me.

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Speaker 2: I haven't traded myself, and I do a lot of

764
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: self experimenting and biohacking, and I just that's what I

765
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: haven't tried yet. But let me let me get back

766
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: to showing that one.

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00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, give it a give it a go. I'll prescribe

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Speaker 1: that for you free. Also the other thing just quickly

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Speaker 1: before we go. Maybe we spoke about this, but what's

770
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: getting a lot of airtime lightly I haven't spoke about

771
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: last time. Not sure, but is the cognitive benefits of

772
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: creatine that that seems to be getting a good run

773
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: at the moment.

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00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, well not just cognitive, but but yes, and we're

775
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: talking about probably a ten grams plus per day. Yeah,

776
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: maybe up to twenty grams. So this is this is

777
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: a lot. You got to space it out, yeah, throughout

778
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: the day. It's a lot. But if you're making a

779
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: protein shake, there's no reason why you couldn't add five

780
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: or ten grams to that shake and you won't you know,

781
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: you won't taste it because by itself, creatine is not

782
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: very tasty, right, So but you know, mix it with

783
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: some good fruits and bananas and whatever you like, and

784
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: you protein shape and you know, space it out throughout

785
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: the day. And I think it's going to be a

786
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: longevity A longevity protein is this creatine.

787
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: So I agree for sure. Well as always, Doc, we

788
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Tell tell our audience where they can read

789
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: about you, learn about you, connect with you if you.

790
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: Would, Thank you so much. Always great to talk to

791
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: you guys. But our business is called RE Celebrate our

792
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795
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Speaker 2: We're there at re Celebrate Appreciate you.

797
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye O here, but as always, Doc, thanks

798
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: so much for being on the You project.

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Speaker 2: Love it, Thank you,