1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I get atf welcome to Look. I don't know if 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: you've heard of this. It's called the You Project. My 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: name's Craig Harpy. You can call me, you know, Fatty 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Harp's Jumbo whatever you like. Just don't call me late 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: for dinner. Hi. 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: How are you rings a bell? You the you pro? 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 8 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Look, you look been around for a while, you know, 9 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm my ship doesn't think I'm fucking amazing, amazing. Imagine 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: we'll say even I don't say that, and the people 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: definitely don't say that, so we know that's a crock 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: of shit. 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: They bloody do though. This is the thing they do. 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: I talked myself up once and one of my best 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: friends shot me down in a fucking blaze of glory. 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: What a prick. 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: You should punch them in the face. 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was I going to 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: say to you, we were just talking about and I 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about something else. But I don't know, 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get there. But we're talking about how you know, 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: sometimes you show you've got to show up. You've got 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: to do a podcast, or you've got to do a presentation. 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, in our lives anyway, not the but you've 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: got to do whatever it is that you do. Yeah, 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, and it might be you doing parenting, it 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: might be you doing selling apples at the mark, doesn't matter. 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: But especially when it's kind of I guess communication based 29 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: or interpersonal or people based, and you just like, you know, 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: you're a five out of ten, but you don't want 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: to look like you're five out of ten, or you 32 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: don't want to saund and you want to you want 33 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: to do a ten out of ten job, and you're 34 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: kind of there, but you're just like, fuck, I'm not 35 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: even feeling what I'm saying. You've had a bit of that. 36 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: Had so much of that, so much harps. 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: So you will tell Look, we're all here for you. 38 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: What's going on? Now, We're all here, everybody. I just 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: want you to lean in and you know, just put 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: out your hands and come on, yeah, loving the Lord's wrong. 41 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: We don't want to be right, so you just open up. 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: You're in a save space, I. 43 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: Think in pictures, right, So as you were saying that, 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: everyone was leaning in with their arms out, ready to. 45 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: Give me a big hug. 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, they all put their 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: arms out in this whole evangelic cool thing going on. 48 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 2: I was like, oh that changed, all right. 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: Well you can just have the hug or you can 50 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: have the prayer. So you've been all the well wishes 51 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: or the positive vibes or whatever it is that works 52 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: for you. So what's been going on? Like you were 53 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: about to kind of downline, and I went, fuck it, 54 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: let's just tell everyone, because I think it's the human experience, 55 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like, yeah, so so go well. 56 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: I feel like I talk about it all the time 57 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: recently because all of our preambles have been oh, TIFFs, foremones, tifts, tired, 58 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: so it's all, you know, like it's just a bit 59 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: of a continuation of that shocking sleep, shocking energy. And 60 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: I said to you before, like I've had a few 61 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: podcasts lately or meetings where I'm just you know, when 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: you're sitting in the middle of it and you're like 63 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: you are, oh, the any critic, Like, brain's not firing, 64 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: not my usual self, I can't engage the same way, 65 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: aren't thinking as fast And then just start observing that 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: and criticizing myself in the middle of it and just 67 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: being so embarrassed for myself, just like, oh, God, like, 68 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: what's wrong with you? Plan to pull the pin on 69 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: the whole thing. You might have to move to blow 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: Canber and get a job washing dishes somewhere. 71 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: Wow, that's I mean, I don't know, but I would 72 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: think there's a couple of steps between where you are 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: and shout out to the Canberrans too. I mean, let 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: me know. 75 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: I'll send you my resume. 76 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: I think you've just thrown canbra under the bus. I mean, 77 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: I quite like. Camera just seems to be like the 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: low rung on the ladder, the geographical ladder moved to camera. 79 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Shout out, shout out it is. It is an interesting 80 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: thing though, when you have a job and everybody that 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: has you know, a job or a role that they 82 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: feel or whatever, and you you know you want to 83 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: do the best at that, but you don't feel the best, 84 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: but you can't. It's like I say to my clients, 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: my trainers, I should say, everyone pays the same amount 86 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: for you, So whether or not if you're training with 87 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: TIF at seven am or seven pm, you should get 88 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: the same tiff because I'm not paying more or I'm 89 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: paying So the challenge for you as the coach or 90 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: the speaker or the trainer in this example, and the 91 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: challenge for me was trying to have as much energy, focus, 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: attention and quality of product at seven pm when I 93 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: got to the gym at five am. And so now 94 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: we're fourteen hours in because they don't I can't go, oh, look, 95 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm really tired. It's been a big day. You're my 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: thirteenth appointment, so you know it'll probably be shit, but 97 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: you understand because I'm tired. Well, no, you know that's 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: got nothing to do with them and everything to do 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: with you. And I used to talk about this idea. 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: This could become the title or not. So there's two 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: terms for it. One is your performance threshold. And your 102 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: performance threshold means how much of a certain thing can 103 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: you do at the level that you want to do 104 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: it before you need a break or a rest or, 105 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: you know. So that could be training clients, that could 106 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: be podcasts you might know. I mean, of course there 107 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: are other variables. But you can do three podcasts in 108 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: a morning and they all be pretty good because you've 109 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: got half an hour an hour between each. But by 110 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: lunchtime you've done three, they're good. But you probably can't 111 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: do six good ones, right because it's just it's mental 112 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: overload or physical overload, and you get angry and with 113 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: nobody he fucking wants that. That's terrifying. And the other 114 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: term I used to use for it, other than performance 115 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: threshold as shit threshold, and it's the same thing, but 116 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: it just means how many whatevers can you do, how 117 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: many hours, how many sessions, how many phone calls, how 118 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: many lawns can you mow, whatever it is that you 119 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: do before it turns to shit. And I used to 120 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: say to my trainers, figure out what that number is, 121 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: and then don't do more than that number, because people 122 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: don't deserve that people deserve if everyone's paying a premium price, 123 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: and of course we're human and all of that, but 124 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: as much as humanly possible, they need to get the 125 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: same level of quality each time. 126 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: Well, otherways had a low number in terms of clients, 127 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: physical clients for that reason because I'm very like I'm 128 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 3: very animated and very energetic, and I know that's what 129 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: I bring to the session. They're not there for me 130 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: to look at a clipboard and read ex is out 131 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: in monotone. 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: Oh, don't start me. Don't start me on fucking generic 133 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: personal trainers who don't actually prescribe exercise. You people, you 134 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: know who you are. You train all your clients the 135 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: same way. It's fucking so unprofessional, it's so inappropriate, it's 136 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: so dangerous, it's so lazy. Stop fucking doing it. It 137 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: just drives me nuts. You're being told, ah, fuck you 138 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: if you do that, you're not a personal trainer. It's 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: well you are, but you're a bad one. Like your 140 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: job is literally to prescribe people individual programs, exercises, experiences 141 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: based on a myriad of variables. And if you like, 142 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: I won't. I don't want to throw anyone under the bus. 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: But even lately, I've seen people who would come to 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the gym, They'll be trained by a trainer. Then the 145 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: next person and who's nothing like the previous person, essentially 146 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: does the same workout, and then I'll see them another day, 147 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: and then there's like a complete another person doing essentially 148 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: the same workout. I'm like, this is not personalized prescription. 149 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: This is a generic program that you're comfortable with. It's 150 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: like you go to the doctor. Ten people go to 151 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the doctor for ten different reasons, and she gives them 152 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: all the same drug because she can't be fucked you're 153 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: all getting the blue pill. You're all getting predness alone. 154 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: What but I've got a headache. Oh yeah, but my 155 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: dick's falling off. Yeah but I've got heck and whatever. 156 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: It's like, No, you're all getting this. It's ridiculous, But 157 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: that happens, you go go see it fucking annoying. I 158 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: feel like there's about ninety eight percent of our listeners gone, well, 159 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: this is completely irrelevant to me. You know, it's you 160 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: can apply that idea. Yeah, there's two percent going, oh fuck, 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: that's me. Well, I mean the idea of personal training 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: is that it's not the same as you know, it's 163 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: you're not doing the same thing as everyone. Ergo personal, 164 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: ergo the name. It's in the name. Otherwise it'd be 165 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: called generic training by Brian. 166 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: One on one generic training, boom, Yeah, one. 167 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: On one generic training. You're all getting the same workout. Yeah, 168 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: but I'm here for flexibility. Why am I bench pressing? 169 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up? Yeah, I'm here to become a powerlifter. 170 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: Why am I dancing? Oh? Just and three two one step? 171 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: You know it's like ah, anyway, steps down off high horse. 172 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: But so how do you manage that? Like when you're 173 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: not having a good day, or were your energies three 174 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: or a four? Or your mindset's a three or four? 175 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: Are you're frustrated or because how do you do you 176 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: just soldier on? Or do you have a hack where 177 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: you can get yourself kind of. 178 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: Back Because I'm I don't have a lot of back 179 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: to bout clients like they, you know, I normally have 180 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: two or three at a time and then that I'm done, 181 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: so I don't overload myself, so I can normally get through. 182 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: And training is different. 183 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: When I'm podcasting and I'm sitting down, there's I'm. 184 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Not playing a role. 185 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: I'm not playing the trainer that's there to kick your 186 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: ass and teach your stuff and lift the mood and energy. 187 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: I'm I don't know that's not there, so I'd struggle more. 188 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: And it's cognitive, you know. It's that It's that not 189 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: being sharp, not getting a bit distracted in my head, 190 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: being just a bit fairy, bloody fairy, and then noticing 191 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: that and criticizing it. That's where I struggle the most. 192 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: So it's in the in the podcast more than the training. 193 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: It's very rare that I that I am The only 194 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: times I will struggle on personal training clients is if 195 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: they're in the afternoon and I'm and I'm really run down, 196 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: and I've only got two sessions that I run in 197 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: an afternoon for a group and they are super fun. 198 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: They normally just lift me up anyway, So I'm like, 199 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: thank God for that. 200 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's I don't know, it's bloody tough. 201 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's it's it's all of us, 202 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, And it's I think you just and of 203 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: course people understand, like if you feel terrible, you can 204 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: tell people, but you can't you know them down well, 205 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: you want that to be the exception, not the rule. 206 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: It's like, I would rather not see someone than bring 207 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: my bad day to them, do you know what I mean. 208 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to inflict me on you 209 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: at the moment, because it ate your job to pick 210 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: me up. Now, I'm talking about in a professional capacity here, 211 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,479 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about friendship. Yeah, you know. And the 212 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: the amount of just because I've done so much right 213 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: and even though it's a very small percentage, maybe one 214 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: or two percent of the time, but because I've done 215 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: so many sessions and talks, still ends up being quite 216 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: a number of sessions where like I remember, I've told 217 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: this once, I think on the show. But one hundred 218 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: and fifty years ago, when I had a girlfriend when 219 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't old and weird and hermity, Me and the 220 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: aforementioned girlfriend had been having all night conversation about some 221 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: of the challenges, right, and it was just that's not me. 222 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: I've only ever done that once in my life, and 223 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: it was that night right where it was just it 224 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: was going around in circles and anyway. It wasn't a 225 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: very it wasn't to but it wasn't a great it 226 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: was anyway. So I literally had about maybe thirty minutes sleep, 227 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: and then I had fifteen appointments. I had six am 228 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: to nine pm, back to back one hour sessions or 229 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe fourteen or thirty. And this is back in the 230 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: day when I was young. I used to do. I 231 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: was like a weapon, Like I could do lots and 232 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: lots and lots, and there would be you know, because 233 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: I owned my own business, I would sometimes which it 234 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: seems inappropriate, but in the context it was fine. I'd 235 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: eat my lunch while I was training someone, but it'd 236 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: be you know, like i'd have a protein bar or 237 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of and it'd always be with someone 238 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: that I knew well and they're fine with it, and 239 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: i'd do a workout with a clientel. But I remember 240 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: just I didn't even want to turn up for the 241 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: first person, like, I was emotionally drained, I was exhausted, 242 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: I was sad, I was anxio. I was the opposite 243 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: of what you need to be to do that job well. 244 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: And I just remember thinking, the last thing I want 245 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: to do is to be an inspiration to anyone. I 246 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: just want to fucking cuddle. I just want to I 247 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: just want to lie in front of the fire, like 248 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: you know. And and I guess I could have canceled everyone, 249 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: but it was my business and it was new and 250 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: I was yeah, but that's you know, I mean, in 251 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: the context of no, I just got through it. But 252 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: in the context of real world problems, I think I 253 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: had one cancelation, so maybe I slept for thirty minutes. 254 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: But in the context of you know, somebody having cancer, 255 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: or somebody being in a bloody war zone, or somebody 256 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: not having clean drinking water, these are these are not 257 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: problems at all. But you know, the reality is like 258 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: for us as individuals, whatever it is, hard for you? 259 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: Is hard for you? Do you know what I mean? 260 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 261 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, this morning I woke up forty three, so I 262 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: had a real turbulence sleep lately and went to sleep 263 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: reasonable hour. Woke up at two forty three, wide awake, 264 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: and I was. 265 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: Like, ah, today was this today? 266 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 267 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: And this has been happening a bit lately, and I 268 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: was like, here we go a big day tomorrow. I've 269 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: got clients early, got it up at that time, did 270 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: not go back to sleep at all, and then and 271 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: I just thought I'm gonna be rake. You know when 272 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: you feel really awake and then six am comes, just 273 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: before the alarm turns off, you just doze off and 274 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: then you wake up and you feel like ass. I 275 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: was waiting for that to happen. It didn't happen. But 276 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: I played music, positive music. I listened to some shit 277 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: to get like I just I put so much effort 278 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: into changing my state because I was like, okay, because 279 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: this is because this is happening frequently. At the moment, 280 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: this becomes a story real easy, and I can either 281 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: drag my fucking bottom lip all the way to the 282 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: gym and drag that story in. But like I put 283 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: yeah and I've been good all day, still been it's good, 284 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: not like not sharp, not good on cognitively, but. 285 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: But emotionally you've been all right, Like you're not walking 286 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: around SADDI mac sad stuff. 287 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: Nah No, And weirdly haven't haven't crashed yet four you know, 288 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: fourth thirty, We haven't. 289 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: We haven't had a nap. 290 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I mean, you know, peaks and troughs, right, 291 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: but it's it's trying to figure out in the middle 292 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: of all of that too, which we're always talking about, 293 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: figure out what's the best operating system for you, you know, 294 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: knowing you know, like I guess a good idea for 295 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: you tonight if you could would be to go to 296 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: sleep at eight o'clock, if that was an opportunity or 297 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: a chance. You know, it's like I like I'm doing 298 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm up to my eyeballs at the moment in kind 299 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: of the run home to what's called submission where you 300 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: submit all your work for your PhD. So but there's 301 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: still a lot of work to do. But I know 302 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: that if I do it somewhere around eight am till 303 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: midday or not that that's the totality of it, but 304 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: for that particular cognitive task, which is not a fun task. 305 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm much better in the morning. So one of the 306 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: mistakes that I've been making is, you know, doing other 307 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: shit and then starting my PhD at four. I'm like 308 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: and going, I'll just do this between four and ten 309 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, and it just doesn't work. It does, but 310 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: for other people it does. Like there are other people, 311 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: as you know from pH three sixty, where like later 312 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: in the day they come alive. But for fatty harps 313 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: like my brain. In fact, it's funny because for that 314 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: kind of cognitive load, that kind of work, that kind 315 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: of task where it is real intense focus and problem 316 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: solving and trying to understand stuff, for me, it's earlier 317 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: in the day. But there's things like this where it's 318 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: not that kind of work, you know, it's not that 319 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: kind of brain work where I'm just banging on with 320 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: you and I'm quite present and I'm not saying this 321 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: is the world's best podcast or the world's best episode. 322 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: But I find this easy, but I don't find the 323 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: other stuff easy, you know. So I think it's figuring 324 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: out your own timing with everything from training to sleep 325 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: to you know, food to you know, cognitive performance. 326 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 3: I have found it really hard finding that window of 327 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: time in now that I'm doing a course and doing 328 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: some study and some thinking and some creating, I'm finding 329 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 3: that really difficult, especially with what's going on with a 330 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: lack of sleep and everything. At the moment. 331 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: I'm a bit like you. 332 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: I think I'm good in the mornings. 333 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: I simp this. 334 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: So I got something popped up on my socials the 335 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: other day about body doubling. Was on an ADHD page 336 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: and I sent it to my mate and I said, 337 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: this is a thing, and that just had these things 338 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: about having a body double in the room, like just 339 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: a person in the room. 340 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: While you work, and I was thinking about it. I'm like, 341 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: that's so me, Like I need. 342 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't understand. What do you mean 343 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: having a person in the room, a body double. 344 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: Just having a person there next to you and you're like, oh, 345 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: we're doing the work, and then you do work together 346 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: and then like it's like your focus. 347 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: It's such a thing. 348 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: Get oh, I don't get what do you mean a 349 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: body double though? Are you Are you talking about an 350 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: imaginary thing or an actual person? 351 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 2: No, Like I mean just a person, a real person 352 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: in the room with you, like you're in a classroom, 353 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: or like you're in a group. 354 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: Why is that called a body double? 355 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: I just was on the Fuck Ups. 356 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Well, I'm curious. I've never heard the term. To me, 357 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: it's something in a movie. 358 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: I have to find the creator of the the reel 359 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: now and send it to you so you can find Okay. 360 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: So the point is you're saying, if you're doing something 361 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: but somebody in the room, there's someone in the room 362 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: with you doing a similar something or also working, you're 363 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: more productive. 364 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah, I think I've focus better if I 365 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: think I'm doing things with someone. That's why I gets 366 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 3: so in my head or so distracted with things. So 367 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: I got we're doing this now? 368 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I similar to that, right, if I've 369 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: got to do typ work or I've got a bunch 370 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: of work coming up with conferences, corporate stuff and then 371 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: public stuff. By the way, everyone, we're launching some public 372 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: workshops soon. We're coming to everywhere except Canberra because Tip 373 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: said it's no good. Then yeah, no, I actually don't 374 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: know where we're going. I actually like Canberra and I've 375 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: done workshops there before. But if Melissa's got to do 376 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: some you know, typ stuff corp stuff like events stuff, 377 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: business stuff, and I've got to do stuff. Quite often, 378 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: we'll just jump on zoom and we'll do we'll do 379 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of it together where we're just working through 380 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: something and I'm typing, she's typing. Her head's on the screen, 381 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: My head's on her screen. I'm like, what do you 382 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: think of this? Okay? So when should we launch that? 383 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: She's like, have you written a copy for that? I'm like, no, 384 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: when do you need the copy by? I go, all right, well, 385 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: what do we how much money are we going to 386 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: spend on that? What do you think? Blah blah blah, 387 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: you know, do you think we could go with this? 388 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: Do you think okay, what do you think the price 389 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: point is for that? Should we do an early bird off? 390 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Or do you think? You know all this stuff? And 391 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: you know we're going to go to Perth alright, so 392 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: do we want to like try and get two hundred 393 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: bums on seats or five hundred bums on seats? What 394 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: do you think? And what venues do you think? And 395 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: like just all of that and we get ten hours 396 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: of work done in and out? What do you laugh at? So? 397 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: I think we all got the point about ten minutes ago. 398 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Keep going, Oh, that's very rude. Too many examples. 399 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: No, I got it, I've got it now. You just 400 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: nailed it at the end. I'm with you. 401 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: Shut up. I don't like you anymore. You know my friend, 402 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: my friend. You can't be my friend anymore. That's it, everybody. Hey, 403 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: I need a new friend. Just apply the project facebook page. 404 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: You want to be my friend. If you want to 405 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: replace Tiff, there's an opening. She's shit. She's a shit friend. 406 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: Makes me feel bad just because she woke up at 407 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: two forty three. She's decided to be a you know what, 408 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: you know what? She's being one of them one of 409 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: the words I can't say on this show. 410 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: Apparently, Oh, dear, choke. 411 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: On your chicken. I hape your choke on your chicken breast. 412 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: I have a chicken breast tonight. 413 00:22:59,520 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: Did you know? 414 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: Clear? I hope you choke on it. I don't really. Everyone, 415 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: don't send me an email. All right? Well, so are 416 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: you saying I'm a little bit verbose? Are you reinforcing 417 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: what sister Catherine said in grade four? 418 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 2: Got there and nailed it, And you've got a body double. 419 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: You and Melissa a body doubling to get your work done. 420 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 1: I don't even understand the relationship between the concept and 421 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: the term, but okay, I'll take it. Yeah, I think. 422 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: But also, like to that point, there's a guy called Alex. 423 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: Shout out to Alex. I'm going to say Alex, and 424 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: so he can listen to himself on the podcast. Alex 425 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: sits at the cafe every morning about fifteen feet from me. 426 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: And Alex is an investor in the stock market. Like 427 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: that's his job, is the stock market. Like I've got 428 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: no idea. I wouldn't know a share from a bloody 429 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: desert boot from a banana, right, so I don't. But 430 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: that's his and he's a genius at it, and I 431 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: think he does very well at it. But he lives 432 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: in the apartments right next to the cafe. But every 433 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: morning when I get there at stupid o'clock, he's already there, 434 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: and he sits there with his computer, sits there with 435 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: his phone, he's got earphones in and he's working. And 436 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: he also often has this like spiral bound book or 437 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: this little diary where he's writing with a pen in 438 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: that he's working on his computer, and he'll be there 439 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: before me and after me. So he's there for hours 440 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: and then sometimes not often, I go back in the 441 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: middle of the day to get a coffee and he's 442 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: still there and I go, have you been here since 443 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: six o'clock? He goes, nah, I went and worked out 444 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: and I came back. So he literally lives thirty meters 445 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: from that table. But he's much more productive in the 446 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: middle of Mayhem than sitting in his apartment by himself, 447 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: like beautiful apartment. He's like, yeah, I need I need stimulus. 448 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: I need stimuli around me. And it's funny. You would 449 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: think that that would not be good for focus or 450 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: attention or productivity or efficiency because there's so much shit 451 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: going on, But like, I'm quite productive in the morning too, 452 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: because I do a bit of work, then I say 453 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: low to someone, then they go. Then I do more 454 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: work than someone else, and then yeah, it seems to 455 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: be me sitting there completely engrossed in something for five hours. 456 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: Typically ain't happening when I. 457 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: Was walking sometime this week I can't remember, when I 458 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: was going out for a walk and I was thinking 459 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: about content and stuff that I had to plan and create, 460 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: and I was listening to a podcast. And when I'm 461 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: moving my legs and listening to a podcast. Part of 462 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: my brain works fucking perfectly for thinking and creating and 463 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: coming up with ideas and planning, And I'm like, how 464 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: can that be happening when I'm doing all these other things? 465 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: And then I come and I sit the computer, and 466 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 3: I'm like, right, all that amazing stuff and everything just 467 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: shuts down. And I'll find it weird that I can 468 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: listen to a conversation and then have another method of 469 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: thought happening in my brain creating an idea at the 470 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: same time. 471 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: It's so weird to me. 472 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's often the way I mean, you think 473 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: about like developing your show, coming up with ideas and thoughts, stories, 474 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: messages that are relevant but also interesting, and that is cognitive, 475 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: but it's more creative, right, And I think, I mean, 476 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: there's I think there's a bit of evidence to suggest 477 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: that when we're moving we're more creative. And you know, yeah, 478 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: you come back, you sit at your computer and it's 479 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: like a creative desert. There's just nothing going on. I 480 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: need to move, you know. It's like I feel like 481 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: I have which is probably not true, but I seem 482 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: to have really good ideas in the shower and the 483 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: amount of times I get out of the shower wet 484 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: and then write something because I have a big whiteboard 485 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: in my room because I'm a weirdo in my bedroom 486 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: and I get out wet and I just write this 487 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: thing on these ideas on the whiteboard before I forget it, 488 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: or before I forget that. It's like I might have 489 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: two or three or four lines which are the start 490 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: of a post, but if I don't get them out 491 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: of my head and onto paper or onto a whiteboard 492 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: or onto a computer screen, they vanish. 493 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: See I've done that. 494 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: I'll take notes when I'm out, and then i'll get 495 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 3: back and still I'll look at. 496 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: The notes and go, so, yeah, right, what was your 497 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: big idea, mate? What's so profound? 498 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 3: I'll think, Oh, that's really that's just interesting. I'm going 499 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: to record a podcast on that when I get home. 500 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: That's really interesting thought process. And then I have my 501 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: little notes and I read them and I'm like, what's 502 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: your point, cookie, it's a big idea here? 503 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: Do you know what a trojan horse is? 504 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: Something that gets on your computer when. 505 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: You Okay, so no, not that not the virus. So 506 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: the original idea and I should have looked this up 507 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: before I so for all of the historians who were 508 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: more have better recall than me. But so the idea 509 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: I can't even remember who it was. But you know, 510 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: one one kind of war LORDI dude, he built basically 511 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: this great, big, huge, as big as my house timber horse, 512 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: which was beautiful and amazing and it was on wheels, 513 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: and he bought it kind of as a he made it, 514 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: and he built it to this ruler king whatever as 515 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: a gift, as an offering to you know, and the 516 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: king the other dude was like, oh great, I know 517 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm mangling this everyone so o emami. But anyway, they 518 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: opened the gates and they wieled in this big, beautiful 519 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: present of this ginormous timber horse, which was majestic and 520 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: all of that. But inside the timber horse were a 521 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: bunch of his soldiers and warriors who came out, and 522 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: that was how they got inside the walls of this 523 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: compound to then attack the people in there. Right. So 524 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: that's called a trojan horse when you go in kind 525 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: of under the guise of oh, look we're doing this 526 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: nice thing or we're doing this thing, but really we're 527 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: actually doing something else. Right, And I was thinking about 528 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: this idea of psychological trojan horses. Now this is how 529 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: my mind works, right, I'm like, how do I share 530 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: human behavior and psychology and you know, all the shit 531 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: about theory of mind and metacognition and all these kind 532 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: of dry, boring ideas in a kind of a psychological 533 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: or cognitive or conversational trojan horse. And so you tell 534 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: stories or you use humor and you think about like, really, 535 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: for the most part, the you project is about you know, 536 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: it's about how do we think better, do better, be better, 537 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: create better. It's about the human experience. It's about your mind, 538 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: it's about your body, it's about your potential. It's about 539 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: all of those things. But then how do we get 540 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: to that, Like what's the between the intro and getting 541 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: to that point where? And so often it's about like, 542 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: you've told stories today, you woke up at two forty three. 543 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: I've told stories which you shut down like a motherfucker 544 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: about how Melissa and I work, which apparently I talk 545 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: too long and it was incredibly fucking boring and you 546 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: should have put a time out signal in front. No 547 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: thanks for that back in therapy for fatty harps. But anyway, 548 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: but I mean, this is how we get to the 549 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: point of, oh, how do we talk about these interesting 550 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: things like performing under pressure, and how did we talk 551 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: about like trying to work at an eight or a 552 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: nine out of ten when you feel like a three. Well, 553 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: you tell stories, right, because this is part of the 554 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: human experience is you're going to have days where you 555 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: feel like shit, but the reality of the day is 556 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: you've still got to show up, you know. So yeah, 557 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: for me, that's that kind of conversational trojan horse where 558 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't stand on a stage and go all right, everybody, 559 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about your mind. You know, 560 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I just go, hey, put up your hand if you're 561 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: an overthinker, and everyone goes, oh fuck, their hand goes 562 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: up and they go me and I go, how's that 563 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: working out for you? And they all laugh, and you know, 564 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: I go, it's exhausting, isn't it. And then so we 565 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: have fun and we have interaction, and I'm telling a story. 566 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: And then but I'm opening the door on this really 567 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: important issue is the relationship between anxiety and fear and 568 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: overthinking and self sabotage and all of these interesting things 569 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: that you need to kind of kind of get in 570 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: the trojan horse and surprise them, you know, by ah, look, 571 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm not just telling you a story or being funny. 572 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm teaching you something. But it's coming in a kind 573 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: of a conversational trojan horse. 574 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: I always leaned back on thinking about how like thinking 575 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: about boxing for me so lately because of that inner 576 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: voice that in a narrative beating the shit out of 577 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: me in the middle of podcast, telling me I'm pretty shit, 578 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 3: and she'd just wrap it all up. And I think 579 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: about the stories I tell and the times when I 580 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: was sparring and doing the same thing and feeling like 581 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: I was never getting better and I was shitty shit, 582 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: and then being told by my coach it was the 583 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: best session ever, and like the times that it just 584 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 3: but boxing always hurt. It was always hard, and it 585 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: wasn't overnight, and it was every day, and it was 586 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: fucking hard work, and I loved it anyway, Like it 587 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: was hard work all of the time. And after remind 588 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: myself of that when I'm doing what I do, that 589 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: I chose to do, that I love to do, and 590 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 3: I chose it because I love it, and you've got 591 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: to do it every day and you get better and 592 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: better but it hurts and you get punched in the 593 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: face and in the middle of getting better and Betty, 594 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: you tell yourself shitter and shitter at times. 595 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean choosing choosing to do the 596 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: thing that most people wouldn't do. They wouldn't make that choice. 597 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: And obviously we're not talking about reckless silly, but yeah, 598 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's you know, I mean, as we 599 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: say all the times, it's like consciously doing hard things, 600 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: doing hard things by choice. Like it's all cliche, but 601 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, go where you grow. That's like the 602 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: biggest cliche and self help, but it's kind of true, 603 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: Like what where do you build resilience? Well, not sitting 604 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: on the couch, not not taking the easy option, not 605 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: avoiding the decisions you know, you know, not by stuffing 606 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: stuff into your body that's bad for your body, like 607 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: you you're fucking killing yourself and sabotaging yourself, your own genetics, 608 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: your own health, your own potential, you know, by not 609 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: trying anything, by you know, by letting your fear control you, 610 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: you know. And yes, it's all easier said than done. 611 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: And just me on a podcast, just saying shit doesn't 612 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: mean anything, right, but when you actually go, look, I'm 613 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: real scared, but I'm going to have a go great 614 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: like that now you've conquered some fear and that now 615 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: you've been courageous, and you might fuck up, you might 616 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: fall down, you might win, you might learn something. It 617 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: could be a disaster, it could be good, it could 618 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle. It could be a bit 619 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: of both. But you're probably not going to die. You're 620 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: probably going to learn something. You're probably going to develop 621 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: a better resilience and a bit of insight, and then 622 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: you do better, Like when from the first time you 623 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: put on gloves to the best moment of your life 624 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: as a boxer was just like a long journey and 625 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: you start off with no skill, no confidence, no awareness, 626 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: no ring craft, no knowledge, no science, no fucking anything. 627 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: But nobody's ever started boxing career with twelve fights under 628 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: their belt. Nobody's ever started nobody's ever got into the 629 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: ring for the first time and been good. Yeah, like 630 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: this is literally where you start. You start being bad, 631 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: you start being inept, you start being unqualified, you start 632 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: being unskilled, you start being scared. Like that's the starting points, 633 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 1: but you know, we can't move to like for people 634 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: who want mastery, well, fuck, mastery comes with miles and 635 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: lots and lots, and you want to be a master 636 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: at something. You want to be better than not anyone 637 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: else necessarily but maybe, but you want to be way 638 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: better than your current level in whatever it is. Will 639 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: then just keep working, Just keep working and stop looking 640 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: for the magic pill you know, and go where you grow. 641 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: I know it's cheesy, but all right, Well, I feel 642 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: like you better have your chicken breast. I really hope 643 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: you don't choke. I feel super bad if you do 644 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: so after you've consumed that, if you could send me 645 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: a text say it's actually calm down, well, just make sure, 646 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: really make sure you chew well tonight, could you? 647 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: I we'll do. 648 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like your mum and dad 649 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: might be mad at me for a very long time 650 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: if I prophetically kind of announce your demise via a 651 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: chicken breast. What happened to Tiff? Well, you hear what 652 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: Harp said. You put the on her? Yeah yeah, yeah, 653 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: yeah she was chewing but ended up there was a 654 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: bone in there, and stop it. You'll be fine. You'll 655 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: be fine. Maybe just have some McNuggets instead, just to 656 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: be safe. 657 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what's worse. 658 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: Al TIF, thank you, Thanks everyone,