1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: I get at Ypter's Craig, Anthony, Hapa, Tiffany and Cook. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: It's it's Sunday, it's six thirty three, and I'm going 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: to be a little honest, a little honest, a little transparent, 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: a little vulnerable. This almost didn't happen this podcast. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: Sure we were tired, didn't you A little bit after time? 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: A little bit a little bit. I fuck it anyway, 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: and I was, do you know what this out works? Right? 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: So tomorrow I'm in where I'm interviewing doctor No, you're 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: you're there as well, doctor Bill. We've got some good 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: guests lined up this week. But yesterday, you know, when 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: you we're not doing seven a week every week, but 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: we're trying at the moment, like few things honest people know. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, yesterday I spent a good hour and a 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: half writing some notes and doing a deep dive and 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: doing some thinking and doing a bit of research and 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: prepping for a show, an episode that I want to 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: do around the brain, right and so not the mind, 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: the brain, like the organ, the three pound, one point 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: four kilogram thing that sits in our head, just to 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: and anyway, I did all this awesome prep. Then I 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: went to record it. I started recording it and I 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: basically did a big verbal poo about ten minutes in 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: just and hated myself. I'm like, this sounds shit. And 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: then and then I twenty minutes later I rolled again. 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: This time i'd had a coffee. You know how when 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: I drink milk, I get all like like a cat 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: with a fucking. 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: Fur ball, right, Yes, so I was doing that, so 29 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: I can. 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I started that podcast three times and I anyway, So 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: that's everyone. If you're wondering why there was no podcast 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: today Sunday, the sixteenth of the eleventh, that is why. 33 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: But anyway, because I didn't. 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Want you to have to deal with my fur balls 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: or my fucking appreciate that. 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: I deeply appreciate it. 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: Thank you well you didn't have to try and edit 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 3: them all out. 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, so I did want to chat today about 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: something that is broadly relevant and something. 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: I I'm very aware of. I'm acutely aware of. 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: I probably didn't understand this when I was younger, when 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: I was a young gym instructor, when I was eighteen 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: years old and I was teaching, and you know, obviously 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: with very limited understanding. When you're an eighteen year old 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: gym instructure. You think you know a bit, you know 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: fuck all, but you know, but the idea that there 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: is a best a best something, a best program, a 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: best diet, a best number of hours of sleep, a 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: best way to train your legs, or a best way 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: to hold on to muscle and lose body fat, or 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: a best way to have optimal energy, or a best 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: way to study, or a best way to research, or 54 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: a best way to grow a business, or a best 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: way to get followers on Instagram. There's this very kind 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: of common belief that we need to find the best 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: strategy or dose or medicine or protocol or program, and 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: once we find that then and so it's I guess 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: the misnoma is that there is a single best way. 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: And so I wanted to talk about firstly, let me 61 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: read something, and then we're going to do a deep 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: dive into this idea of an equals one doing our 63 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: own research, figuring out what works for us in the 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: middle of all of the advice and all of the 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: wisdom and all of the science and all of the 66 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: research which we should pay attention to. But you know, 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: hold that kind of loosely with the knowledge that what 68 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: will be optimal for TIF in terms of diet or 69 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: exercise or sleep or recovery or career or relationship type 70 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean we were talking before we went 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: live about most people would not like my life or 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: yours because there's a lot of unpredictability and a lot 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: of uncertainty and a lot of unknowns. Most people don't 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: like that, Like I don't know how much money I'll 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: make week to week because I don't have a set 76 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: wage and it changes all the time. And honestly, some 77 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: weeks I make no money, like literally zero dollars depending 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: on what's happening, and other weeks I make not bad money, 79 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: and so on and so on. So you know, even 80 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: in terms of the way that my life works with 81 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: work with income, with work life balance, with working from home, 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: with not knowing week to week or month to month 83 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: what my income might look like, what gigs I'll get, 84 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: what bookings I'll get, what sponsors I'll get for this show, 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: What sponsors you'll get for your show? 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: What clients going to turn up for you or not 87 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: turn up for you? Day to day, week to week. 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: There's a lot of unknown and a lot of variability 89 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: around that. And for some people that's good because it's exciting, 90 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: it's not boring, it's not too repetitious. But for other people, 91 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: it's the opposite of what they want. So here's what 92 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: I wrote the other day. 93 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: The words that will comfort one person will make another 94 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: person angry. The idea that makes total sense to one 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: individual will make zero sense to another. The medicine that 96 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: works amazingly for patient A will cause a life threatening 97 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: reaction for patient B, even though they have the same condition. 98 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: The barbell squat that's amazing for the Jim bro is 99 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: the worst exercise in the world for his training partner. 100 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: The supplement that improves cognitive function and energy for one 101 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: UNI student gives her study partner a gut ache and 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: nothing else. The golden retriever that has a calming effect 103 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: on one person create an anxiety response in another. The 104 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: husband's hilarious TV show is the wife's complete garbage. The 105 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: gym that is my natural habitat will be someone else's 106 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: terrifying environment. The religion that is one person's spiritual home 107 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: is someone else's dogmatic mind cult. 108 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: And I just. 109 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: Think that that like keeping that stuff in mind tif 110 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: knowing that you know the thing that's going to work 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: for you optimally for somebody else is not. And so 112 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: the idea that we can get advice from people that 113 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: don't know us as well as we know us, which 114 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: is nobody knows us as well as we know us, 115 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: or that somebody that hardly knows you, even if they're 116 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 1: well qualified and experienced. We need to keep in mind 117 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: that all experts. I'm not an expert, You're not an expert. 118 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: We're just people on a podcast. But some people would 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: consider experts. But when I talk to people, even if 120 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about exercise, even if I'm talking about exercise programming, 121 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: which I am well qualified in and I've done decades 122 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: of work in that space and train thousands of humans. 123 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Even when I give someone specific advice, Even when I 124 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: write a program for someone, even when I give them 125 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: a feedback or input, it's still educated guessing. I don't 126 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: know exactly what the outcome will be. So when old 127 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: mate or missus old mate comes to me and they say, 128 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: can you give me some advice on whatever? How do 129 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I get a better ars and legs or whatever, which 130 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: I've been asked fifteen thousand times, I'll go try this, 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: this and this, do more of that, do less of that, 132 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 1: make you do full make sure you do full range 133 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: with that. Maybe pause at the bottom a little bit. 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: You know, this is how your stand should be activated. 135 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: TVA transversus of dominance. Make sure this, make sure that 136 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: head up, neutral spine. Well, I give them all this advice, 137 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: but I still don't know one whether or not they're 138 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: going to do it, and to what the actual outcome 139 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: will be, because everybody's mind, and everybody's physiology and everybody's 140 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: emotional system interacts differently to the person next to them, 141 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: even if it's the same stimulus. So yeah, what about 142 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: what about for you? What have you figured out that 143 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: works for you individually that probably would not work for 144 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: other people or you might not recommend to others. 145 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: Got heaps of stuff, cookies, how many cookies? I ate? 146 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: But I was talking about this with clients this week, 147 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: just about that idea of what we know, but like 148 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: it shifts and changes, Like what works for me now 149 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: is vastly different to what I did and what worked 150 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 2: for me for so many years and what I loved 151 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: and how I did, especially in terms of movement and training. 152 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: And the trouble is we are slow to catch on 153 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: we hold things too tightly. I held on so tightly 154 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: to what was good for me and why. And the 155 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 2: trouble is, there's there's causation, correlation and context, and the 156 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: thing that we are looking at is a percent of 157 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: the entire equation of what is happening in our bodies 158 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: and minds and our lives that is going into the 159 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: results that we're getting. But we put blinkers on, you know, 160 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: we go, Oh, I want my body to change, So 161 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to go for two days a week into 162 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: a gym and do sixty minutes of training. Tell me 163 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: what to do. You've got every other hour of every 164 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: other day. You've got things you put in your mouth, 165 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: You've got things that peak your cortersol, and you and 166 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: your entire systems doing shit all of that other time. 167 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: But we look at but those two things that I'm 168 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: doing that someone told me to do, that's going to 169 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: make change my body? 170 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And even. 171 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: When we're educated, we just don't have the capacity as 172 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: humans to be aware of all of the things that 173 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: even when we're self aware, all of the things that 174 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: are influencing our choices, our behaviors, our stress systems. We 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: never know what stress we're under. When we're under the stress, 176 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: I always know as I'm coming out of a stress, 177 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: how stressed I've been. I'm like, can spend two years 178 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: going you know, it's been such an amazing time, and 179 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 2: then I can come out from a situation look back 180 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: and go, oh, oh, I've been processing and really, you know, 181 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: I look at the last five years and go, oh, 182 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: I've processed a lot of stuff in the last five years. 183 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: I've kind of been doing a thing that I didn't 184 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: think I was doing. 185 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you're really on the money when you 186 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: say that. You know, what were word for you at 187 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: one stage doesn't work for you now, and what you're 188 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: doing now probably wouldn't have worked for you ten years ago. 189 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: Like I think about the fact you said before we 190 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: started recording, you said, have you finished your steps for 191 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: the day, because it's quarter to seven and I've got 192 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: to get my ten thousand plus steps in right, And 193 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: I went, ah, I'm money at nine and a half and. 194 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. If you had have said to. 195 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: Me when I was twenty five, you're going to be 196 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: walking give or take ten kilometers a day, and I 197 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: would have been ashamed of myself because I would have 198 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: thought that as being pathetic, like, oh, you're walking, Oh 199 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: you fucking weapon, you're walking. I would have been embarrassed 200 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: at myself, right, but because I'm not running, I'm not, 201 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's like fuck walking. 202 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: Oh run. Not only will I run, I will. 203 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Run in soft sand or upp a fucking hill or upstairs, 204 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: and I'll probably be wearing a weight vest. 205 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: Fuck your walk, but right but there, hell, it's like 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 3: it's not even well. 207 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: The physiology is good, I mean moving, you know, moving 208 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: my body. 209 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: That much each day is good. 210 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: But for me, the psychological and emotional benefits are probably 211 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: outweigh the physiological ones. For me, it just does something 212 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: great to my brain, It does something great to my 213 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: nervous system. 214 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: It just puts me in a good mood. I don't know. 215 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: Like when I started doing it, my only motivation was 216 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: just the awareness that, oh fuck, I'm walking four thousand 217 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: steps a day. This is pathetic on average, because my 218 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: phone told me I was a fat fuck right, And 219 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: then I realized, well, shit, I better just and I 220 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: started it just because of that because I didn't want to. 221 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: I want I need it to move more, you know. 222 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: But now I do this thing, which is a hardwird 223 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: like I've not missed a day in over a year, 224 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: and there's nothing in me that I was ah, fuck, 225 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: I got to go and walk. 226 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: Oh, like there's no you know. 227 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll get to the end of the day because 228 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: I've had a really busy day and I go, fuck, it's. 229 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 3: Nine o'clock and I've still got to do four thousand steps. 230 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: And so every now and then there's a bit of like, yeah, 231 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: all right, well I'll go out. 232 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: And There's been more than ten nights where I've walked 233 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: in the rain because that's my only option. I go, 234 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm water proof. I'll get wet, I'll come home, 235 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: I'll take my wet shit off, I'll have a shower 236 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: and I'll put on dry shit. Like this is not 237 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: really a challenge, you know, ah, but it's raining. Yeah, 238 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm wa to proof, you know, it's like fucking it's okay. 239 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, the stuff that I do now, the stuff 240 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: that you know, when I was young, I really for 241 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: a while liked working for someone, and then I kind 242 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: of got to the point where I went, now, I 243 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: don't like working for someone, and you know, like I 244 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: get up every day and there's a lot of uncertainty 245 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: in that I don't know what will happen today exactly. 246 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't know which work I'm going to do exactly. 247 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to call. I don't know 248 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: what emails I'm going to get. I don't know where. 249 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: You know with certainty where my energy and focus will 250 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: be all day, because my days are quite fluid. They're 251 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: somewhat structured, but they're probably more fluid than I know 252 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: what I need to get done over the course. It's 253 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: a little bit like my presentations where I talk for 254 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: three hours with no structure. I'm going to get through 255 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: all the bits I want to get through, but I'm 256 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: not sure where I'll start or where I'll finish and 257 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: what the middle bit will be. But we'll get it 258 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: all covered, and it's going to be more organic and intuitive, 259 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: and it's going to be more in. 260 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: A state of flow than a state of precision planning. Right. 261 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: But that really works for my personality, That really works 262 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: for my energy, that really works for my nervous system 263 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: and my emotional system, and it really works for me 264 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: in terms of being able to be the best version 265 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: of me when I go and do whatever it is 266 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: that I do. I am absolutely positive that if I 267 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: had to work in a metaphoric box every day where 268 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: I had to kind of do a version of the 269 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: same thing, same hours, same place, same time for lunch, 270 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: same time, getting there, same time, leaving, same fucking oh 271 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: oh me personally. And I know for some people that's 272 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: actually heaven because they love the predictability and the familiarity 273 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: and they just happen to work in a place they like, 274 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: in a culture they like, with people they like. 275 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: So I get that. 276 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying this is unequivocally good or bad. 277 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying Craig Harper would not work well in 278 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: that environment, you know. So it's knowing, it's knowing how 279 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: you work, rather than going to some career counselor what 280 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: do you think I should do? It's like they don't 281 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: fucking know because they don't know you like, where are 282 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: you happy? Where do you find joy? What are you 283 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: passionate about? 284 00:15:59,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: You know? 285 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: I guess if you get a good counselor, they might 286 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: ask you those questions. So apologies to create counselors. But yeah, 287 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: it's just trying to figure it out as you go. 288 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was talking about this with my client today. 289 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: He's got two sons twelve and fourteen or eleven and fourteen, 290 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: and I was talking about school and which ones are 291 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: academic and what they're doing and what they want to be, 292 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: and I was like, it is absurd to me that 293 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: kids that age would like I still don't. I'm still 294 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: making it up, and I because of what I do. 295 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: I just when people talk about their options or jobs, 296 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, just why would you not just figure out 297 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: what you're like and make it in your like, just 298 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: do a business, just make do something that revolves around that. 299 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: And I could not fathom the idea of getting up 300 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: and giving someone eight hours straight of my time and 301 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: then coming home and like, I couldn't do it. So 302 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: not having certainty, not having sick pay, not having certain 303 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: about whether or not all my clients are going to 304 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: leave tomorrow or I'm. 305 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: Going to lose contra holiday pay. 306 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, holiday pay, all of that stuff. Like I'm like, 307 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: I'll wear it because I because now this matters more. 308 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: But it's taken me forty two years to land here 309 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: of knowing that much. 310 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that comes down to your values. 311 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: One of your values is freedom, and another one is flexibility. 312 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: Another one is you know, a capacity to learn and 313 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: grow and evolve and in like however you want. You're 314 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: not good with rules, you're not good with. 315 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: Another one is security for me, which is that's been 316 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: hard for me, so I go, oh, I need security, 317 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: so I've had to build it and that's been a 318 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: long hard thing to continually bump up against. 319 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's very interesting because not too many people 320 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: are you And I was going to say, but conversely, 321 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people a lot more about security and 322 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: knowing and predictability and familiarity and you know, like for 323 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people, and I understand this. And by 324 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: the way, I don't think. I don't think for one moment, listeners, 325 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: that the way that Tiff and I operate is better. 326 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: I don't think it's better. I think it's better for 327 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: us individually. It wouldn't be a recommendation like if I 328 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: was coaching someone in this space, not that I do 329 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: in this space, but I would go, well, what like 330 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: what really matters to you and what are your values? 331 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: And I think if I was let's say, a forty 332 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: year old dude with three kids and a wife, I 333 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: would have a very different mindset about this because my 334 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: values would be different. My priority is my focus, the 335 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: things that worried me would be different, and so I 336 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: would probably have a very different perspective. And so that's 337 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: the point though, the point, that is the point. The 338 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: point is I'm not that, and that's not good or bad. 339 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: But what I am is a sixty yearsh year old 340 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: bloke who this is who I am and how I 341 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: am and what works for me is A B and C. 342 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's that's the point. 343 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: We're not we're not trying to find the single best 344 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: job or career path or subject that you should study 345 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: at university or breakfast cereal for you, or it's like, 346 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: I think the real thing to learn is how we 347 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: can learn for ourselves. How can I how can I 348 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: be the experimenter and the experimentee, How can I be 349 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: the participant and the researcher. How can I figure out, 350 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: like what do I need to do more of and 351 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: less of? What questions do I need to ask? And 352 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: what what things do I need to try? What mindset 353 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: do I need to have to kind of figure out 354 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: how to be more productive and more effective and more 355 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: content and I guess produce better results whatever that means 356 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: in my world, and I think you know how many 357 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: people are living in a groundhog day. That if your 358 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: groundhog day works for you, and if the byproduct of 359 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: your groundhog day, for the most part is that you 360 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: are happy, ish, content ish, and not too stressed and 361 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: not too overthinking and not too anxious, well then you 362 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't change much. But if you are in an 363 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: operating system and a job or a set of habits 364 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: and behaviors, or a lifestyle or a relationship which you 365 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: associate more pain than pleasure, more tears than joy, more 366 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: anxiety than calm, and you're not consciously trying to do 367 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: something to change that, then my advice would be that 368 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: nobody asked for, is that you start to think about that, 369 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: because you don't have to be resigned to a life 370 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: of mediocrity and misery. 371 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: What about this? 372 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: So? 373 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: How often do you think people as we me too, 374 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: think about or even understand how did I? How did 375 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: I become this? And what did why did? Why do 376 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: I do this? And with what I do? What brought 377 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: me in? And what keys? What do I love? What 378 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: am I? Why am I even here? But we get 379 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: we get in a job or a career or something 380 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: I made so many realizations around landing in the print industry, 381 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: print and design and marketing, and I was in there 382 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: for a long time, and it wasn't un till I 383 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: was out of it and into podcasting and started using 384 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: my voice and speaking, and that I drew the dots 385 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 2: between what I loved about the ability to create visual graphics. 386 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: That's that speak when you don't have the voice to 387 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: convey what you might like to say about you. So 388 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: I made when I made those links, I was like, fuck, 389 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: no wonder. I loved that, No wonder. I loved designing 390 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: something that can speak on your behalf because I fel 391 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: like I for a lot of my life, I didn't 392 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: use my voice when I needed to. So I needed 393 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: to put in a picture, I needed to use visuals 394 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: to speak. And then I learned about that. I learned 395 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: It took me a long time to learn that with 396 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: that safety versus risk? Okay, how much? How do I 397 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: create a schedule where I have some routine and some 398 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: security and some return to and some coming you know, 399 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: like some stability, but also lots of variety and change. 400 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: How do I even get that? Because that's hard, Like, 401 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: look at my resume and there's these three year intervals. 402 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: Every three I'd look at it and go, fuck, we 403 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: come up to three years. I think I'm going to 404 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: not love my job soon, Like what's that about? And 405 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: how long do I not love it before I decide 406 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: that I've got to find a way to move on. 407 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I think that's finding Yeah, finding that mix between stability 408 00:22:53,640 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: and security and also flexibility and freedom. Yeah, you know, 409 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's a I think that's a really not 410 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: for everybody, but I think for probably a fair percentage 411 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: of people, that's a nice combination where you know, there's 412 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: a level of freedom and a level of autonomy and 413 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: a level of flexibility, but also I'm making good dough 414 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: and I know each week I'm going to get a 415 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: pretty good paycheck, and also there's an opportunity for me to. 416 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: Grow and evolve in all of that. Or you know, or. 417 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: Even if we did it with we shared the same 418 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of concept with something like food, where you go, well, look, 419 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm going to eat really clean 420 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: and really whatever well means I'm going to do the 421 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: best thing for my body nine percent at the time 422 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: and ten percent of a time I'm just going to 423 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: eat for pleasure and that's okay, but probably not ninety ten. 424 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: But ten ninety is fine. Ten percent of the time, 425 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: I'm going. 426 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: To have some booze or I'm going to have a 427 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: cookie in your case or you know, but I'm not 428 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: going to have thirteen cookies a day, and I'm not 429 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: going to you know, most of the time, I'm doing 430 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: most of the things really well. And I think that 431 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: I've been guilty of this, right because I'm a little 432 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: bit go hard or go home, and I'm a little 433 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: bit for me, like the way that I need to 434 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: be for me, based on how I understand me, I 435 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: need to be pretty. 436 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: Absolute like for me, that just is for me. 437 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't recommend that for most people because you know, 438 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: I know, like I'm probably better than I ever have 439 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: been with this. But food is my kryptonite, right, So 440 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: everything else is not a problem, like training hard, training, 441 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: consistently working hard, you know, making money, developing relationships, all 442 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: of those things I'm not bad at, right, but my kryptonite, 443 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: that my biggest challenge has always been trying to manage 444 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: myself around food. 445 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: So I know, for me, if it's just. 446 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: Like, well I don't eat that, then it's just I 447 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: find that easier then I eat it sometimes because if 448 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: I eat it sometimes, then I want to eat that 449 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: shit all. 450 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: The time always sometimes. 451 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But also I don't have that body like 452 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: you can eat shit. I know that you eat well 453 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: nine percent of the time, but you also have you know, 454 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: you go to the cookie shop that you've spoken about 455 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the world's best cookies, and you know, maceadamia nuts and 456 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: chocolate and fucking all the yumminess therein and all the calories. 457 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: See, if I did that, I'd probably go back again 458 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: and back again and back again. 459 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: And I just like I see myself and people would 460 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: go I've had people say to me, which I understand, 461 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: I find it hard that you don't have that self 462 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: control or whatever. And I get that, and I'm not 463 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: even offended by that, that that I need to be 464 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: all or nothing, but I kind of for me, you know, for. 465 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: A lot of people are. 466 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Heroine or cocaine or booze or gambling was their addiction 467 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: or is their addiction. But for me, it was literally food, 468 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: Like I would literally eat food that I didn't need 469 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: all the time because it just gave me that pleasure 470 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: that dopamine. It just made me feel so fucking amazing. 471 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: Obviously a very short lived amazing because then I felt 472 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: fucking horrendous physically, emotionally, mentally right. But I didn't learn 473 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: my lesson for a very long time. But the truth 474 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: is that I was just doing irrational things with food, 475 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: as many people do and have done. And I would 476 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: eat a certain way when people watching, I would eat 477 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: differently when people weren't watching, and you know, and so 478 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: for me, I just needed to make a decision. I 479 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: don't know why I am that way around food, but 480 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: I do have or and have that capacity for that 481 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: addictive kind of behavior clearly with food, because I struggle 482 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: with it for a long time. And again this is 483 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: back to that n equals one kind of thinking, whereas like, well, Craig, 484 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: what's the. 485 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: Best for you? 486 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: Well, what's the best for me is to eat a 487 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: really good, healthy breakfast that's yummy, and I have a 488 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: version of the same thing every day. Dinner is a 489 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: version of the same thing. It's some protein. It's often 490 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: like some basmati rice and some veggies. Every night and 491 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: through the day, if I'm hungry, there might be some 492 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: nuts or seeds or protein. 493 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: Bar and it's pretty much a version of that. 494 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: But it's not like I eat that and go, oh fuck, 495 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: this is horrible and boring, but geez on discipline. No, 496 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: I love all of my meals. I still get joy 497 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: from eating. But I'd never struggle with you know, because 498 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: I don't open the junk food door. Oh that's not 499 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: totally honest. Every now and then I do, but it's 500 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: really something that's I planned. But if I was kind 501 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: of semi regularly, if I was buying a pizza every 502 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Friday night, I'd probably buy a pizza every Wednesday night 503 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: as well, within within and then i'd probably buy one 504 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: on a Thursday as well, you know. So and again 505 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: I just think that's that uh, you know, that understanding 506 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: that it's not all arbitrary. 507 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: It's not like, well, why don't you just do this? 508 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: Well, and that's you know, that's for me, that was 509 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: something that I had to really start to understand. Helping 510 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: people create new outcomes and helping people create change is 511 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of like a lot of my kind 512 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: of operating system and my personal thinking around what I 513 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: would do was actually inappropriate for the people that I'm 514 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: working with. So I needed to understand because how I 515 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: would approach this problem. If I recommended that to them, 516 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: that would actually be bad advice and bad coaching because 517 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: they're not me. They don't have my predisposition, they don't 518 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: have my genetics, they don't have my background, they don't 519 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: have my personality, they don't have my addictive whatever for 520 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: that thing, And so it's trying to understand that person. 521 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: And then you know, you give the best advice or 522 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: the best coaching you can broadly speaking, but then you 523 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: kind of see how that individual responds to that particular 524 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: protocol or whatever it is, and then learn from there. 525 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: Like with food, I've got a version of that, Like 526 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: if you brought it. If you brought me ten of 527 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: those cookies to my house and said, I've got your present. 528 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: If you brought me one, I'd be like, you're amazing. 529 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: If you brought me ten, I would almost be angry. 530 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: I'll be like, that's not funny. That's actually not funny 531 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: because I can't have because I will eat ten and 532 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: I'll eat them and I'll feel sick, and I'll eat 533 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: them again as soon as I'm not feeling like I'll 534 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: do that. So it's like I can't have portions of 535 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: stuff at my house, I have to go out to 536 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: get it. 537 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: So you and I have just publicly disclosed that we've 538 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: both got fucking body dysmorphia and eating issues and at 539 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: the very least, if not an eating disorder, which I 540 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: think we're closer to that end of. 541 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: The scale, at the very least disordered eating. This was 542 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: not my plan. 543 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: But you know, it's like I always say this line 544 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: in a lot of different context and it applies here. It' 545 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: to use your relationship with the thing that shapes your life, 546 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: not the thing. So my relationship with how I eat 547 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: as is yours. Once you understand that, you go, oh, 548 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: it's not It's not the cookies, it's my relationship with it. 549 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: So if I decide this protocol works with me, I 550 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: go and have a cookie however many times a week 551 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: that I want to, and that's it, but I don't 552 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: have more. And when someone brings me a big fucking 553 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: bulk bag of cookies to my house, I go, no, 554 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: you can't. That can't be left here. That's not good, 555 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: that's not fun for me. I I'm my boundaries. Wow, yeah, 556 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: I think when I was little. When I was little, 557 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: I used to mumm used to do shopping on a Thursday. 558 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: She'd fill the fridge up, and I'd come home and 559 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: I would eat like my dad. She would serve up 560 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: a plate of dinner at the size of my dad's. 561 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: I'd eat it. I'd eat all the leftovers, and then 562 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: i'd go to the fridge and I'd have all the 563 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: And one day, you know those big mudcakes from like 564 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: just the supermarket, just the ships market ones, big chocolate mudcake. 565 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: One day, I had had a big roast dinner and 566 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: then I had a little slither of that cake, and 567 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: I ate the whole thing, aside from one tiny slice 568 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: I left for mom, the whole thing, Like this tiny, little, skinny, friggin' 569 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: teenage kid, I was just a hoover. 570 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: How old were you at this stage. 571 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: Oh, like thirteen fourteen. I would just in it. She'd 572 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: be like, what, why do you have to eat every 573 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: I'd do shopping on a Thursday? One Do you have 574 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: to eat everything? 575 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: Now? 576 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: We've got nothing nice for the rest of the week. 577 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but it's so good. 578 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm I'm surprised that that I reckon you're 579 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: more of an addict than me, Like it's a good 580 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: thing for you it kind of stopped with food. Did 581 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: you ever get addicted to anything, not necessarily food, but like, 582 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: was anything else in that addictive kind of space? 583 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: No? Thank god I didn't get into drugs. 584 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I reckon. If I ever started drinking, I 585 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: would have been amazing at it. Yeah, I would have 586 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: been like I would have drunk Booze for Australia. 587 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: I would drink when I was younger, and I would 588 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: drink to it. I would binge drink when I went 589 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: out or drink to a sess. 590 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: But wow, yeah, but not you just say you would 591 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: binge drink when you went out. 592 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would drink excessively. Yeah, but I wouldn't but not, 593 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to drink regularly if I was Once 594 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: I was out and drinking, I would drink a lot, 595 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: way too much, but probably because I would drink stuff 596 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: that was sugary and it was more of a sugar thing. 597 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my an alcoholics. No, No, I'm 598 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: a sure addict. I'm haven't you had that? Sweet Wow? 599 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: You should have just taken some pepsi max and be 600 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: done with it. You would have saved yourself. 601 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: A lot of dollars and a lot of hangovers. Probably 602 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: would have given yourself a tumor with those fucking artificial sweetness. 603 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. 604 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what for somebody who's been using artificial 605 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: sweeteners for about forty years, I'm a little bit nervous 606 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: at the moment. 607 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: I've just been doing a bit of a deep dive. 608 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: Oh so. 609 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: This is not a recommendation everyone, but Craig Anthony Harper. 610 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: All he has these days is neutrals sweet, which is 611 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: what's that plant called again. 612 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: I'm just blanking. 613 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: Steviavia yep, so not is it not neutral sweet anyway? 614 00:33:59,640 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: Steve? 615 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, is the Yeah, so that's that kind of plant derived. 616 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. So my preliminary findings seem to suggest that that. Again, 617 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: this is not a recommendation. 618 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: Do your own research, but yeah, yeah, those those ones 619 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: that are made in the lab. I think there are 620 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: I think there are some real cognitive potential, cognitive and 621 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: other consequences for people using lots of that shit. So 622 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: m anyway, that was a very uplifting ending. Again, you 623 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: might find that your body's great with it. I personally 624 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't recommend it if it's been it's been real. I 625 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: don't know this that this is our standout stellar performance. 626 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: But it is Sunday night at seven o eight now, 627 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: so it's been to be weak. 628 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: It's going to be weak. It's nearly yet bedtime. 629 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: Are you going to are you going to go and 630 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: have a cookie or what's your Have you had dinner? 631 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had dinner. I'm done now. I've had a 632 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 2: bit early, Harps. I'm like five point thirty dinner for me. 633 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: I've hit Nana age. 634 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do. I don't know how 635 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: you do dinner before podcast. I've got to. 636 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: Wait till after seven. 637 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: I'll stay there once I do dinner. 638 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: Though, my brain's like a fucking wombat, just like that's it. 639 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: Everything just it's like my body goes, oh, we're done. 640 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: We don't have to think anymore. Here's food. We don't 641 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: have to think now we've just got to sleep. Thanks Tiff, 642 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: Thanks Harps.