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Speaker 1: Welcome to L three sixty Rugby League from every angle,

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Speaker 1: joining me again the great good and tell us it's

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Speaker 1: been the Jono Australian Poor Crawley and Dean Richie and

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Speaker 1: let's get straight to it. Queensland coach Billy Slade has

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Speaker 1: launched an emotion chart spray at former Blues prop Aaron

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Speaker 2: Take a look.

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Speaker 3: When you hold a position in the media in our game,

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Speaker 3: I feel that's a privilege and with that privilege comes

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Speaker 3: a responsibility. I sit in that position. I know Aaron Woods.

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Speaker 3: I actually ran into him about three or four weeks

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Speaker 3: ago at a footy game and he didn't voice that opinion.

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Speaker 3: Then he actually brought his son over to introduce him

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 4: All Right.

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Speaker 3: Our game creates attention, but there's a responsibility with that attention,

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Speaker 3: all right, and when you.

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Speaker 5: How will I put this?

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Speaker 3: When you degrade someone personally in a derogatory manner, you

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Speaker 3: probably don't deserve one of those privileged positions that you're

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Speaker 3: all in.

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Speaker 4: That we're all in.

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Speaker 3: I'm not done yet. You don't know what people are

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Speaker 3: going through and although I might be able to handle it,

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Speaker 3: the next person mightn't be. Maybe our last coach didn't.

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Speaker 3: I believe the character of a person is judged more

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Speaker 3: on what they say about people and how they treat

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Speaker 3: people than what an individual says to create attention about someone.

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Speaker 1: A very emotional coach of Queensland there, Billy Slater, what's

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 5: It was raw, it was real.

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Speaker 4: I just wonder if Billy may have overstepped the mark

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Speaker 4: bringing Paul Green into it. I wonder, and we don't

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Speaker 4: know this, but I wonder if there was any conversations

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Speaker 4: prior to that with Paul's family. You'd hope so, because

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Speaker 4: I just thought that that was unnecessary what was said

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Speaker 4: against Billy. Billy's more than entitle to react to Aaron

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Speaker 4: Woods's comments. But yeah, that's just what I took out

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Speaker 6: I think it's a reality check for all of us.

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Speaker 6: I think we sit here and sometimes you forget sometimes Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's an emotional game. We've rusted on, We've

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Speaker 6: got passionate fans. Everybody's got to say that. Everybody's got

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Speaker 6: their own platform. I think it's fine for Billy to

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Speaker 6: fire back at at Aaron Woods, and sometimes you don't

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Speaker 6: know and then I've been in that situation where it

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Speaker 6: doesn't sort of hurt you as much as it hurts

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Speaker 6: the people around you.

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Speaker 5: Paul Green situation is incredibly sad, obviously. I think what

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Speaker 5: Woodsy said though, was in Jeff. It's a comment we

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Speaker 5: look back on now which perhaps has gone wrong. But

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, Crauls. I don't know whether Billy needed

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Speaker 5: to bring Paul Green's death into a press conference talking

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Speaker 5: about a comment Grub. I don't think Grub deserved Billy's.

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Speaker 2: Reaction.

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Speaker 5: I'm picking my words very carefully here because it's a.

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Speaker 1: Very sensit sensitive one and you know, watching it, I

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Speaker 1: can see both sides a little bit here.

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Speaker 2: I can understand what Billy's saying.

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Speaker 1: It does impact people, and you know, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: something that a lot of the new generation and even

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Speaker 1: the old generation and all of us are got to

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Speaker 1: be wary of, you know, what we say and how

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Speaker 1: it impacts other people. My day community so was when

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Speaker 1: I was fifteen. So, and I have a program for men,

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Speaker 1: and I'm big on mental health. So I'm big on

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Speaker 1: looking after men and making sure that they talk and

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Speaker 1: they get their emotions out and they look after themselves

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Speaker 1: and each other. That's one of my passion projects in life.

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Speaker 2: But also Aaron Woods very well.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Woodsy called him a grub in

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Speaker 1: terms of a grub of a human being. He was

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Speaker 1: talking about the way he played, So I think that's

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Speaker 1: a big difference. You know, I can understand it impact

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Speaker 1: and Billy, I really can any family, you know, because

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Speaker 1: it's not nice being called a grub, and I don't

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Speaker 1: condone it. But I also got to stick up for

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Speaker 1: Woodsy a bit, like I don't necessarily think he was

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Speaker 2: I really don't know, and who knows.

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Speaker 1: Woodsy may regret what he said, but there are two sides,

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Speaker 1: and I just gotta be careful with this, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think you're right there, Broth too.

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Speaker 4: With Woodsy, there's an obvious respect because Billy spoke about

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Speaker 4: the fact that Woodsy had gone up to him in

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Speaker 4: recent weeks and introduced him to his son, and there's

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Speaker 4: an obvious respect there. But Billy can't deny them. We

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Speaker 4: can't ignore it that as a player, Billy did push

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Speaker 4: the boundaries. He was known at one point we used

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Speaker 4: we called him teflon Bill because he went out there

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Speaker 4: and nothing stick to him. He pushed the edges, he

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Speaker 4: pushed the boundaries, and what Woods he was doing, in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, was commenting about Billy's past as a player,

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Speaker 4: not not as a person. But I can also understand

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Speaker 4: how Billy takes that to heart, and especially because if

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Speaker 4: it's impacted his family.

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Speaker 6: If everybody kept on bringing up people's past, we all

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Speaker 6: probably wouldn't have a job because we've all made so

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Speaker 6: many mistakes in the past.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's unfair because Madge did last year.

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Speaker 6: I do believe that it's a bit unfair bringing up

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Speaker 6: his playing career where probably I don't know how long,

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Speaker 6: probably seven years, maybe five to seven years since Billy's played.

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Speaker 5: It's about his coaching, remember the career. Male ran a

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Speaker 5: backpage story pre game one calling Spencer Lenue grub. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's it wasn't Billy. But I'm saying that learn attach

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Speaker 5: any of us to that. I'm trying to say it

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Speaker 5: is that word grub is used and has been used

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Speaker 5: on both sides of the origin. I think to the

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Speaker 5: point it's a folklore saying in origin now, which whether

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Speaker 5: it be right or wrong, it is used.

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Speaker 1: The reason Woods he used it is because of that

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Speaker 1: back page and he's just responded and fired back, you know,

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Speaker 1: like that was because grub was used.

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Speaker 2: He saw and it was the the word of the day.

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Speaker 1: And he's fired back and he knows whether he should

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Speaker 1: or he shouldn't have he did.

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Speaker 5: But the bottom line is both we all have a responsibility.

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Speaker 5: And I've thrown as many barbs across the border as

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Speaker 5: any journo in Australia, but we all have a responsibility.

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Speaker 5: We can be provocative, we can be contentious, we can

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Speaker 5: be controversial. That's what our employees want.

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Speaker 2: That's what this.

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Speaker 5: Show was about. Being contentious. But there is a line

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Speaker 5: in the sand and whether Woods he's gone over it

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Speaker 5: is up to Aaron Woods to work out, and whether

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Speaker 5: Billy has equally overstepped the line by bringing Paul Green

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Speaker 1: All right, time now for our origin preview thanks to

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Speaker 1: four Day's christ Live to Peter Medell and up the stadium, Pete,

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Speaker 1: Billy Slater was clearly talk was through that.

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Speaker 7: You were there, Yeah, I certainly was, Braith. Look, it

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Speaker 7: was the two hundred and forward outburst that has ignited

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Speaker 7: Origin too. It was quite amazing being there in the auditorium.

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Speaker 7: There was the official press conference of course for Origin

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Speaker 7: two here at Opta Stadium behind me. It turned into

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Speaker 7: the Billy Slater show. It was quite amazing. I was

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Speaker 7: the person that asked the question Braith a bit too

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Speaker 7: Billy about his views on being called a grub by

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Speaker 7: Aaron Woods. To be honest, I expected him to the

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Speaker 7: question as he tends to do sometimes, Billy. He's pretty

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Speaker 7: carefully constructed in his answers. And the response that he got,

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Speaker 7: I don't think any of us expected it. It was

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Speaker 7: pretty dramatic, it was. It was pretty cutting. It was

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Speaker 7: a withering attack on Aaron Woods, and he inferred that

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Speaker 7: he was two faced. He suggested that it was degrading

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Speaker 7: and that perhaps as a commentator, giving his role in

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Speaker 7: a commentator. So it was pretty cutting stuff. And of

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Speaker 7: course there was then the bombshell moment when he inferred

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Speaker 7: he didn't mention Paul Green specifically, but he did refer

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Speaker 7: to Queensland's last coach. Now, of course, only those that

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Speaker 7: were in the camp at the time. Break in Camp

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Speaker 7: Marooney twenty and twenty one will to understand what Paul

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Speaker 7: Green went through personally and how close he was to

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Speaker 7: walking away at times through what was a pretty tense campaign.

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Speaker 7: So if he had his time again, guys, maybe Billy

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Speaker 7: Slater doesn't refer or infer Paul Green's name, but he

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Speaker 7: met no stone unturned there about how he felt about

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Speaker 7: Aaron Woods. And we reached out to Aaron Woods this afternoon.

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Speaker 7: I'm told that he will make a comment tomorrow on

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Speaker 7: Triple M on his radio show.

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Speaker 4: Paul Crawley here, mate, can I ask you, since since

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Speaker 4: the press conference and you asked that question, have you.

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Speaker 5: Done any further digging?

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Speaker 4: Because it seemed like Billy had that he was ready

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Speaker 4: to go on that even when he pulled up mid

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Speaker 4: question and he got the applause from the crowd, he said,

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Speaker 4: I haven't finished yet.

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Speaker 5: Have you found out since then?

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Speaker 4: Was Paul Green's family notified that these comments were coming?

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Speaker 4: Do you know if there was anyone from the QR

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Speaker 4: top of the head.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, good questions, Paul. Look, I haven't delved into

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Speaker 7: that depth. I don't know if Paul Green's family were consulted.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they were. Look my feeling, Paul. I've

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Speaker 7: had a few text from people saying, Pete, look, did

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Speaker 7: you set this up with Billy Slater? I can assure

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Speaker 7: you that wasn't the case. It was just a genuine

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Speaker 7: journalistic question. I thought it was a newsworthy topic, as

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Speaker 7: we all did. I think Billy Slater's response, though, while

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Speaker 7: we were surprised, I don't think Billy Slater was surprised.

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Speaker 7: I think this was premeditated. Billy's a very smart person.

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Speaker 7: I think he had a calculated response planned. I think

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Speaker 7: he anticipated that someone in the media press would ask

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Speaker 7: him that question. He was asked the question, so I

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Speaker 7: think in Billy's head he knew this was coming. He

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Speaker 7: had a pretty deliberate answer. And when you listen back

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Speaker 7: to his response, two hundred and four words, spinning about

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Speaker 7: sixty seconds, and at one point interjecting when he got

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Speaker 7: applause to say, hold on.

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Speaker 5: I've done yet.

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Speaker 7: To me, that says that Billy had something to get

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Speaker 7: off his chest. Now where it goes from he who

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Speaker 7: knows but Aaron Woodsye. I imagine we'll have some pretty

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Speaker 7: pointed comments tomorrow when he gets a repost.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask you on the back of that too, mate,

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Speaker 4: you brought up when Paul was in charge of the

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Speaker 4: Queensland team and if we just we tracked back Paul

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Speaker 4: was let go by the Cowboys. I imagine that was

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Speaker 4: a very difficult time in his life. Then he coached

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Speaker 4: Queensland for that one year. What he went through, but

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Speaker 4: ultimately it was the QR rel that made the call.

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Speaker 4: Or just remind us exactly how that ended.

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Speaker 7: Yes, So, Crauls, the tenure for Paul Green at Camp

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Speaker 7: Maroon was expected to be longer than just the one campaign,

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Speaker 7: so he was keen to do the job for longer

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Speaker 7: than the one season, even though it was a tumultuous time.

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Speaker 7: Of course it was COVID there were restrictions placed on

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Speaker 7: the group. But I know that Paul Green wanted to

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Speaker 7: coach the Morons for another year. He wanted a little

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Speaker 7: bit more certainty around the tenure. He was seeking more

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Speaker 7: multi year arrangement. At the time, there wasn't any certainty

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Speaker 7: around whether he could be given that. There was also

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Speaker 7: some talk about him wanting to coach the Broncos. There

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Speaker 7: It was a sad time Crauls, as we all know

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Speaker 5: Pete, why do you it's bullock? Pete? Why do you

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Speaker 7: So I guess it was just the first journalist to

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Speaker 7: I don't think Billy would even have imagined the fallout

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Speaker 7: thing for queens and it takes the focus off the

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Speaker 1: Current your Pete, great work. They're over in Perth. Go

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Speaker 2: There it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Billy's coming out pretty hard on this, I

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Speaker 6: A player you can go there and then your actions

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Speaker 4: But also you mentioned it earlier, dog like the twenty

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Speaker 5: To us the first coach to do it. No, he wouldn't,

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Speaker 4: And then you go back to the fact, Okay, a game,

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Speaker 6: Because Kevin Wolder spoke about it on a podcast, right,

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Speaker 4: I don't think this is a motivational tactic ahead of

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Speaker 1: Good There's something I need to probably address. Corey Patterson

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Speaker 5: So we have been on this path before, and Billy's

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Speaker 1: There's been worst things said on footbeat. Absolutely, of course

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Speaker 5: A wake up call for all of us, like I

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Speaker 6: Then I'll tell you what, Gordylan, you are grub right.

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Speaker 4: Create a need to be mindful and you learn over years.

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Speaker 5: I've had people say to me and this has happened

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Speaker 5: It's a very frightening dilemma.

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Speaker 1: A sens as this is and we can all appreciate

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Speaker 2: Now before origin gone, is we My.

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Speaker 6: Arthur beats and lit the fuse in nineteen eighty and

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Speaker 6: And the efforts of all the players that have played

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Speaker 5: We don't need to use to throw.

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Speaker 4: You threw You even threw a barb at Aaron Woods

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Speaker 5: Gordon? Like, is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 4: You don't respond to those anymore because when we're sitting

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Speaker 5: Just leave it to the players when they're there.

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Speaker 5: And I think on.

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Speaker 4: This occasion, I truly think Woodsy was only sparking the

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Speaker 5: He wasn't, he was not. I don't think he was

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Speaker 4: That way, and I understand that side of the story too,

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Speaker 5: Happened to him.

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Speaker 2: We know.

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Speaker 4: What we know is it was the Queensland Rugby League

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Speaker 5: I think the rgie Bargie pre origin is just as

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Speaker 5: that would Paul Gordon, they're two, well, why did we

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Speaker 1: Out a story every day. You know, he's because he's

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Speaker 5: He found his voice after you won in game one.

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Speaker 4: After fifteen seasons at the club, he's chose to leave.

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Speaker 4: Why has he chose to leave? Is it because he's

442
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Speaker 4: not believing in what's happening at that club anymore?

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Speaker 5: Clearly there's also a lot of talk and I.

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Speaker 4: Understand it's right that there are other players there that

445
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Speaker 4: don't necessarily agree with Sea Bowl's way of coaching, and

446
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Speaker 4: the message is not getting through. And yet last night

447
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Speaker 4: Ready sitt there talking about the fact that perhaps down

448
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Speaker 4: the track Sea Bowl will have this, you know, he'll

449
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Speaker 4: move into a football cit, a football role.

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Speaker 5: And they'll usher someone in down the track.

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Speaker 4: I think the priority is trying to get this team

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Speaker 4: firing now, and I don't think he'll be the one

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Speaker 4: making the call on what happens in that club in

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Speaker 4: two years time.

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Speaker 5: To be fair, Gord, I'll ask you this, Not every

456
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Speaker 5: coach is there to be liked. Just because a couple

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Speaker 5: of the Manly boys don't like Seabow, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 5: he should be sacked. They're not winning, that's right.

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Speaker 6: But the results speak for itself. It got two big

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Speaker 6: it's a result of him. And as much as we

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Speaker 6: don't like it, I always say no, no Tommy, no trophy.

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Speaker 6: But they've got a fair sight. All those young kids

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Speaker 6: that come up and played Brisbane, they were outstanding. So

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Speaker 6: one week the superstar. So was the inconsistency. That's what

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Speaker 6: you've got to put your finger on a Manly and

466
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Speaker 6: where does that come from? This succession plan? That Crawls

467
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Speaker 6: just mentioned, what's the goal with this? It doesn't make

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Speaker 6: any sense to me. Two and a half were years.

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Speaker 1: He's gotten his contract, but then he said he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to coach beyond that. But then he's going to

471
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Speaker 1: move into a head of a GM like ahead of

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Speaker 1: football And you know that's a long way away that

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Speaker 1: two and a half years. Especially the way they're performing

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Speaker 1: right now, I can't possibly see it lasting if they

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Speaker 1: continue on the same parf hour and now, can you

476
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Speaker 1: give us some clarity and for the fans mainly fans,

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Speaker 1: what's the plan there?

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Speaker 5: Look, Anthony Seabol is highly intelligent, Braith, and he's very

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Speaker 5: big on self development, self improvement. I've spoken to Anthony

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Speaker 5: Seabol before. I don't think I'm talking out of school here,

481
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Speaker 5: but he doesn't see himself as being a career coach

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Speaker 5: for the rest of his life. He's got other things

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Speaker 5: he wants to do in his life. He went to

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Speaker 5: England with Anie Jones for the rugby unit. He loved

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Speaker 5: it got him out of his.

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Speaker 1: League and obsessive rugby league. And if you're a head coach,

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Speaker 1: necessarily tell me one of the coaches.

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Speaker 5: I got that wrong, Broth I'll rephrase it. While you're coaching, yes,

489
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Speaker 5: but doesn't mean you have to be a coach for

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Speaker 5: the rest of your life. But if you you might

491
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Speaker 5: have other things that you want to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: If you're already thinking that you don't want to coach

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Speaker 1: in two and a half his time.

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Speaker 5: You're not coaching for your future. You're not playing for

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Speaker 5: your future.

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Speaker 6: And if you've got someone like Craig Balamy and all

497
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Speaker 6: those guys that we talk about that eat and breathe

498
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Speaker 6: it and every day they're there to get better and

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Speaker 6: that's their job and that's their life, you can't beat them.

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Speaker 4: And I think I think that what you mentioned too,

501
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Speaker 4: that that Seabold is a very intelligent person, and I

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Speaker 4: think that is sometimes to the criticism of as a

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Speaker 4: coach bulldog because he's coaching rugby league players. He's not

504
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Speaker 4: coaching or teaching university students. Some of them may be

505
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Speaker 4: university students. But the really great is in our game.

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Speaker 4: The secret to their success is keeping it simple, making

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Speaker 4: it an enjoyable workplace, motivating, motivating the players and having

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Speaker 4: them ready to go. And at the moment, whatever Sea

509
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Speaker 4: Boll's doing there is not working. And Tom Tom's injuries

510
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Speaker 4: at the moment. Tom's injuries at the moment. You know

511
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Speaker 4: that that goes back Dars had to deal with Tom's

512
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Speaker 4: injuries too. You know that that's been an ongoing concern

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Speaker 4: for Tom. But I also think that the decision this

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Speaker 4: week and the revelation that Tom will be moved into

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Speaker 4: the centers and out to fullback, that I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: that's gone down too well with other parties.

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Speaker 1: Fail that now, for now, I'll give my opinion on

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Speaker 1: this first, and then I'll send it to you guys.

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Speaker 1: I actually like the move. I think Tom in the

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Speaker 1: sense it will I mean, I love if you break it.

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Speaker 1: Tom is the best bloke in the world right and

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Speaker 1: we all love him. But Lehi Halparadi has been killing

523
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Speaker 1: it at the back. Is youthful, he doesn't get injured.

524
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Speaker 1: Is a rising star, if not a star already, and

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Speaker 1: Tom's best foot, he would most likely be behind him

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Speaker 1: now right like this, Let's be honest. Tom can move

527
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Speaker 1: into the centers. We've sent him play there for origin.

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Speaker 1: We know how good he can be. He's a big body,

529
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Speaker 1: doesn't need to move as much cover as many kilometers.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing. I don't see that

531
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Speaker 2: as a bad thing.

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Speaker 5: I'll throw this at your broth. It would half his work,

533
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Speaker 5: There's no doubt about it. But he is the best

534
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Speaker 5: voice in Ragia League back there in terms of on field,

535
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Speaker 5: he's a coach and being at fullback also allows him

536
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Speaker 5: to attack on both sides of the feature.

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Speaker 2: It probably is we're not having the impact he used

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Speaker 2: to have, though.

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Speaker 5: I spoke to Sebold about this two weeks ago and

540
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Speaker 5: he told me at that moment that no, he had

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Speaker 5: no plans because Tom's voice at the back is too

542
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Speaker 5: important and Lehi is not quite there as yet. We

543
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Speaker 5: talk about a young man's game, good, you're right compartable

544
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Speaker 5: if it is only twenty eight. We talk about Tom

545
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Speaker 5: as if he's thirty four. He's twenty eight years old.

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Speaker 6: Listen, I love Tom. He's not pulling the trigger anymore.

547
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Speaker 6: Went like like when he runs, it's luck. He's running

548
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Speaker 6: on MiGs shells and that's that's no criticism. I just

549
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 6: feel sorry. I think he's carrying injury. I thought they

550
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Speaker 6: were hiding it. They said he had a cork when

551
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Speaker 6: maybe he did have another hamstring problem.

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Speaker 4: Again, it goes back to how the message was relayed.

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Speaker 4: You know like it's the Cherry Evans situation. Whatever happened there,

554
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Speaker 4: it wasn't handled well. And if this, if Tom's on

555
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Speaker 4: board on this and it works, good luck. But if

556
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Speaker 4: it's created more division within the team, it could have

557
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Speaker 4: been done differently.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: If something's got to give at Manly, and we agree

560
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Speaker 5: that something has to give because their performances aren't up

561
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Speaker 5: to standard, should daily Cherry Evans stand down as captain

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Speaker 5: give it to somebody else who might have more of

563
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Speaker 5: a follow me. I'm going to go into battle right now?

564
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Speaker 5: You mean right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying it.

566
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Speaker 5: Out there, breath.

567
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Speaker 2: They need more disruption.

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Speaker 5: Things aren't working at the moment. He's going it forms, Paul.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, who's the person though, because you've got

570
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Speaker 4: Tom that's being moved from fallback to senata. Jake has

571
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Speaker 4: had his own issues this year with injuries, and is

572
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Speaker 4: he going to be the leader that take them forward?

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Speaker 5: Like, that's a difficult situation. If it's not Cherry Evans,

574
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Speaker 5: who is it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to get too break stick around journals

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Speaker 1: Up next, we head into Blues camp with assistant coach

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Speaker 1: Matt King and following us. It's face to face with bulldogs,

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Speaker 1: Hardman Jason Heatherington,