1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: From the newsroom and news. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 2: To come to. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 3: Gooday There, I'm Andrew Bucklow. Well, Anthony Aberzi is arguably 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 3: the busiest man in the country right now. He is 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 3: campaigning like crazy before Australian's head to the polls on 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 3: Saturday for the federal election. Now, despite his hectic schedule, 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 3: the PM very kindly made some time to chat to 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 3: Muse dot com dot I use political editor Samantha Maiden, 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: just as Peter Dutton did in yesterday's episode. Have a 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: listen to that if you haven't already. In the interview 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: which you're about to hear, Sam asks mister Alberinezi about 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: the effect Donald Trump has had on this election. He 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: makes some very interesting comments about that. He opens up 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: about the car crash that almost ended his life and 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: he explains in detail why he wants to remain PM 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: for another term. Is Sam Maiden with Anthony Aberzi. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, you are on the home straight now. It 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: has been five long weeks. Now, look, the elephant in 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: the room of this whole campaign has been Donald Trump, 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: who hasn't been here. I was talking to a liberal 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: today who said, you know, it smashed us. It's bigger 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: than medicare. Why do you think Australians are so worried 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: about Donald Trump. 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: I think they're worried that some of the policies that 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 4: Peter Dutton has put forward seemed to be borrowed directly. 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: Sacking public servants is what we saw with DOGE. 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: You had the. 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: Assistant Treasurer or shadow Assistant Treasurer, Luke Howarth say in 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: writing to people on Facebook that yes, we were going 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: to do exactly what DOGE is happening. After to center 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 4: Price was appointed as the shadow minister for DOGE. And 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: you have a range of other policies that any working 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: from home policy, the rhetoric about the inclusion and people's 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: being employed on the basis of their gender or those 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: issues as well, the attempt to look at culture wars 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 4: that mister Dutton has engaged with. I think Australians look 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: at the United States and they see a society that 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: is really conflicted, that is really polarized, that's not healthy, 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: and they don't want that here. We have a different 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 4: political system here, we have a different culture here, and 41 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: they don't want to see a user pay system for health. Also, 42 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: they want to see us go the Australian way to 43 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: deal with Australian issues. 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, do you think you're going to have 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: to thank Donald Trump if you win this election? How 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: important has it been? No. 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: Look, I think what Australians have also seen is that 48 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: President Trump has changed positions on tariffs. 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: For example, pretty regularly. 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: He made a range of announcements and then has walked 51 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 4: them back and then walked them forward and then walked 52 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 4: them back again. I think they see a parallel with 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: mister Darton and his policies on a daily basis, working 54 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: from home policies, EV policies, road user chargers on Sunday 55 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: Bridget McKenzie there on insiders saying that's what they were 56 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 4: going to do, and on Monday at being ruled out. 57 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: I think people have a look at this uncertainty and 58 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: they know also that in uncertain times, what they're looking 59 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 4: for is not volatility. What they're looking for is stability 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: and certainty. And that's what my government, as the most 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 4: stable first term government that we've seen in the post 62 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: war era, has provided over the last three years that 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: have been turbulent time to the biggest inflation crisis Cincinnati 64 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 4: in eighties, the biggest energy crisis since the nineteen seventies, 65 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: and that is part of my pitch, is that we've 66 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: changed prime ministers at every election since two thousand and four, 67 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: when John Howe was re elected. I think that appeal 68 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: to stability is a strength of the government and the 69 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: team's approach as well. Like I'm a captain of the team. 70 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: Peter Dutton's team have largely not been on the field. 71 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying it's about continuity, but the criticism 72 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: has been that the ideas haven't been big enough, that 73 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: it's too much around the edges. That you're offering a 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: tax cut, but it's five dollars next year and then 75 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: ten dollars thereafter. Peter Dutton has proposed this kind of 76 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: in a perfect world, I would like to index income 77 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: thresholds in a perfect world. Is it something you would 78 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: like to do to the tax system? 79 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: And what is it what we're doing, which is decreasing 80 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 4: income tax, having that top up two top ups indeed, 81 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: so that the average Australian will benefit by two and 82 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: a half thousand dollars. That will make a difference. Together 83 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 4: with increasing wages and the cost of living measures that 84 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 4: we're putting in place. I want to see living standards rise. 85 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: I want to see cost of living pressures taken off 86 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: and by reducing that rate from sixteen to fifteen and 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: then down to fourteen, that will increase workforce participation. It 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: will particularly benefit young Australians, people who are working part time, 89 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: women or men for that matter, who are going back 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: to work after having a family. It will have a 91 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: positive workforce participation message and result as well. 92 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: I want to take you back to when you called 93 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the election and there was a moment where you became 94 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: a little emotional talking about medicare talk about your mom 95 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: and the car accident. Now most people know the story. 96 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: It was no thought of your own. You're t boned 97 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: by a pea player, and you talked about how you 98 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: ended up in the same hospital that your mum was 99 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: taken to. How does that car accident still affect you today, 100 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: like in terms of psychologically, are there still ongoing physical impacts? 101 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: What impact has it had on you? 102 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: It has had an ongoing impact. I was going up 103 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: literally up Hill Street, the hill on Hill Street, funnily enough, 104 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: in Marrickville, when a car actually came straight across. Clearly 105 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: wasn't paying attention heading straight for me. And I literally 106 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: thought what seemed like for a long period of time. 107 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 4: It was probably a matter of just two or three seconds, 108 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: but time slows down when a car is heading straight 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: for you and straight for the driver's side as well. 110 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: It's only a one lane each with one lane parking road. 111 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: I thought this was it, And so when you go 112 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: through a period which wasn't scary, it was just almost 113 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: matter of fact, this is how my life ends. 114 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: And I will never forget. 115 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: The bank, the sound that was just so loud as 116 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: it hit the front right hand side of my vehicle, 117 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: which was a ride off, and then the delay, and 118 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: then thinking okay, I'm still here and being concerned that 119 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 4: you know, I have something missing somewhere. 120 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: It was a bad accident. 121 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: So an experience like that does have an impact. It 122 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: reaffirmed to me that how important life is each and 123 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: every day and valuing it and making a difference to 124 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: it as well. It took me some time to recover physically, 125 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: and I still have damage to my spine, so I 126 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 4: have difficulty sitting in a car for long distances, so 127 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: there is some physical ongoing issue. But I was very fortunate, 128 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: but it just struck me that I ended up in 129 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: the same room. The only times I've been in it 130 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: was my mum when she went in in two thousand 131 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 4: and two after an aneurysm, and she never came out 132 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: of Prince Alfred Hospital. She struggled on and fought for 133 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks before she passed away. 134 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: She was only sixty five years. 135 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, not much older than you are today. 136 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: I'm much older than I am now, and it just 137 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: really hit home to me that there was Obviously I 138 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: was left leader of the Labor Party, the alternative Prime 139 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: Minister at the time, and I got the same care 140 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: that I as a younger man, saw my mother get 141 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 4: more than twenty years earlier, and I do think that 142 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: is part of the Australian story. It was the two 143 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: issues that really politicized me as a young man were housing. 144 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 4: When the city Council changed hands, it was council housing 145 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: at that stage. My mum lived in the one house 146 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: for all of her sixty five years and they were 147 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: going to flog it off. So we ran any privatization 148 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 4: campaign and then we knocked over the council and health 149 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 4: because my mom is an invalid pensioner who was crippled 150 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: up with rheumatoid arthritis and then had other issues. She 151 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 4: struggled to get the right care. She was a woman 152 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: by herself. She was a very generous person, so would 153 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: agree to go on trials of drugs, all of that. 154 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: But she had a really tough life. 155 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: And so it struck me. I got that question, I 156 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: remember it, and I walked out of that first press 157 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 4: conference not expecting to really talk about that, but in 158 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 4: such a personal way. But the fact that Kerry Paco 159 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: had always struck me that when he had a heart attack, 160 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: he ended up as well in getting the same public care. 161 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: You're the same hotel. 162 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're an emotional person. You like to have a cry, 163 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: and nothing that I have to have a cry. It's great, 164 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: But you know, with this whole issue with Medicare, you know, 165 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: obviously it's personal for you, and I can see that. 166 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: But is there a danger that you over promise and 167 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: under deliver if you say to people all you need 168 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: is your Medicare can't and then after the election, that's 169 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: not what happens. 170 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: No, because we have really thought through these policy solutions. 171 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: Our urgent care clinics have been an incredible success. And 172 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 4: remember they were dismissed by the Coalition before the last 173 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 4: election campaign. One point three million Australians have got care 174 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: with just their Medicare card. In the eighty seven that 175 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 4: we've opened, we only promise fifty. 176 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Are going to get a free GP visit really without 177 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: their credit card. 178 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: Well, when there's another fifty urgent care clinics that will 179 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: make a difference. Eight out of ten Australians will be 180 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: within twenty minutes of an urgent care clinic. But also 181 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 4: the bulk billing incentives. We extended that in the budget 182 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: before last the tripling of the bulk billing incentive, and 183 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 4: what that's resulted in is more than ninety percent of 184 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: concession card holders being bulk willed. Now, I have met 185 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 4: with doctors with surgeries and clinics right around the country 186 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: who say they will bulk bill. 187 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: And that's what we're based. 188 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: Upon a world so that we're lifting not just cratical term, 189 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: not just concession cardholders, so intrubuting. Can you guarantee that 190 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: ninety percent of people will get bulk build, whether the 191 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: concession cardholders or not, Well. 192 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 4: That is certainly our objective by twenty thirty, but it's 193 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 4: based upon a real analysis as well, which is it 194 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 4: will lift the pay. For example of a doctor GP 195 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: working in a fully bulk built clinic will earn over 196 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: four hundred thousand dollars whereas at the moment they are 197 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: on about two hundred and eighty thousand dollars. So the 198 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: analysis that's been done we went through Treasury and Finance. 199 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: The funding of this was of course considered in the 200 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: lead up to my ETHO last year. We made some 201 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: provision for funding and then was included in the budget. 202 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: So this isn't an election commitment. 203 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 4: This is something that we had the full Treasury and 204 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 4: Finance analysis of and what they showed was essentially that 205 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: it will make economic sense for clinics to be fully 206 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 4: bulk build and that incentive is a practical way of 207 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: ensuring that we can meet that objective. 208 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: More with Sam Maiden than the Prime Minister in just 209 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 3: a moment, all. 210 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: Right, let's rip through some quick issues on housing. You're 211 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: a baby boomer, Peter Dutton's gen X, but younger voters 212 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: are more likely to vote for you than him. I 213 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: asked him today why that was. He said, one of 214 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: the reasons is that they're more likely to be renters, 215 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: and he doesn't think that people are less likely to 216 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: vote for the Liberal Party until they own their own home. 217 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that's what the problem is. 218 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: I think this is about ideology. 219 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 4: This is about making sure that people are looked after, 220 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: whether they're renters or homeowners renters. Of course, we've increased 221 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: maximum rental assistance by forty five percent, two increases in 222 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: a row that hasn't happened previously. But we have a 223 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: comprehensive plan as well. We know the key to housing 224 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: is supplied. That's why our thirty our forty three billion 225 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: dollar Home th Australia Plan looks at increased social housing 226 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 4: through the Housing Australia Future Fund, increased private rentals through 227 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: our Bill to Rent incentives, but also increase home ownership 228 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: through a range of programs, whether it's our First Homeowners 229 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: Scheme so that people can get a home loan with 230 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: just a five percent deposit, or whether it's our Shared 231 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 4: Equity Scheme, our Help to Buy scheme as well. 232 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: But despite all of that, a lot of people still 233 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: have to rely on the bank of mum and dad. 234 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: There's some new research out today saying one in three 235 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: parents feel a lot of pressure to give money. Most 236 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: of them don't pay it back. But with your own son, Nathan, 237 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's fair enough that you 238 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: will you plan to give him a bit of a 239 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: hand to get into the housing market or not. 240 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: Oh, look, we live in a I'm privileged and I'm 241 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 4: in a position, of course to help out my son. 242 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: That's just a reality. My mum who lived in that 243 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: one house was counsel housing and then public housing. She 244 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: is to speak about dead rent. I had it drummed 245 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: into me when I was younger, about paying money but 246 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: not getting anything back. 247 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: So with Nathan waterhouse already or are you going to 248 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: help him? But you might help him out down the trail? 249 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: Who knows? 250 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: He is a very independent young man and he is 251 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: living his own life, and I'm very proud of him. 252 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: He's a great young man. 253 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 4: He's really developed exceptionally and at the moment I must 254 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: say money that he has able to earn, he works, 255 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 4: of course full time. He's been spending going to music 256 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: festivals overseas. 257 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. 258 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: He went to the festival at Mount Fuji in Japan 259 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: last year and the year before him and a whole 260 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: group of his mates went to Spain and then he 261 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 4: visited his cousins in Italy, So good luck to him. 262 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: Now, what about the other beautiful member of your family is, 263 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: of course your partner and your fiance and wife to be, Jodie. 264 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: What advice has she been giving you on the campaign trial? 265 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: What overseeing role has she been paying? 266 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: Oh, she's just great. 267 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 4: It's great to be able to come home when we've 268 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: been in the same place. She's traveling with me at 269 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 4: the moment. She's here in Brisbane and she's someone who's 270 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: very passionate. She's a political person, as is her whole family. 271 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: They're all a family of public school teachers going back generations, 272 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: so they're particularly pleased about our policy supporting public education 273 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: and better and fairer funding for every school. But she's 274 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: just very personally supporting, and that's an important thing. This 275 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: is a tough job. There are long days. I arrived 276 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: in Brisbane last night around about eleven o'clock. It was 277 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 4: pretty late after starting at five am. We're up again 278 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 4: very early this morning. I've been to three radio stations. 279 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: Well, I will not take any I'll speed it up then. 280 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: I trying to take too much of your time. Now. 281 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I have to ask, though about every time that you're 282 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: asked about this you don't look thrilled. But Copakabana obviously 283 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: kicked off this debate about whether it was a retirement home. 284 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: That's what Peter Dutton has been saying. If it's not 285 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: a retirement home, you know, why did you buy it now? 286 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: And what did you think of the backlash? 287 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: Oh? 288 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 4: Look, I got engaged last year. Jodie has rented her 289 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: whole life, so we have bought somewhere together, like a 290 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 4: whole lot of couples who are getting married and planning 291 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 4: their life together. I'm Prime Minister now we'll see whether 292 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 4: I still have that title on Sunday. But we live 293 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 4: in the lodge. I sold another property in order to 294 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: be able to get into the housing market. Her family 295 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: all based on the central cases. Something we did together. 296 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 4: It's about us. It was a personal decision, not a 297 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 4: political one. We didn't put it through a focus group. 298 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 4: Guess what, people who are getting married often will, if 299 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: they're in a position to do so, plan for their 300 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 4: long term future. 301 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: That's all that's happening here. 302 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just I mean if you do, at some 303 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: point in the future go off into the beautiful sunset. 304 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: Do you think that Jim Charms is a future leader 305 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: is he the next cab off the rank or is 306 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: there a cast of thousands. 307 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 4: I think that's a matter for the Labor Party at. 308 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: The time to determine. 309 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 4: But what I'm determined to do is make sure that 310 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 4: we are a long term labor government that I intend 311 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 4: to lead. I'm putting myself forward for re election as 312 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 4: Prime minister. No prime minister has been re elected since 313 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 4: two thousand and four. It's been more than twenty years 314 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: of a revolving door and I don't think that's in 315 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: the interests of the nation, and that's why I'm putting 316 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 4: myself forward. Committing to for the entire term is important 317 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 4: and I want to get things done. I want to 318 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: entrench the changes that we're making to medicare. I want 319 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 4: to make sure the NBN stays in public hands. I 320 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 4: want to make sure we deliver on cheaper childcare, that 321 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: the energy transition, with new industries, new jobs and new opportunities, 322 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 4: is able to continue. We are turning the corner the economy. 323 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: It's been difficult times, but I'm really optimistic about what 324 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: we can achieve in setting Australia up over the next 325 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 4: few years, and that is my determination. That's why I'm 326 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: standing at this election. As to the future, that will 327 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: be a matter for the Labor Party whenever that arises. 328 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: You've been very generous with your time. I hope maybe 329 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: on Saturday night you get a non alcoholic ber. 330 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: I think on Saturday night that will change and I'll 331 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 4: be aland to have a maybe even an elbow ale 332 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: on Saturday night. 333 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: All right, well, thanks for your time again, thank you, 334 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: thanks so much. 335 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: Sam. 336 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: The Prime Minister Anthony Aberinezi chatting to Sam Maiden There. 337 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: Sam will of course be leading our election coverage on 338 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: Saturday night on news dot com dot au, so that 339 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 3: is where you need to head if you want the 340 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: latest results and analysis. 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