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Speaker 1: Would you be comfortable doing a hook turn? Frank Pangelo

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Speaker 1: upper House Independent wants to bring them into Adelaide around

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Speaker 1: the tram tracks. Frank, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, good morning, Matthew. And look, they could look terrifying,

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Speaker 2: those hook turns. I remember the very first time I

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Speaker 2: had to do a hook turn when I was working

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Speaker 2: and living in Melbourne was at the corner of Flinders

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Speaker 2: and Swanson Street. And you couldn't ask for a more

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Speaker 2: terrifying challenge than that. But once, once you do it,

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Speaker 2: they're easy. And you know, when you look at hook

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Speaker 2: turns and the way they operate in Melbourne, there's about

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Speaker 2: forty nine of them over there now. It creates a

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Speaker 2: smoother flow of traffic for a start, and they're also

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Speaker 2: safer because you know, you're moving from the left lane

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Speaker 2: across and you're not stuck at the ear at the

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Speaker 2: intersection waiting for oncoming traffic to come, possibility of collisions.

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Speaker 2: So look, it's a very efficient way to move. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying we have them everywhere, but there are some spots,

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Speaker 2: particularly in the city that need them because you know,

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Speaker 2: it makes it very difficult to go either east or

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Speaker 2: west of the city, particularly for instance that you're traveling

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Speaker 2: to the airport and you're traveling along King William Street

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Speaker 2: and you have to take a longer route just to

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Speaker 2: get your journey, you know, within an acceptable time. And

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Speaker 2: I think the other thing is that productivity and also

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Speaker 2: reduces costs because you don't have to use as much petrol.

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Speaker 2: And if you miss one Matthew and I've missed a

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Speaker 2: couple in the city, it's a long way around to

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Speaker 2: get back to your original destination. So I think we

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Speaker 2: should try a trial at least one or two intersections.

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Speaker 2: I think the other one I had to look at

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Speaker 2: was Botannic and Hackney Road because you can't turn right

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Speaker 2: onto Thequdible Terrace there, and you know, the only way

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Speaker 2: you can go right if you are heading in that direction,

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Speaker 2: you have to go over Hackney Road and either do

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Speaker 2: a U turn somewhere or turn right through to Kentown.

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Speaker 2: So look, I think it's worth having a trial of

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Speaker 2: one or two in some of those areas that tend

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Speaker 2: to get too clogged up and also make it easier

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Speaker 2: to get to your journeys and save some time.

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Speaker 1: All right, do you reckon Adelaide? Drivers are up to it,

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Speaker 1: We're not greater well giving away and all sorts of

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Speaker 1: things are are we ready for a hook turn?

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Speaker 2: Of course we are. I mean Alai drivers, aren't you stupid?

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Speaker 2: And let me say, thousands of South Australians drive to Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: you know, on a regular basis, and you have to

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Speaker 2: tackle them over there, and you know you have to

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Speaker 2: tackle them. But look, when you only have one or

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Speaker 2: two or three, I don't think it's a great burden

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Speaker 2: on them and also challenging for their skills. So look,

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Speaker 2: I think they can take you know, take them on.

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Speaker 2: But look it remains to be seen. And I'll raise

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Speaker 2: it with Tom kutsontonus and see if he's interested in

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Speaker 2: and at least doing a trial. I've had a lot

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Speaker 2: of people plain to me about it, saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: I have a look at Adelaide now you can't make

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Speaker 2: right hand turns here. And look they introduced it in

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Speaker 2: as you said, it was actually the Liberal government that

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Speaker 2: cut them out. And ironically for the trans trams that

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Speaker 2: can't make a right hand turn at the intersection of

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Speaker 2: King Wyndham in the North.

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Speaker 1: Forest, that is ironic, isn't it yet?

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Speaker 2: It isn't. Look it works well in Melbourne. It works

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Speaker 2: well in some cities around the world, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that drivers can you can accommodate. Look, I think the

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Speaker 2: other thing I don't know if you've noticed it, well,

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Speaker 2: you probably don't because you get to work a lot

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Speaker 2: earlier than I do, is the incredible build up of

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Speaker 2: traffic now heading into the city. There are more cows

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Speaker 2: on our own and it's just sort of clogging you know,

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Speaker 2: the main arterials into town in peak hours in the

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Speaker 2: morning and in the evenings, and we have to do

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Speaker 2: something to ease the congestion there. You know. What I

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Speaker 2: think also that the the minister should do is free

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Speaker 2: public transport in particular periods now. And I think you

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Speaker 2: you I think I had a one with you there

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Speaker 2: because I think you're for it as well, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Well it makes sense given that the state government subsidizes

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Speaker 1: all public transport fears to the tune of what nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah A Look, I think they should do it, and

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Speaker 2: it'll encourage more people to get out of their cars

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Speaker 2: and get onto public transport.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now you talk about the state government making the

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Speaker 1: call on hook turns in the city, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be the council, isn't it that decides that because they

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Speaker 1: control how the roads are set up within the city

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Speaker 1: as opson to other councils.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not necessarily. The government can make that call,

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Speaker 2: just like they did when they did it for the

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Speaker 2: train that was that was a transport minister at the time.

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Speaker 2: Stephan Cannol, all right, well you'll have to consult, you

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Speaker 2: consult with the council. But no, no, the government can

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Speaker 2: make that call, all right.

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Speaker 1: All right, as simple as that got on your frame.

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Speaker 2: Just what they with a crown and anchor ack you.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens, all right. Had an interesting suggestion.

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Speaker 1: I'll love to know what people think. Thanks for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Frank Pangelo, Upper House Independent MP