WEBVTT - Can Tony Abbott save the Liberal party?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven A Yen.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Abbott is back at the center of Liberal Party politics.

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<v Speaker 1>The former Prime Minister has been elected unopposed as Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party President, a role at sounds administrative that carries

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<v Speaker 1>real political weight and a moment of deep trouble for

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition. The Liberals are watching voters drift to One Nation,

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<v Speaker 1>while Abbott argues the answer is to take the fight

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<v Speaker 1>directly to labor. But his return sharpens a deeper question

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<v Speaker 1>inside the party about whether the Liberals can rebuild by

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<v Speaker 1>reviving the politics of the Abbot era, or whether that

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<v Speaker 1>only deepens the crisis they're trying to escape. Today Press

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<v Speaker 1>Gallery veteran Paul bon Jorno when Tony Abbott's come back,

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<v Speaker 1>the future of the Liberal Party and how the government

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to turn the opposition's crisis into a test

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<v Speaker 1>of its own authority. It's Saturday, June sixth, Paul. This

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<v Speaker 1>week One Nation became the most popular political party in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. It's obviously bad news for the coalition, which

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been very effective at fending off Hansen's party. But

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<v Speaker 1>now former PM Tony Abbot has put his hand up

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<v Speaker 1>to be the white Knight that saves the Liberals. As

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<v Speaker 1>party president paul Is Abbot.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer, well, I can tell you that the conservatives

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<v Speaker 2>in the Liberal Party certainly believe he is and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>have reached out to him. But mind you, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>he reached out to them as well. And what we

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<v Speaker 2>should keep in mind is that the so called right

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<v Speaker 2>wing Liberals or conservative Liberals are dominant in the national

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<v Speaker 2>party structure. So he always had the numbers. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was quite interesting to see that the other potential savior,

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander Downer, who all his life has been a very

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<v Speaker 2>conservative liberal. Well, the moderates were behind Downer, but in

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<v Speaker 2>the end Downer pulled out and everybody said, look, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to give Abbitt a go. We know you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like a dog with a bone. He's a brutally effective

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<v Speaker 2>communicator and let's face it, our backs to the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically what they were counting on was the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Tony Abbott one in a landslide from opposition in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen against the Rudd Gillard Rudd government. But that

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<v Speaker 2>great victory, which was a landslide victory, said well, look

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<v Speaker 2>he knows how to win government. Maybe forgot he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite know how to hang on to government, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>not quite their problem at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>As indicated that his focus will be on labor rather

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<v Speaker 1>than one Nation.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, we are in a degree of competition with other

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<v Speaker 3>parties and voices on the center right. But in the end,

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<v Speaker 3>our opponent, our enemy, if you like, is a really

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<v Speaker 3>bad labor government, a really bad green left labor government.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the right strategy at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>Paul, Well, there have been nine poles since the budget,

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<v Speaker 2>and in those nine poles, the Coalition has gone backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>In three poles.

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<v Speaker 2>This week the coalition's primary vote was just twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we've seen is for the first time this

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<v Speaker 2>week one nation in two poles even had more support

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<v Speaker 2>than labor. So the strategy that's been employed since the

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<v Speaker 2>budget by Angus Taylor and the Coalition to go hard,

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<v Speaker 2>to attack labor, to talk about broken promises, to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how damaging it will be to Australia as we

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<v Speaker 2>know it, all that sort of language. If anything, it's

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<v Speaker 2>fed into one nation rather than fed into the coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this simply isn't working. And Paul Kelly, the

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<v Speaker 2>Venerable Paul Kelly in the Australia and said that basically

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<v Speaker 2>this is there's defeatism in the Liberals and the Nationals,

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<v Speaker 2>with some of them saying, oh, we should form an

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<v Speaker 2>alliance with one nation forgetting that one nation is part

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<v Speaker 2>of the existential threat to the Liberals and the Nationals

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<v Speaker 2>for a very good reason. If the primary vote stays

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<v Speaker 2>where it is and where it's been for a while now,

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<v Speaker 2>then the Liberal or National candidate will come in behind

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<v Speaker 2>one nation and therefore their preferences will elect a one

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<v Speaker 2>nation candidate at the expense of a Liberal. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>cutting their own throats.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a bit of an.

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<v Speaker 2>Example of this. Even though the Nationals did extremely well

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<v Speaker 2>in Farah, they still didn't get a majority in their

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<v Speaker 2>own right. They needed preferences to get over the line.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is an argument and people within the Parliamentary

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<v Speaker 2>Party are having this argument that had the Libs and

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<v Speaker 2>the Nats preference, for example, the leading in de maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that would have pushed her over the line, but it

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<v Speaker 2>certainly would have sent the message that look, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>inclined to our way of politics, then don't vote one

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<v Speaker 2>nation instead by preferencing one Nation, and the way they

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<v Speaker 2>did they helped it get up, and they I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like to use the word legitimize. It's a democracy and

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<v Speaker 2>they're a legitimate player, but it certainly, as it were,

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<v Speaker 2>authorized one nation as a mainstream option. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>a tactic that Abbot seems happy with that when you

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<v Speaker 2>analyze it a bit further, does seem to be a

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<v Speaker 2>recipe for even greater disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>I've often wondered, Paul about party presidents of orbersphases. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how much power does Abbot have as Liberal Party president

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<v Speaker 1>and what does the party president actually do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? They make sure the party is organized, that its

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<v Speaker 2>branches are there, that it's fundraising, that it's able to

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<v Speaker 2>back up the parliamentary Party. In fact, Robert Mensies when

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<v Speaker 2>he founded the Liberals, he wanted to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the organizational wing, unlike the structure formerly of the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>was subservient to the parliamentary Party, couldn't direct it on anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and was there merely to serve what the parliamentary leader

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<v Speaker 2>and the parliamentary party wanted. However, what we do know

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<v Speaker 2>that a party president, let's just talk Liberals for the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>has the cachet of being leader of the organization when

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<v Speaker 2>the organization is in such dire straits and they turned

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<v Speaker 2>to someone like Abbot, a former prime minister, a political

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<v Speaker 2>pugilist of some note, it's clear they're saying, look, we

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<v Speaker 2>want you to be the president and probably lift us

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<v Speaker 2>do more than just make sure we're fundraising.

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<v Speaker 1>Look.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't expect to be in the media every day,

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<v Speaker 3>but on the other hand, I do think that my

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<v Speaker 3>presence now in this senior role will demonstrate people who

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<v Speaker 3>might have been skeptical that the Liberal Party is faired income,

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<v Speaker 3>about abolishing that zero of faired income, about cutting back

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<v Speaker 3>mass migration.

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<v Speaker 2>And the danger here is that in making someone like

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<v Speaker 2>Abbot the president, they're creating another focus other than the

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<v Speaker 2>parliamentary leader.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be some public facing to this role rather

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<v Speaker 1>than it just being an administrative role.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, the party president is the organizational leader, not the

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<v Speaker 3>political leader. But I don't think there's ever been a

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<v Speaker 3>party president who's taken a vow of silence, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>certainly not going to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Tanny Abbott will be satisfied with just

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<v Speaker 1>being party president or can we see him trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make a full political comeback and return to Parliament. There's

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<v Speaker 1>been a musing's port.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's in his blood, there's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been asked this question and he's given the

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<v Speaker 2>impression that if he ever does make a comeback, which

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<v Speaker 2>not on his mind now, it'd be after after the

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<v Speaker 2>next election. I guess one of his problems would be

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<v Speaker 2>finding a seat where the voters would actually vote for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Given that he lost his seat to he was the

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<v Speaker 2>first to lose a rock solid Liberal seat to a

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<v Speaker 2>teal independent. He knows how to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up now, One Nation's rise is changing the calculation

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<v Speaker 1>for Labor as well, Paul. If we go back to

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<v Speaker 1>One Nation, the party has risen in every single opinion

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<v Speaker 1>poll since the budget. Now the election is still a

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<v Speaker 1>long way away two years. So where does this leave Labor.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the worst case scenario for them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you take some of the work done by

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<v Speaker 2>the Redbridge polling a group, first of all their MRP

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<v Speaker 2>Pole which went to every electorate in Australia trying to

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<v Speaker 2>work out which way they would go, and then just

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<v Speaker 2>the normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Pole if you like.

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<v Speaker 2>This week that found One Nation the most popular political party.

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<v Speaker 2>The challenge is there for Labor to hang on to

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<v Speaker 2>government either as minority or majority or worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the trend of the polls, it seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be established they could be pushed themselves into opposition, So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's very high stakes. In fact, Wayne Swung,

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<v Speaker 2>the national president of the Labor Party, sent out a

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<v Speaker 2>fundraiser this week pointing out that the interview that Pauline

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<v Speaker 2>Hansen gave last weekend on Sky, where she for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time went into quite a bit of what she

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<v Speaker 2>thinks and where she wants to head. Her agenda on

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<v Speaker 2>workplace relations, on hiring and firing people, on who should

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<v Speaker 2>be paid. What was basically revisiting of John Howard's work

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<v Speaker 2>choices on steroids, where the employer has all the cards

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<v Speaker 2>and the employee cops the hind most you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't even sack an one if they're not working, if

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<v Speaker 4>they steal from you, then you see yourself through the courts.

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<v Speaker 1>This has to change. It has to change.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a give and take in employment and people have

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<v Speaker 4>a right to employ who they want to. We've become

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<v Speaker 4>too dogmatic and we're not listening to the employer out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Wayne Swan and the Labor Party jumped on this.

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<v Speaker 2>They sent out a fundraising letter to their supporters and

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<v Speaker 2>they pointed out that this is part of one nation's agenda,

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<v Speaker 2>and furthermore, it's being bankrolled by billionaires. And the plea was, look,

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<v Speaker 2>Labor has to get busy, we have to be fighting

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<v Speaker 2>fit on the ground now, because the only time to

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<v Speaker 2>begin holding onto power is now, not when an election

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<v Speaker 2>is called. So the other point to make, too is

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<v Speaker 2>that the budget, without a doubt, has cost Labor politically.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was talking to a cabinet minister during the

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<v Speaker 2>week who said, look, the political design of this budget

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<v Speaker 2>is once it has passed, once it is no longer

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<v Speaker 2>creating the headlines, people say, well, what was that all

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Because they've grandfathered most of it and some

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<v Speaker 2>of it doesn't come in for a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>and anyway, it won't directly affect millions in the way

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<v Speaker 2>in which you know, which the nay says are pointing out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if we look at the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>commentary has gone around the budget, Paul, I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>have you made of the reaction from the mainstream media

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<v Speaker 1>in particular when it comes to this. You mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the nightling years. You watch the commercial television, usual

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<v Speaker 1>listen to commercial radio, and you would swear that the

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<v Speaker 1>budget was the worst thing to happen to the country

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<v Speaker 1>since federation. What have you made of it? As a

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<v Speaker 1>veteran of the press gallery.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd have to say that the Australian and the Murdock

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<v Speaker 2>tabloids have become basically propaganda sheets, you know, if not

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<v Speaker 2>of the liberals, certainly of the opponents of the Labor government,

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<v Speaker 2>and make very little attempt to any sort of balanced

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<v Speaker 2>approach to it. I mean, we just see acres of

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<v Speaker 2>negative stories digging up the most extreme examples as reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why this budget is such a failure. I was told

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<v Speaker 2>in a group meeting with the Prime Minister about three

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<v Speaker 2>or four weeks ago that the people at the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>warned him that if you do touch negative gearing or

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<v Speaker 2>capital gains tax, then we will go in hard on

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<v Speaker 2>the broken promises. So Albanezi was given for warning that

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of approach would happen. The government, however, says, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're at the stage where we could not just sit

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<v Speaker 2>back and do nothing for the next two years without

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<v Speaker 2>addressing the core the radical causes of what is a

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<v Speaker 2>genuine housing crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, Paul, as we turned to our great friends

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<v Speaker 1>across the Pacific, the Americans. This week's been a busy

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<v Speaker 1>week on that front too. First we were told we'd

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<v Speaker 1>only be getting second hand subs from the US under

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<v Speaker 1>the Orchestral and then Trump slapt day twelve point five

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<v Speaker 1>percent tariff on US and forty three other countries. Is

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<v Speaker 1>American making the government look good or bad right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's making us look like a client state. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to say to you, General, that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>we are. It's what we've come to. We're now in

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<v Speaker 2>the situation where our most important ally is doing us

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<v Speaker 2>and basically the rest of the world more damage than

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<v Speaker 2>any of our pugative enemies. I mean, Trump's war in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East has completely thrown the world trading order

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<v Speaker 2>and economy into disarray at great cost. Now when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to Trump putting tariffs on us, well, the reality

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<v Speaker 2>is that Trump has to pay for his excesses, especially

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<v Speaker 2>for his massive tax cuts to himself these billionaire mates.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the way he's doing it. As we know,

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs are actually attacks that American humers pay. But what

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<v Speaker 2>it does of course, is make our exports dearer and

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<v Speaker 2>hard to get in, harder to get into the market.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other point, of course is the decision on

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<v Speaker 2>the submarines. The discussion there is it's better to get

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<v Speaker 2>in service submarines than used submarines. That did you see

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<v Speaker 2>the argument put by the Defense minister that these nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>powered submarines have thirty year life and if you get

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<v Speaker 2>them in the first six years, it's like getting a demo,

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<v Speaker 2>a demo car.

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<v Speaker 1>They are sounding like used car salespeople. That's exactly right here.

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<v Speaker 2>This demo is just so it's only got two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>kilometers on the clock. So yes, so it looks like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what we've got up in lights is that we take

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<v Speaker 2>what the Americans will give us. And of course Paul Keating,

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<v Speaker 2>the former Prime Minister, just can't believe that we would

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<v Speaker 2>see so much of our sovereign wealth to the Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what is it, three hundred billion dollars worth

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<v Speaker 2>in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, it's hard to make sense of it all, but

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<v Speaker 1>you are doing a really good job of it. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you once again for joining us.

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