1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The Flood is brought to you by the Australian War Memorial. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Some stories define a nation, others reveal what it means 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: to be human. Through Their Eyes is a new podcast 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: from the Australian War Memorial that uncovers powerful human stories, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: revealing war through unexpected perspectives and immersive storytelling. Through Their 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Eyes will be live soon wherever you get your podcasts. 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: I wrung my wife and said, we've had a bit 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: of a Messhow can you come and pick me up 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: and pick up some cigarettes? Behind got wet. 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: I'm Cameron Stewart and this is the fourth and final 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: episode of The Flood the Fallout. The Shadow was back 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: on the surface, but Peter Scott and his crew were 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: still a long way from dry land. 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 4: We didn't know the state about hydraulic systems, electrical systems. 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: We didn't know how much water we had on the boat. 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 4: We didn't know what casualties we'd suffer and therefore, you know, 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: what expertise we'd lost and so on. We didn't know 18 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: probably at that point, whether there'd been other issues, like, 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: you know, had fire started or whatever. So once we 20 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 4: were on the roof a really serious damage control battle, 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 4: kind of began. 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 2: It was a long trends at back. I can remember 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: that because we were severely speed restricted because of the 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: damage that had been done to the main mate of 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: cooling gear. There was a lot of work going on 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: to try and get systems back up to get us 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: home safe, and that was obviously carried out. But that 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: time coming back in was I guess, just the time 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: to reflect and come to groups with what had just happened. 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: Jordie Buntzing had more to reflect on the most. He 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: lost a round of rock paper scissors, nearly drowned in 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: the lower major room and soakedy cigarettes. For the next 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: six hours, the submarine chugked back to the Naval base 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: HMAS Sterling near Perth Top Brass led by Commodore Mike Diggs, 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: commander of the Australian Submarine Group. That scrambled an emergency response. 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: I can recall it very clearly. 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 5: We set the wills in motion to provide the support 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 5: for the submarine, so that included some medical support, HR support, 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 5: psychological people on standby, as well as engineering support. Obviously 40 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 5: we needed to find out what the problem was and 41 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 5: make sure the submarine was saved. 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 4: It was a tremendous relief to get back alongside, and 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 4: great to see a guy like Mike Diggs, who I've 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 4: known from my very first days in the Navy. Yeah, 45 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: so it was just really good to see your boss 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: there and know that you've sort of got yourself through that. 47 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 5: I was on the wharf when Dushana arrived back alongside, 48 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 5: and I was the first person at Peter Scott spoke 49 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 5: to when he came off the submarine on arrival. My 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: emotions were a degree of thankfulness and relief, but also 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 5: of pride. Peter is a very matter of fact sort 52 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 5: of person and a very calm person, and that shone 53 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 5: through on that occasion, and he, probably without any intention, 54 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 5: underplayed the seriousness of the event. As I got more 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: information about it, I realized exactly how serious it was. 56 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: The Navy had to urgently find out what went wrong 57 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: with Dushana and ensure the problem didn't extend to the 58 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: other Colins class submarines. It immediately recalled all submarines to 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: port and reduced the deep diving depth, therefore reducing the 60 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: pressure on the seawater hoses until the accident could be investigated. 61 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: In the immediate aftermath, may just recalled the submarines because 62 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: we didn't understand what had happened. We didn't know what 63 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: risk the boats might have been exposed to and so on. 64 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: It was probably within a week that they were released 65 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: to sail again when we understood the sort of red 66 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: course of the problem. 67 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: Investigators put the seawater hoses through rigorous pressure tests, much 68 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: more intense than the colon submarine's deep diving depth, but 69 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: couldn't find any fault to explain the flood. Months dragged 70 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: into several years with no answers, and the Navy had 71 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: no choice but to maintain a reduced deep diving depth 72 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: for many years. This curtailed their potency because submarines are 73 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: easier to detect and have more limited options for attack 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: if they are subject to depth restrictions. Since World War One, 75 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: submarines have been a critical part of warfare with their 76 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: ability to sneak up on hostile forces and destroy them. 77 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: In World War Two, U boat fleets of the Germans 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: and the Allies played a critical role in the war's outcome. 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 6: The Commander in Chief Patic Fleet Dad moments they should 80 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 6: have brief Given a came from Pearl Harbor, he has 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 6: to be afternoon. I don't think that the fop of 82 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 6: a large and. 83 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: Today there are two types of submarines, attack submarines which 84 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: hunt and destroy enemy submarines and service ships gather intelligence 85 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: and launch tactical cruise missiles. Then there are the larger 86 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: ballistic missile submarines operated by nuclear weapons states. These sophisticated 87 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: submarines are armed with nuclear weapons and roam the world's 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: oceans twenty four to seven, creating a permanent nuclear deterrent 89 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: which allows the nation to hit back through these submarines 90 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: if it's ever subjected to a nuclear attack. The Colins 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: class submarines, which Australia operates, are attack submarines. As an 92 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: either nation, they are considered a most formidable defense capability. 93 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: Here's Peter Scott. 94 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 4: The failure was basically a flexible hose. One of the 95 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: things about submarines is you want to be out there 96 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: and you want to be as quiet as you possibly can. 97 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: You do need to operate a lot of machinery on board, 98 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 4: so you want to isolate that machinery from the hull 99 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 4: so that the noise and the machinery doesn't vibrate out 100 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: into the ocean. One of the ways that we do. 101 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 4: That is, rather than connecting hard pipes from the system 102 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: to the hull, there's pressure rated flexible hoses and they 103 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 4: just create that sort of acoustic barrier between the machinery 104 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 4: and the whole. So these are tested to all sorts 105 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: of pressures, and there are hundreds of them on board 106 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 4: the submarines. This one failed and eventually the investigations found 107 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: that it was a manufacturing defect. 108 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: Mike Dix. 109 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 5: Again, the nature of the pressure on those hoses were 110 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: somewhat different to what they were designed for, if I 111 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 5: recall correctly. In other words, the constant pressure versus pulse 112 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 5: pressures may have caused the hose to fail because there 113 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 5: hadn't been properly designed for the situation that found. 114 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: Itself in the Other dilemma was what to tell the media. 115 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 5: The Clowns class had had a lot of bad press 116 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 5: We didn't need any more, but we needed to really 117 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: draw out the positives out of this situation. 118 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: Navy probably didn't have a whole lot of tolerance for 119 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: the media at that time, and to be honest, there 120 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: wasn't much more to be said, so I think within 121 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: probably a week or two, the Navy probably shut down 122 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 4: on it again and said, we've told you what we 123 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: can tell you. 124 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: That's all there is to it. Do you think they 125 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: played it down to a degree because of a circumstance. 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 4: So the Navy would not have played it up, because 127 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: there's nothing to be gained by playing it up. My 128 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 4: sense is they would have played it with a pretty 129 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: straight bat. 130 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: The Navy did not completely cover up the flood on Dushana, 131 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: but it did all that it could to ensure that 132 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: the real story was not told. Four days after the flood, 133 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: the Navy stated merely that a number of tons of 134 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: water had entered the submarine after a host failed, but 135 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: it made no mention of deep diving depth a critical factor, 136 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: and it did not say how close the submarine came 137 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: to being lost. As a result, within the twenty four 138 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: hour news cycle, the story had orbit banished. Meanwhile, the 139 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: Navy had the cruise, well theare to think of. 140 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 5: You know you hear very often nowadays about PTSD. Well, 141 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: that was certainly we're aware of that at those times, 142 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 5: and we needed to look after the crew both immediately 143 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 5: after the incident itself, but then follow up in the 144 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 5: weeks and months to come. Sometimes these things take a 145 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 5: while to reveal themselves. 146 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: Jeordie Bunting Again. 147 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: There was advice and psychology advice that was offered, but 148 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: I was a blug and we don't do that. We 149 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: just get on the part of me says, how do 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: I have taken those opportunities up? 151 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: Then it. 152 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: Might have changed things. But down the track I did 153 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: see kel I was broken, and it worked organizationally. 154 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 4: I knew that different people would need different kinds of support, 155 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: you know, depending on what their experience had been on 156 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 4: the day. I think we probably asked everyone to sit 157 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: down with a psychologist at some stage. Through those next 158 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: several weeks, there was kind of barely a moment when 159 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: some of that wasn't playing out in my head, and 160 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 4: I think that's just you know, your body and your 161 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 4: brain still trying to comprehend what's happened and place it somewhere. 162 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: I know that. 163 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: Certainly for the first couple of weeks afterwards, I'd go 164 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 4: to bed at night and just find myself just lying 165 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: as still and quiet as I could, while I was 166 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: sort of really liiving some of this stuff, and I 167 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: was kind of most determined not to. You know, Sean 168 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: and my wife, she's been around submarines as long as 169 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 4: I have right. But what I didn't want to do 170 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 4: was sort of betrayed her the full sense of the 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: trauma that we've been through, because I knew we had 172 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: to go back to sea, and I didn't want to 173 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: add two her concern while we were away for another 174 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: three months, totally out of contact as you are for 175 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: weeks and weeks, I mean. 176 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: To the amazement of the Navy's top rast, despite the 177 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: traumatic experience of the Deschena's crew, every one of them 178 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: reported back for duty just two weeks after the flood 179 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: to go back to see. 180 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: We were part of a crew that wanted to get 181 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: back to doing what we were doing. If anything had 182 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: brought the crew together. 183 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 4: Trauma aside, they actually came away with a much renewed 184 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 4: and maybe even reinvigorated sense of confidence in themselves, what 185 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 4: they were able to do, what they're training had given 186 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: them on the day. 187 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: And in their boat. 188 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 4: To a degree, it was what I expected. But I 189 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: know how hard it was to get my own ass 190 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 4: back on that submarine, so I don't imagine it was 191 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: any easier for the others. So, you know, a lot 192 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: of a lot of respect for those people. 193 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: For some crew members, like Jordie Bunting, the trauma of 194 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: the flood had the delayed impact. It created demons which 195 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: came back to haunt them months and even years later. 196 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: Do you think about it much? 197 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: It's in your mind every day every day. 198 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 199 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: My wife sleeps beside me at night and knows I 200 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: have nightmares. It's nights about it. 201 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 5: YEA. 202 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: What do you do? Either get on the horse and 203 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: get going, or you let it ruin your life. And 204 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: it's certainly changed my life, but it's not going to 205 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: own me. It changed my life forever in the blink 206 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 2: of an eye. And it's not only for me, I 207 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: guess for the whole crew. We've been through an experience 208 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: which was near death. My appreciation of people have certainly changed, 209 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: and being very conscious of those around you that if 210 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: you're treating with respect, they may well save your life. 211 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: And that's dear to me. I carry that ethos from 212 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 2: a civilian life now in the second career that I've 213 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: got very very risk adverse. Now I don't take risks 214 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: a lot more, calculating it certainly led to mental health issues. 215 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't hide behind that. But now, look, the incident 216 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: made me the person that I am today. 217 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: What I do again? Yeah? Probably John Ryan was the 218 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: chief engineer all the crew. John that I have spoken 219 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: to describe it as a terrifying experience on a scale 220 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: of one to ten. Where would you rank it tenough? 221 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 7: Why, it's pretty much as close as you ever want 222 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 7: to come to death. 223 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 3: Melanie Elton was a SINA operator. 224 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 8: I've had definitely a lifelong effect. Definitely. Anxiety is probably 225 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 8: my worst is I don't have any confidence in myself. 226 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 8: I don't want any jobs of responsibility. I seem to 227 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 8: be staring away from them now. So I've now the 228 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 8: job changed I'm going to do. 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Listen to Through Their 238 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Eyes soon wherever you get your podcasts. 239 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: Two years after the flood in two thousand and five, 240 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: I was having a beer with a defense contact when 241 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: he whispered, have you heard the rumor that the Navy 242 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: almost lost a submarine a few years ago? I wondered 243 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: if he was referring to the small story about the 244 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: broken hose and the Dashano two years earlier. As luck 245 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: would have it, I still had the contact details for 246 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: many of the Dashano crew because I'd spent forty eight 247 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: hours on board that same submarine just months before the incident. 248 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: I avoided the giant defense media machine, which I knew 249 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: would try to shut down the story, so I directly 250 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: contacted many of the crew members I had sailed with. 251 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: To my surprise, most of them were willing to brave 252 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: the wrath of defense pr to tell me their story. 253 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: But I didn't get the one interview I needed until now. 254 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 4: Cameron on Commodore Peter Scott retired from full time service 255 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 4: in the Royal Australian. 256 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: After commander of the Dusheno. Scott was promoted to Commodore 257 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: and became commander of the Australian Submarine Group before serving 258 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: in Iraq. The Persian Gulf in Afghanistan. Even in twenty 259 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: twenty three, when Scott wrote a memoir called Running Deep, 260 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: he only touched lightly on the flood, devoting six pages 261 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: out of two hundred and sixty five to that dramatic day. 262 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: But in his foreword to Scott's memoir, the then Governor 263 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: General David Hurley did not ignore those six pages. Hurley 264 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: described the flood as an extraordinary story of terror, bravery, 265 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: leadership and team response during a major life threatening emergency 266 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: at sea. So in early twenty twenty six, I asked 267 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: Peter Scott to finally give me the interview I'd saught 268 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: for twenty one years. 269 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: When we sit here like this and ask me questions 270 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: about it's pretty bloody hard sometimes to go back to it. 271 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: But I think it's had a different impact at different times. 272 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: I think fundamentally professionally, it's been a solid and positive. 273 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: Impact for the crew. 274 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: It really was a binding, solidifying piece of professional justification 275 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 4: and experience, and they went on to do remarkable work. 276 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 4: For myself, i'd say it was it would be present 277 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: more often than it needed to be, But of course 278 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 4: it sits alongside a number of other life threatening situations 279 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: that I've been through in a thirty four year service career, 280 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: aloted time in Iraq in Afghanistan. There were a couple 281 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: of times when I went off to seek the support 282 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: of psychologists, once over a period immediately before I was 283 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 4: promoted to Commodore, when I was going to be head 284 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 4: of the Summarina, and I just wanted to sort of 285 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: get a level on some of the stress and anxiety 286 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: that I. 287 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 9: Was living with. 288 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 4: I was worried that some of this stuff might come 289 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 4: back and bite me on the bum down track. 290 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: Both Peter Scott and former submarine commander Mike Dix adamant 291 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: that the floodies are more of a good news story 292 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: than bad. 293 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: It was quite a remarkable set of circumstances. I've got 294 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 5: no doubt that at the time of the incident there 295 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 5: were some people that were very shaken up by it, 296 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 5: But being a sub mariner operating in the environment, which 297 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 5: we do, comes with some inherent risks. But it was 298 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 5: a great example of the camaraderie and the sense of 299 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 5: even though you're in very difficult situation, that they are 300 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 5: actually in control of that situation. And the things that 301 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 5: they did at the time were entirely appropriate to bring 302 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 5: their submarine safety to the surface. 303 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: The Colins class submarines has certainly been tested, but as 304 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: they approach the end of their operational lives, the boats 305 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: have been a success. 306 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 5: They've done some outstanding work in support of government objectives 307 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 5: and Australians should be very, very proud of their service. 308 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: The Colins boats are thirty years old and now they 309 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: need significant taxpayer investment to keep going until Australia gets 310 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: its new boats. Under the Australia America, Britain orchest Steel Australia, 311 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: the US and the UK will work together to develop 312 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: unmanned under sea vehicles as part of the Trilateral ORCUS Agreements. 313 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: First we'll get nuclear powered Virginia class submarines from America, then, 314 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: together with Britain, will build and sustain our own nuclear 315 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 3: powered boats, the Orcers class. 316 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 6: The US doesn't usually share this type of technology with 317 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 6: US allies, so the fact that Australia's getting it is 318 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 6: a massive deal. 319 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: We'll need to grow the workforce of sub mariners from 320 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: around eight hundred and fifty today to more than three 321 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: thousand in the next twenty years, so can the Collins 322 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: boats keep us going In the meantime, the government's scaling 323 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: back at spending on Colin's sustatement and maintenance, prompting real fears, 324 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 3: will end up with a capability gap that is no 325 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: effective submarine fleet at all for a period of time. 326 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: Mike Deeck says stories like that of the flood on 327 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: the Dushano, no matter how terrifying, shouldn't deter would be 328 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 3: sub mariners. From what he says, is an exciting life. 329 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: If I was a kid in high school now, I'll 330 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 5: be getting through my AGSC exams my year twelve and 331 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 5: then looking to join the Navy and become a sub 332 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 5: mariner because I think it would be a really exciting career. 333 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: I think it is interesting times to have another look 334 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 5: at the Dashano and what happened back then. 335 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: But she's still sailing. 336 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 5: The submariners are still doing their work, largely unsun but 337 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 5: playing a very important role in the defense of Australia. 338 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: The submarine has been for a very long time and 339 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: will remain the nation's principal strategic deterrent. It's an absolutely 340 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: critical naval capability critical to the nation's security and prosperity. 341 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: The offensive and deterrent capability and capacity of the submarines 342 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 4: we have today and the submarines that we will have 343 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 4: in the future is remarkable. It is what demands the 344 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 4: respect of regional navies and that's where the real value 345 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 4: of our submarines lies. So if I had the chance 346 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 4: to be a part of that again, no doubt, I'd 347 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: absolutely be stepping forward again. 348 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: Despite their traumatic experience, the Dushana Crue say they would 349 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: do it all again. Here's John Ryan. 350 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 7: I mean, the buck did what it was supposed to do. 351 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 7: The people did what they were supposed to do. Yeah, 352 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 7: I mean submarine is just a lump of steel, but 353 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 7: the people in it and the systems they run it perfect. 354 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 7: The Colins have got a bad rap back in the 355 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 7: day by a lot of the media. I think a 356 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 7: lot of it was unfounded or at least dramatized. Living 357 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 7: it and seeing what was reported on were two completely 358 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 7: different things. So yeah, if someone's thinking about it, I 359 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 7: would definitely give it a go. Great life, great experience, 360 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 7: great training. 361 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: See the world. 362 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: I should put me on a poster paid for that. 363 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: And here's Melanie. 364 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 8: Ellerton that you will never find any job with the 365 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 8: same out of loyalty, family, courage, adventure not one day's 366 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 8: the same, the bonding of all your crew like it's 367 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 8: so worth it. I was a shoy girl, got picked 368 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 8: on for having red hair at school, and then I've 369 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 8: got up to being a leading seaman on a submarine 370 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 8: running a sign I watch so anyone can do it. 371 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 9: And Greg Sullivan thinking about the flood every now and again, 372 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 9: I think probably affects me more. If I'm telling someone 373 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 9: the story and going through the events, I get a 374 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 9: bit of a shittuck. But I mean, in the end, 375 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 9: everyone on the boat did a great job, and I 376 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 9: think that's why it all turned out. In the end. 377 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 9: I think everyone on the boat should be proud of 378 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 9: everything that we all did on that day. 379 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: In two thousand and six, Greg Sullivan, who saved Jordie 380 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 3: Bunting's life by lifting him out of the flooded lie 381 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 3: motor room of the Duschina, was quiet the award of 382 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: the Bravery Medal by the end n Governor General Major 383 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: General Michael Jeffrey. His citation reads, mister Sullivan was on 384 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: duty in another compartment of the submarine when he heard 385 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: a loud bang and ran to investigate. He found that 386 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: there was a serious flood in the lower motor room, 387 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: and that a crew member was pinned beneath the exit 388 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 3: ladder by the force of the flood. Despite the danger, 389 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: he assisted in reaching through a small access hatch into 390 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: the rapidly flooding space and pulled the shocked and disoriented 391 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: crew member to safety, regardless of the risk of electrocution. 392 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 3: Mister Sullivan then stayed to assist in damage control operations. 393 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: By his action, mister Sullivan displayed considerable bravery by his 394 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: Excellency's command, Signed Michael Jeffrey, The crew of the Dushena 395 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: of long parted scattered toward corners of Australia and even overseas. 396 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: A few are still in the Navy, but most are 397 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: out pursuing new careers or retired. Many of the crew 398 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 3: now have adult children and even grandchildren, a new generation 399 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: that came within twenty seconds of never existing. Some of 400 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: the Dashana crew are still in touch. Those that are 401 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: say that the shared experience of the flood binds them 402 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: together forever. Do you think in a strange way that 403 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: terrifying experience was a binding experience for the crew? 404 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. They called being of brothers or being of 405 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. 406 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: Then they are awesome, but for those who are on 407 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: board the Dashana that day, the memory of the flood 408 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 3: is always there in some form. Peter Scott is adamant 409 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: that the survival of the submarine on that day was 410 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: due to his crew rather than himself. 411 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 4: I definitely think I've had my fair share of both 412 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: adventure and misadventure. I spent a lot of time in submarines, 413 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: so I had some really difficult days. But thankfully I 414 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: was trained and prepared and equipped to deal with those 415 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: and I was with the right people on those days, 416 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: and they were trained and prepared and equipped to deal 417 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 4: with those difficult days as well. And those days are memorable, 418 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 4: but they're not the important days. The important days are 419 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: the days when you're out there having a strategic effect 420 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: for the nation. So I left the Navy. I spent 421 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 4: a lot of time and did a lot of work 422 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 4: in the months after I left that job, finding the 423 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: right ways to reprocess some of those memories. And today 424 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 4: it's a part of my life. It's an experience I 425 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 4: went through most of the time. You know, it doesn't 426 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: occur to me. 427 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: For Jordi Budzing, his will was turned upside down by 428 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 3: his near death experience Underdshado. Life still has its challenges, 429 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: but he says he has no regrets about his time 430 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 3: in the Navy. 431 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: I loved it. I was proud, I was proud to serve, 432 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: I was proud to be a submar and I wouldn't 433 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: change a thing. 434 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: He looks back on that faithful day on the Dushino. 435 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 3: He says there are three people he owes his life to. 436 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: The first are his two crewmates, Greg Sullivan and Michael Morris, 437 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 3: who ran towards the flood and risked their lives to 438 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 3: save him as he was drowning. 439 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: If I hadn't a true to them with respect, would 440 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: they have come back and got me. That's a question 441 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: I'll never know. I'll never know. 442 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: But there is another person, he says he wants to 443 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: thank again after all these years, not just for himself, 444 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: but on behalf of the fifty four men and six 445 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: women who made it back to Perth against the odds. 446 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: Cool, calm and calculated Commander Scott at the time, I 447 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: had the utmost trust in his crew, and the crew 448 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: had the utmost trust in Commander Scott. He was a 449 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: genuine person who was endearing to his crew. He knew 450 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: what he wanted out of him, and the crew weren't 451 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: scared to give him what he wanted. He was just 452 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: an absolute gentleman. 453 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 3: What do you say to him today? 454 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing us on. 455 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: Visus Episode four of our four part series, which the 456 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: Australian subscribers here first at the floodpodcast dot com and 457 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. If you haven't seen our beautiful documentary video 458 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: all Red Cameron stories, go to the floodpodcast dot com. 459 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: The Flood is an audio and video investigation for The 460 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: Australian by Cameron Stewart, executive producer Claire Harvey and editor 461 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: Jasper Leik. You can watch the video right now at 462 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: the floodpodcast dot com. Our theme is composed by Jasperlik. 463 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: Cinematography is by Andy Taylor and video editing Lachlan Clear. 464 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: Additional footage was shot by Luke Geldard and Peter aquilina 465 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: A graphics of by Sean Callanan and animations by Franklin. 466 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: Special thanks to Kristin Amiot, Ryan Elfin, the Australian National 467 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: Maritime Museum and the Australian War Memorial. Captured Imprisoned Determined 468 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: to Survive through first hand accounts from the Australian War 469 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: Memorial's archives. 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