WEBVTT - The Trial: Erin's death cap admission 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.360 In terms of the meal that you cooked for the 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.920 lunch which is the subject of this trial. Yes, do 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.360 you accept that there must have been deathcap mushrooms in 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:09.840 that meal? 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:10.480 Yes? 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.560 I do. And speaking globally, do you remember where the 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.960 mushrooms that went into that meal came from? So all 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:19.759 of the mushrooms that went into. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.200 The meal, right, So the vast majority came from the 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.240 local Wilworth's in Leongatha. Yes, and there were some from 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:28.400 the grocer in Melbourne. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.680 That was actors voicing the words of defense barrister Colin 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.680 Mandy and his client, accused murderer Aaron Patterson. It was 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.400 the first time she was asked about the beef Wellington 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.800 meal at the center of this trial, the first time 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.839 she said there must have been deathcap mushrooms in it. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.240 Her responses formed part of her day long testimony. Today, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.880 testimony will break down this episode. I'm Brooke Greebert Cray 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:01.960 and this is the Mushroom cook. It's day twenty five 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.839 of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and I'm here with court 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.080 reporter Laura Plassella. It was another big day in court, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:08.560 wasn't it. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.880 Yes, Erin took the stand for the entire day, she 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.319 was wearing a different outfit than she was yesterday. She 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.000 was in a navy blouse with white polka dots on it, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.760 but she still had her hair out, and today she 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:21.840 brought her glasses with her. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.960 In yesterday's episode, we wanted our listeners to hear Erin 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.760 in her own words as she gave evidence for the 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.600 first time, but in today's episode will be providing more 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.560 contexts around the topics. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.720 That she was asked about yes At the top of 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.120 the episode, our listener's heard in exchange between mister Mandy 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.440 and Aaron today where she was specifically asked about the 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.960 lunch on July twenty nine, and this was actually the 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.400 first time she has been asked in court by mister 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.800 Mandy about this lunch. It hasn't been touched on before, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.200 and she admitted in her response that there must have 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.200 been death caps in that meal. Now it has been 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.920 a few episodes since we've mentioned the defense case. Just 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.440 as a reminder, Erin has pleaded not guilty to three 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.600 counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. She 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.240 says what happened at that lunch was a tragedy and 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:17.320 a terrible accident. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.640 Erin was also asked about her love of mushrooms and 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.919 she said she discussed fungi with her Facebook friends, who 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.400 have given evidence already in this trial. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.720 Erin explained to the jury today how much she loves 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.480 mushrooms of all different varieties. She explained how she would 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.000 buy mushrooms from the local woolies near where she lived, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.040 as well as farmers' markets and Asian grocers whenever she 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.520 came to Melbourne. These grocers were located around one of 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.919 her properties in Mount Waverley, namely in suburbs such as Oakley, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.600 Clayton and Glen Waverley, and she said that she would 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.280 visit these stores when she was staying in Melbourne with 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.240 her children during the school holidays. The court heard that 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.639 some of the mushrooms she brought from these doors included shataki, 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.560 enochi or porscini mushrooms, and she said she would use 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.840 them in a variety of dishes such as curries, pasta 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.480 dishes and soup. When asked today by mister Mandy what 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.160 she liked about exotic mushrooms, she said, they just taste 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.080 more interesting, they have more flavor. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.200 Aaron told the jury that she developed an interest in 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:27.919 wild mushrooms in early twenty twenty during COVID lockdowns in Victoria. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.720 Aaron said she spotted mushrooms growing in the paddocks at 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.120 one of her properties at Shelcott Road in karram Burra, 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.040 and this is where she had animals. I think it's 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.920 important to note to our listeners that over eleven years 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.600 Aaron owned six properties. She owned four in karram Burrough 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.320 and that included in Nason Street Anthony Court, and she 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.480 had two properties on Shelcott Road. She had another property 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.440 in Mount Waverley at Lion Street which we mentioned earlier. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.680 And finally she had another property at Gibson Street in 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.480 Lean Gathera and that's where the lunch took place. On 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.800 July twenty nine, twenty twenty three. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.080 Erin told the court that it took a while for 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.520 her to confidently identify the mushrooms she was spotting. She 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.200 said she relied on a Facebook group for mushroom lovers, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.039 where people could post the mushrooms they were seeing in 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.080 the wild and ask other people to help identify them. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.880 After she said her knowledge increased, she began regularly picking 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:33.039 mushrooms and cooking them. Minmeals, including those she served her children. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.520 She told the court she would chop the mushrooms up 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.479 very small so her children couldn't pick them out. She 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.960 told the court the mushrooms they were eating tasted good 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:42.360 and she didn't get sick. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:47.400 Mister Mandy also asked Aaron questions about her purchasing a 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:52.599 dehydrator in April twenty twenty three. The jury previously heard 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.920 that Aaron dumped this dehydrator at Kunwara Tip and police 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.080 seized it. Asked why she bought the dehydrator, Aaron said, 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.560 I liked eating wild mushrooms, but it's a very small season. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.039 You can't keep them too long in the fridge, so 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.359 it was one way of sort of preserving them and 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.560 having them available later on throughout the year. But it 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.360 wasn't just for mushrooms, so I thought perhaps I could 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.159 use it to preserve a whole range of things. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.640 Between twenty twenty and twenty twenty three, Erin said she 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.320 foraged for mushrooms from a whole range of locations around 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.320 where she lived in Leengatha and carr And Borough. This 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.680 also included picking mushrooms on some of the properties she owned. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.880 Mister Mandy asked her today whether she ever foraged for 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.080 mushrooms under oak trees, and she said she did not. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.320 Photos were shown to Erin today that have been previously 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.880 shown to the jury. She confirmed these were photos she 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.520 had taken that had been extracted from devices seized from 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:51.719 her home. In the photos, the jury could see trays 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.479 from the dehydrader and on them there were slices of 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.360 dried mushrooms. She explained that she was doing some experimenting 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.040 with the de high and wanted to see how long 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.159 it would take to dry out fungi and what temperature 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.479 the dehydrata needed to be. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:07.800 Said to so Laura. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.080 At the start of the episode, our listeners would have 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.919 heard an exchange between mister Mandy and Aaron. Can you 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.279 talk more about where Aaron said the mushrooms in the 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:18.800 beef Wellington were from? 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.160 As we've heard previously, Aaron said that the mushrooms in 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.920 the Beef Wellington came from a Woolworth's and Leandngatha and 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.239 an Asian grocer in Melbourne. She told the court today 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.000 that she wasn't quite clear exactly where she bought them, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.719 but she remembered buying them in April, bringing the product 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.840 home and realizing they smelled very pungent. She didn't think 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.320 a mushroom with that smell would work well in the 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.599 dish she was making at the time, so she put 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.400 them in a container and then placed that container in 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.480 her pantry. She told the court that that container with 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.800 the dried mushrooms from the Asian grocer was in her 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.120 pantry around the time she was dehydrating wild mushrooms in 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.159 May and June, and she went on to say that 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.400 she remembered putting dehydrated wild mushrooms into a container that 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.640 already held other dried mushrooms. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.800 Okay, let's move on from mushrooms, and let's talk about 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.040 another topic that Aaron was asked questions about, that being 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:15.840 child support. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.280 The jury has previously heard evidence that Aaron and Simon 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.640 permanently separated in twenty fifteen, but had remained friends until 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.120 around October twenty twenty two. This was when a dispute 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:31.200 arose about child support after Aaron had found out that 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.239 Simon changed the marital status on his tax return to single. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.280 Erin told the court that she was annoyed that Simon 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.559 had not told her that he was making this change 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.600 on her tax return, and if he had told her earlier, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.000 she would have been able to make an application for 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.280 a family tax benefit. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.560 Erin spoke to her friends about the child support issue 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.600 in a Facebook group chat. She became emotional today when 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:59.560 answering questions about those messages that she sent. When speaking, 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.520 Erin and wiped her eyes with her hand and grabbed 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.040 a tissue. She went on to say that she had 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.400 been part of this chat since January twenty twenty. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.800 The messages that Erin was being asked about today were 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.920 sent in December twenty twenty two, and they are about 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.880 Don's response to the issue. Don being Simon's father. The 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.960 jury were once again shown these messages in court. Here 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:22.920 is the first one. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.680 So Don said, they can't adjudicate if they don't know 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.880 both sides, and Simon won't give his side, so he said, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.840 all he can ask is that Simon and I get 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.040 together and pray for the children this family. I swear 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:34.800 to fucking God. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.760 Erin told the court today that she sent this message 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.080 to her Facebook friends because she felt hurt, frustrated, and 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.880 a little bit desperate. Here's more of what she said today. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.520 I knew that the women would probably support me. Being 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.880 annoyed about those things, and so I sent them to 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.319 them knowing they would probably latch on and become like 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.760 a cheer squad for your problems. Does that make sense? 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.440 She then went on to say, I wish I never 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.040 said that. I feel very feel ashamed for saying it, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.920 and I wish the families didn't have to hear that 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.480 I said that they didn't deserve it. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.440 Mister Mandy then asked Aaron questions about this message she 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.000 sent her online friends. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.480 I'm sick of this shit. I want nothing to do 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.719 with them. I thought his parents would want him to 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.920 do the right thing, but it seems they're concern about 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.559 not wanting to feel uncomfortable and not wanting to get 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.200 involved in their son's personal matters. Are overwriting that? 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.360 So fulcom Aaron told the court she regretted the language 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.199 that she used. Here's more of what she said. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.439 I needed to vent. I needed to get the frustration 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.760 off my chest, and the choices are go into the 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.920 paddock and tell the sheep or vent to these women. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.720 I regret the language that I used, but I knew 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.240 that they would rally around me. I probably played up 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.160 the emotion to get that support. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.640 In court today. Aaron went on to say that she 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.959 didn't mean those things. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.840 I was really frustrated with Simon, but it wasn't done 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.360 Gale's fault, it wasn't the family's fault, and it wasn't 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.080 even entirely Simon's fault. I played a part in the 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:56.640 issue too. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.680 Ultimately, Aaron said it was wrong to try and involve 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.400 Don and Gail and she should have approached it differently 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.480 with Simon. Let's move on to another topic. Yesterday. Aaron 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.480 spoke about her low self esteem in July twenty twenty three, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.240 but today mister Mandy asked her more about her relationship 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:14.760 with food. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.080 She explained that she has struggled with body image issues 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.240 ever since she was a teenager. She said she tried 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.040 every diet under the sun, and also battled Bolimia. This 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.079 is what she said today. I mean, it's been a 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.040 rollercoaster over the years. When I was a kid, Mum 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.000 would weigh us every week to make sure we weren't 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.200 putting on too much weight, and so I went to 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.320 the extreme of barely eating then and through my adult 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.360 years going the other way binging. I suppose, for lack 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.840 of a better word, I had never had a good 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.480 relationship with food, a healthy relationship with food. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.439 Erin and mister Mandy also had an exchange about her health, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.120 in particular about cancer. In week one of the trial. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.960 When Simon gave his evidence, he said Aaron had invited him, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.520 along with Don, Gail Ian and Heather to lunch as 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:05.120 she wanted to discuss some important medical issues. According to Ian, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.400 Aaron told her guests she had cancer and described it 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:09.440 as life threatening. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.200 However, the defense have conceded since the beginning of the 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.800 trial that Erin was never diagnosed with cancer, but have 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.800 suggested that Erin only told the lunch guests that she 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.120 had a suspected diagnosis of cancer. Here's her exchange with 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.280 mister Mandy today. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.800 I want to ask you some questions now about your 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.000 health over the years. The first question is, have you 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.679 ever been diagnosed with ovarian cancer? 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:32.720 I have not. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.720 Have you ever had a needle biopsy on a lump 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:37.559 on your elbow? 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.000 I've never had a needle biopsy anywhere. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.160 Were you worried about having ovarian cancer at any stage? 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.040 Yeah, I was. I was quite worried about it at 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:47.720 certain times. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.320 And the jury has seen some medical records from the 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.800 end of twenty twenty one. Exhibit are yeap where you 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.200 went to the doctor and complained and suggested to the 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.880 doctor that you might have of a cancer. Is that right? Yeah? 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:02.520 I did do that. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.800 What were your symptoms? What was going on? 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.120 I'd been having for a few months by then, a 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:12.000 multitude of symptoms. I felt very fatigued. I had ongoing 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.760 abdominal pain, I had chronic headaches. I put on a 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.520 lot of weight in quite a short period of time, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.800 and had like my feet and my hands seemed to 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.320 retain a lot of fluid. And what set me over 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.480 the edge to actually go to the doctor was my 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.040 wedding ring suddenly wouldn't fit, and so I took them 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.560 to the local jeweler to be resized, and only a 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.080 few weeks later when I picked them up, they, like 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.800 my hands had outgrown them again and I so this 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.680 was like a rapid thing that caused me concern. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.559 Now the notes indicate this Aaron Worries ovarian cancer has 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.199 been googling her symptoms. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:45.000 That's right, yep? 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.199 Is that what you had been doing? 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.840 I had, yep. I consulted doctor Google. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.559 Were there any other reasons about from your own symptoms 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.040 where you thought you might have avarian cancer. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.120 Yeah, there were a few. I had a family history 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.000 of it on both sides of my parents. I'd had 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.680 an overian cyst myself in about two thousand and two, 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.160 and my daughter had an ovarian mass when she was 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.800 a baby. Erin went on to say that her daughter's 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.720 experience in hospital damaged her faith in the medical system, 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.920 especially since they dismissed her concern about her daughter's ovarian mass. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.199 Erin also said she suffered chronic headaches and started googling 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.520 her symptoms, convincing herself that she had a brain tumor 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:26.760 or a brain disease. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.480 To finish off, Laura, let's talk about the long queue 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.840 that was outside La Troe Valley Law Courts today. I 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.480 believe some people were lining up at six am. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.600 News broke very late yesterday that Erin would be taking 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.800 the stand in her own trial, so there wasn't much 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.600 time for members of the public to get down to 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.440 the courthouse in Morwell to hopefully snag a seat. But 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.120 today people were very much prepared. Like you said, Brooke, 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.880 they were arriving very early to get their spot in 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:56.439 the queue. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.080 Yes, I think by eight am there were about twenty 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.880 people in the line, and the doors to the courthouse 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.320 don't actually open until nine am. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.120 Not everyone got a seat at the beginning of the trial, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.240 which kicks off at ten thirty every day, but we 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.040 will say that the staff at the courthouse in Morwell 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.840 have been doing a great job of making sure everything's 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.400 been running smoothly considering that more people than usual are 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:20.360 coming through the building. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.680 Yes, we definitely have to give a shout out to 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.680 the security guards. They do an awesome job. And I 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.760 think that's all for today, so we will be back 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:38.320 tomorrow as Aaron Pattison takes the stand for a third day.