1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: In terms of the meal that you cooked for the 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: lunch which is the subject of this trial. Yes, do 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: you accept that there must have been deathcap mushrooms in 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: that meal? 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 6 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: I do. And speaking globally, do you remember where the 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: mushrooms that went into that meal came from? So all 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: of the mushrooms that went into. 9 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: The meal, right, So the vast majority came from the 10 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: local Wilworth's in Leongatha. Yes, and there were some from 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: the grocer in Melbourne. 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 3: That was actors voicing the words of defense barrister Colin 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: Mandy and his client, accused murderer Aaron Patterson. It was 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: the first time she was asked about the beef Wellington 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: meal at the center of this trial, the first time 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: she said there must have been deathcap mushrooms in it. 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: Her responses formed part of her day long testimony. Today, 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: testimony will break down this episode. I'm Brooke Greebert Cray 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: and this is the Mushroom cook. It's day twenty five 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 3: of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and I'm here with court 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: reporter Laura Plassella. It was another big day in court, 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: wasn't it. 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: Yes, Erin took the stand for the entire day, she 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 4: was wearing a different outfit than she was yesterday. She 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: was in a navy blouse with white polka dots on it, 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 4: but she still had her hair out, and today she 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 4: brought her glasses with her. 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: In yesterday's episode, we wanted our listeners to hear Erin 29 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: in her own words as she gave evidence for the 30 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: first time, but in today's episode will be providing more 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: contexts around the topics. 32 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: That she was asked about yes At the top of 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 4: the episode, our listener's heard in exchange between mister Mandy 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 4: and Aaron today where she was specifically asked about the 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: lunch on July twenty nine, and this was actually the 36 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: first time she has been asked in court by mister 37 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: Mandy about this lunch. It hasn't been touched on before, 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: and she admitted in her response that there must have 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: been death caps in that meal. Now it has been 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: a few episodes since we've mentioned the defense case. Just 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: as a reminder, Erin has pleaded not guilty to three 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. She 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: says what happened at that lunch was a tragedy and 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: a terrible accident. 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: Erin was also asked about her love of mushrooms and 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: she said she discussed fungi with her Facebook friends, who 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: have given evidence already in this trial. 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: Erin explained to the jury today how much she loves 49 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: mushrooms of all different varieties. She explained how she would 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: buy mushrooms from the local woolies near where she lived, 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 4: as well as farmers' markets and Asian grocers whenever she 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: came to Melbourne. These grocers were located around one of 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 4: her properties in Mount Waverley, namely in suburbs such as Oakley, 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: Clayton and Glen Waverley, and she said that she would 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 4: visit these stores when she was staying in Melbourne with 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 4: her children during the school holidays. The court heard that 57 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 4: some of the mushrooms she brought from these doors included shataki, 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: enochi or porscini mushrooms, and she said she would use 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: them in a variety of dishes such as curries, pasta 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: dishes and soup. When asked today by mister Mandy what 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: she liked about exotic mushrooms, she said, they just taste 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 4: more interesting, they have more flavor. 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: Aaron told the jury that she developed an interest in 64 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: wild mushrooms in early twenty twenty during COVID lockdowns in Victoria. 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: Aaron said she spotted mushrooms growing in the paddocks at 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: one of her properties at Shelcott Road in karram Burra, 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: and this is where she had animals. I think it's 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: important to note to our listeners that over eleven years 69 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: Aaron owned six properties. She owned four in karram Burrough 70 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: and that included in Nason Street Anthony Court, and she 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: had two properties on Shelcott Road. She had another property 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: in Mount Waverley at Lion Street which we mentioned earlier. 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: And finally she had another property at Gibson Street in 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: Lean Gathera and that's where the lunch took place. On 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: July twenty nine, twenty twenty three. 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: Erin told the court that it took a while for 77 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: her to confidently identify the mushrooms she was spotting. She 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 4: said she relied on a Facebook group for mushroom lovers, 79 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 4: where people could post the mushrooms they were seeing in 80 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 4: the wild and ask other people to help identify them. 81 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: After she said her knowledge increased, she began regularly picking 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 4: mushrooms and cooking them. Minmeals, including those she served her children. 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: She told the court she would chop the mushrooms up 84 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: very small so her children couldn't pick them out. She 85 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: told the court the mushrooms they were eating tasted good 86 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: and she didn't get sick. 87 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: Mister Mandy also asked Aaron questions about her purchasing a 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: dehydrator in April twenty twenty three. The jury previously heard 89 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: that Aaron dumped this dehydrator at Kunwara Tip and police 90 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: seized it. Asked why she bought the dehydrator, Aaron said, 91 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: I liked eating wild mushrooms, but it's a very small season. 92 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: You can't keep them too long in the fridge, so 93 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: it was one way of sort of preserving them and 94 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: having them available later on throughout the year. But it 95 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: wasn't just for mushrooms, so I thought perhaps I could 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: use it to preserve a whole range of things. 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: Between twenty twenty and twenty twenty three, Erin said she 98 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: foraged for mushrooms from a whole range of locations around 99 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: where she lived in Leengatha and carr And Borough. This 100 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 4: also included picking mushrooms on some of the properties she owned. 101 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: Mister Mandy asked her today whether she ever foraged for 102 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: mushrooms under oak trees, and she said she did not. 103 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 4: Photos were shown to Erin today that have been previously 104 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: shown to the jury. She confirmed these were photos she 105 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: had taken that had been extracted from devices seized from 106 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: her home. In the photos, the jury could see trays 107 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 4: from the dehydrader and on them there were slices of 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 4: dried mushrooms. She explained that she was doing some experimenting 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 4: with the de high and wanted to see how long 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 4: it would take to dry out fungi and what temperature 111 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 4: the dehydrata needed to be. 112 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: Said to so Laura. 113 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: At the start of the episode, our listeners would have 114 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 3: heard an exchange between mister Mandy and Aaron. Can you 115 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: talk more about where Aaron said the mushrooms in the 116 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: beef Wellington were from? 117 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: As we've heard previously, Aaron said that the mushrooms in 118 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 4: the Beef Wellington came from a Woolworth's and Leandngatha and 119 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 4: an Asian grocer in Melbourne. She told the court today 120 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: that she wasn't quite clear exactly where she bought them, 121 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: but she remembered buying them in April, bringing the product 122 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 4: home and realizing they smelled very pungent. She didn't think 123 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: a mushroom with that smell would work well in the 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 4: dish she was making at the time, so she put 125 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 4: them in a container and then placed that container in 126 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: her pantry. She told the court that that container with 127 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: the dried mushrooms from the Asian grocer was in her 128 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: pantry around the time she was dehydrating wild mushrooms in 129 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: May and June, and she went on to say that 130 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: she remembered putting dehydrated wild mushrooms into a container that 131 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: already held other dried mushrooms. 132 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on from mushrooms, and let's talk about 133 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: another topic that Aaron was asked questions about, that being 134 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: child support. 135 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: The jury has previously heard evidence that Aaron and Simon 136 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: permanently separated in twenty fifteen, but had remained friends until 137 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: around October twenty twenty two. This was when a dispute 138 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: arose about child support after Aaron had found out that 139 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 4: Simon changed the marital status on his tax return to single. 140 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 4: Erin told the court that she was annoyed that Simon 141 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 4: had not told her that he was making this change 142 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: on her tax return, and if he had told her earlier, 143 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: she would have been able to make an application for 144 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: a family tax benefit. 145 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: Erin spoke to her friends about the child support issue 146 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: in a Facebook group chat. She became emotional today when 147 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: answering questions about those messages that she sent. When speaking, 148 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: Erin and wiped her eyes with her hand and grabbed 149 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: a tissue. She went on to say that she had 150 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: been part of this chat since January twenty twenty. 151 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: The messages that Erin was being asked about today were 152 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: sent in December twenty twenty two, and they are about 153 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: Don's response to the issue. Don being Simon's father. The 154 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 4: jury were once again shown these messages in court. Here 155 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: is the first one. 156 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: So Don said, they can't adjudicate if they don't know 157 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: both sides, and Simon won't give his side, so he said, 158 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: all he can ask is that Simon and I get 159 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: together and pray for the children this family. I swear 160 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: to fucking God. 161 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: Erin told the court today that she sent this message 162 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 4: to her Facebook friends because she felt hurt, frustrated, and 163 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: a little bit desperate. Here's more of what she said today. 164 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: I knew that the women would probably support me. Being 165 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: annoyed about those things, and so I sent them to 166 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: them knowing they would probably latch on and become like 167 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: a cheer squad for your problems. Does that make sense? 168 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: She then went on to say, I wish I never 169 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: said that. I feel very feel ashamed for saying it, 170 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: and I wish the families didn't have to hear that 171 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: I said that they didn't deserve it. 172 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: Mister Mandy then asked Aaron questions about this message she 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: sent her online friends. 174 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: I'm sick of this shit. I want nothing to do 175 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: with them. I thought his parents would want him to 176 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: do the right thing, but it seems they're concern about 177 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: not wanting to feel uncomfortable and not wanting to get 178 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: involved in their son's personal matters. Are overwriting that? 179 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: So fulcom Aaron told the court she regretted the language 180 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: that she used. Here's more of what she said. 181 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 2: I needed to vent. I needed to get the frustration 182 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: off my chest, and the choices are go into the 183 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: paddock and tell the sheep or vent to these women. 184 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: I regret the language that I used, but I knew 185 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: that they would rally around me. I probably played up 186 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: the emotion to get that support. 187 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: In court today. Aaron went on to say that she 188 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 3: didn't mean those things. 189 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: I was really frustrated with Simon, but it wasn't done 190 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: Gale's fault, it wasn't the family's fault, and it wasn't 191 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: even entirely Simon's fault. I played a part in the 192 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: issue too. 193 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: Ultimately, Aaron said it was wrong to try and involve 194 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: Don and Gail and she should have approached it differently 195 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: with Simon. Let's move on to another topic. Yesterday. Aaron 196 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: spoke about her low self esteem in July twenty twenty three, 197 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: but today mister Mandy asked her more about her relationship 198 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: with food. 199 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 4: She explained that she has struggled with body image issues 200 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 4: ever since she was a teenager. She said she tried 201 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: every diet under the sun, and also battled Bolimia. This 202 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 4: is what she said today. I mean, it's been a 203 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: rollercoaster over the years. When I was a kid, Mum 204 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: would weigh us every week to make sure we weren't 205 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: putting on too much weight, and so I went to 206 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 4: the extreme of barely eating then and through my adult 207 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: years going the other way binging. I suppose, for lack 208 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: of a better word, I had never had a good 209 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: relationship with food, a healthy relationship with food. 210 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 3: Erin and mister Mandy also had an exchange about her health, 211 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: in particular about cancer. In week one of the trial. 212 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: When Simon gave his evidence, he said Aaron had invited him, 213 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: along with Don, Gail Ian and Heather to lunch as 214 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: she wanted to discuss some important medical issues. According to Ian, 215 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: Aaron told her guests she had cancer and described it 216 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: as life threatening. 217 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 4: However, the defense have conceded since the beginning of the 218 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: trial that Erin was never diagnosed with cancer, but have 219 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 4: suggested that Erin only told the lunch guests that she 220 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: had a suspected diagnosis of cancer. Here's her exchange with 221 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: mister Mandy today. 222 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you some questions now about your 223 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: health over the years. The first question is, have you 224 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: ever been diagnosed with ovarian cancer? 225 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: I have not. 226 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a needle biopsy on a lump 227 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: on your elbow? 228 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: I've never had a needle biopsy anywhere. 229 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: Were you worried about having ovarian cancer at any stage? 230 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was quite worried about it at 231 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: certain times. 232 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: And the jury has seen some medical records from the 233 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty one. Exhibit are yeap where you 234 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: went to the doctor and complained and suggested to the 235 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: doctor that you might have of a cancer. Is that right? Yeah? 236 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: I did do that. 237 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: What were your symptoms? What was going on? 238 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: I'd been having for a few months by then, a 239 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: multitude of symptoms. I felt very fatigued. I had ongoing 240 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: abdominal pain, I had chronic headaches. I put on a 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: lot of weight in quite a short period of time, 242 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: and had like my feet and my hands seemed to 243 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: retain a lot of fluid. And what set me over 244 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: the edge to actually go to the doctor was my 245 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: wedding ring suddenly wouldn't fit, and so I took them 246 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: to the local jeweler to be resized, and only a 247 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: few weeks later when I picked them up, they, like 248 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: my hands had outgrown them again and I so this 249 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: was like a rapid thing that caused me concern. 250 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: Now the notes indicate this Aaron Worries ovarian cancer has 251 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: been googling her symptoms. 252 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: That's right, yep? 253 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: Is that what you had been doing? 254 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: I had, yep. I consulted doctor Google. 255 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: Were there any other reasons about from your own symptoms 256 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: where you thought you might have avarian cancer. 257 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a few. I had a family history 258 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: of it on both sides of my parents. I'd had 259 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: an overian cyst myself in about two thousand and two, 260 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: and my daughter had an ovarian mass when she was 261 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: a baby. Erin went on to say that her daughter's 262 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: experience in hospital damaged her faith in the medical system, 263 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: especially since they dismissed her concern about her daughter's ovarian mass. 264 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: Erin also said she suffered chronic headaches and started googling 265 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: her symptoms, convincing herself that she had a brain tumor 266 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: or a brain disease. 267 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: To finish off, Laura, let's talk about the long queue 268 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: that was outside La Troe Valley Law Courts today. I 269 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: believe some people were lining up at six am. 270 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: News broke very late yesterday that Erin would be taking 271 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 4: the stand in her own trial, so there wasn't much 272 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 4: time for members of the public to get down to 273 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: the courthouse in Morwell to hopefully snag a seat. But 274 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: today people were very much prepared. Like you said, Brooke, 275 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: they were arriving very early to get their spot in 276 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 4: the queue. 277 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I think by eight am there were about twenty 278 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: people in the line, and the doors to the courthouse 279 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: don't actually open until nine am. 280 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: Not everyone got a seat at the beginning of the trial, 281 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: which kicks off at ten thirty every day, but we 282 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: will say that the staff at the courthouse in Morwell 283 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 4: have been doing a great job of making sure everything's 284 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: been running smoothly considering that more people than usual are 285 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: coming through the building. 286 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: Yes, we definitely have to give a shout out to 287 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: the security guards. They do an awesome job. And I 288 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: think that's all for today, so we will be back 289 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: tomorrow as Aaron Pattison takes the stand for a third day.