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Speaker 1: I'm talking to a very passionate person in this episode,

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Speaker 1: Marley Silvera. She's magnificent. Yes, we're going to talk about football,

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Speaker 1: This is better than yesterday. Making a better every episode

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I made the show from a very

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Marley Silver because rugby League Christmas

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Speaker 1: Enjoy this conversation with Marley Silver Hello, Mary, Hello, How

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Speaker 3: Him being back there and everything.

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00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: I know about him and his leadership style and his

435
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: ability to like be emotionally connected to players helps someone

436
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: like helps Liatroll be Latroll.

437
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can put twenty kilers on a nineteen year old,

438
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: but how do you get him to deploy that aggression

439
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: in a professional manner for justice eighty minutes with meaning

440
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: and then if anything kicks off or you know, before

441
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: or after, just that's what I'm here to do. And

442
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: it's only to do with connection. It's only to do

443
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: with the skills. They usually show up with the skills.

444
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: They don't learn anything new when they get to the NFL.

445
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: It's all head game by the time.

446
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: My dad always speaks about that.

447
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: He always says that his brother was a better rugby

448
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: league player than him. But the way that he kind of,

449
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: I guess dealt with the pressure or was didn't have

450
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: the guidance to kind of stay away from you know,

451
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: whatever you get taken him by as an eighteen year old,

452
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: that it sort of pulled him away from being able

453
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: to pursue the game professionally. And it was because that

454
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: actually was scouted by Arthur Beats and wow, yeah, so

455
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Arthur Beats and came out to a local game in

456
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: Western Sydney when dad was playing and invited him to

457
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: go and trial at the Roosters and that was like

458
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: what kicks started his career. And I think it's like

459
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: touch points like that. And then he was coached by

460
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: Jackie Gibson and you know, had all these incredible leaders

461
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: that he had that real personal connection with that helped

462
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: kind of navigate the whole way through. So it really

463
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: is about that for sure. For me, that's a no

464
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: brainer that without that support network, it just doesn't happen.

465
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: Mentoring is obviously something that's important for you. It's something

466
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: that you do. Who was the first person, that non

467
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: parental person that went, Okay, Marley, I need you to

468
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: come and have a chat with me. We're going to

469
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 1: talk about where you want to go and how are

470
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: you going to get there?

471
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: Who was the first person? I well, I mean, I

472
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: think this is a forefront of mine because we were

473
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: just talking about him. But I think I met Arthur

474
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: Beetzen twice in my life, and the first time I

475
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: was fifteen. I was at Yaben the Survival Day festival

476
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: in Sydney on January twenty sixth, and you know, I

477
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: knew the name but I didn't understand the significance of

478
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: who he was. And him and dad were talking and

479
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: he started talking to me and he said, how old

480
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: are you?

481
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: What year are you in?

482
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: What do you want to do? And I was like, oh,

483
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't really know, Like he goes, just stay at school,

484
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: stay at school. And he said to me, when you

485
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: do that, that makes all of us proud, and that

486
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: impacts all of us MOB. So you finished school and

487
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: we're really proud of you. This is like, you know,

488
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: such a I don't know, like how do you describe

489
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: the kind of figure he is? And again I didn't

490
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: understand the significance of who he was, but in that

491
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: moment his presence and I have never forgotten that and

492
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 2: when he said that, and it was sort of that

493
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: thing of like your individual actions because we are a

494
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: culture of community mindset, you know, I think Western culture

495
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: can be quite individualist.

496
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: But we're not Australian culture.

497
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, so many of my

498
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: friends and family members like who are MOB, Like we

499
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: all talk about that, like everything that we do is

500
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: sort of bigger than us. And I just remember him

501
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: sort of like making that really clear to me that

502
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: you do this and that's good for all of us.

503
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: You were successful, that's good for everyone, regardless of what

504
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: it is that you're doing. If you're doing well for yourself,

505
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: that's good for everyone. So remember that being really significant moment.

506
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: And then I'm really privileged to say that in so

507
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: many parts of my adult life and career, I've had

508
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: people who just like gave me a shot. I ended

509
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: up the cose of a nonprofit at twenty, which I

510
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: wouldn't recommend, but being a part of what was known

511
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: as am Mentoring at the time, which was an education

512
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: program that helped aberage on kids stay at school go

513
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: on to university.

514
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: I've known Jack forwa ye like before he started early on,

515
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: early on.

516
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: So being there working with someone like Jack Manning Bancroft,

517
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: who was doing stuff that like no one else was

518
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: doing at that time, being surrounded by so many amazing

519
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: aberagine people in that organization who literally just I don't know,

520
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: even not necessarily saying things to me explicitly, but you

521
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: just learn how to navigate that stuff by watching other people,

522
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: which was really great. And then after I was burnt

523
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: out by the nonprofit sector, which I think a lot

524
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: of people unfortunately feel like that because it's all just

525
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: about begging people for money.

526
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the nonprofit part is significant, exactly, it's significant. Yes,

527
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: it's it's altruistic to do so, but you're brass tacks, yeah,

528
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: and you're dealing with recycled stationery and you don't ever

529
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: have enough stuff to do everything that you want to do.

530
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: You know what was the hardest thing for me is

531
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: that feeling like you're competing against other Aboriginal organizations for

532
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: the same funding. And I was like, oh, I hate this,

533
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: I actually hate this and it doesn't feel productive. But

534
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: I ended up a consultant for an Aboriginal communications agency

535
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: that was started by Aiden Ridgway, who was one of

536
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: the first Aboriginal senators. And it was actually there that

537
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: I had my first direct line manager, who was an

538
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: older Aboriginal woman. I say older, she was like eight

539
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: years older than me. And I think her impact on

540
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: me is one of the most significant. And MZR two

541
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: and she's just someone who led with like so much

542
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 2: compassion and care for me and like my other colleagues

543
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: who are of the same sort of junior level, like

544
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: to succeed. And I kind of always looked at her like, oh,

545
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, I want to be like that in terms

546
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: of just like hard working, dynamic, creative and kind of

547
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: opening the door and always looking back to offer a

548
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: hand for the person coming up through. And it was

549
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: while I was working under her that I started to

550
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: do more creative pursuits and had my first podcast with

551
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: the Mom and Me Network, and she just gave me

552
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: full creative freedom to like go and record those episodes

553
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: whenever I needed to. Then I got a book deal

554
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: and she was like, Okay, you can drop down to

555
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: four days and then your Friday's you're riding day for

556
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: that whole twelve months. And then I left, obviously like

557
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: to go and freelance and stuff. And it was just

558
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: like I always knew you were going to sort of

559
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: outgrow this and like she wanted me to, which I

560
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: think in an organization it's easy to not want something

561
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: to work.

562
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: And you know it now that you're a bit older.

563
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean you're still more than twenty years younger than me,

564
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: but you know it now. You turn around and you

565
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: see women younger than you, and you can walk into

566
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: an office and go, you is that one right there?

567
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

568
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: You can spot it. Yeah, and game recognize this game

569
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: and that's it's jet's generally in my experience, how it's

570
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: come out. People recognize that they see some a bit

571
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: harder of themselves in a younger person. And doctor Billy

572
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Garvey is a developmental pediatrician. He's an absolutely expert in child

573
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: rearing and stuff like this, and his line is, just

574
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: be the kind of adult that you wish you had

575
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: around when you were having a tough time. And that

576
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: might be true for teenagers, but it's also true in

577
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: the workplace, Like, be the kind of person in a

578
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: workplace that you wish you had around in your first week.

579
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: And that's all it is. And I would recommend anybody

580
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: listening look look around in your workplace, look for the

581
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: person that has a little bit of what you see

582
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: in yourself and go, ah, right, that happened for me.

583
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: And that's the only way that any of us learn anything.

584
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: When you're in those situations and people are leading you

585
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: or mentoring you, or when you're mentoring others, what role

586
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: does storytelling have in leadership or even coaching?

587
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: From your observation, I think storytelling and giving some of

588
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: yourself in order to kind of build that trust and

589
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: connection is so significant. And like for me, storytelling is

590
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: so good storytelling it comes from a place of empathy

591
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: and desire to be connected. And I think that's I

592
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: connect with people by being able to share stories. I

593
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: think that's in the nature of what I do for

594
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: a living as well. It's very much a part of

595
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: who I am and how I understand things. And it's

596
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: so easy to tell people what to do, but it's

597
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: not very impactful if it's just that it has to

598
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: be yeah, led by a really pure desire for connection

599
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: and vulnerability. I think vulnerability is a really key part

600
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: of it as well. If I think all the people

601
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: that I've learned from when they've told me stories or

602
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: I've learned things from them, it's because I see the

603
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: truth in it, or I believe in it because there

604
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: is that vulnerability or is that you know, I don't know,

605
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: lack of fear to talk about failure or to talk

606
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: about you know, the really tough shit that is pretty

607
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: ugly when you are pursuing something that's out of the ordinary.

608
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: Because I think, yeah, like being in media and this

609
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: career is so out of the ordinary, like and so nonlinear.

610
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: And I do have a lot of young women who

611
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: asked me how I got here, or they want to

612
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: do what I do, and I'm like, it is not

613
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: a straight line and it is not be fifteen and

614
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: start there, or like genuinely, I always say just say

615
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: yes to everything. Just say yes to everything. Try everything

616
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: I did midnight to dawns on triple Day. For a year,

617
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: I used to write some terrible articles. I mean, this

618
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: is back in the day where there was I think

619
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: a lot more student led online kind of. Yeah.

620
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: But in the words of my friend Danny Minogue, failure

621
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: is what learning looks like. Yeah, you have to be

622
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: willing to be shit for a while. There's a real

623
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: back to the sporting analogy. There's a reason that there's

624
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: first grade and then about ten under the Yeah, and

625
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: there's development squads start when you're a teenager. Yeah, because

626
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: you've got to kind of suck and really kind of learn,

627
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: sometimes in a painful way, to do and not to

628
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, exactly, so that when you get there,

629
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: you've got those flight miles. No one just does a

630
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: couple of squats and then shows up at a first

631
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: grade game.

632
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like, again, you're going to face

633
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: so many rejections and that's fine, Like, don't take it personal.

634
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: I think that's something I learned really early. Like, you

635
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: can't take it personal. You did something really dumb, if

636
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: you lost your job, even if you had ten doors

637
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: slammed in your face, don't take it personally. Just go

638
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: back and look at what your skills are and work

639
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: hard and get better. And I know it's easier said

640
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: than done, but like, seriously, just try and work to

641
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: separate yourself from the piece of work that you did

642
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: or the way that you did something, and just get better.

643
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: It's all like those questions. I tell you who's got

644
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: balls in the NRL. It's the journalists who will stand

645
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: there and interview a bloke after a game and go

646
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: so you'd think that was a stupid movie. You lost

647
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: the game for the whole team. And I can't remember who.

648
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember the coach it was. I

649
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: think it was a South's game. It was years ago,

650
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: but he cracked the shits at this guy who was

651
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: being an absolute I won't say, you can probably guess

652
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: which news agency he was from, but he went you

653
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: stay right there. I'm going to get the guys out

654
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: of the change room. I'm going to bring them in here,

655
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: and I want you to ask them that question? Yeah,

656
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: all right, do you think you're brave enough to do that?

657
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Because he was being an absolute prick? Yeah, absolutely, Precker.

658
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: I can't handle that. Who goes to play a game

659
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: not fully realizing they won't win and if they don't win,

660
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: to quit? No, like their scoreline may have come in

661
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: our direction, But did I give it absolutely everything? That's

662
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: really all you can control it. As you mentioned, sport

663
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: is this microcosm of our community. My as I mentioned earlier,

664
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: my wife Audrey were a big league household. And there's

665
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: two things that I've really noticed. And we've been together

666
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: ten years eleven this year Jesus, And when we first

667
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: saw Mawaana, we took g to go see Malna. We're

668
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: watching it on the screen, on the big screen, and

669
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Audrey wept from She wept because she'd never seen her

670
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: culture depicted on screen ever, and it was early on.

671
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: It was it blew her mind that the commentators were

672
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: making the effort to pronounce specific islander names correctly. And

673
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: then the other night we were watching the Titans game

674
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: and it was Ganane. He was just going no faster

675
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: on Malari. She's like, oh, he's just showing off there

676
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: as they can. They're really reveling in the glottal stops.

677
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: And you know, you can't be what you can't see.

678
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: But I have first hand experience of the immense power

679
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: of seeing an entire culture recognized simply by a commentator

680
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: making the effort to pronounce a complicated, multi Slavic islander name. Really, well,

681
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: whoever decided that we should start doing this up there

682
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: at the China Line Network or Fox Network, thank you.

683
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: It's really important, absolutely, and I think that that decision

684
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: and that work with Pacific communities came from the players

685
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: and frustration from their families in particular because it particularly

686
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: in pacifica culture it's like last names tell stories that

687
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: is so significant. And at nine we've worked with doctor

688
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: David Lakisa, who's a pacifica consultant and incredible man, some

689
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: man who I feel like I've learned so much from

690
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: since coming to the network. And again it came down

691
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: to what we were speaking about earlier, in his ability

692
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: to do that storytelling with all of us as staff,

693
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: and really that knowledge exchange, and this happened before I

694
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: was there, but he told me how he got everyone

695
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: in a room and gave all the commentators and producers

696
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: and the like the opportunity to talk about their own

697
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: identity and like where their family's from and the like,

698
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: and that being a way is to sort of connect

699
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: and understand this significance and the importance of pronunciations, and

700
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: then he will send us audio clips of the pronunciation,

701
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: particularly for now the NRLW girls, who are a lot

702
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: of them. We get new talent every single year, a

703
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: lot of Pacifica names, and quite a few times up

704
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: before a match, I've got voice messages from David telling

705
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: me how to say this young woman's name or whatever.

706
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: So it's awesome and it's a really cool education tool

707
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: as well. And I know we don't always get it right,

708
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: but I think it's nice to know that we're definitely

709
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: getting better with that part of the community.

710
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: That's so wonderful to hear you talk about storytelling. And

711
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: I've mentioned on this show before storytelling is there's only

712
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: three things need to know. Tell me what it was like,

713
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: tell me what happened, tell me what it's like now

714
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: that's it. And if you know, tell me what it's

715
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: like to hear me say, are your name's Carol? Yeah? Great?

716
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: Tell me about Carol, who was the grandfather Carol and

717
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: great grandfather Carol. Okay, and you're proud of these people

718
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and what they did for your family. Great? Go great

719
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: when I say Carol, And that's what I say on

720
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: television for millions of people to hear. What does it

721
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: feel like? Yeah, but here's how we say fast with Malawi. Yeah,

722
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: taking a break from Mali, be back in just a moment.

723
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: She played touch, She shoo, She's very good at it.

724
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Are you a good touch player?

725
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: No? I'm terrible at playing sport. That's why they give

726
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: you a microphone to talk about it.

727
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: What's that like?

728
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

729
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: Do people pass your balls and expect you to be

730
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: able to well?

731
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: Put it this way you speak about doing.

732
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: We met at a photo shoot when we've done the

733
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: NLW headshots and stuff. I feel so awkward when they

734
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: want me to hold the football, just because I'm like,

735
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: this is a lie.

736
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: Like if you've got put.

737
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: A mic in my hand, fine, but put a football

738
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: in my hand like I talk about it. I definitely

739
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: have learnt enough about rugby league just through osmosis of

740
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: the hours I've watched and been around my entire life.

741
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: But I can't do it, so I would never criticize

742
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: a player.

743
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: I would never criticize a play.

744
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: That's why I talked to them about like, oh, your Nancy,

745
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: what does she think about how you performed? And stuff.

746
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: That's my tone because I understand that part of it.

747
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I will never you know, you spoke about questions of like, oh,

748
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: you dropped the ball and that lost the game. Never

749
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: never ask a question like that, because the finger could

750
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: come back at me and be like, when have you

751
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: ever caught a ball in your life?

752
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: The broadcast of the interviewer and me, and I've seen

753
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: you ask enough of those questions to know that your

754
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: NaN's here. How does it feel to a player who's

755
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: a part of the team that lost? They will probably

756
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: volunteer I really wish you didn't see me drop that ball,

757
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: and they will bring it from a place of you know, honesty,

758
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: you know you want to connect with And those kind

759
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: of questions helped me connect emotionally with the players. I

760
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: connect with the players through the stories they tell and

761
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: the younger players. Now the professionalism that I see in

762
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: these guys. We mentioned that the kind of off field

763
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: grubbery that sometimes associated with with NROL, and it's there

764
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: but I was watching some shall we say, some broadcasters.

765
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: And I know exactly what you're going to be the

766
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 2: Origin camp last year, yep.

767
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: And they had three Queenslanders sitting there. You know the

768
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: bit I'm asking about, don't you. And these guys are

769
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: probably my age, maybe a little bit younger than me,

770
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: maybe forty six forty seven. And here's these three young

771
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: men around man fit, ripped, smart, crazy, smart, not a

772
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: broken nose between them, so they know how to not

773
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: get hit. Yeah, very very clever. And they get asked

774
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: on camera, so who'd be the best of these two

775
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: that you rather having an orgy? And you watched these

776
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: three guys look at each other like that fucking thing

777
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: went to.

778
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: Air, Yeah, and went viral on socials.

779
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: I was aghast that that went that even happened, yet

780
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: not no one gave two hoots. Here's these young guys

781
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: trying to be as professional as possible, trying to let

782
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: my playing do the talking, let my results speak for themselves.

783
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: And here are you guys like now labeling this on me. Yeah,

784
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I was so sad for them.

785
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: Most it feels like something from a different error.

786
00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: Fuck.

787
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and how I remember I know exactly the clip.

788
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: I remember feeling really uncomfortable because you could see how

789
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 2: uncomfortable the boys were, and so it kind of cut

790
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: because they would have spoken to about nine players, I think.

791
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: So it was like cut into the reactions of the

792
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: three sets of three and there were a couple who

793
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: were quite young who really were squirming in their chair,

794
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: looked like they wanted to get up on lead. Yeah,

795
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: and it's just like, again, it speaks to what I

796
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: know is the fact is this playing group like it

797
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be a part of that stereotype. They're

798
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: not like that, they are the ultimate professionals. They just

799
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: want to do footy like that's it. They don't want

800
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: to be perceived like that at all. So it was

801
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: very interesting.

802
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: Those kinds of things, and they happen all the time.

803
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Knowing what you and I both know, Like at least

804
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: two sets of eyes would have gone across that question

805
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: before it was. There would have been a two cameras

806
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: audio that probably make up people on set going hang

807
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: on guys and edit sweet another edit sweet an ep

808
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the amount of eyeballs yep, that's great. Yeah, that endorsed

809
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: that all the way up the chain. Made me thankful

810
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: we got a long way to go.

811
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: I think that it points to the lack of women

812
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: in leadership, yeah.

813
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: Across the board everywhere. Like everyone hates talking about that,

814
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: but it's true.

815
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: Like the more you have women in positions of leadership

816
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: in any industry, in every single rugby league club, with

817
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: every sport, the better it is for changing culture, because

818
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: that stuff doesn't like it's a fresh set of eyes,

819
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: a different perspective sees that. And look like in the

820
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: scheme of things, I'm sure there would be people who

821
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: sort of hear this and go, oh my gosh, like

822
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: snowflakes man, whatever, But I'm.

823
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Like, no, they can get stuff.

824
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also.

825
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: Like it is important to talk about the semantics, like

826
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: it's really important to get specific about these moments. Ago, Ah,

827
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: that's not it, that's not it, that's not it. We

828
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: want to again, like I was saying, I'm so passionate

829
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: about role modeling these guys in the right way, and

830
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: you have to feed them the right questions and frame

831
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: things in the right way.

832
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: You still have fun with it, jeez.

833
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: I still have heaps of fun with the players and

834
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: muck around with them and all that sort of stuff.

835
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: But there's a way to do it that you know

836
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: who like is just thinks about the young person watching.

837
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: And this leads me to you know, you look at

838
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: the back of any shot. You look at what they

839
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: call it in the game, you call it the kickshot.

840
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: You look at the lays. The director always does two things.

841
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: They do the front shot and then they do the

842
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: back seatings it gets right. You look at the kickshot,

843
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: nineteen times out of twenty, you'll see ten empty seats.

844
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: All right, this is you can be ten meters away

845
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: from a superstar and there's ten people who are not there.

846
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: If you want great players, you want development, you want

847
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: families to go to a game, it's shit like this. Yeah,

848
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: it makes families go, no thanks, we're going to go

849
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: check out a league. We're going to go check out

850
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: the cricket like we're going to like take a family

851
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: to the stadium. It's a lot of money. You've got

852
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: to do everything you can.

853
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: You know what this makes me think of My partner's

854
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: a professional cricketer and he went through some media training

855
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: at the beginning of his season last year that he

856
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: sort of came home and was telling me, and it

857
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: made so much sense to me that like the numbers

858
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: show us that the person who decides what's on television

859
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: at night and most of the time is the mum

860
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: in the household. And this is obviously, you know, sort

861
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: of your nuclear family vibe, but it's the mom who's

862
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: making the decision, and she's the one who's at home

863
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: with the kids at night most of the time and

864
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, choosing the what's on the television. So when

865
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: he was being taught as an athlete to be conscious

866
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: of what you're saying and how you're presenting yourself in

867
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: the media and doing things that are you know, attractive

868
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: to a mum who wants their kids to see that

869
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And I've never forgotten that because it

870
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: makes so much sense to me. And I think, you know,

871
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, sport is entertainment and

872
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: it's if you are speaking to the mum and the

873
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: household or like the family friendly sort of element of it,

874
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: the more you get people to the stadium.

875
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're at the point where Wolf is five now

876
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: and I've had a I've had a very solid concussion.

877
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve, I got hit a skiing accident and I

878
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: had about one hundred words read three days. It was

879
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: really weird. It was like trying to see the current

880
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: front of you if you ever driven fog. Nouns were

881
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: really hard to find. Wow, And I was lucky I

882
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: was wearing a helmet. I wouldn't be dead. But I

883
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: look at Joseph Swaley like trying to teleport the other

884
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: side of Reeswatch's head fully vertically, Like, I don't know

885
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: if I want that for my boy. How do you

886
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: balance recruitment and growing the game and getting five six

887
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: seven year olds to play this game when the leat

888
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: version of it can sometimes be just devastating.

889
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: I think that's the toughest question in the sport at

890
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: the moment from my perspective, because it's the unavoidable. I

891
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: know that, you know that the sport itself is trying

892
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 2: to do as much as it possibly can to mitigate

893
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: what happens after a head knock, to really heavily punish.

894
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: There was a couple of weekends ago like the most

895
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: amount of sin binnings we've ever seen, three in one game.

896
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, But.

897
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: It is interesting, and it's it's difficult because you know

898
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: where's the line, and there's often and I think these

899
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: are fair questions to ask like, Oh, was that really

900
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: that high? Did it really hit his head? Or you know,

901
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: is this really impacting the game? This is but it's

902
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: almost like there's there's a pretty significant part of the

903
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: way that this generation had been taught to tackle and

904
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: whatever that probably has to be weeded out for the

905
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: next generation. That's sort of what it seems like, And

906
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: this is sort of what it looks like they're trying

907
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: to do. I know that they're actually delaying when kids

908
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: start to tackle to again, because like there's quite a

909
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: few young people who have three or what four concussions

910
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: in their junior career before they get to a representative

911
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: or a professional level.

912
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: And I mean they.

913
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Had the same problem in the States with kids playing

914
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 2: their version of football. They're really worried about it because

915
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: of all the CT stuff. Even soccer players have gotten

916
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: it from heading the ball, and it's like, oh, my goodness, Like,

917
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can ever have a version

918
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: of rugby league that doesn't have head injuries but the

919
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: mitigating kind of circumstances. And it feels like there's so

920
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: much tension between the style of play that currently exists,

921
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: the science and whether things can be changed on the fly.

922
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: Now or it has to be through the next level of.

923
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: The modern game is so exciting. Oh yeah, the last

924
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: three or four years of rugby league has just been unbelievable.

925
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: I was watching the what was the game, the West's

926
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: Storm and it was just sixty something. Yeah, crazy, but

927
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: they were playing hard out, hard, heart out, and it

928
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: was two minutes to the siren. I remember watching games

929
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: at two minutes to the siren when I was a kid.

930
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Eleven guys are just walking, They're just so blocked. But

931
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: that was still just sprinting, sprinting, sprinting, sprinting. How fit

932
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: and condition these guys aren't.

933
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, another level. I mean Melbourne Craig Bellamy,

934
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: like you speak about incredible leaders, like he's the kind

935
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: of guy who the culture of the Storm is just

936
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: it's a game, and I think that's it's It's quite

937
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: beautiful to watch that sort of commitment and passionate determination

938
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: till the very end. Like I love it as a

939
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: spectator and a fan as well. I think it's the

940
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: game is at a completely different level. And admittedly, like

941
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: I love the way that that culture and kind of

942
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: standard for the game is coming into the women's game too.

943
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: Because that's what we saw in the first two games

944
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: of Origin.

945
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: Without getting too much into the weeds of it, the

946
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: State of Origin is almost upon us again, and people

947
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: might go but there really is something about so much

948
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: of our country connecting over. This is one thing.

949
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: I feel like I was quite naive to how much

950
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: like there are so many people away from the East

951
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: Coast who go, oh, I'll watch Origin though I've never

952
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: cared about rugby league in my life. But I'm from

953
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: Perth and I've been a Queenslander my whole life. They

954
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: always were Queenslanders because they know it's good for them well,

955
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: but it's also because of that period of time when

956
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: they Bundy won so many right.

957
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: And I say this to you all the times. You

958
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: don't not what it was like.

959
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: You don't like the tough for you reason.

960
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: You know why State of Origin exists? Do you know

961
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: how it started? No poker machines were illegal in Queensland.

962
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: The league's clubs here had money garnered from gambling. They

963
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: could buy all of the Queensland players. So our local

964
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: league sucked because all of our great players they had

965
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: the money to bring them. And then someone said, I'll

966
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: tell you what my ouse Queenslanders are better than you

967
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: guys any day of the week, or let's go in

968
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: eighty state of origin one. So for the first couple

969
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: of years, man, it sucked as a kid, humiliating, as

970
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful aid.

971
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what's really and this is probably a

972
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: terrible thing to admit publicly, but I like again working

973
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: around it, and now I work around all these players

974
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they like truly during origin period they

975
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: are so passionate and any kind of like you know,

976
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: positive chat about whoever is not the state they played for,

977
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: they will shut it down. And they are so serious

978
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: about it. They hate it. Like Milli Elliott, who is

979
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: pregnant at the moment, so she's a you know, ANLW superstar,

980
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: a blues legend. Working with her at the games, she

981
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: genuinely couldn't believe that. I was a little bit like

982
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: for game two, oh, I can't want Queensland to win,

983
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: so we have a decider for the third game.

984
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: She was like, don't tate that money.

985
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: You grew up in New South Wales, this is ridiculous,

986
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, gosh, and like I'm a little

987
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: bit removed from that like die hardness because I think

988
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: my dad's a little bit bit.

989
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: I never got picked.

990
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: For state of origin, and his best mates in the

991
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: game were a lot of Queenslanders. So when he'd retired

992
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: and his mates were still playing, and they were still

993
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: playing for Queensland, and Queensland were on a pretty good run,

994
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: my house was kind of Queenslanders for people who are

995
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: you know, grew up in My mom and dad grew

996
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: up in Mount Dreuit and they were used to say, oh,

997
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: it's outdur it in Queensland, like you know that song

998
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: that they've made up whatever. But so I kind of

999
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: was like grew up going oh yeah, go Pricey, like

1000
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: Stephen price is, you know, one of our closest family friends,

1001
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: as to be like, oh yeah, go for them, don't

1002
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: really care. Then it got to like adolescence and I

1003
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, like I shouldn't be going for

1004
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: Queensland and they've won too many times now and whatever.

1005
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: So I think, like my perspective coming up to it,

1006
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: I don't have that like ooh that everyone else.

1007
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Has, well have you?

1008
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm just you know what, like I just like a good.

1009
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: Game, like with the girls, I'm genuinely meant it. I

1010
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: was like all I care about is that it's a

1011
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: good game. So they delivered on that front.

1012
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm alone in my house is a queen?

1013
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah okay.

1014
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 1: And so one of the incredible things that happened last

1015
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: year is and then you said the Welst camp. They

1016
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: brought all the families up, yeah, up to Katomba where

1017
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: they were in camp. In these there was like four hundred,

1018
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: five hundred people. Yeah, and g came back with all

1019
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: this swag. And I've been at work and I come

1020
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: home and wif you just sleeve is four at the time.

1021
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: And I went in there and that's like a ten

1022
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night, and I go in there to

1023
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: give him a nuzzle the night they used to sleep

1024
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: and sleep for hours. We just want to give him

1025
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: good night.

1026
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Just put him in a blues just despite you.

1027
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 1: I'll pay that, absolutely pay that. I like watching Queensland play.

1028
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: But I also some people they talk about the Biff

1029
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, Like I'm less impressed by that than

1030
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: I am. Just astounding head fuckery of play that you watch,

1031
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: people like Jerome Leui and who knew it was Louis

1032
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: all along. When you look at those first five games,

1033
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: very interesting when you look at him just go bang

1034
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: and see see exactly how things are unfolding and just

1035
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: create something and just bamboos all. Yeah, much much. I'd

1036
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: much rather watch that.

1037
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, that's the highlights reel that we

1038
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: always watch.

1039
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Is in it. It's those moments, Those are the ones

1040
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: that we look at being as close to the game

1041
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: as I am. Now my admiration for that just we've

1042
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: always called it eyes up footy, Like we talk about

1043
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: eyes up footy in like normal life, you know, if

1044
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: you've got to make a decision on the fly, like

1045
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 2: me and my sister will be like, oh, just play

1046
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: some eyes up footy today and we'll figure it out.

1047
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: Like we use that as like normal conversation, not footy related.

1048
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: So what's eyes up footy?

1049
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: So eyes up footy is just like you know, thinking ahead,

1050
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: like and being able to see what's coming and you know,

1051
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: be prepared for stuff because when you see it on

1052
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 2: the field, like a Luai a cleary, they're playing eyes

1053
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: up footy because they can see exactly what you're talking

1054
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: about the kind of defensive switch of your opposition or

1055
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: who's swinging behind who's like prepared and how are you

1056
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: going to break through the gaps. So it's you know,

1057
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: relevant into everyday life. Rugby league is just in every

1058
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: element of my life.

1059
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: If someone's never watched State of Origin before, why why

1060
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: should they engage these three games? What is it they're

1061
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: going to see?

1062
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: It's the absolute best example of what rugby league is

1063
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: in terms of talent. It always gives you something you

1064
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: don't expect. This year, their Queens end up firmly being

1065
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: placed in the underdog status because there's quite a few

1066
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: of their key players who are injured and they don't

1067
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: look as as sort of powerful as what they expected

1068
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: news so as well as a dangerous that's where they're

1069
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: most dangerous, and that is frightening.

1070
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 3: It's frightening.

1071
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: But it's also great because I think the last time

1072
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: we said, oh, this is the worst Maron's team in

1073
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: history and we won the series, it was like a

1074
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: COVID year and they ended up winning with like a

1075
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: whole bunch of no names in quotation marks. So that's

1076
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: a really exciting storyline. I think it's a really good

1077
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: way if you are someone who's never engaged with it,

1078
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: you don't have a team to follow, you'll find a

1079
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: favorite player, you will absolutely find a favorite player, like

1080
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: I want to support that guy. There you go. You've

1081
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Speaker 2: got a team now, and hopefully that team has a

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Speaker 2: women's site so then you can really just be a

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Speaker 2: part of the whole rugby league sphere. But Origin is

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Speaker 2: truly there's not another rivalry like that in domestic Australian sport.

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Speaker 2: There just isn't. Like you know, Adelaide, I was at

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Speaker 2: the game, you were there, I was there. It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: But still Origin.

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Speaker 2: Three of those you only get two showdowns a year, right,

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Speaker 2: and they're not close together. This is like just a

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Speaker 2: period of time where this is, you know, focusing on it,

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Speaker 2: you it is. The culture around it is unreal. And

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Speaker 2: I mean if you can get to a game, highly

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Speaker 2: recommend or just throw an Origin party on a.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday night, Like why not do it?

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. It's the greatest game of all.

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Speaker 1: Does rugby league have the power to hear Australia.

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Speaker 2: I think it does. I think it does. I think

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Speaker 2: people think I'm a naive, biased moron, but I truly

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Speaker 2: think it does because I have seen the best in

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Speaker 2: it and I know some incredible people who are a

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Speaker 2: part of it, and I just think there's a few

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Speaker 2: decisions that we have to basehead on and be better.

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Speaker 2: But the stories and the individuals and the role models

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Speaker 2: that we have in there that we just need to

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Speaker 2: be better at spotlighting can truly help bring us together

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Speaker 2: and be a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming, Marley, Thank you, And that was Marley Silver.

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Speaker 1: She is quite special. If you want to watch the documentary,

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Speaker 1: which I really recommend, it's called Skin in the Game.

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Speaker 1: It's on SBS on demand here in Australia. The podcast

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Speaker 1: Marley and Me, you'll find that where you've found this one,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to go and listen to the

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Speaker 1: other one that she made with Niko Heinz, which is

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Speaker 1: really quite good. When we grow up his name is.

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Speaker 1: I'll put links in the show notes. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks for being a part of it. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the footy. I hope you maybe watch the football in

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Speaker 1: a way with a different lens now, rather than looking

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Speaker 1: at it as like buffy blokes dashing into each other

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Speaker 1: with their heads. Maybe, as Marley said, it's a microcosm

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Speaker 1: of our community and how we might be able to

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Speaker 1: find ways to be together through sport and spectacular tries.

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Speaker 1: Pretty fun. My starn asked me why do they call

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Speaker 1: it the try? The other day, I said, well, he

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Speaker 1: didn't really try. He did it, didn't he. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: confused too, Buddy, I don't know. I don't make the rules.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. See you on Monday.