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Speaker 1: the mouse with the newspaper, Sorry about that. The Whaler Steelworks, which,

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Speaker 1: asking questions in State Parliament. Frank Pangalo, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning mate, Good morning to your listeners. And

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Speaker 2: Well it's not, and it's actually gotten worse now they're

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Speaker 2: My sources tell me that the blast furnace is virtually

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Speaker 2: Are they going there to essentially provide a guarantee that

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Speaker 1: You ask five questions of the Industrial Relations Minister, and you,

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Speaker 2: Well exactly nothing, a history lesson and a big cheer

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Speaker 1: When's the crunch for this? Frank, are we talking about months, weeks, years?

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Speaker 1: That's right, exactly, exactly right, Hey, Frank, well i've got you.

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Speaker 1: But it's in parliament, the place where you go to

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Speaker 2: Well you can, you can get up and do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were disrupted by fireworks the other night. Apparently

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Speaker 2: lost academics at Adelaide University, Matthew, including one world renowned

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Speaker 1: I didn't look for the protest group. But through that

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Speaker 1: going to see them. The bar was pumping over in

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Speaker 1: under the archers there. I had no idea where they were,

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Speaker 1: frank because I walked straight through. I was going to

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Speaker 1: of this is about six pm. Did not see a

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Speaker 2: Ah well, look, these are students looking for a cause.

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Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't get to the point that we've

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Speaker 2: got in Melbourne today where students have overtaken a building

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Speaker 2: there that are preventing other students from studying. Now that

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Speaker 2: happen and that university need to bring in the police

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Speaker 2: and get rid of it now. We don't want to

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Speaker 2: see that escalate here. But you want to see Peter

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Speaker 2: Hoy take some action here now. Ironically, he was vice

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Speaker 2: chancellor at the Queensland University back in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 2: they suspended a student for two years all because he

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Speaker 2: stayed the protest against the Chinese government for what was

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Speaker 2: happening in Hong Kong. Double standards, I think.

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Speaker 1: All right, Frank Pangello, thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: No worries. Matthew, thank you very much