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Speaker 4: Season seventeen. How good has this been? And I am

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Speaker 4: so pumped today. A big shout out firstly to everybody

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Speaker 5: We are so pumped for this season.

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Speaker 4: Our episodes have been amazing, our guests a second to none,

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Speaker 4: and today we have an international guest. Big shout out

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Speaker 4: to Sideways Serve for your constant support. Pod Shape always

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Speaker 4: love his story and I know that you're going to too.

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Speaker 4: He's an award winning author, but before he became that,

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Speaker 4: he has one powerful story and that cost him twelve

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Speaker 5: Better MAYHFF. Welcome to the clip. Brother, this is truly

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Speaker 5: an honor.

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Speaker 1: I'm hono to be here, So thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, you are an award winning author. You're

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Speaker 4: doing amazing things out here in community today. Your life

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Speaker 6: Absolutely so, nickname is Chappie from a chapsick addiction. And

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Speaker 6: But I'm going to tell you, guys, how what led

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Speaker 5: And I get it.

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Speaker 1: And they don't give a shit.

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Speaker 6: About you, like when you're like a you know, Shakoh

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Speaker 5: Off an Americans.

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Speaker 4: So think where it is, which is something you guys

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Speaker 1: I was bumping cassette tapes ten years ago. We want

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Speaker 1: now I got out.

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Speaker 6: You could have CDs on three and on four, three

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. You got a fight to listen around music.

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one hundred percent?

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Speaker 4: Uh all right, well, let's I'm looking forward to getting

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of pologics.

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Speaker 6: That's funny now too, like me myself, like my wife's black.

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Speaker 6: Then my body the same court event did this thing

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Speaker 4: Twelve years, you know, going back here ten years is

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Speaker 5: Brother, what was the crime and how did it all happen?

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Speaker 6: And so that's what's funny, coming full circle and the

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Speaker 6: twelve years in prison for that. My buddies has stolen

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Speaker 6: So I think I'm this tough ass kid. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I ain't saying shit. You know, I was the only

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Speaker 6: gave me twelve years in prison for a non dangerous

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Speaker 4: It fathoms me I've had whom is a good mate

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Speaker 5: Sep Ferente, who you know was on here? Who did

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Speaker 4: Massive amount of years for a non volume crime. You know,

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Speaker 4: it truly blew me away. Yes, I get it, it

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Speaker 4: he's doing over twenty years like it was just crazy.

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Speaker 5: His story just blew me to pieces. And here we are.

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Speaker 6: Real quick, let me and just just to put something

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Speaker 6: Marvin Haynes if you don't know who Marvin Hanses has

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Speaker 6: got looking up. But this is what's been like racking

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Speaker 6: hard because you can and you might. You probably haven't

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Speaker 6: thought about it this way, but think about this, you know,

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Speaker 6: when you're even gang banging or like I consider myself,

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Speaker 6: no, no it was gang banging, but you know, run on

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Speaker 5: Right and possi you know, you know the rules.

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Speaker 6: Imagine if you're just a sixteen year old kid, you

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Speaker 6: I'm like so dude, some people have it so much

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Speaker 6: Like I have the worst bogley in Arizona's history for

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Speaker 1: That's how life is.

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Speaker 6: Pros Like people, for anybody that thinks they got it bad,

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Speaker 6: I'm working through this myself right now, man, because I

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Speaker 4: And like.

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Speaker 6: My wife's like an All American volleyball player, like grew

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Speaker 1: It is what it is, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: That's it. I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I told myself.

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Speaker 5: I'm winning. Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 6: And I've been like going to be honest, bro, I've

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm like, look at your life, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I'm a victim for myself and I've been That's why

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Speaker 4: and grateful brother, because look, you are making some massive

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00:17:47,961 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 4: waves and you're doing so many good things, and your

438
00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,600
Speaker 4: story is one fucked up story.

439
00:17:52,801 --> 00:17:55,521
Speaker 5: Like I know you speak about Marvin and listen.

440
00:17:55,681 --> 00:17:57,600
Speaker 4: I don't know whether we can hook Marvin up and

441
00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,001
Speaker 4: maybe give him a platform here to share his story.

442
00:18:00,041 --> 00:18:01,641
Speaker 4: But if you know of any way that we can

443
00:18:01,681 --> 00:18:04,680
Speaker 4: network with, sure, please reach out and let's do that,

444
00:18:04,721 --> 00:18:06,920
Speaker 4: because I think we have enough network over in the

445
00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:12,521
Speaker 4: States now after having some wonderful guests on the clink. Absolutely,

446
00:18:12,521 --> 00:18:15,080
Speaker 4: you know we could give him a place to voice

447
00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,200
Speaker 4: when he's ready. Obviously, you know, going back into what

448
00:18:18,321 --> 00:18:24,001
Speaker 4: you said, especially you know that whole self awareness. I

449
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 4: know with myself, my last stretch was six and you know,

450
00:18:29,001 --> 00:18:33,880
Speaker 4: in total, it's been fourteen years. It's it's very hard

451
00:18:33,921 --> 00:18:35,561
Speaker 4: to come home and we've had this. I've had this

452
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,801
Speaker 4: conversation several times with guests before. It took me almost

453
00:18:39,801 --> 00:18:42,361
Speaker 4: a year even just to want to come out of

454
00:18:42,441 --> 00:18:45,001
Speaker 4: my bedroom. I'd come home from wherever and I would

455
00:18:45,001 --> 00:18:47,160
Speaker 4: just go straight into my bedroom, put the TV on

456
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,801
Speaker 4: and my bed. But it was like a cell. But

457
00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,360
Speaker 4: I was safe, I was comfortable, and that was my space.

458
00:18:52,801 --> 00:18:54,480
Speaker 4: My wife and my children be like, Dad, you're going

459
00:18:54,521 --> 00:18:55,281
Speaker 4: to come out for dinner.

460
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,921
Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, I'll be.

461
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,121
Speaker 4: Out and ment or maybe I might just eating here,

462
00:18:59,281 --> 00:19:01,641
Speaker 4: or you know, it got to the point where nobody

463
00:19:01,721 --> 00:19:06,281
Speaker 4: could truly understand how traw aumatized and it is. It's

464
00:19:06,281 --> 00:19:11,761
Speaker 4: traumatic because we go into a system. And once again

465
00:19:11,801 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 4: for Marvin, that's not somebody who's lived that life. You

466
00:19:15,721 --> 00:19:17,441
Speaker 4: and I live that life. You and I just lived

467
00:19:17,481 --> 00:19:20,241
Speaker 4: that street life. You know, like you talk about a stripper. Yeah, okay,

468
00:19:20,481 --> 00:19:23,561
Speaker 4: with a stripper, she's probably using your user and she's

469
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,360
Speaker 4: providing coin.

470
00:19:24,441 --> 00:19:27,281
Speaker 5: You're getting coin. It's a team effort. Whatever. There's highs

471
00:19:27,281 --> 00:19:30,400
Speaker 5: as lowers. That's why you're together because you both have

472
00:19:30,521 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 5: the similar ways of thinking and lifestyle. It's beneficial for you, guys,

473
00:19:35,561 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 5: get to be together.

474
00:19:37,281 --> 00:19:37,441
Speaker 4: Now.

475
00:19:37,521 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 5: Then you have your beautiful wife and you know, like I.

476
00:19:41,921 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 4: Have twenty one years with my children's mum, same lady,

477
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,801
Speaker 4: you know, very straight, very you know down the line.

478
00:19:49,441 --> 00:19:53,041
Speaker 4: Never brought her into that world and never brought that world.

479
00:19:52,801 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 5: Into my other when the couples keep the fucking door

480
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,721
Speaker 5: in obviously, but you know what I mean, Like, it's

481
00:19:57,721 --> 00:20:01,281
Speaker 5: not something that we here he goes chappy chapping, gotcha,

482
00:20:03,721 --> 00:20:10,641
Speaker 5: I see the addictions. Real, that's your sober stick chick.

483
00:20:10,681 --> 00:20:13,521
Speaker 5: You should start selling them, brother, maybe you should start

484
00:20:13,721 --> 00:20:14,401
Speaker 5: producing them.

485
00:20:15,201 --> 00:20:15,761
Speaker 1: I want to.

486
00:20:16,481 --> 00:20:19,561
Speaker 4: Oh wow, But I mean my point being, you know,

487
00:20:19,681 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 4: like we adapt, it's in us to adapt. So when

488
00:20:23,681 --> 00:20:27,561
Speaker 4: you're confronted with that, you're locked up, you're gone through reception,

489
00:20:28,281 --> 00:20:29,401
Speaker 4: you're sitting in cells.

490
00:20:29,481 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 5: You know, you feeling that energy, that negativity, just that

491
00:20:33,201 --> 00:20:35,561
Speaker 5: heaviness of everybody who's just in limbo.

492
00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,281
Speaker 4: Most haven't been sentenced some heavy shit. There might be

493
00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:41,721
Speaker 4: beef that fucking comes in off the street. You don't

494
00:20:41,721 --> 00:20:42,201
Speaker 4: know who you're.

495
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 5: Going to bump me in that small little cell of

496
00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 5: you know, twenty thirty blokes waiting to get processed. You're

497
00:20:48,481 --> 00:20:49,201
Speaker 5: a young man.

498
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you've you know, you've been around and like

499
00:20:54,241 --> 00:20:57,321
Speaker 4: you said, you know you've been in an environment. Now

500
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,201
Speaker 4: you've been sentenced to twelve years. You're not the same

501
00:21:02,281 --> 00:21:05,761
Speaker 4: man that you were prior to that. Your whole mindset

502
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 4: has to shift. I remember sitting on remand for you know,

503
00:21:09,201 --> 00:21:11,041
Speaker 4: the best part of twelve months. I played guilty to

504
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,041
Speaker 4: commercial importation. I was looking at double figures. But because

505
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,041
Speaker 4: I took her an instant guilty plea, I didn't bring

506
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,041
Speaker 4: anybody else in there.

507
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,561
Speaker 5: There was no case. It was just I was caught

508
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,801
Speaker 5: in the controlled delivery. That was it.

509
00:21:23,921 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 4: You got me done. End the story put my hand up,

510
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 4: cut my time. So you know, six years was my

511
00:21:30,041 --> 00:21:32,281
Speaker 4: sentence for that, because you get a twenty five percent

512
00:21:32,321 --> 00:21:34,761
Speaker 4: reduction for an early guilty please, so you're not taking

513
00:21:34,801 --> 00:21:35,521
Speaker 4: the court's timer.

514
00:21:36,241 --> 00:21:39,241
Speaker 5: Oh nice, that was one thing.

515
00:21:39,321 --> 00:21:43,321
Speaker 4: But then my wife was pregnant, so for me, she

516
00:21:43,481 --> 00:21:44,561
Speaker 4: was four months pregnant.

517
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,321
Speaker 5: I'm sentenced and I'm going, fuck, that's six years, all right? Cool?

518
00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 5: You know, like I heard her in the background in

519
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 5: the in the in the courts go no, and I

520
00:21:55,281 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 5: turned it. I looked from the box and I'm like,

521
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:57,921
Speaker 5: it's all good.

522
00:21:57,961 --> 00:22:00,801
Speaker 4: It's all good, because in my head I was ready

523
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,441
Speaker 4: for a double figure, you know what I mean. And

524
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,041
Speaker 4: the cop to six was like, whoa, not that I'm saying,

525
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,801
Speaker 4: that's a good thing.

526
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 5: It's not being tough.

527
00:22:08,761 --> 00:22:12,241
Speaker 4: That was just like mentally, which you understand and many

528
00:22:12,281 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 4: people who are listening today will get that. That's how

529
00:22:15,201 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 4: you have to have your mind for someone like Marvel

530
00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:20,281
Speaker 4: or anybody else out there that's only going to start

531
00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 4: to go through this process. It's not one process. You

532
00:22:23,801 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 4: want to involve yourself. You do not want to go

533
00:22:25,961 --> 00:22:30,241
Speaker 4: down these roads. Talk to us about you and what

534
00:22:30,441 --> 00:22:33,721
Speaker 4: it all was like, because man, I know that we've

535
00:22:33,761 --> 00:22:38,281
Speaker 4: got some pretty hard sort of jails here in Australia,

536
00:22:38,321 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 4: and the way our system is is quite full on.

537
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,321
Speaker 5: I don't feel that our gang units or anything like

538
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 5: yours there.

539
00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:47,761
Speaker 4: We do have, you know, a lot of hard men,

540
00:22:48,041 --> 00:22:50,241
Speaker 4: and there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes.

541
00:22:50,761 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 4: But I feel that the America's always held that top

542
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 4: bar and it's just one place you don't fuck with.

543
00:22:56,561 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 4: I would never want to do a day, let alone

544
00:22:58,721 --> 00:22:59,921
Speaker 4: twelve years in the States.

545
00:23:00,761 --> 00:23:03,561
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the consult to California, Amazon, if you asked me,

546
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 6: protext are the worst, pretty and you know, the hardest,

547
00:23:05,961 --> 00:23:08,681
Speaker 6: and the California even like at least Texas and California

548
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 6: programming Arizona to shift for you. If you're on the

549
00:23:10,921 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 6: higher outs, you're just locker and you're never getting out

550
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 6: of there. So and that like my mindset was, and

551
00:23:15,281 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 6: that's what it was, the exact opposite of yours, you know,

552
00:23:17,321 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 6: like I was. I was expecting to get four and

553
00:23:20,201 --> 00:23:23,001
Speaker 6: a half six My lawyer's home was the top sized kid.

554
00:23:23,041 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 6: I remember telling Verbania, you fucking promise me, I can't

555
00:23:26,201 --> 00:23:27,721
Speaker 6: get six years in prisons, No way I can do

556
00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 6: six years in prison, you know. Yeah, And they told

557
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 6: me I was going to get to four and a

558
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,481
Speaker 6: half and I was encountering jail like twenty months already,

559
00:23:33,521 --> 00:23:34,841
Speaker 6: so I had like almost two years back home.

560
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm out in a year hopefully, you know.

561
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 4: And so Pete just sorry, I just and Ie if

562
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 4: you could just take his just through that little explanation,

563
00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:44,561
Speaker 4: because the system is so different there.

564
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 6: Yes, state time is just anything if you each state

565
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 6: has their own prisons and stuff. Federal time is anything

566
00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 6: like banks involved, You're across state lines, you know, so

567
00:23:54,721 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 6: it's got to be multiple states involved or like with

568
00:23:56,921 --> 00:24:00,121
Speaker 6: banks like our robbery banks. I know for some reason

569
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,801
Speaker 6: because I think it's a federal reserve, but those are

570
00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 6: federal crimes.

571
00:24:03,321 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm set front. He like you said, since it was

572
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,961
Speaker 1: a multiple state.

573
00:24:05,801 --> 00:24:10,001
Speaker 6: Lines of a Fed crimes and it was I wanted yep, absolutely,

574
00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 6: but so and then if not, if you're just no

575
00:24:12,001 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 6: matter how much drugs or how much whatever you're doing

576
00:24:14,281 --> 00:24:16,641
Speaker 6: in Arizona, it's it's just Arizona stuff. You're out there

577
00:24:16,681 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 6: in Arizona. The Feds are better, if you ask me,

578
00:24:19,681 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 6: like wait, way way better, way more freedom. They have

579
00:24:22,721 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 6: way more money because it's backed by the federal government

580
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,761
Speaker 6: instead of the brocast states. So like they did I

581
00:24:26,761 --> 00:24:28,761
Speaker 6: think steak once a month there you hear all kinds

582
00:24:28,761 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 6: of shit, man, but they get to wear like nice

583
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,281
Speaker 6: khakis and shit, Like, dude, we wear the worst straight

584
00:24:33,321 --> 00:24:34,241
Speaker 6: orange nothing else.

585
00:24:34,281 --> 00:24:35,241
Speaker 1: You get three outfits.

586
00:24:35,241 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 6: You don't three showers a week where I'm from, Like,

587
00:24:38,001 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 6: it's nothing like that in the Fed fed You're getting showers,

588
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 6: you get nice sweatpants, all that shit, you know. And

589
00:24:42,241 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 6: then they, like I said, each complex has like each

590
00:24:45,481 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 6: yards are known for being the gangster gradiator school yards,

591
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,561
Speaker 6: you know, and each complex has them, like even the

592
00:24:49,801 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 6: you know, central office, which is like the people that

593
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 6: are in charge of where you go and stuff, and

594
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,041
Speaker 6: cops know, you know, they send the gangsters to these yards,

595
00:24:57,041 --> 00:24:58,561
Speaker 6: you know, and they kind of just like let the

596
00:24:58,561 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 6: cops have at it with them.

597
00:24:59,561 --> 00:25:01,561
Speaker 1: And those are like and that's right the time, and

598
00:25:01,681 --> 00:25:02,241
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy.

599
00:25:02,321 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 6: I hate it at first, I'm claustrophobic, and that at

600
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 6: the end of my send, I loved it because like

601
00:25:06,321 --> 00:25:08,001
Speaker 6: I would hate when they'd lock the yard on with

602
00:25:08,001 --> 00:25:09,801
Speaker 6: some petty as shit, you know, Like, but when you're

603
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,441
Speaker 6: on those gangs, ears grow like I've seen a stabbing

604
00:25:12,561 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 6: and like the open yard up. Still you'll still got

605
00:25:14,281 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 6: a chow in the afternoon time. If there's a stabbing

606
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 6: in the morning, you know, it all depends. Like they

607
00:25:17,761 --> 00:25:20,161
Speaker 6: didn't like staff the stalls or staff stabbings, they would

608
00:25:20,201 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 6: fuck with you on that. But like if it was

609
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,761
Speaker 6: just one like between the same race and shit like that,

610
00:25:25,241 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 6: get the weapon off the yard and olden year old

611
00:25:26,761 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 6: right back up.

612
00:25:28,281 --> 00:25:29,441
Speaker 5: So no lockdowns.

613
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,001
Speaker 6: Yeah, But then at other times, if there's like a

614
00:25:32,001 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 6: bunch of stabbings where it's like in a race stabbings,

615
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,761
Speaker 6: like a black dude stabbing away, do something like that, dude,

616
00:25:36,761 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 6: you could be.

617
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,561
Speaker 1: Locked down for fucking months. Yeah, wow, literally months.

618
00:25:41,961 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 4: How did you find it being And don't take offense

619
00:25:45,441 --> 00:25:48,241
Speaker 4: to this, but you were just a skinny white boy going.

620
00:25:48,041 --> 00:25:50,241
Speaker 1: In lest I was one hundred and forty four pounds.

621
00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 4: Big man's I've seen a picture of you and I

622
00:25:52,201 --> 00:25:54,961
Speaker 4: was just like, whoa. But then I've also seen, you know,

623
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 4: the pictures of you in the growth of the years,

624
00:25:57,441 --> 00:26:00,041
Speaker 4: and obviously your adaptation and your training and so on

625
00:26:00,201 --> 00:26:05,721
Speaker 4: like that. You come in and tell tell our listeners

626
00:26:05,921 --> 00:26:08,761
Speaker 4: what it was and how you had to go about

627
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 4: stamping your naming there just to basically.

628
00:26:12,041 --> 00:26:14,281
Speaker 5: Know that you know, you were gonna Yeah.

629
00:26:14,441 --> 00:26:16,481
Speaker 6: So that's the thing, because like I was not only

630
00:26:16,481 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 6: like was I one hundred and forty four pounds, like

631
00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 6: the youngest kid, I'm fresh, you know, eighteen.

632
00:26:19,961 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: I think I was nineteen by the time I.

633
00:26:21,201 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 6: Hit the yard, and I used to model I was

634
00:26:23,481 --> 00:26:26,121
Speaker 6: in a movie like long blonde hair, like straight, as

635
00:26:26,201 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 6: pretty as it gets, you know, and like I was

636
00:26:28,481 --> 00:26:30,241
Speaker 6: on the like I was running the streets, but like

637
00:26:30,281 --> 00:26:31,521
Speaker 6: I was not a gang member, you know. So like

638
00:26:31,521 --> 00:26:33,041
Speaker 6: a lot of the game gamers grow up around dudes

639
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,561
Speaker 6: that been to the joint stuff, Like I had never

640
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,961
Speaker 6: met some one that had been in prison before I

641
00:26:36,001 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 6: went to so I was still a little naive to

642
00:26:37,521 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 6: that stuff, you know. And also I'm going off as

643
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,321
Speaker 6: like you know what you're here in the county jail

644
00:26:41,321 --> 00:26:42,561
Speaker 6: and what you see on that ship, you know, And

645
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,321
Speaker 6: all I know is but here's one thing I used

646
00:26:44,321 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 6: to box luckily, and I'm just going in there with

647
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,961
Speaker 6: the mindset like fuck. My mindset was literally like I'm

648
00:26:49,961 --> 00:26:51,921
Speaker 6: gonna make God pay forgive me these twelve fucking years,

649
00:26:51,921 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 6: Like just fucking watch what I did. That was literally

650
00:26:53,681 --> 00:26:54,761
Speaker 6: my mindset, and.

651
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of had to have that mindset

652
00:26:56,761 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: in there, you know.

653
00:26:57,241 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 6: And I remember I could just you know, I'm really

654
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,521
Speaker 6: really good at vibes and just catching vibes if people

655
00:27:03,521 --> 00:27:05,321
Speaker 6: and reading, you know, like I'll look two people face

656
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 6: and I could tell who's line. I mean, who's not

657
00:27:06,801 --> 00:27:08,441
Speaker 6: for the most part, you know, I feel like that's

658
00:27:08,441 --> 00:27:12,281
Speaker 6: one of my good character traits. And I remember hitting

659
00:27:12,281 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 6: the yard and I'm and I could just tell, like

660
00:27:15,561 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 6: they did not fuck with me, and like they just

661
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,241
Speaker 6: come to find nothing. I'm thinking I was gay because

662
00:27:20,281 --> 00:27:22,761
Speaker 6: I was such a little pretty boy. But the dude,

663
00:27:22,921 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 6: the dude that was running my building, you know, he

664
00:27:24,481 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 6: was like the size I was when I got out,

665
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 6: almost you know, two hundred and thirty two hundred and

666
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,201
Speaker 6: forty pounds something. I was too sixty when I got out,

667
00:27:29,201 --> 00:27:32,321
Speaker 6: but he was just huge, you know, twice my size, and.

668
00:27:32,281 --> 00:27:32,961
Speaker 1: He did not like me.

669
00:27:33,001 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 6: We'd live right next to each other and he would

670
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 6: like kind of throw the little jabs at me. Know,

671
00:27:35,721 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: so I was like, I'm going to make an example

672
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,961
Speaker 6: of this dude, you know, And we're playing cards and

673
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:39,361
Speaker 6: so on.

674
00:27:39,281 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: In a prison yard two in Arizona.

675
00:27:40,441 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 6: It's like, say there's eight buildings on the yard, you'll

676
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 6: have the there's usually there's like there will be a

677
00:27:45,241 --> 00:27:46,801
Speaker 6: north yard in the south yard, and you'll have one

678
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 6: dude that's got the key to the entire spot.

679
00:27:49,481 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: And then you'll have a lot of times if if

680
00:27:51,441 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: I had it like that, I'd have a dude. You

681
00:27:52,721 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: have a dudeh running each side of the yard for you,

682
00:27:54,521 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: you know.

683
00:27:54,721 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 6: But any decisions you they come through you because there's

684
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 6: so much stranger thrown.

685
00:27:57,801 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 5: In the yards Austin.

686
00:27:59,241 --> 00:27:59,481
Speaker 4: You know.

687
00:27:59,681 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 6: Oh, sometimes you go out to two or two hour

688
00:28:01,321 --> 00:28:02,481
Speaker 6: wreck and you only get three RECs a week, and

689
00:28:02,481 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 6: you don't even get to work out because you have to.

690
00:28:03,681 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: Talk politics the entire time, you know, and.

691
00:28:05,561 --> 00:28:07,521
Speaker 6: You have a line of races waiting to fucking talk

692
00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:10,321
Speaker 6: to you, you know, and oh, yeah.

693
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,521
Speaker 1: That was the worst part about it.

694
00:28:11,521 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 6: But then so they'll have like a north and south yard,

695
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,561
Speaker 6: and then each building will have someone that runs each building,

696
00:28:16,801 --> 00:28:18,721
Speaker 6: and then on top of that, then each building person

697
00:28:18,761 --> 00:28:21,561
Speaker 6: will appoint each different run, so a person that runs

698
00:28:21,561 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 6: each run, and everything runs down the chain of command,

699
00:28:23,481 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 6: you know, and you want the guys running the buildings

700
00:28:25,761 --> 00:28:27,761
Speaker 6: to handle the building stuff. If it's something bigger, obviously

701
00:28:27,761 --> 00:28:29,801
Speaker 6: it has to come out to the yard. But so yeah,

702
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,241
Speaker 6: a lot of the shit and that's why run in

703
00:28:31,281 --> 00:28:34,401
Speaker 6: those yards kind of sucks because it's his drama all

704
00:28:34,481 --> 00:28:35,001
Speaker 6: day long.

705
00:28:35,441 --> 00:28:37,721
Speaker 5: But how many men, how many men Peter are each

706
00:28:37,801 --> 00:28:40,401
Speaker 5: in each and here in Australia we call them wings.

707
00:28:40,681 --> 00:28:44,441
Speaker 5: So is that what you're referring to as a building

708
00:28:44,561 --> 00:28:45,121
Speaker 5: or Yeah?

709
00:28:45,161 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Pretty much like on a four yard where I did

710
00:28:46,801 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: most of my time, there's.

711
00:28:48,081 --> 00:28:52,521
Speaker 6: Fifty twenty five sales top bottom and then.

712
00:28:52,401 --> 00:28:56,801
Speaker 1: ABC and D pods, so four hundred I think per building, and.

713
00:28:56,721 --> 00:28:58,801
Speaker 6: Each one split in half, so A pod only sees

714
00:28:58,841 --> 00:29:00,561
Speaker 6: B pods, seapot only sees D pod and.

715
00:29:00,561 --> 00:29:03,321
Speaker 1: You never see each other. Yeah, And it's like control movements.

716
00:29:03,321 --> 00:29:04,801
Speaker 6: So when you go to childs, you all walk in

717
00:29:04,841 --> 00:29:07,481
Speaker 6: one group with Charlie Pok walks itself and then when

718
00:29:07,521 --> 00:29:09,281
Speaker 6: dog Pob gets out, the nick come out of the chowhole.

719
00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:13,481
Speaker 6: And that's how four yeads are ran. M wow, we're

720
00:29:13,521 --> 00:29:15,481
Speaker 6: going to This is how the whole prison career starts.

721
00:29:15,481 --> 00:29:18,081
Speaker 6: That's all I was gonna tell you. So I end

722
00:29:18,161 --> 00:29:21,641
Speaker 6: up we're playing cards in his house and I tell

723
00:29:21,721 --> 00:29:23,721
Speaker 6: him after I tell my little bunky right there because

724
00:29:23,721 --> 00:29:25,081
Speaker 6: he said some of him on his playing cards in

725
00:29:25,081 --> 00:29:26,521
Speaker 6: his house and there's nowhere else to go, you know.

726
00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:28,121
Speaker 6: So it's like, whatever, you're not going to do that.

727
00:29:28,161 --> 00:29:29,681
Speaker 6: So I was like, this is where I'm gonna make

728
00:29:29,681 --> 00:29:31,121
Speaker 6: it a point, like making a mission. This is I

729
00:29:31,161 --> 00:29:32,681
Speaker 6: kind of like gave myself a little it's a little

730
00:29:32,681 --> 00:29:34,201
Speaker 6: heart check for them, just to show them like I'm

731
00:29:34,241 --> 00:29:36,761
Speaker 6: not like, do you know you're gonna respect me whether

732
00:29:36,761 --> 00:29:38,521
Speaker 6: I'm one hundred and forty four pounds of long blonde

733
00:29:38,521 --> 00:29:40,921
Speaker 6: hair or not, you know. And he tells us after

734
00:29:41,081 --> 00:29:42,801
Speaker 6: count that we're not allowed to play cards in his house,

735
00:29:42,801 --> 00:29:45,081
Speaker 6: and I said we are, and he says, and you

736
00:29:45,081 --> 00:29:46,721
Speaker 6: know it's crazy. He's the one that ran the rules

737
00:29:46,721 --> 00:29:48,881
Speaker 6: down to me when I got there. So he tells me,

738
00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 6: he's like, if you even think you're going to get

739
00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:53,041
Speaker 6: into with anybody, you take off on him. He's like,

740
00:29:53,081 --> 00:29:55,001
Speaker 6: there's no sucker punches in prison. He's like, you know

741
00:29:55,041 --> 00:29:55,961
Speaker 6: why they called a sucker punch?

742
00:29:56,081 --> 00:29:58,081
Speaker 5: So you heard this, Yeah, it's like a dog dog

743
00:29:58,201 --> 00:29:59,081
Speaker 5: shot like stuff.

744
00:29:59,121 --> 00:30:00,481
Speaker 1: No, do you know why they called a sucker punch?

745
00:30:00,521 --> 00:30:02,481
Speaker 6: So no, this is what he tells me when I

746
00:30:02,481 --> 00:30:04,521
Speaker 6: first hit the yard, He's like, because you're the stucker if.

747
00:30:04,401 --> 00:30:06,041
Speaker 1: You get punched. So he's like, if you someone's get

748
00:30:06,081 --> 00:30:07,601
Speaker 1: into it, you just fucking take off on him.

749
00:30:07,921 --> 00:30:10,041
Speaker 6: So it's all right cool, So I use that against him,

750
00:30:10,121 --> 00:30:11,601
Speaker 6: like when he's like, run his mountain, we're not going

751
00:30:11,641 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 6: to play cards. And then he literally tells you, literally, young,

752
00:30:13,641 --> 00:30:15,681
Speaker 6: punch with something of these, respect your elders and then

753
00:30:15,721 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 6: goes to take the chew out of his mouth to

754
00:30:17,201 --> 00:30:19,921
Speaker 6: turn around. I'm on top of him in four seconds

755
00:30:19,961 --> 00:30:21,761
Speaker 6: and just beat the Brakes office dude, right.

756
00:30:21,801 --> 00:30:22,761
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

757
00:30:22,801 --> 00:30:24,081
Speaker 1: And then I go from like I told you, I

758
00:30:24,121 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: can tell no one in the yard wanted to talk

759
00:30:25,321 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: to you.

760
00:30:25,481 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 6: You're just like you go from like even in school,

761
00:30:27,441 --> 00:30:29,041
Speaker 6: I was popular knowing I'm on the yard. Now I'm

762
00:30:29,041 --> 00:30:30,881
Speaker 6: like a full on nobody, and I could just tell,

763
00:30:30,921 --> 00:30:31,921
Speaker 6: and I was like, this is going to be a

764
00:30:31,961 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 6: lonely ass twelve years, you know.

765
00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:34,801
Speaker 1: And then the second I beat this.

766
00:30:34,801 --> 00:30:36,801
Speaker 6: Dude up, and then I got the chower and now

767
00:30:36,801 --> 00:30:38,921
Speaker 6: there's like the OG's waiting at the building for me

768
00:30:39,321 --> 00:30:41,361
Speaker 6: to now meet me and say, hey, there's a little

769
00:30:41,401 --> 00:30:43,321
Speaker 6: kid here doing twelve years. You know, they just beat

770
00:30:43,361 --> 00:30:45,921
Speaker 6: the brakes off the dude running the building. Some dude

771
00:30:45,921 --> 00:30:47,721
Speaker 6: will probably go introduce themself to this guy, nfair of

772
00:30:47,761 --> 00:30:50,081
Speaker 6: what his plan is here, you know, And so then

773
00:30:50,121 --> 00:30:50,641
Speaker 6: they come out there.

774
00:30:50,641 --> 00:30:52,001
Speaker 1: Now all these dudes want to shake my hand.

775
00:30:51,841 --> 00:30:53,081
Speaker 6: And say hi to me, you know, and then now

776
00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:54,601
Speaker 6: the dude running the yard wants to talk for me,

777
00:30:54,601 --> 00:30:55,521
Speaker 6: and I go to wreck the next.

778
00:30:55,401 --> 00:30:58,241
Speaker 5: Time, So why would there be drama after that?

779
00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:00,481
Speaker 4: Like I know, from a point of view here, when

780
00:31:00,481 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: it comes to politics, fair enough and rightfully, so you

781
00:31:04,601 --> 00:31:06,721
Speaker 4: stand up, you take your ground, and you fucking deal

782
00:31:06,761 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: with it and you come out.

783
00:31:08,881 --> 00:31:09,321
Speaker 5: That's it.

784
00:31:09,401 --> 00:31:16,001
Speaker 4: But unfortunately here there's always some little fucking politic around it.

785
00:31:16,121 --> 00:31:17,641
Speaker 4: Like you know, we have an issue with what they

786
00:31:17,641 --> 00:31:21,401
Speaker 4: call bup, you know, the the subottexts and all this

787
00:31:21,481 --> 00:31:24,401
Speaker 4: sort of stuff that you know, gets shifted around. So

788
00:31:25,121 --> 00:31:26,881
Speaker 4: what we're seeing is a lot of people come out

789
00:31:26,881 --> 00:31:29,441
Speaker 4: of PC now and they get brought into the main

790
00:31:29,521 --> 00:31:31,201
Speaker 4: because they're on the program.

791
00:31:30,761 --> 00:31:32,641
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden everyone's around him.

792
00:31:32,681 --> 00:31:34,961
Speaker 4: That guy could be a fucking pedophile or a known

793
00:31:35,121 --> 00:31:38,081
Speaker 4: full on dog you know, informant, but he's cool.

794
00:31:38,121 --> 00:31:38,561
Speaker 5: He's cool.

795
00:31:38,561 --> 00:31:40,961
Speaker 4: We got him we're sweet. We've locked him down. He's

796
00:31:40,961 --> 00:31:42,761
Speaker 4: our boy, you know what I mean. You just keep

797
00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: spitting it out, buddy, and we just keep looking after you.

798
00:31:46,041 --> 00:31:48,721
Speaker 4: How does that work in there? Like, for example, you've

799
00:31:48,801 --> 00:31:51,201
Speaker 4: just taken out the main guy. You're a nobody, You've

800
00:31:51,201 --> 00:31:54,081
Speaker 4: come in off the street. How did you not upset

801
00:31:54,201 --> 00:31:56,401
Speaker 4: somebody in there and then all of a sudden retaliation

802
00:31:56,521 --> 00:31:58,081
Speaker 4: for you taking out that main guy.

803
00:31:58,801 --> 00:32:00,281
Speaker 6: No, because he's not the main guy. He's just a

804
00:32:00,321 --> 00:32:02,081
Speaker 6: guy around the building, you know, Like it's not like

805
00:32:02,161 --> 00:32:06,401
Speaker 6: r here. And also it's when I'm running yards, like

806
00:32:06,401 --> 00:32:08,801
Speaker 6: if a dude wants to square up, challenge me, and

807
00:32:08,841 --> 00:32:10,761
Speaker 6: it's on me to still fight no matter who it is,

808
00:32:10,761 --> 00:32:12,161
Speaker 6: whether it's a kill or not, even if I'm running

809
00:32:12,161 --> 00:32:14,041
Speaker 6: the yard, I'll be real. The only people that there's

810
00:32:14,401 --> 00:32:17,601
Speaker 6: no hands policy and are fucking untouchable and like literally

811
00:32:17,641 --> 00:32:21,121
Speaker 6: no matter what they say goes is actual Arian Brotherhood members.

812
00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:23,521
Speaker 6: So and which there's none of them on the yards.

813
00:32:23,561 --> 00:32:27,161
Speaker 6: They're all slammed down in SM two. They complete twenty

814
00:32:27,161 --> 00:32:29,601
Speaker 6: four hour day lockdown, so none of them are actually

815
00:32:29,601 --> 00:32:32,241
Speaker 6: on the yards anymore, you know, and when someone earns

816
00:32:32,281 --> 00:32:33,641
Speaker 6: their patch, they're gone right away.

817
00:32:33,681 --> 00:32:35,321
Speaker 1: And they never see the daylight again anyways.

818
00:32:35,361 --> 00:32:37,801
Speaker 6: But so anybody else, you're, yeah, you've got to square

819
00:32:37,881 --> 00:32:40,121
Speaker 6: up with someone, and you know, like that's what they said.

820
00:32:40,121 --> 00:32:41,641
Speaker 1: We almost fought again afterwards, but to.

821
00:32:41,601 --> 00:32:43,321
Speaker 6: Be honest, the dude did not want no more smoke

822
00:32:43,361 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 6: with me, you know, so we didn't fight him.

823
00:32:45,001 --> 00:32:45,361
Speaker 5: But that was it.

824
00:32:45,361 --> 00:32:46,881
Speaker 6: And that's what your dude run the yard said. He

825
00:32:46,961 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: if he has a problem with then it's on him

826
00:32:48,281 --> 00:32:48,881
Speaker 6: to fight me again.

827
00:32:49,841 --> 00:32:51,321
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow fuck yeah.

828
00:32:51,921 --> 00:32:54,121
Speaker 6: So then I like think but that attention was addicting

829
00:32:54,161 --> 00:32:55,321
Speaker 6: as a kid, you know. And then I was like

830
00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:57,001
Speaker 6: I remember thinking like overnight, I was how am I

831
00:32:57,121 --> 00:32:58,841
Speaker 6: like this is gonna be lone last twelve years? Like

832
00:32:59,161 --> 00:33:00,881
Speaker 6: I got to figure something out, you know, And then

833
00:33:01,201 --> 00:33:02,561
Speaker 6: you get the attention that I was like, all right,

834
00:33:02,601 --> 00:33:03,521
Speaker 6: this is what I can do, you know. And then

835
00:33:03,561 --> 00:33:04,841
Speaker 6: he's like he ask if I want to start putting

836
00:33:04,841 --> 00:33:06,561
Speaker 6: in work and I'm so close. I was like, what

837
00:33:06,601 --> 00:33:08,561
Speaker 6: do you mean putting the work? You know, he's like

838
00:33:08,681 --> 00:33:10,561
Speaker 6: smashing like snitches or sex ferns. I was like, oh

839
00:33:10,641 --> 00:33:12,081
Speaker 6: hell yeah. I was like the only thing I'm not

840
00:33:12,161 --> 00:33:14,201
Speaker 6: down to do is I told him from the jump,

841
00:33:14,201 --> 00:33:15,561
Speaker 6: the only thing I won't do is no comic ouds

842
00:33:15,601 --> 00:33:16,921
Speaker 6: And she's like, I'm not going to stab people in

843
00:33:16,921 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 6: front of cops and shit like that.

844
00:33:17,961 --> 00:33:19,281
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I said, you know, because I

845
00:33:19,321 --> 00:33:20,681
Speaker 1: was even though it was a twelve.

846
00:33:20,481 --> 00:33:23,521
Speaker 6: Riars, was like, I didn't I've always said it was

847
00:33:23,561 --> 00:33:24,081
Speaker 6: fifty to fifty.

848
00:33:24,041 --> 00:33:25,041
Speaker 1: I was gonna ever make it out of there.

849
00:33:25,081 --> 00:33:27,361
Speaker 6: Not in the beginning. You know, I still wasn't just

850
00:33:27,361 --> 00:33:28,881
Speaker 6: gonna throw in the towel right away, you know. So

851
00:33:29,081 --> 00:33:30,561
Speaker 6: that was the only thing I said I didn't want

852
00:33:30,561 --> 00:33:33,761
Speaker 6: to do. And you know, I built a name for

853
00:33:33,801 --> 00:33:37,321
Speaker 6: myself just fucking whooping dudes asses at first, you know,

854
00:33:37,401 --> 00:33:38,561
Speaker 6: for a few of them, you know, and then it's

855
00:33:38,601 --> 00:33:42,361
Speaker 6: like it's I mean, it's it's a it's.

856
00:33:42,241 --> 00:33:43,561
Speaker 1: A pretty small world in there, you know.

857
00:33:43,601 --> 00:33:45,641
Speaker 6: Especially in the higher scirity yards, you know, so everybody

858
00:33:45,681 --> 00:33:48,081
Speaker 6: talks and you know, and they I mean, there's you know,

859
00:33:48,161 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: big bad dudes around you kind of know, and it's

860
00:33:50,281 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 6: and then but you know, by the time I was

861
00:33:51,481 --> 00:33:53,161
Speaker 6: twenty three years old, I ran my first four and

862
00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:55,561
Speaker 6: after that, you know, I would run everything I touched

863
00:33:55,601 --> 00:33:57,401
Speaker 6: for the most part, you know, if not like one

864
00:33:57,441 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 6: of my boys did that have the yard, you know,

865
00:33:58,721 --> 00:34:01,841
Speaker 6: older together and I loved that shit, bro I like,

866
00:34:01,881 --> 00:34:03,601
Speaker 6: I loved it, and I lived for that stuff, and

867
00:34:03,601 --> 00:34:05,521
Speaker 6: that's all I wanted. And it's a dumbiesh in the world,

868
00:34:05,601 --> 00:34:07,561
Speaker 6: you know, Like, you know, I just have, you know,

869
00:34:07,761 --> 00:34:10,201
Speaker 6: racist shit tattooed across my stomach, you know. And my

870
00:34:10,281 --> 00:34:12,281
Speaker 6: wife's black and my son's a core black. And it's

871
00:34:12,321 --> 00:34:15,961
Speaker 6: just like you risk years or life sense is earning

872
00:34:15,961 --> 00:34:17,561
Speaker 6: that shit, you know, and then burn it off your

873
00:34:17,561 --> 00:34:19,161
Speaker 6: body and you get out the most painful.

874
00:34:18,841 --> 00:34:19,601
Speaker 1: Shit in the world, you know.

875
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,841
Speaker 6: And it's like when I met my wife, I had

876
00:34:21,881 --> 00:34:23,201
Speaker 6: to tell her that because I had like one session

877
00:34:23,321 --> 00:34:24,241
Speaker 6: but it was still on there, you.

878
00:34:24,161 --> 00:34:26,801
Speaker 1: Know, and I was like, like the second what was it?

879
00:34:26,841 --> 00:34:28,561
Speaker 4: What was the sort of tatoos that you would have?

880
00:34:28,681 --> 00:34:31,841
Speaker 4: Would it be like Arian brother stall tattoos? So is

881
00:34:31,881 --> 00:34:34,481
Speaker 4: that is that your affiliation or White Pride or something

882
00:34:34,521 --> 00:34:34,801
Speaker 4: like that.

883
00:34:34,841 --> 00:34:36,921
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, white pride, but they had like Arian

884
00:34:36,961 --> 00:34:38,681
Speaker 6: Brother they have their own patches like a war burd

885
00:34:38,721 --> 00:34:41,001
Speaker 6: and stuff. But like, yeah, we get like white pride there.

886
00:34:41,641 --> 00:34:45,041
Speaker 6: It's huge out there to get swastikas lightning bolts, like

887
00:34:45,161 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 6: I had to almost fight them to for this iron

888
00:34:47,481 --> 00:34:49,761
Speaker 6: cross right here. They were like trying to make me

889
00:34:49,801 --> 00:34:51,521
Speaker 6: put a swastka right there, and I was just like

890
00:34:51,601 --> 00:34:53,361
Speaker 6: did I almost did it when I was a kid too,

891
00:34:53,561 --> 00:34:55,321
Speaker 6: just because like like but you don't even think I

892
00:34:55,321 --> 00:34:56,001
Speaker 6: didn't even know what the.

893
00:34:55,921 --> 00:34:57,481
Speaker 1: Fuck it really was, you know what I'm saying. But

894
00:34:57,521 --> 00:34:58,881
Speaker 1: like that's just what they do to you.

895
00:34:58,921 --> 00:35:00,041
Speaker 6: And I feel like they do that so like you

896
00:35:00,081 --> 00:35:02,321
Speaker 6: have no chance and you get out, like with those tattoos,

897
00:35:02,321 --> 00:35:03,641
Speaker 6: you're always gonna come right back to them.

898
00:35:03,641 --> 00:35:03,801
Speaker 5: You know.

899
00:35:03,841 --> 00:35:06,121
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, and when you notice, like the people

900
00:35:06,121 --> 00:35:07,801
Speaker 6: that I looked up to and there are just the

901
00:35:07,881 --> 00:35:10,161
Speaker 6: fucking biggest scumbacks for the most part of them, you

902
00:35:10,201 --> 00:35:12,681
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, And it's just it's just the worst.

903
00:35:12,721 --> 00:35:14,641
Speaker 6: I hate prison and everything about it. That's why I

904
00:35:14,721 --> 00:35:16,001
Speaker 6: just want to fix it and just trying to help

905
00:35:16,001 --> 00:35:16,681
Speaker 6: people have been there.

906
00:35:16,721 --> 00:35:16,881
Speaker 5: You know.

907
00:35:17,761 --> 00:35:19,841
Speaker 4: I love that, brother, And you know that's a beautiful

908
00:35:19,881 --> 00:35:22,521
Speaker 4: thing that we do here on the Clink is you know,

909
00:35:22,601 --> 00:35:26,041
Speaker 4: we share these true stories. They're not edited, they're not

910
00:35:26,081 --> 00:35:28,561
Speaker 4: something that I put apart just to make it sound

911
00:35:28,601 --> 00:35:30,841
Speaker 4: all pretty in that this is your journey, this is

912
00:35:31,401 --> 00:35:34,721
Speaker 4: your story, and you know it's one of those things

913
00:35:34,761 --> 00:35:37,521
Speaker 4: where we have to tell it as it's not to

914
00:35:37,561 --> 00:35:39,601
Speaker 4: be glorified, and like you just said, you hate it,

915
00:35:39,641 --> 00:35:43,641
Speaker 4: I fucking hate Joe. Brother to me, it's I put

916
00:35:43,681 --> 00:35:46,561
Speaker 4: it down now to we're both sitting here in this

917
00:35:46,681 --> 00:35:50,081
Speaker 4: moment being able to help people through our lived experience,

918
00:35:50,201 --> 00:35:52,881
Speaker 4: and how blessed are we to be able to have

919
00:35:52,921 --> 00:35:55,361
Speaker 4: come out the other side and survived. And look, we've

920
00:35:55,361 --> 00:35:57,801
Speaker 4: both got our demons, there's no two ways about it.

921
00:35:57,841 --> 00:36:00,361
Speaker 4: And things will never leave us. Things will always be

922
00:36:00,401 --> 00:36:02,201
Speaker 4: stuck up here that we've got to deal with. You know,

923
00:36:02,281 --> 00:36:05,761
Speaker 4: you talk about bipolar on typed two, bipolar, you know,

924
00:36:05,921 --> 00:36:07,081
Speaker 4: sexual abuse.

925
00:36:06,721 --> 00:36:07,441
Speaker 5: As a child.

926
00:36:08,761 --> 00:36:10,521
Speaker 4: Like we could go on and on and on, but

927
00:36:10,721 --> 00:36:12,321
Speaker 4: is that what we do or do we sort of

928
00:36:12,361 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: go Okay, we've gone through these things to enable us

929
00:36:16,881 --> 00:36:19,881
Speaker 4: because of the men that we are, we're obviously strong

930
00:36:20,001 --> 00:36:23,041
Speaker 4: enough men and warriors withinside to help those that aren't

931
00:36:23,081 --> 00:36:26,001
Speaker 4: as strong, you know, to give them the guidance to

932
00:36:26,041 --> 00:36:29,081
Speaker 4: try and bring them to a point in life where

933
00:36:29,081 --> 00:36:29,881
Speaker 4: they realize that.

934
00:36:29,841 --> 00:36:30,761
Speaker 1: There is a better way.

935
00:36:31,361 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: I think that you know, we can sit here and talk,

936
00:36:34,521 --> 00:36:36,241
Speaker 4: and I know that we've both sat at the table

937
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:39,361
Speaker 4: with some powerful players over the years and seen a

938
00:36:39,401 --> 00:36:42,001
Speaker 4: lot and you know, experienced a lot, and there'll be

939
00:36:42,041 --> 00:36:43,721
Speaker 4: a lot that will take to the grave. And that's

940
00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:47,401
Speaker 4: just how it is, like it or not, that's life.

941
00:36:47,721 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: But you know you're in an environment where at any

942
00:36:53,041 --> 00:36:56,521
Speaker 4: said time you could be the victim of a bashing,

943
00:36:56,601 --> 00:36:59,801
Speaker 4: a stabbing. You've put it out there. You know, you've

944
00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:03,121
Speaker 4: become physical in the yard. People know you're now a challenge.

945
00:37:03,681 --> 00:37:05,361
Speaker 4: You know, like if I come into the and I

946
00:37:05,361 --> 00:37:07,441
Speaker 4: can take you out, well I'm the next guy a

947
00:37:07,681 --> 00:37:11,241
Speaker 4: because you did exactly that the first time. How did

948
00:37:11,241 --> 00:37:13,121
Speaker 4: that feel being a young guy And I know what

949
00:37:13,161 --> 00:37:15,521
Speaker 4: you said just a minute ago, that adrenaline feeling of

950
00:37:15,561 --> 00:37:17,281
Speaker 4: walking the yard and you know a little bit of

951
00:37:17,321 --> 00:37:20,401
Speaker 4: a chest pump, no one knowing your status, knowing your status,

952
00:37:20,441 --> 00:37:22,401
Speaker 4: but man, you're a fucking target, bro.

953
00:37:23,041 --> 00:37:25,601
Speaker 1: I was, to be honest, it was nerve wracking. And

954
00:37:25,641 --> 00:37:28,001
Speaker 1: that's and that's why I hate Like every day.

955
00:37:28,601 --> 00:37:29,761
Speaker 6: I used to make a joke and I was like,

956
00:37:29,841 --> 00:37:31,641
Speaker 6: watch me just get whooped one day by the smallest

957
00:37:31,681 --> 00:37:33,761
Speaker 6: dude on the yard. Had a pure bad luck. That's

958
00:37:33,761 --> 00:37:35,561
Speaker 6: what That's what I used to joke about. But like,

959
00:37:36,361 --> 00:37:38,921
Speaker 6: uh yeah, I mean there is there is and you

960
00:37:39,201 --> 00:37:40,921
Speaker 6: that's why you got your shoes tired all the time.

961
00:37:40,921 --> 00:37:42,641
Speaker 6: But like when you're the shot car too, so you'll

962
00:37:42,721 --> 00:37:44,641
Speaker 6: never be walking the yard by yourself. I always, you know,

963
00:37:44,961 --> 00:37:47,961
Speaker 6: rolled the yard with your soldiers there with you. So like,

964
00:37:48,081 --> 00:37:49,881
Speaker 6: could I have gotten into somebody, yes, but like no

965
00:37:49,921 --> 00:37:51,281
Speaker 6: matter what, if someone's going to try and do some

966
00:37:51,361 --> 00:37:53,241
Speaker 6: stupid like these kids would literally rip his face off,

967
00:37:53,361 --> 00:37:55,041
Speaker 6: or you'd even get anyone new, you know what I'm saying.

968
00:37:55,081 --> 00:37:57,241
Speaker 6: And like if someone tried to say something stupid to me,

969
00:37:57,321 --> 00:37:59,001
Speaker 6: like even like on a basket coat, if we got

970
00:37:59,001 --> 00:38:01,401
Speaker 6: into a little if a dude say this, if a

971
00:38:01,401 --> 00:38:03,441
Speaker 6: white boy like raised his voice out me, like in

972
00:38:03,441 --> 00:38:06,961
Speaker 6: the basketport while we're playing a game. My youngsters probably

973
00:38:07,001 --> 00:38:09,201
Speaker 6: literally after I we're done, would be like begging me

974
00:38:09,241 --> 00:38:10,641
Speaker 6: to get like let them go get them, you know

975
00:38:10,681 --> 00:38:11,041
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

976
00:38:11,121 --> 00:38:13,001
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, no, liked it. But that's how like,

977
00:38:13,081 --> 00:38:13,561
Speaker 1: that's how it.

978
00:38:13,521 --> 00:38:16,761
Speaker 4: Is there so to earn their stripes because they disrespected

979
00:38:16,801 --> 00:38:18,321
Speaker 4: the seniority of one of.

980
00:38:18,401 --> 00:38:19,881
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they just want to show that they're down

981
00:38:19,961 --> 00:38:21,201
Speaker 6: and loyal, you know, and like a lot of them

982
00:38:21,241 --> 00:38:23,241
Speaker 6: are brodcast kids and I'm feeding them dinner every night,

983
00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:25,041
Speaker 6: and you know, and they do my laundry, but I

984
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,281
Speaker 6: feed them and shit like kids are hungers hell in there.

985
00:38:27,281 --> 00:38:28,721
Speaker 1: You know, they'll do anything for food. Bro.

986
00:38:29,401 --> 00:38:31,281
Speaker 6: What's crazy is that's how so when I told you,

987
00:38:31,321 --> 00:38:33,921
Speaker 6: when you become like a brother for the Arian brother

988
00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:35,481
Speaker 6: or the Mexican mafia, those the guys that are in

989
00:38:35,641 --> 00:38:37,881
Speaker 6: Seme two and they never get out. So when you're

990
00:38:37,921 --> 00:38:40,521
Speaker 6: running yard, you have to sell drugs and you have

991
00:38:40,601 --> 00:38:42,481
Speaker 6: to make money, like it's a business. So you have

992
00:38:42,561 --> 00:38:44,561
Speaker 6: to and what do you do with that money is

993
00:38:44,601 --> 00:38:46,721
Speaker 6: you just send it to se Me two. So it

994
00:38:46,761 --> 00:38:48,961
Speaker 6: all goes to SME two and we'll send it to

995
00:38:48,961 --> 00:38:50,841
Speaker 6: their ladies on the yard, and they give them money

996
00:38:50,841 --> 00:38:52,241
Speaker 6: on the commas and they make sure all those guys

997
00:38:52,241 --> 00:38:53,681
Speaker 6: are at least at they at least they have food

998
00:38:53,681 --> 00:38:55,321
Speaker 6: because they're in there all day and they can't do anything.

999
00:38:55,401 --> 00:38:57,481
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they paved the way for us.

1000
00:38:57,481 --> 00:38:59,361
Speaker 1: Because another thing people don't know about this is like

1001
00:38:59,681 --> 00:39:03,321
Speaker 1: no joke. Back in like the early eighties and late seventies.

1002
00:39:02,881 --> 00:39:05,081
Speaker 6: And century in Arizona was the most dangerous person in

1003
00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:07,681
Speaker 6: the United States of America. The reason that Aaron brother

1004
00:39:07,841 --> 00:39:11,321
Speaker 6: was formulated was because white dudes were walking back with

1005
00:39:11,361 --> 00:39:13,721
Speaker 6: their store sacks and getting their commissary taken and getting

1006
00:39:13,801 --> 00:39:16,401
Speaker 6: raped by black dudes that were twice their fucking times,

1007
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,921
Speaker 6: you know, and it was predominantly black.

1008
00:39:18,761 --> 00:39:20,281
Speaker 1: Or Mexican back then. There wasn't a lot of white people.

1009
00:39:20,321 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 6: So as the number, I think the numbers just changing

1010
00:39:22,521 --> 00:39:24,121
Speaker 6: something like that, and they formulated it. And so, like

1011
00:39:24,121 --> 00:39:26,681
Speaker 6: I said, that's why when dudes like we bring in

1012
00:39:26,721 --> 00:39:29,201
Speaker 6: a you know, announce a heroin, they have to break

1013
00:39:29,241 --> 00:39:31,281
Speaker 6: us off twenty five percent for a yard tax.

1014
00:39:31,321 --> 00:39:33,601
Speaker 1: And they don't want to do that. And I'm like, if.

1015
00:39:33,441 --> 00:39:35,361
Speaker 6: It wasn't for these motherfuckers, you get your entire shit

1016
00:39:35,401 --> 00:39:37,521
Speaker 6: snatched from visit, you know what I'm saying. So that's

1017
00:39:37,561 --> 00:39:39,521
Speaker 6: why they paid twenty five percent yard tax, and then

1018
00:39:39,521 --> 00:39:41,201
Speaker 6: it's on me. I have to take that money that

1019
00:39:41,441 --> 00:39:43,081
Speaker 6: drugs can sell it and send the money to se

1020
00:39:43,121 --> 00:39:43,401
Speaker 6: me too.

1021
00:39:44,601 --> 00:39:48,601
Speaker 4: So okay, let's just hypothetically, and we're saying hypothetically.

1022
00:39:48,641 --> 00:39:52,281
Speaker 5: Here, I'm out on a visit. Some balloons come in, I.

1023
00:39:52,281 --> 00:39:55,921
Speaker 4: Get them through next minute, fucking regurgitate them, shit them out,

1024
00:39:55,961 --> 00:39:59,361
Speaker 4: you know as they do whatever. Thank straight, you got

1025
00:39:59,361 --> 00:40:02,001
Speaker 4: someone watching me. You know what's going down, you know

1026
00:40:02,081 --> 00:40:04,001
Speaker 4: what's coming out, and it goes straight to you.

1027
00:40:04,241 --> 00:40:06,201
Speaker 5: And you start to do tribute, then.

1028
00:40:06,281 --> 00:40:08,361
Speaker 1: I I break the shit off.

1029
00:40:08,481 --> 00:40:09,921
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that's my point.

1030
00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:12,481
Speaker 4: And then obviously the guy that sort of brought it in,

1031
00:40:12,561 --> 00:40:14,921
Speaker 4: whether he's brought it in, try to be sly, whether

1032
00:40:14,961 --> 00:40:17,881
Speaker 4: it's an organized thing, does he get sort of benefits

1033
00:40:17,881 --> 00:40:19,721
Speaker 4: from it where obviously he's using.

1034
00:40:20,041 --> 00:40:21,721
Speaker 6: A quarter and a quarter, so like you use if

1035
00:40:21,721 --> 00:40:23,241
Speaker 6: you're bringing in an announce and you could say that's

1036
00:40:23,241 --> 00:40:24,441
Speaker 6: why I used to say, if you you could sit

1037
00:40:24,481 --> 00:40:25,881
Speaker 6: in a cell and not do any legwork and you

1038
00:40:25,921 --> 00:40:27,801
Speaker 6: bring announce, you're getting half of it because a half

1039
00:40:27,881 --> 00:40:29,681
Speaker 6: of quarter go to your attacks or no other quarterbolls

1040
00:40:29,681 --> 00:40:30,081
Speaker 6: to the mule.

1041
00:40:30,601 --> 00:40:32,681
Speaker 5: And do you guys protect that guy though, or can

1042
00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:34,521
Speaker 5: I still run it on that guy and take what.

1043
00:40:34,401 --> 00:40:38,041
Speaker 4: His quarter was, or if I did protecting, he's breaking up.

1044
00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:40,641
Speaker 6: And the reason he's and the reason he's breaking up

1045
00:40:40,641 --> 00:40:42,321
Speaker 6: twenty five percent is because when he needs to get

1046
00:40:42,321 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 6: his money collected, if no one's gonna pay him, who.

1047
00:40:43,881 --> 00:40:45,041
Speaker 1: The fuck is he going to run into to get

1048
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: to the cornet?

1049
00:40:45,961 --> 00:40:46,481
Speaker 5: Yeah? Wow?

1050
00:40:47,481 --> 00:40:49,721
Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, So it's not too it's not too different

1051
00:40:49,761 --> 00:40:50,721
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways.

1052
00:40:50,961 --> 00:40:53,001
Speaker 1: It's crazy how similar but different everything is.

1053
00:40:53,081 --> 00:40:55,561
Speaker 5: Right, people just have no idea to do that.

1054
00:40:55,641 --> 00:40:57,561
Speaker 4: And I think this is a midiful thing of being

1055
00:40:57,561 --> 00:40:59,881
Speaker 4: able to talk to someone like yourself who's lived it

1056
00:41:00,441 --> 00:41:02,281
Speaker 4: and you know, truly experienced it.

1057
00:41:02,441 --> 00:41:04,481
Speaker 5: While we're on the subject, I've got.

1058
00:41:04,281 --> 00:41:06,841
Speaker 4: To ask you you you've been in a little bit

1059
00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:10,561
Speaker 4: of a bit of a war of words with someone

1060
00:41:10,561 --> 00:41:13,361
Speaker 4: who idea I just think is an absolute piece of ship.

1061
00:41:14,001 --> 00:41:16,521
Speaker 1: Besides for sex offenders and sholdlessers, there's not a.

1062
00:41:17,361 --> 00:41:18,601
Speaker 5: Hes Watson or something.

1063
00:41:19,361 --> 00:41:22,841
Speaker 1: What's Wes west Watson.

1064
00:41:24,001 --> 00:41:26,721
Speaker 5: I can't help her bring this guy up like everybody's

1065
00:41:26,801 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: so sucked in by his multi million dollar empire. Motherfucker,

1066
00:41:31,521 --> 00:41:34,041
Speaker 5: I'm the shoe king and I'm the fucking lamball this

1067
00:41:34,201 --> 00:41:37,001
Speaker 5: and you're just a fat, fucking suck my dick. If

1068
00:41:37,001 --> 00:41:39,201
Speaker 5: you're fat and you're not, shut the fuck up.

1069
00:41:39,561 --> 00:41:42,001
Speaker 6: Yeah, And he served four years and he got shipped

1070
00:41:42,001 --> 00:41:43,201
Speaker 6: out of state. Like that's what people don't even know.

1071
00:41:43,241 --> 00:41:44,801
Speaker 6: He didn't even serve ten years. He got he served

1072
00:41:44,801 --> 00:41:45,441
Speaker 6: four years.

1073
00:41:45,761 --> 00:41:47,361
Speaker 1: And someone that's.

1074
00:41:47,241 --> 00:41:49,681
Speaker 5: Got some facts, so let's hear some facts, because.

1075
00:41:49,761 --> 00:41:53,281
Speaker 1: He served four years. If he said he served four years.

1076
00:41:53,481 --> 00:41:54,961
Speaker 1: He didn't even do California time.

1077
00:41:55,041 --> 00:41:58,281
Speaker 6: He was so non violent they sent him from California

1078
00:41:58,401 --> 00:42:02,361
Speaker 6: to Arizona. Wes Watson's prison time was served in Arizona

1079
00:42:02,401 --> 00:42:03,801
Speaker 6: on a minimum security prison yard.

1080
00:42:04,601 --> 00:42:06,641
Speaker 5: He fashed all these people. He's a hard man. He's

1081
00:42:06,641 --> 00:42:08,241
Speaker 5: a shot caller. What are you talking about?

1082
00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,641
Speaker 1: You got what? Yeah? What a salt case? Anybody getting

1083
00:42:10,601 --> 00:42:11,001
Speaker 1: a sull case?

1084
00:42:11,001 --> 00:42:12,321
Speaker 6: And like I said, just because you got him one

1085
00:42:12,361 --> 00:42:14,161
Speaker 6: a saw case, just you gotten to fight this me

1086
00:42:14,161 --> 00:42:15,081
Speaker 6: and you go to the shoe program.

1087
00:42:15,121 --> 00:42:18,841
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, calls bro the shooter. Shot callers.

1088
00:42:18,841 --> 00:42:22,321
Speaker 5: Not he's a shot caller. He's the fucking badass, motherfucker

1089
00:42:22,401 --> 00:42:25,201
Speaker 5: shot caller. Where's Watson is the fucking king.

1090
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:28,041
Speaker 1: West is the biggest pussy.

1091
00:42:28,361 --> 00:42:31,041
Speaker 5: He's mom's so fucking gangster, lit up.

1092
00:42:31,081 --> 00:42:33,401
Speaker 6: That's why I said, Wes Watson's mom's fucking more gangster

1093
00:42:33,441 --> 00:42:34,401
Speaker 6: than that pussy's asset.

1094
00:42:34,521 --> 00:42:36,321
Speaker 1: Seriously, Like, and I told him.

1095
00:42:36,161 --> 00:42:39,281
Speaker 4: At that, Oh, this is why I'm asking you because

1096
00:42:39,361 --> 00:42:40,561
Speaker 4: you know, like everybody has this.

1097
00:42:40,721 --> 00:42:42,001
Speaker 6: I even told when I saw that video of them

1098
00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:43,481
Speaker 6: jumping those dudes out of that gym, because I had

1099
00:42:43,481 --> 00:42:44,761
Speaker 6: a cell phone. He tried to get bad with me

1100
00:42:44,841 --> 00:42:46,281
Speaker 6: one time, and he thought I was one of those

1101
00:42:46,281 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 6: little internet tough guys, and I I put have checked

1102
00:42:48,481 --> 00:42:50,561
Speaker 6: that's real quick, as like I'm like, you know, I

1103
00:42:50,561 --> 00:42:52,601
Speaker 6: told him verbat him. I said, I said, google me, motherfucker,

1104
00:42:52,641 --> 00:42:54,161
Speaker 6: I'm the dude who claim to be That's what I

1105
00:42:54,201 --> 00:42:56,561
Speaker 6: told him. And then you fucking checked his words real

1106
00:42:56,641 --> 00:42:57,801
Speaker 6: quick on me. So I had to cell phone him.

1107
00:42:57,801 --> 00:42:59,081
Speaker 6: So when I sent him that thing, and I'll show

1108
00:42:59,121 --> 00:43:01,721
Speaker 6: you the screenshots, but I sent him a screenshot or

1109
00:43:01,761 --> 00:43:03,881
Speaker 6: I sent him a video of that Ballerbuster thing where

1110
00:43:03,881 --> 00:43:06,761
Speaker 6: they shared shout out to ballerbus is too, where I

1111
00:43:06,801 --> 00:43:09,881
Speaker 6: share that video where those four dudes jumped that dude

1112
00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:13,161
Speaker 6: at the gym, and I was like, fucking pussy as motherfucker,

1113
00:43:13,201 --> 00:43:13,881
Speaker 6: you're so lucky.

1114
00:43:13,921 --> 00:43:15,921
Speaker 1: I wasn't like just threatening his ass. He read it

1115
00:43:15,961 --> 00:43:17,601
Speaker 1: and didn't say a word back, but it said.

1116
00:43:17,401 --> 00:43:20,081
Speaker 6: To see it was nothing good about that, just like

1117
00:43:20,481 --> 00:43:22,561
Speaker 6: he's like one of those main dudes that just like

1118
00:43:22,841 --> 00:43:24,641
Speaker 6: anybody in the world when you talk to if you're

1119
00:43:24,681 --> 00:43:27,921
Speaker 6: not tough, you know what I'm saying. And he built

1120
00:43:27,921 --> 00:43:30,201
Speaker 6: his entire life and image off a dude like me

1121
00:43:30,281 --> 00:43:31,641
Speaker 6: telling him what the fuck to do when he was

1122
00:43:31,641 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: in prison and figured he'd get out here light enough

1123
00:43:33,961 --> 00:43:36,401
Speaker 6: people and people have no clue and people are he had,

1124
00:43:36,641 --> 00:43:38,081
Speaker 6: he had a good niche at first, because people are

1125
00:43:38,121 --> 00:43:39,441
Speaker 6: fascinated with prison.

1126
00:43:39,521 --> 00:43:41,201
Speaker 1: And people are such pussies out here.

1127
00:43:41,201 --> 00:43:44,001
Speaker 6: They're scared of anybody that looks like that, and a

1128
00:43:44,041 --> 00:43:46,001
Speaker 6: lot of dudes are just lame as fucking want to

1129
00:43:46,001 --> 00:43:47,561
Speaker 6: be yelled at by another grown ass man.

1130
00:43:48,841 --> 00:43:52,961
Speaker 5: I mean to me, I love fronting people like that

1131
00:43:53,041 --> 00:43:53,721
Speaker 5: because I think to.

1132
00:43:53,801 --> 00:43:55,761
Speaker 1: Myself, I've been trying to fight him.

1133
00:43:55,761 --> 00:43:58,281
Speaker 6: So, like I said, tell everybody, I would love to

1134
00:43:58,321 --> 00:43:59,041
Speaker 6: set up a fight out.

1135
00:43:59,081 --> 00:44:01,281
Speaker 1: Don't it every time? With donating every dollar to charity? Dude, Like,

1136
00:44:01,321 --> 00:44:02,761
Speaker 1: what the hell? Why not? You know what I'm saying, Yeah,

1137
00:44:02,761 --> 00:44:03,641
Speaker 1: that's literally hard fights.

1138
00:44:03,841 --> 00:44:05,601
Speaker 4: You know what, I think that it be a fucking

1139
00:44:05,681 --> 00:44:10,321
Speaker 4: fantastic thing. And he's here's the cue, right, You're you're a.

1140
00:44:10,281 --> 00:44:13,321
Speaker 5: Stand up guy. You've been there, You've lived your life

1141
00:44:13,401 --> 00:44:14,921
Speaker 5: and you don't live that life anymore.

1142
00:44:15,041 --> 00:44:19,321
Speaker 4: But you don't call uh, you don't call shit, you

1143
00:44:19,401 --> 00:44:22,521
Speaker 4: call a spade es fate. You're very real, You're authentic,

1144
00:44:22,601 --> 00:44:23,801
Speaker 4: and your story there.

1145
00:44:23,681 --> 00:44:27,241
Speaker 5: Is checked out. So for me, what more could you offer.

1146
00:44:27,641 --> 00:44:29,801
Speaker 6: Now you've got to back checks your ship when you're

1147
00:44:29,801 --> 00:44:32,041
Speaker 6: on Base TV. It's like they'd get suit if they're

1148
00:44:32,041 --> 00:44:32,761
Speaker 6: loud about my story.

1149
00:44:32,761 --> 00:44:34,601
Speaker 1: You know, I was on exactly right.

1150
00:44:35,601 --> 00:44:38,161
Speaker 5: What is the fascination with this guy? And what is it?

1151
00:44:38,241 --> 00:44:40,881
Speaker 5: And and mabe fuck, why can't we get you two

1152
00:44:40,881 --> 00:44:43,881
Speaker 5: in the ring and create the new like Jake Paul

1153
00:44:43,921 --> 00:44:46,441
Speaker 5: and Mike Tyson fucking fight, except a proper fight.

1154
00:44:46,881 --> 00:44:50,041
Speaker 6: Literally, And I don't know, he's a He's just a

1155
00:44:50,121 --> 00:44:52,321
Speaker 6: pid dude. Like I said, people just fascinated with prison.

1156
00:44:52,641 --> 00:44:55,881
Speaker 1: He blew up off my buddy. He's my buddy, Big

1157
00:44:55,921 --> 00:44:57,161
Speaker 1: Herb from the Fresh Out series.

1158
00:44:57,281 --> 00:45:00,601
Speaker 6: And he lied about that everything you said on there,

1159
00:45:00,681 --> 00:45:02,241
Speaker 6: like you try to say Keyscher's.

1160
00:45:01,841 --> 00:45:05,401
Speaker 1: Paperwork, and like paper work's fifty hundred p long.

1161
00:45:05,481 --> 00:45:07,561
Speaker 6: You shove fifty pieces of paper up your ass every

1162
00:45:07,601 --> 00:45:09,721
Speaker 6: yard you went to fucking lame Like everything he says

1163
00:45:09,841 --> 00:45:10,161
Speaker 6: is a lot.

1164
00:45:10,201 --> 00:45:10,801
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1165
00:45:10,841 --> 00:45:13,761
Speaker 6: That's that's a big shelf, bro, Yeah, that's the person.

1166
00:45:14,401 --> 00:45:15,921
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I heard him say. I was like, Oh,

1167
00:45:16,001 --> 00:45:17,401
Speaker 1: this dude a strike full of shit.

1168
00:45:17,641 --> 00:45:20,241
Speaker 5: You know, that's a monster's safe.

1169
00:45:20,601 --> 00:45:23,721
Speaker 4: Imagine how to snookde how a snookery.

1170
00:45:24,241 --> 00:45:28,081
Speaker 6: I guess maybe he can't what that's what you call

1171
00:45:28,161 --> 00:45:29,241
Speaker 6: a real solid brief.

1172
00:45:29,641 --> 00:45:32,401
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, but that's what he said. That's why I

1173
00:45:32,441 --> 00:45:33,641
Speaker 1: knew that dude's whole ship was fake.

1174
00:45:33,681 --> 00:45:35,241
Speaker 6: And I didn't say it, to be honest, I never

1175
00:45:35,281 --> 00:45:38,281
Speaker 6: said anything to him until but I find it. I lookally,

1176
00:45:38,401 --> 00:45:39,721
Speaker 6: just took a fence when he tried to say that

1177
00:45:39,761 --> 00:45:41,321
Speaker 6: he did shoe time, and that's when I said something

1178
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:42,601
Speaker 6: to him. Fine, and that's when we got into it

1179
00:45:42,641 --> 00:45:45,201
Speaker 6: because like I was like, dude, I'm like, I'm tough, bro,

1180
00:45:45,321 --> 00:45:46,961
Speaker 6: I don't need to prove myself to nobody. But like

1181
00:45:47,041 --> 00:45:48,361
Speaker 6: I just took a fence to when he was acting

1182
00:45:48,401 --> 00:45:50,881
Speaker 6: like he did shoe time, because like that place almost

1183
00:45:50,881 --> 00:45:52,521
Speaker 6: broke me, bro, like, and I would have killed myself

1184
00:45:52,521 --> 00:45:53,761
Speaker 6: if I could have when I was in there, you know.

1185
00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:56,441
Speaker 6: Like so I just take offence to people act like

1186
00:45:56,441 --> 00:45:59,681
Speaker 6: they did time out there. Like everybody that's been to

1187
00:45:59,721 --> 00:46:01,121
Speaker 6: prison out here is like, oh I was on the

1188
00:46:01,161 --> 00:46:02,641
Speaker 6: higher yards and I was on and like they don't

1189
00:46:02,641 --> 00:46:04,361
Speaker 6: even say they were like they did half the time

1190
00:46:04,361 --> 00:46:07,121
Speaker 6: and didn't put in any work, didn't do the politics.

1191
00:46:07,161 --> 00:46:09,361
Speaker 6: And like the reason I hate those because I did

1192
00:46:09,361 --> 00:46:11,441
Speaker 6: all that, but I talk against that shit. You know

1193
00:46:11,521 --> 00:46:13,601
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like I don't brag about that shit,

1194
00:46:13,681 --> 00:46:15,081
Speaker 6: Like it's not cool. Like what's cool is doing what

1195
00:46:15,121 --> 00:46:16,801
Speaker 6: I'm doing now, And what's cool is changing your life.

1196
00:46:16,881 --> 00:46:18,841
Speaker 6: And like what's cool is going into the prison now

1197
00:46:18,881 --> 00:46:19,441
Speaker 6: and tell them to do that.

1198
00:46:19,521 --> 00:46:19,921
Speaker 1: That's gangs.

1199
00:46:20,281 --> 00:46:23,281
Speaker 6: Listen where it's at. Yeah, for real, and you don't

1200
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:26,201
Speaker 6: think that's gangs. Come trying and say something to mend percent.

1201
00:46:26,281 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: And you know what, I'm the same brother. I'll walk

1202
00:46:28,001 --> 00:46:30,161
Speaker 5: any street and hold my it up high and look.

1203
00:46:30,521 --> 00:46:32,761
Speaker 4: You know, naturally, as you know, with the way social

1204
00:46:32,801 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: media is, you're going to get the hater.

1205
00:46:34,561 --> 00:46:36,201
Speaker 5: Is you going to get the people that right you off?

1206
00:46:36,281 --> 00:46:39,761
Speaker 5: Your this shit that blah blah blah whatever. They'll never

1207
00:46:39,801 --> 00:46:41,921
Speaker 5: see you on the street, they'll never confront you, but

1208
00:46:41,921 --> 00:46:44,001
Speaker 5: they're quick to throw in the comments and they're good

1209
00:46:44,081 --> 00:46:45,321
Speaker 5: to make these calls.

1210
00:46:46,921 --> 00:46:49,961
Speaker 4: By you one hundred percent across the road as often

1211
00:46:49,961 --> 00:46:51,121
Speaker 4: that as it has happened.

1212
00:46:51,521 --> 00:46:53,281
Speaker 5: You know, what, what do you do?

1213
00:46:53,441 --> 00:46:56,121
Speaker 4: What do you bring to the table through your lived experience?

1214
00:46:56,121 --> 00:46:58,521
Speaker 4: It's making a difference in other people's lives because I

1215
00:46:58,561 --> 00:47:01,121
Speaker 4: know my value, I know who I am. I know

1216
00:47:01,201 --> 00:47:04,761
Speaker 4: my story as like yourself and hence us being here

1217
00:47:04,801 --> 00:47:08,361
Speaker 4: today because it's all about trying to make a difference

1218
00:47:08,441 --> 00:47:12,081
Speaker 4: in other people's lives by sharing our lived experience. So

1219
00:47:12,201 --> 00:47:15,281
Speaker 4: people don't go down these wrecks because they're worthless. There

1220
00:47:15,321 --> 00:47:18,201
Speaker 4: is nothing good about being a yard shop caller wasting

1221
00:47:18,241 --> 00:47:21,561
Speaker 4: twelve or fourteen years of your life. Yeah, at that time,

1222
00:47:21,641 --> 00:47:24,361
Speaker 4: it's fucking mad. You think you're killing it, but you

1223
00:47:24,401 --> 00:47:27,161
Speaker 4: know what you're You're easy. Like I say, you could

1224
00:47:27,161 --> 00:47:28,881
Speaker 4: have been the one getting killed on the yard for

1225
00:47:28,921 --> 00:47:29,521
Speaker 4: being what.

1226
00:47:30,401 --> 00:47:33,041
Speaker 6: And not only that, yeah, not only that, Like do

1227
00:47:33,041 --> 00:47:35,201
Speaker 6: you see where I am now in life? Imagine how

1228
00:47:35,241 --> 00:47:37,241
Speaker 6: successful it be if I did something productive with my

1229
00:47:37,281 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 6: prison time. You know, one thing I think we talked

1230
00:47:39,441 --> 00:47:43,641
Speaker 6: about this before is like people from prison need to

1231
00:47:43,681 --> 00:47:45,481
Speaker 6: hear from people like us or people that have been

1232
00:47:45,521 --> 00:47:47,481
Speaker 6: in the trenches and stuff. They need to hear from us,

1233
00:47:47,481 --> 00:47:50,681
Speaker 6: you know, Like it's not going to be some dude

1234
00:47:50,721 --> 00:47:53,281
Speaker 6: with a substance a degree telling them how they feel

1235
00:47:53,321 --> 00:47:55,041
Speaker 6: when they're on drugs or when they're feeling when they're

1236
00:47:55,041 --> 00:47:57,521
Speaker 6: withdrawing or something like that. You know, it's gotta especially

1237
00:47:57,721 --> 00:48:01,601
Speaker 6: dudes from prison high yards in prison, like they won't

1238
00:48:01,641 --> 00:48:03,881
Speaker 6: even on a yard, especially, like they won't even listen

1239
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:05,441
Speaker 6: to word you're saying unless you've done on time with

1240
00:48:05,441 --> 00:48:06,721
Speaker 6: the four or five yard, you know. And it's like

1241
00:48:06,721 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: and the more higher yards, the more respect you get.

1242
00:48:08,441 --> 00:48:10,561
Speaker 6: And it's like and it's that's how it should be,

1243
00:48:10,601 --> 00:48:13,241
Speaker 6: and it's it's just uh like when I was there.

1244
00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:14,841
Speaker 6: I remember when I was first on a three yard,

1245
00:48:14,921 --> 00:48:17,441
Speaker 6: I was like almost not bummed out. I was like

1246
00:48:17,481 --> 00:48:18,721
Speaker 6: kind of crapped. I was like, God, I gotta go

1247
00:48:18,761 --> 00:48:20,601
Speaker 6: at higher yards down you know, these fucking fools know

1248
00:48:20,681 --> 00:48:22,441
Speaker 6: I'm down, you know, Like that was like liter in

1249
00:48:22,481 --> 00:48:24,121
Speaker 6: my mindset. I was a kid, so I'm like I

1250
00:48:24,161 --> 00:48:26,241
Speaker 6: got to get there. So my first time going to MAXIM,

1251
00:48:26,281 --> 00:48:28,761
Speaker 6: I was twenty three, like the Big Dog's Sense unit,

1252
00:48:28,801 --> 00:48:31,601
Speaker 6: which was the most dangerous prison. Like I was excited

1253
00:48:31,641 --> 00:48:33,241
Speaker 6: to shit. I was like, finally I can say I've

1254
00:48:33,241 --> 00:48:34,721
Speaker 6: been here, you know what I'm saying, And like literally

1255
00:48:34,801 --> 00:48:37,121
Speaker 6: got there, got handed the building the keys to CV

1256
00:48:37,201 --> 00:48:38,761
Speaker 6: one right when I got there, and it was just

1257
00:48:38,801 --> 00:48:41,481
Speaker 6: a I always say this, like at least the stuff

1258
00:48:41,521 --> 00:48:47,521
Speaker 6: in my prison time worked out perfectly. And when I

1259
00:48:47,521 --> 00:48:49,921
Speaker 6: say perfectly, I mean like completely fucked up, but like

1260
00:48:50,041 --> 00:48:53,201
Speaker 6: it did the perfect thing it was supposed to do

1261
00:48:53,281 --> 00:48:56,201
Speaker 6: with building my name and image. So I have a

1262
00:48:56,241 --> 00:48:57,681
Speaker 6: real story to share it here, and I can get

1263
00:48:57,681 --> 00:48:59,121
Speaker 6: through to the worst of the worst people, you know

1264
00:48:59,161 --> 00:49:01,601
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. I'm the only one that goes to

1265
00:49:01,641 --> 00:49:03,401
Speaker 6: the high high yards out here, you know. And I'll

1266
00:49:03,401 --> 00:49:06,161
Speaker 6: walk up the high yard with any duck cops anywhere,

1267
00:49:06,201 --> 00:49:09,281
Speaker 6: you know, and like and there's nobody doing that, you know.

1268
00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:11,521
Speaker 6: And it's like, you know why, because those guys won't

1269
00:49:11,561 --> 00:49:13,201
Speaker 6: just listen to anybody, you know. So it takes guys

1270
00:49:13,201 --> 00:49:14,601
Speaker 6: like us to do that ship, you know, which is

1271
00:49:14,641 --> 00:49:16,641
Speaker 6: why I'm so passed about working with them, because no

1272
00:49:16,641 --> 00:49:19,321
Speaker 6: one's ever done that shit before, you know, so, and

1273
00:49:19,761 --> 00:49:20,561
Speaker 6: it always, just.

1274
00:49:20,521 --> 00:49:22,121
Speaker 1: Like anything, like it all falls downhill.

1275
00:49:22,161 --> 00:49:24,281
Speaker 6: So if you get the shot callers being good people

1276
00:49:24,281 --> 00:49:26,241
Speaker 6: and change their lives and being good dads, what do

1277
00:49:26,241 --> 00:49:27,641
Speaker 6: you think the soldiers are? And then the people that

1278
00:49:27,681 --> 00:49:29,121
Speaker 6: want to be soldiers? You know, it's like it all

1279
00:49:29,201 --> 00:49:30,721
Speaker 6: rolls downhill, you know. So if we can get the

1280
00:49:31,041 --> 00:49:33,201
Speaker 6: all the big top alpha mega guys to make it

1281
00:49:33,241 --> 00:49:35,161
Speaker 6: cool to be a fucking dad and change diapers and

1282
00:49:35,201 --> 00:49:37,081
Speaker 6: be sober and just do good ship, Like why the

1283
00:49:37,081 --> 00:49:39,441
Speaker 6: fuck up man think much out of the world would be.

1284
00:49:40,121 --> 00:49:40,721
Speaker 5: I love that.

1285
00:49:41,161 --> 00:49:45,121
Speaker 4: I am just on going into the levels that you're

1286
00:49:45,161 --> 00:49:48,081
Speaker 4: talking about, and I'm just trying to just break it

1287
00:49:48,121 --> 00:49:51,641
Speaker 4: on down here for our listeners here as well, because

1288
00:49:52,001 --> 00:49:54,561
Speaker 4: obviously it is a slight difference. So here we have

1289
00:49:54,801 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 4: our classifications. Obviously you've got you know, your your high risk,

1290
00:49:59,801 --> 00:50:04,041
Speaker 4: your ease, your a's, your you know, supermax, down to

1291
00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:09,001
Speaker 4: your medium minimum, which is you know, C one, C two, C.

1292
00:50:08,961 --> 00:50:11,561
Speaker 5: Three uh, and obviously above that you be.

1293
00:50:11,761 --> 00:50:13,721
Speaker 4: Is that what you're referring to when you speak of

1294
00:50:13,881 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: three yard four yard signed druck show?

1295
00:50:17,401 --> 00:50:17,601
Speaker 1: Yep.

1296
00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,841
Speaker 6: So we have one yards which are like work camps,

1297
00:50:19,921 --> 00:50:21,281
Speaker 6: like you got to be two or three years and under,

1298
00:50:21,361 --> 00:50:22,961
Speaker 6: like some of them don't even have fences around. You

1299
00:50:23,001 --> 00:50:24,481
Speaker 6: can literally just scape any day if you want it.

1300
00:50:24,761 --> 00:50:26,641
Speaker 6: Then they have minim security yards, which is like five

1301
00:50:26,721 --> 00:50:28,921
Speaker 6: years under, which is still pretty much the same shit.

1302
00:50:29,561 --> 00:50:31,721
Speaker 6: And then you have three yards, which is medium security

1303
00:50:31,761 --> 00:50:33,241
Speaker 6: and that's as low as life ers can go. So

1304
00:50:33,281 --> 00:50:37,961
Speaker 6: it's control movement, but it's dorm living and that's like

1305
00:50:38,001 --> 00:50:40,001
Speaker 6: the that's like a minimum security for lifers. And then

1306
00:50:40,041 --> 00:50:43,321
Speaker 6: four yards close custody, which is sales, but it's two

1307
00:50:43,321 --> 00:50:45,441
Speaker 6: man per sell, and there at least they're nice yourself.

1308
00:50:45,441 --> 00:50:48,961
Speaker 6: They're like, I want to say six by nine or something,

1309
00:50:49,081 --> 00:50:50,081
Speaker 6: and it's two of you in there.

1310
00:50:50,121 --> 00:50:51,201
Speaker 1: And then it's control movement.

1311
00:50:51,241 --> 00:50:55,921
Speaker 6: So but you only get three recks three showers a week. Yeah,

1312
00:50:55,921 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 6: so even for it, you only get three RECs three

1313
00:50:57,441 --> 00:50:58,601
Speaker 6: showers a week. You only go to you get to

1314
00:50:58,641 --> 00:51:00,401
Speaker 6: walk to chow twice. They even bring your sack lunch

1315
00:51:00,481 --> 00:51:02,161
Speaker 6: to your sales, so you only leave your thing twice

1316
00:51:02,201 --> 00:51:04,481
Speaker 6: a day just to walk to chow. Control movement, and

1317
00:51:04,521 --> 00:51:06,241
Speaker 6: then you have MAX on top of that, which is

1318
00:51:06,281 --> 00:51:09,161
Speaker 6: MAX is fucking twenty four hour day lockdown. You get

1319
00:51:09,241 --> 00:51:13,641
Speaker 6: three hour wreck cages a week where they shackle you're

1320
00:51:13,761 --> 00:51:16,641
Speaker 6: cuffee behind, escort you to a wreck caage, lock in

1321
00:51:16,641 --> 00:51:18,521
Speaker 6: the wreckage, and you get to walk around in circles

1322
00:51:18,521 --> 00:51:23,121
Speaker 6: for fucking an hour. And then SMU, which is it's

1323
00:51:23,121 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 6: the exact same shit.

1324
00:51:24,041 --> 00:51:26,321
Speaker 5: It's strictly Is that like Strict Management Unit.

1325
00:51:26,601 --> 00:51:28,201
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a shoot program where like they don't even

1326
00:51:28,361 --> 00:51:30,561
Speaker 6: they take your TV from you, They take everything like that,

1327
00:51:30,841 --> 00:51:33,321
Speaker 6: so it's like you have literally nothing except except your mattress.

1328
00:51:33,721 --> 00:51:34,601
Speaker 5: I'ld I allow you do.

1329
00:51:34,721 --> 00:51:36,841
Speaker 4: I let you have a Bible or a Quran or something,

1330
00:51:37,081 --> 00:51:38,241
Speaker 4: just a bible, just a bible.

1331
00:51:38,441 --> 00:51:39,761
Speaker 1: And I remember what I would do in there the

1332
00:51:39,921 --> 00:51:40,321
Speaker 1: entire time.

1333
00:51:40,361 --> 00:51:43,561
Speaker 6: I would just do one and a half steps like

1334
00:51:43,681 --> 00:51:45,281
Speaker 6: that's that was the entire cell. And I would just

1335
00:51:45,321 --> 00:51:47,161
Speaker 6: lean because it's usually freezing calls. I'd have my just

1336
00:51:47,161 --> 00:51:49,081
Speaker 6: blanket wrapped around me and I would just do one

1337
00:51:49,121 --> 00:51:50,801
Speaker 6: and a half steps to the door.

1338
00:51:50,601 --> 00:51:52,601
Speaker 1: And then to the wall, and then to the door,

1339
00:51:53,041 --> 00:51:54,721
Speaker 1: then to the wall. And I would do that for

1340
00:51:55,401 --> 00:51:56,401
Speaker 1: twelve hours a day.

1341
00:51:56,601 --> 00:51:59,161
Speaker 4: And even doing segro here in Australia, you know, like

1342
00:51:59,361 --> 00:52:02,761
Speaker 4: you literally you're on a lockdown which is twenty three

1343
00:52:02,801 --> 00:52:05,881
Speaker 4: and one most days or twenty four. And if they

1344
00:52:05,921 --> 00:52:09,121
Speaker 4: pull the screws off that wing which is skeleton staff anyway,

1345
00:52:09,161 --> 00:52:11,841
Speaker 4: and they need them in the central prison, you don't

1346
00:52:11,841 --> 00:52:12,921
Speaker 4: get access to nothing.

1347
00:52:13,121 --> 00:52:15,681
Speaker 5: You get no fucking nothing forget your phone.

1348
00:52:17,001 --> 00:52:20,321
Speaker 4: Moment correct, And you know you have this tiny little

1349
00:52:20,361 --> 00:52:22,681
Speaker 4: square off the back of the cell, which is obviously

1350
00:52:22,881 --> 00:52:25,121
Speaker 4: walled on either side. It's got a cage off the

1351
00:52:25,161 --> 00:52:27,801
Speaker 4: back and the only way that we can control the run,

1352
00:52:28,321 --> 00:52:31,161
Speaker 4: or not control, but communicate on the run was someone

1353
00:52:31,201 --> 00:52:33,081
Speaker 4: would do a cook up, for example, and you'd get

1354
00:52:33,081 --> 00:52:34,841
Speaker 4: a rubbish bag, you know what I mean, and you

1355
00:52:34,961 --> 00:52:37,201
Speaker 4: tie it up, the plastic rubbish bag or something you

1356
00:52:37,521 --> 00:52:39,921
Speaker 4: contain it in, and you'd run a little bit of sheet,

1357
00:52:40,201 --> 00:52:42,641
Speaker 4: you know, get the string off the sheet, and you'd

1358
00:52:42,761 --> 00:52:45,601
Speaker 4: lass do it and it just goes sliding up and

1359
00:52:45,641 --> 00:52:48,241
Speaker 4: feeding it back up, you know. And sometimes if you're

1360
00:52:48,281 --> 00:52:50,801
Speaker 4: in with a good crew, someone each day would do

1361
00:52:50,801 --> 00:52:52,881
Speaker 4: a little cookup. And when I say a cookup, it

1362
00:52:52,921 --> 00:52:56,041
Speaker 4: wasn't something you'd fucking sit out and eat a restaurant talking.

1363
00:52:55,881 --> 00:52:58,361
Speaker 5: Just some tune or in a bit of two minute noodle.

1364
00:52:58,401 --> 00:53:00,201
Speaker 4: And if you're able to sort of get an egg

1365
00:53:00,321 --> 00:53:02,481
Speaker 4: or something smuggled in through someone that you might have

1366
00:53:02,561 --> 00:53:04,681
Speaker 4: known through what we call here a sweeper, which is,

1367
00:53:05,321 --> 00:53:06,801
Speaker 4: you know, the guys who have done a bit of

1368
00:53:06,841 --> 00:53:09,521
Speaker 4: time that take care of the wing in the in

1369
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:12,041
Speaker 4: those units, you know, keep it clean, the floors, will

1370
00:53:12,041 --> 00:53:13,761
Speaker 4: come up to your door, give you a book or

1371
00:53:14,121 --> 00:53:16,081
Speaker 4: that's about the only communication.

1372
00:53:16,241 --> 00:53:18,441
Speaker 5: And then obviously you can do what you need to

1373
00:53:18,441 --> 00:53:21,081
Speaker 5: do if you now you know you're in the right

1374
00:53:21,121 --> 00:53:26,521
Speaker 5: click there, but you just you lose all sense of communication.

1375
00:53:26,801 --> 00:53:30,601
Speaker 4: And you lose all sense of actual you know, being,

1376
00:53:30,641 --> 00:53:32,921
Speaker 4: your mental health suffers, and the only thing you can

1377
00:53:32,961 --> 00:53:35,401
Speaker 4: do is, if you're lucky enough, is read a Bible,

1378
00:53:35,441 --> 00:53:40,281
Speaker 4: read a Koran, or basically try and keep yourself busy.

1379
00:53:40,721 --> 00:53:42,921
Speaker 4: And this is the reality of it. And there is

1380
00:53:43,001 --> 00:53:46,681
Speaker 4: nothing good about it, and there's not there's nothing good

1381
00:53:46,721 --> 00:53:47,041
Speaker 4: about it.

1382
00:53:48,281 --> 00:53:48,921
Speaker 1: It's so bad.

1383
00:53:48,921 --> 00:53:50,721
Speaker 6: I never even read, like no joke, when I would

1384
00:53:50,761 --> 00:53:52,521
Speaker 6: be in that cellarous a button or if I could

1385
00:53:52,561 --> 00:53:54,081
Speaker 6: did even get a book, I'd never even read because

1386
00:53:54,081 --> 00:53:55,801
Speaker 6: I'd read a chapter demion Ai. I was reading so

1387
00:53:55,921 --> 00:53:58,761
Speaker 6: like And that's why I like give myself to be honest,

1388
00:53:58,801 --> 00:54:00,321
Speaker 6: I kind of props it more now because not only

1389
00:54:00,361 --> 00:54:02,401
Speaker 6: did I do like horrible the worst time, in the

1390
00:54:02,401 --> 00:54:05,001
Speaker 6: worst state, and did it gangster as fuck the entire time,

1391
00:54:06,441 --> 00:54:08,441
Speaker 6: but like I have eighty d so and I couldn't

1392
00:54:08,441 --> 00:54:09,961
Speaker 6: even read like other people could read, you know what

1393
00:54:10,001 --> 00:54:12,041
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Like it was horrible for me. So like

1394
00:54:12,041 --> 00:54:14,041
Speaker 6: those times when I was in those shoe sell or

1395
00:54:14,161 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 6: like just salter with nothing like yeah, I felt every

1396
00:54:17,121 --> 00:54:18,761
Speaker 6: second I couldn't take a minute of my.

1397
00:54:19,161 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 5: Peace need to read.

1398
00:54:20,241 --> 00:54:22,681
Speaker 6: Yeah, because even I'm reading, I'm scattering thinking when the

1399
00:54:22,681 --> 00:54:23,921
Speaker 6: fun I'm gonna get out of here and I can't

1400
00:54:23,921 --> 00:54:24,881
Speaker 6: think about nothing else, you know.

1401
00:54:24,961 --> 00:54:26,241
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't even trying to.

1402
00:54:26,161 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: Read moving forward from that, because there is so much

1403
00:54:29,001 --> 00:54:31,961
Speaker 4: more to who you are and what you're about today

1404
00:54:31,961 --> 00:54:35,121
Speaker 4: and what makes me really prouder. I guess to talk

1405
00:54:35,161 --> 00:54:39,561
Speaker 4: about this next part is you know you you didn't read,

1406
00:54:40,201 --> 00:54:41,961
Speaker 4: but yet you're an award winning author.

1407
00:54:42,441 --> 00:54:44,641
Speaker 5: I mean that right there. That is commendable.

1408
00:54:44,761 --> 00:54:48,001
Speaker 7: That is huge thank you's, and you know it's it's

1409
00:54:48,081 --> 00:54:50,881
Speaker 7: cool because a couple of things I'm most proud about

1410
00:54:50,961 --> 00:54:53,801
Speaker 7: with that stuff, and that my obviously my son and

1411
00:54:53,841 --> 00:54:56,801
Speaker 7: my wife or my hands down most prior and joy

1412
00:54:56,881 --> 00:54:58,481
Speaker 7: like I don't know how like I have anxiety every

1413
00:54:58,561 --> 00:54:59,761
Speaker 7: day like how I pulled the shot off and I

1414
00:54:59,841 --> 00:55:02,201
Speaker 7: keep like and it seriously gives me anxiety, like think this.

1415
00:55:02,401 --> 00:55:04,801
Speaker 6: This, this, I gotta wake up when there's no fucking

1416
00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:07,881
Speaker 6: winning my life now, you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

1417
00:55:07,881 --> 00:55:10,481
Speaker 6: and that's that's seriously what I what I think about

1418
00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:11,481
Speaker 6: daily with them.

1419
00:55:12,041 --> 00:55:14,041
Speaker 1: But my book is you.

1420
00:55:14,001 --> 00:55:16,401
Speaker 6: Know, it's cool because I got out, so they said,

1421
00:55:16,481 --> 00:55:19,561
Speaker 6: my last eleven months in out here in Arizona, I

1422
00:55:19,641 --> 00:55:23,921
Speaker 6: was in solitary confinement again under investigation for attempt to murder.

1423
00:55:25,441 --> 00:55:27,641
Speaker 6: They didn't stabbed the dude, but they said I'd called

1424
00:55:27,641 --> 00:55:29,561
Speaker 6: the shot on the guy that got throw us to

1425
00:55:29,561 --> 00:55:29,961
Speaker 6: the NIE.

1426
00:55:30,681 --> 00:55:33,441
Speaker 5: And that's because of your your your position in that.

1427
00:55:35,121 --> 00:55:37,601
Speaker 6: And so I sign my last eleven months in there,

1428
00:55:37,681 --> 00:55:40,481
Speaker 6: and I remember telling them the SSU officers, which those

1429
00:55:40,481 --> 00:55:42,001
Speaker 6: are like the gang detectives in there, So if you're

1430
00:55:42,001 --> 00:55:44,641
Speaker 6: getting book, it's the SSU cops. So I remember telling

1431
00:55:44,681 --> 00:55:46,921
Speaker 6: them like, yo, like when am I getting out of here?

1432
00:55:46,961 --> 00:55:49,241
Speaker 6: You know, like I'm going home after twelve years, Like

1433
00:55:49,481 --> 00:55:51,081
Speaker 6: I told him, like you can't expect me to like

1434
00:55:51,121 --> 00:55:54,321
Speaker 6: make it from salitary confinement and then just like get

1435
00:55:54,321 --> 00:55:55,521
Speaker 6: it when I got out on the streets. You know,

1436
00:55:56,441 --> 00:55:58,201
Speaker 6: that's how naive I was. And they're like, we don't

1437
00:55:58,241 --> 00:56:00,681
Speaker 6: give a ship. They're like miss They're like, miss my off,

1438
00:56:00,681 --> 00:56:02,241
Speaker 6: we're done with you. Like we're gonna let their That's

1439
00:56:02,241 --> 00:56:04,041
Speaker 6: what they told me for They're like, we're gonna let

1440
00:56:04,081 --> 00:56:05,441
Speaker 6: the streets have their luck with you. We're done with

1441
00:56:05,481 --> 00:56:07,241
Speaker 6: her in here. You're gonna sit in this cell until

1442
00:56:07,241 --> 00:56:08,881
Speaker 6: you go home, like whenever it is you. But you

1443
00:56:08,881 --> 00:56:10,521
Speaker 6: will not leave that cell till you go home. And

1444
00:56:10,561 --> 00:56:11,841
Speaker 6: that's what they said. They said, they're gonna let the

1445
00:56:11,881 --> 00:56:14,521
Speaker 6: streets be done with me. So like I made up this,

1446
00:56:15,441 --> 00:56:17,161
Speaker 6: you know, Like I when I came down, I always

1447
00:56:17,161 --> 00:56:18,801
Speaker 6: had to overcompensate, you know, because I was from I

1448
00:56:18,881 --> 00:56:20,121
Speaker 6: with two and I was a little pretty boy, you know,

1449
00:56:20,161 --> 00:56:22,001
Speaker 6: and so I was like, I remember, like the OG's

1450
00:56:22,041 --> 00:56:23,561
Speaker 6: on the yard, like the gangs, Like even the cops

1451
00:56:23,601 --> 00:56:25,201
Speaker 6: would say, oh, you know they hear so and sols

1452
00:56:25,241 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 6: hitting the yard, and you know, like the.

1453
00:56:26,361 --> 00:56:27,241
Speaker 1: Cops were talking about it.

1454
00:56:27,281 --> 00:56:29,681
Speaker 6: I remember, like I just want to be one of

1455
00:56:29,681 --> 00:56:31,761
Speaker 6: those dudes where like fucking cops are scared and they

1456
00:56:31,961 --> 00:56:33,841
Speaker 6: hear myer house hitting the yard. That was my whole

1457
00:56:33,881 --> 00:56:35,921
Speaker 6: goal when I when I started putting a work in prison,

1458
00:56:35,961 --> 00:56:40,721
Speaker 6: you know. And now to have had that reputation and

1459
00:56:40,841 --> 00:56:44,281
Speaker 6: some and instead of that now like I'll get random

1460
00:56:44,321 --> 00:56:46,641
Speaker 6: emails or like cop will send me a message on Facebook,

1461
00:56:46,681 --> 00:56:49,081
Speaker 6: you know, and like dude, can't believe your podcast on

1462
00:56:49,081 --> 00:56:50,761
Speaker 6: the tablets in here, you know. And it's like so

1463
00:56:50,841 --> 00:56:52,841
Speaker 6: now my book is on the library and the prison

1464
00:56:52,921 --> 00:56:55,241
Speaker 6: and my podcast is on the tablets in there, and

1465
00:56:55,281 --> 00:56:56,441
Speaker 6: they're hearing it from.

1466
00:56:56,201 --> 00:56:57,681
Speaker 1: Now where think about this.

1467
00:56:57,721 --> 00:56:59,401
Speaker 6: So there's dudes that were sitting in s me too

1468
00:56:59,401 --> 00:57:01,601
Speaker 6: when I was there, not only like think if they

1469
00:57:01,641 --> 00:57:03,241
Speaker 6: could have been on the yard when I'm calling the

1470
00:57:03,241 --> 00:57:05,161
Speaker 6: shops and then ten years later now that this a

1471
00:57:05,281 --> 00:57:07,641
Speaker 6: podcast and I'm telling them how dumb oh that shit

1472
00:57:07,761 --> 00:57:09,881
Speaker 6: I did was and which it calls change your life

1473
00:57:09,921 --> 00:57:11,481
Speaker 6: and being productive. Like that's why it's going to make

1474
00:57:11,481 --> 00:57:13,521
Speaker 6: such an impact for those guys now because like I

1475
00:57:13,601 --> 00:57:15,041
Speaker 6: live that fucking life. They know that, you know what

1476
00:57:15,041 --> 00:57:17,041
Speaker 6: I'm saying. I live that life more to the tea

1477
00:57:17,081 --> 00:57:18,321
Speaker 6: than they did. You know what I'm saying. If I'm

1478
00:57:18,321 --> 00:57:20,121
Speaker 6: telling you this is where it's at, this is where it's.

1479
00:57:19,961 --> 00:57:23,761
Speaker 4: At, I think that's phenomenal. And the you know, like

1480
00:57:23,761 --> 00:57:26,041
Speaker 4: like I said, you know that's credit to you. And

1481
00:57:27,201 --> 00:57:31,281
Speaker 4: giving back is one thing, but actually physically engaging it

1482
00:57:31,361 --> 00:57:34,321
Speaker 4: and making that conscious effort to be able to make

1483
00:57:34,481 --> 00:57:38,001
Speaker 4: change is huge because it's hard for us to be

1484
00:57:38,081 --> 00:57:42,641
Speaker 4: accepted and for us to, I guess, find out our

1485
00:57:42,721 --> 00:57:46,521
Speaker 4: place because it is hard coming out not knowing where

1486
00:57:46,561 --> 00:57:48,561
Speaker 4: you really stand in society, or a man that's just

1487
00:57:48,601 --> 00:57:51,161
Speaker 4: done you know what we call what was what was life?

1488
00:57:51,201 --> 00:57:52,921
Speaker 4: Ten years As I said in the start, you know,

1489
00:57:52,961 --> 00:57:55,761
Speaker 4: ten years of brick that was life. It's no longer obviously,

1490
00:57:55,801 --> 00:57:58,841
Speaker 4: but it's a long fucking time. You know, you are

1491
00:57:59,001 --> 00:58:04,401
Speaker 4: mentally physically acclimatized to jail life, and it's every day

1492
00:58:04,521 --> 00:58:08,281
Speaker 4: coming out. You're literally wired to what's going on. Your

1493
00:58:08,321 --> 00:58:10,681
Speaker 4: ears are wide open, your eyes are wide open, you

1494
00:58:10,761 --> 00:58:13,401
Speaker 4: do not relax, and at all times you're ready to go.

1495
00:58:13,841 --> 00:58:17,361
Speaker 4: You can't live like that outside. I mean, yeah, let's

1496
00:58:17,361 --> 00:58:19,881
Speaker 4: be honest, A lot of it does come out with us.

1497
00:58:20,201 --> 00:58:25,121
Speaker 4: And I know myself that I'm very alert everywhere I go,

1498
00:58:25,321 --> 00:58:26,041
Speaker 4: no matter what I do.

1499
00:58:26,161 --> 00:58:28,921
Speaker 5: Not for any need or paranoia or anything. It's just embedded.

1500
00:58:29,081 --> 00:58:33,281
Speaker 5: That's just how it is. You know, you just become

1501
00:58:33,321 --> 00:58:36,841
Speaker 5: that person. But is it a bad thing? No, because

1502
00:58:36,881 --> 00:58:39,881
Speaker 5: I feel that it's enabled me to be a better man,

1503
00:58:42,201 --> 00:58:45,921
Speaker 5: you know, bringing the positive out of a negative.

1504
00:58:46,561 --> 00:58:47,281
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1505
00:58:49,441 --> 00:58:52,241
Speaker 5: How does that work for you? Like, do you feel

1506
00:58:52,481 --> 00:58:53,521
Speaker 5: like when you're I.

1507
00:58:53,481 --> 00:58:57,921
Speaker 4: Guess somewhere where you know something kick off, like you

1508
00:58:58,081 --> 00:59:00,281
Speaker 4: CeNSE it because obviously you would be big on body

1509
00:59:00,361 --> 00:59:04,601
Speaker 4: language reading and you know back, but your back's always

1510
00:59:04,641 --> 00:59:06,161
Speaker 4: in the court, you know, you walk out.

1511
00:59:06,201 --> 00:59:07,241
Speaker 5: I still to this day.

1512
00:59:07,321 --> 00:59:10,521
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, you scan the room before people even know,

1513
00:59:10,641 --> 00:59:13,041
Speaker 4: you know, who's who in the room and what's what's

1514
00:59:13,081 --> 00:59:13,921
Speaker 4: what within.

1515
00:59:14,161 --> 00:59:16,241
Speaker 6: And what's funny is my family is to drive them

1516
00:59:16,321 --> 00:59:17,841
Speaker 6: nuts and they be like pay attention to me or

1517
00:59:17,881 --> 00:59:19,121
Speaker 6: this and that, you know, and like when I'm out

1518
00:59:19,121 --> 00:59:20,641
Speaker 6: to because I'm like I always put my back and

1519
00:59:20,681 --> 00:59:21,961
Speaker 6: so I'm looking at everything.

1520
00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:23,521
Speaker 1: The whole time. And it's still to this day I

1521
00:59:23,641 --> 00:59:24,041
Speaker 1: do that, you know.

1522
00:59:24,081 --> 00:59:26,241
Speaker 6: And it's like they got to the point where at

1523
00:59:26,281 --> 00:59:27,641
Speaker 6: least the stop bitching about it, you know, and they

1524
00:59:27,681 --> 00:59:29,041
Speaker 6: just like make jokes about it now because I'm like

1525
00:59:29,081 --> 00:59:30,521
Speaker 6: I'm not. I can't help it, Like it is what

1526
00:59:30,561 --> 00:59:32,481
Speaker 6: it is, like, this is there's no way to not

1527
00:59:32,521 --> 00:59:33,121
Speaker 6: be this one.

1528
00:59:33,041 --> 00:59:35,961
Speaker 4: With your book? What what what is actually in the book?

1529
00:59:36,321 --> 00:59:39,001
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it and what are we reading on?

1530
00:59:40,121 --> 00:59:40,321
Speaker 5: You know.

1531
00:59:40,721 --> 00:59:43,481
Speaker 6: So it's it's the longer version. Yeah, it's the longer

1532
00:59:43,561 --> 00:59:46,081
Speaker 6: version of my full story. And then like really really

1533
00:59:46,081 --> 00:59:48,201
Speaker 6: how I grew up and like it's it's more in

1534
00:59:48,241 --> 00:59:52,081
Speaker 6: depth and details, full like autobiography. And then it's like

1535
00:59:52,121 --> 00:59:55,121
Speaker 6: I got you know, like positive shit that I've learned

1536
00:59:55,201 --> 00:59:57,281
Speaker 6: from prison, you know, and I put all my own

1537
00:59:57,281 --> 00:59:58,961
Speaker 6: twists and I wanted people to like listen to that

1538
00:59:59,001 --> 01:00:01,241
Speaker 6: book and like think or read that book and think

1539
01:00:01,241 --> 01:00:03,201
Speaker 6: that they can take on the world and they can

1540
01:00:03,201 --> 01:00:04,001
Speaker 6: achieve anything.

1541
01:00:04,321 --> 01:00:06,281
Speaker 1: And then once you get don't reading that book, not only.

1542
01:00:06,081 --> 01:00:08,481
Speaker 6: Do you feel more gratitude because like you here how

1543
01:00:08,521 --> 01:00:10,721
Speaker 6: fucked up my life was and how great my life

1544
01:00:10,761 --> 01:00:13,441
Speaker 6: is now. And like it's said, like I talked about

1545
01:00:13,441 --> 01:00:16,121
Speaker 6: before with Marvin, like it makes you think, like, holy shit,

1546
01:00:16,161 --> 01:00:17,521
Speaker 6: what the fuck was I bitched about it? Like I

1547
01:00:17,561 --> 01:00:19,521
Speaker 6: thought I had this problem, you know, or like I

1548
01:00:19,561 --> 01:00:21,121
Speaker 6: was bitching I couldn't get this job because I didn't

1549
01:00:21,121 --> 01:00:22,561
Speaker 6: have a college degree. So like this dude had an

1550
01:00:22,561 --> 01:00:24,761
Speaker 6: eighth good education did this so like I wanted to

1551
01:00:24,881 --> 01:00:27,161
Speaker 6: unlock new potential of people, you know, like the biggest

1552
01:00:27,201 --> 01:00:30,761
Speaker 6: thing that they do. Yeah, so please, if you would

1553
01:00:31,081 --> 01:00:33,241
Speaker 6: on Amazon against all ours of it, please do go

1554
01:00:33,281 --> 01:00:35,041
Speaker 6: buy my book, read it and shoot me a DMN

1555
01:00:35,041 --> 01:00:36,241
Speaker 6: afterwards at what do you think about it?

1556
01:00:36,281 --> 01:00:38,401
Speaker 1: Please? And then yeah, yeah, yeah, let me know.

1557
01:00:38,401 --> 01:00:38,801
Speaker 5: What you think.

1558
01:00:39,481 --> 01:00:41,801
Speaker 4: We link it in with my socials, bro, We'll make

1559
01:00:41,841 --> 01:00:43,641
Speaker 4: sure that we can get it out there, and we'll

1560
01:00:43,681 --> 01:00:45,601
Speaker 4: promote it as much as we can for you and

1561
01:00:45,641 --> 01:00:48,281
Speaker 4: help you, you know, like because I feel that you know,

1562
01:00:48,601 --> 01:00:51,121
Speaker 4: these these books are good reads. And you know, I've

1563
01:00:51,161 --> 01:00:53,361
Speaker 4: had a lot of guests that have come on, some

1564
01:00:53,481 --> 01:00:56,401
Speaker 4: that are still here and some that have passed, some

1565
01:00:56,441 --> 01:00:57,801
Speaker 4: real ogs that wrote.

1566
01:00:57,961 --> 01:01:00,081
Speaker 6: I have buddies that know me, like I've had friends,

1567
01:01:00,161 --> 01:01:04,641
Speaker 6: no joke friends that got the book. And my buddy

1568
01:01:04,721 --> 01:01:06,521
Speaker 6: Josh Dwayne, who's that He's a really big dude. You

1569
01:01:06,521 --> 01:01:08,681
Speaker 6: could look him up too. And he literally got the

1570
01:01:08,681 --> 01:01:11,481
Speaker 6: book one day and read it two days straight and

1571
01:01:11,561 --> 01:01:13,241
Speaker 6: was like, literally send me a video of him. Dude,

1572
01:01:13,281 --> 01:01:15,121
Speaker 6: he was like literally walking through the airport read it

1573
01:01:15,121 --> 01:01:16,561
Speaker 6: still he's walking. He goes, oh my god, I'm mad

1574
01:01:16,601 --> 01:01:18,281
Speaker 6: this parbab. I can't put this book down, like literally

1575
01:01:18,321 --> 01:01:19,121
Speaker 6: just back.

1576
01:01:18,961 --> 01:01:19,441
Speaker 5: To back like that.

1577
01:01:19,681 --> 01:01:21,521
Speaker 1: And he knows me, he knows my story. So like

1578
01:01:21,841 --> 01:01:23,121
Speaker 1: it's just more in depth than everything.

1579
01:01:23,121 --> 01:01:27,161
Speaker 6: And I co wrote with another actual author to make

1580
01:01:27,201 --> 01:01:29,641
Speaker 6: it real professional and stuff. And it's a great book.

1581
01:01:29,641 --> 01:01:31,481
Speaker 6: I got seller two months after he was out, and

1582
01:01:31,481 --> 01:01:33,241
Speaker 6: the two things. And I'm like I said, most proudly

1583
01:01:33,241 --> 01:01:35,521
Speaker 6: besides that is my podcast and that because you know,

1584
01:01:35,561 --> 01:01:38,001
Speaker 6: the podcast changes so many lives on the streets and

1585
01:01:38,041 --> 01:01:40,121
Speaker 6: in prison. You know, like I wake up to dms

1586
01:01:40,161 --> 01:01:42,361
Speaker 6: every day from all over the country of different prisons

1587
01:01:42,361 --> 01:01:43,841
Speaker 6: that were like, holy shit, I just this this I

1588
01:01:43,921 --> 01:01:45,601
Speaker 6: just got out, or oh my god, I was listening

1589
01:01:45,681 --> 01:01:46,681
Speaker 6: on the podcast in the tables.

1590
01:01:46,681 --> 01:01:48,081
Speaker 1: I can't do. This is really you, you know.

1591
01:01:48,161 --> 01:01:49,961
Speaker 6: And it's like and I talked and I talked to

1592
01:01:49,961 --> 01:01:52,241
Speaker 6: all of them, Like I said this, I talked to

1593
01:01:52,241 --> 01:01:53,481
Speaker 6: all of them until I get too big sore. I

1594
01:01:53,481 --> 01:01:54,681
Speaker 6: can't talk to all of them, you know what I'm saying.

1595
01:01:54,681 --> 01:01:56,921
Speaker 6: But like I give him, like I'm I'm the people's people, bro.

1596
01:01:57,001 --> 01:01:59,801
Speaker 6: So like I said, like God saved my life to

1597
01:01:59,881 --> 01:02:01,441
Speaker 6: give the rest away, you know what I'm saying, Like

1598
01:02:01,521 --> 01:02:03,401
Speaker 6: I've I've I should have been dead so many times

1599
01:02:03,401 --> 01:02:05,641
Speaker 6: and my last fetanalvals when I was dead and he

1600
01:02:05,681 --> 01:02:06,561
Speaker 6: brought me back to life.

1601
01:02:06,921 --> 01:02:08,401
Speaker 1: He saved my life to do this mission.

1602
01:02:08,521 --> 01:02:11,561
Speaker 6: And like I'm doing people at disservice if I don't,

1603
01:02:11,601 --> 01:02:14,161
Speaker 6: and like I shouldn't have had any money or any time,

1604
01:02:14,241 --> 01:02:16,721
Speaker 6: so I give up all my time to anybody that

1605
01:02:16,801 --> 01:02:20,441
Speaker 6: needs it. And like I'm the most generous person, especially

1606
01:02:20,441 --> 01:02:22,201
Speaker 6: when dudes getting out of prison or whatever, Like I

1607
01:02:22,361 --> 01:02:24,281
Speaker 6: like seriously, because I shouldn't have shit, But I always

1608
01:02:24,361 --> 01:02:27,481
Speaker 6: keep that mindset and the second I feel my mindset,

1609
01:02:27,001 --> 01:02:29,561
Speaker 6: I'm stem back ten ten times backwards.

1610
01:02:29,561 --> 01:02:29,721
Speaker 4: You know.

1611
01:02:29,881 --> 01:02:30,801
Speaker 5: I respect that.

1612
01:02:31,241 --> 01:02:32,961
Speaker 1: I respect that ipally other and I was like, I

1613
01:02:33,001 --> 01:02:33,961
Speaker 1: was like, I love some lady.

1614
01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:36,081
Speaker 6: I don't remember it was, but it wasn't even crazy

1615
01:02:36,121 --> 01:02:38,921
Speaker 6: like fifty bucks something like that, and I it was

1616
01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:40,241
Speaker 6: someone that was struggling like that. And I told him,

1617
01:02:40,241 --> 01:02:41,961
Speaker 6: was like, listen, I shouldn't have ship. I should be

1618
01:02:42,081 --> 01:02:44,521
Speaker 6: just like you, like some fucking miracle. I have this money,

1619
01:02:44,641 --> 01:02:46,121
Speaker 6: like please just take it from you, know what I'm saying.

1620
01:02:46,401 --> 01:02:48,041
Speaker 6: And that's how I live life. I shouldn't have shit,

1621
01:02:48,121 --> 01:02:49,761
Speaker 6: and like if you don't, and I feel like it's

1622
01:02:49,801 --> 01:02:52,081
Speaker 6: a it's good to do that and have that mindset.

1623
01:02:52,121 --> 01:02:52,281
Speaker 1: You know.

1624
01:02:52,281 --> 01:02:57,641
Speaker 6: It's like the only like I'm all about being confident.

1625
01:02:58,001 --> 01:03:00,681
Speaker 6: I'm on the borderline of cocky and confident. But you

1626
01:03:00,721 --> 01:03:03,201
Speaker 6: always got to be hump with you Know what I'm

1627
01:03:03,201 --> 01:03:05,761
Speaker 6: saying that you just always remember you come.

1628
01:03:05,881 --> 01:03:08,401
Speaker 5: I love it, I love it. But you're humble. You're

1629
01:03:08,521 --> 01:03:09,081
Speaker 5: very humble.

1630
01:03:09,121 --> 01:03:12,121
Speaker 4: I will and we've had chats offline, so I can

1631
01:03:12,161 --> 01:03:14,601
Speaker 4: honestly say you you're a very humble man, and you're

1632
01:03:14,601 --> 01:03:15,601
Speaker 4: an inquisitive man.

1633
01:03:16,761 --> 01:03:18,001
Speaker 6: I'm a good person more than anything, you know what

1634
01:03:18,001 --> 01:03:20,361
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Like I don't like to the core, not

1635
01:03:20,401 --> 01:03:22,081
Speaker 6: only because here's how I look at it now that

1636
01:03:22,081 --> 01:03:25,081
Speaker 6: I have a relationship with God, Like not only am

1637
01:03:25,081 --> 01:03:27,121
Speaker 6: I a good person to my wife and to my kids,

1638
01:03:27,121 --> 01:03:29,201
Speaker 6: but like I'm an even better person when I'm not

1639
01:03:29,241 --> 01:03:30,561
Speaker 6: around them, you know. And I don't shoot on my

1640
01:03:30,561 --> 01:03:32,681
Speaker 6: fucking wife, and I don't fucking do disrespectful shit to

1641
01:03:32,721 --> 01:03:36,241
Speaker 6: women on Instagram to there, and like I'm a great son,

1642
01:03:36,401 --> 01:03:37,961
Speaker 6: like the best father to my son.

1643
01:03:38,081 --> 01:03:39,001
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I.

1644
01:03:38,961 --> 01:03:42,041
Speaker 6: Wouldn't like I wouldn't smoke a cigaretron him. I wouldn't

1645
01:03:42,041 --> 01:03:43,481
Speaker 6: do anything in front of him that I wouldn't want

1646
01:03:43,481 --> 01:03:44,921
Speaker 6: my son to doing. And he's grown up too, you know,

1647
01:03:45,121 --> 01:03:46,681
Speaker 6: Like I take pride in that, you know, Like I

1648
01:03:46,801 --> 01:03:49,161
Speaker 6: changed more diapers than my wife when I'm at home.

1649
01:03:49,361 --> 01:03:51,361
Speaker 5: I don't care how proud you are, look how proud,

1650
01:03:51,401 --> 01:03:54,281
Speaker 5: well yeah cool, I don't care how long love that.

1651
01:03:54,361 --> 01:03:56,121
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's exactly what I feel now.

1652
01:03:56,401 --> 01:03:59,561
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I've always talked about sobriety more and I

1653
01:03:59,681 --> 01:04:02,641
Speaker 6: feel like I have such a calling out to like

1654
01:04:03,481 --> 01:04:04,321
Speaker 6: sobriety is what it is.

1655
01:04:04,321 --> 01:04:05,161
Speaker 1: But like I said once, you get.

1656
01:04:05,161 --> 01:04:07,241
Speaker 6: Sober disober, then you've got to do more shit than that.

1657
01:04:07,281 --> 01:04:10,081
Speaker 6: Like I'm I just take such pride and how good

1658
01:04:10,081 --> 01:04:13,841
Speaker 6: of a dad I am and I I wasn't raised

1659
01:04:13,841 --> 01:04:16,641
Speaker 6: by the best dat you know, And that's just it is.

1660
01:04:16,601 --> 01:04:16,961
Speaker 4: What it is.

1661
01:04:17,001 --> 01:04:18,441
Speaker 1: You know, you don't even I want to.

1662
01:04:18,441 --> 01:04:19,961
Speaker 4: I want to ask you something, Peter, and when you

1663
01:04:19,961 --> 01:04:22,921
Speaker 4: talk about sobriety, because we haven't really touched too much

1664
01:04:22,961 --> 01:04:25,641
Speaker 4: on it, we didn't, you know, obviously suggested that you

1665
01:04:25,681 --> 01:04:29,401
Speaker 4: got into the drugs in your earlier years. But that

1666
01:04:29,601 --> 01:04:32,561
Speaker 4: was so much more to your life the drugs, wasn't it.

1667
01:04:32,801 --> 01:04:35,161
Speaker 4: You were a full blown addict. You were an addict

1668
01:04:35,201 --> 01:04:38,481
Speaker 4: in jail, like you just said, Fenton All overdose.

1669
01:04:38,521 --> 01:04:40,721
Speaker 6: So I mean almost last month, Marri, you see that

1670
01:04:40,761 --> 01:04:44,121
Speaker 6: scar right there, almost got it with one arm. That

1671
01:04:44,201 --> 01:04:45,641
Speaker 6: was right before I went away too, like a year

1672
01:04:45,681 --> 01:04:47,721
Speaker 6: before I got on almost last my arm.

1673
01:04:48,121 --> 01:04:51,161
Speaker 5: What was it like using in jail? I mean, I

1674
01:04:51,521 --> 01:04:53,161
Speaker 5: know what would okay?

1675
01:04:53,241 --> 01:04:56,841
Speaker 4: So here's free it's called remissions where you just free.

1676
01:04:57,161 --> 01:04:58,921
Speaker 4: You're in jail, but you're not in jail, you know.

1677
01:04:59,001 --> 01:05:00,241
Speaker 4: And this is why Ron will.

1678
01:05:00,241 --> 01:05:01,281
Speaker 1: Well And that's what I say.

1679
01:05:01,321 --> 01:05:03,201
Speaker 6: Now, Like I've been having such a hard time because

1680
01:05:03,241 --> 01:05:05,321
Speaker 6: and I'll be real, and I just only told a

1681
01:05:05,361 --> 01:05:07,041
Speaker 6: couple of people this later. But I'm just I choose

1682
01:05:07,081 --> 01:05:10,241
Speaker 6: to be a completely open book. And like I always

1683
01:05:10,321 --> 01:05:12,961
Speaker 6: thought that it's so sick to even say this, But

1684
01:05:12,961 --> 01:05:13,881
Speaker 6: like I always thought.

1685
01:05:13,761 --> 01:05:14,921
Speaker 1: No matter how.

1686
01:05:16,201 --> 01:05:18,041
Speaker 6: Successful I made it, or how much money I made

1687
01:05:18,081 --> 01:05:20,521
Speaker 6: or where what peak I got to, I'd always one

1688
01:05:20,561 --> 01:05:23,721
Speaker 6: day either fuck it up or just smoke myself because

1689
01:05:24,801 --> 01:05:26,681
Speaker 6: life is stressful as fuck, I hear, you know, And

1690
01:05:26,761 --> 01:05:28,521
Speaker 6: like the one thing, like I said, that's why I said,

1691
01:05:28,521 --> 01:05:30,321
Speaker 6: I cold feel bipolaric sometimes because like I had the

1692
01:05:30,321 --> 01:05:31,921
Speaker 6: best life on earth. But like, dude, I have so

1693
01:05:32,001 --> 01:05:35,281
Speaker 6: much stress that you can tell you right now, you know.

1694
01:05:35,361 --> 01:05:37,561
Speaker 6: And like I'll tell you one thing that's not stressful.

1695
01:05:38,041 --> 01:05:42,441
Speaker 6: Sitting on a four yard shooting Heroin, having your youngster

1696
01:05:42,681 --> 01:05:45,321
Speaker 6: cook for you, through your laundry, do whatever.

1697
01:05:45,721 --> 01:05:45,961
Speaker 1: I mean.

1698
01:05:45,961 --> 01:05:47,721
Speaker 6: You only have twelve TV channels, but you're sitting there

1699
01:05:47,801 --> 01:05:50,841
Speaker 6: just watching the TV channels, and like it's it's not stressful.

1700
01:05:50,881 --> 01:05:51,481
Speaker 1: What's stressful?

1701
01:05:51,481 --> 01:05:53,641
Speaker 6: It is, like I said, being a great dat being

1702
01:05:53,641 --> 01:05:56,121
Speaker 6: faithful to your wife, and this temptation everywhere, like being

1703
01:05:56,921 --> 01:05:58,841
Speaker 6: the same person that whether if it's God was in

1704
01:05:58,841 --> 01:06:00,041
Speaker 6: front of me, our wife was in front of me.

1705
01:06:00,041 --> 01:06:01,121
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, it's like, and then when

1706
01:06:01,161 --> 01:06:03,161
Speaker 6: I'm wrong, realizing that I'm wrong, and like fixing shit.

1707
01:06:03,201 --> 01:06:05,921
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, it's it's like, and then

1708
01:06:05,961 --> 01:06:08,161
Speaker 6: dealing with emotion where not not only I've never even

1709
01:06:08,201 --> 01:06:09,641
Speaker 6: dealt with emotion before, because I didn't know that.

1710
01:06:09,721 --> 01:06:10,561
Speaker 1: When I was in prison, I.

1711
01:06:10,561 --> 01:06:12,161
Speaker 6: Just snapped on everybody, you know what I'm saying, or

1712
01:06:12,241 --> 01:06:14,081
Speaker 6: like if I got upset, I'd go get high.

1713
01:06:14,081 --> 01:06:14,881
Speaker 1: So I have never.

1714
01:06:14,761 --> 01:06:18,481
Speaker 6: Properly known how to deal with like being uncomfortable, which

1715
01:06:18,481 --> 01:06:19,961
Speaker 6: is what I am having to learn right now at

1716
01:06:19,961 --> 01:06:21,761
Speaker 6: forty years old with a kid already, you know, and

1717
01:06:21,801 --> 01:06:23,481
Speaker 6: I'm like, fuck, I'm gonna fuck this up, you know.

1718
01:06:23,961 --> 01:06:27,041
Speaker 6: But now that I don't have that seriously, like now

1719
01:06:27,041 --> 01:06:28,721
Speaker 6: that I have a son and a wife and another

1720
01:06:28,801 --> 01:06:30,921
Speaker 6: son coming like any day, like, and now that I

1721
01:06:31,081 --> 01:06:33,801
Speaker 6: that's not an option to smoke myself or to die

1722
01:06:33,921 --> 01:06:36,681
Speaker 6: or to like it's it's to be honest, it's terrifying.

1723
01:06:37,121 --> 01:06:40,361
Speaker 6: And it's all because like another thing, what another plan

1724
01:06:40,401 --> 01:06:42,001
Speaker 6: that I had was, I was like, I'm just gonna

1725
01:06:42,001 --> 01:06:44,961
Speaker 6: go commit some crimes and some other who I say,

1726
01:06:45,041 --> 01:06:47,041
Speaker 6: like Alaska that has a laxass prison. I do the

1727
01:06:47,041 --> 01:06:48,281
Speaker 6: rest of my life in there like that and just

1728
01:06:48,361 --> 01:06:50,601
Speaker 6: chilling and have no stress of doing rest. But those

1729
01:06:50,641 --> 01:06:52,361
Speaker 6: are my mindsets, Like that's what I thought I'd eventually

1730
01:06:52,401 --> 01:06:54,121
Speaker 6: end up doing, you know, and now that like I

1731
01:06:54,161 --> 01:06:58,041
Speaker 6: know that's not an option anymore whatsoever. It's like I'll

1732
01:06:58,081 --> 01:07:01,561
Speaker 6: be really it's kind of scary, and I'm working through.

1733
01:07:01,441 --> 01:07:03,361
Speaker 1: It as we speak. Like I said, I've been doing

1734
01:07:03,441 --> 01:07:04,281
Speaker 1: just a lot of self work.

1735
01:07:04,361 --> 01:07:06,361
Speaker 6: Later that I havn't done any podcast or anything for

1736
01:07:06,401 --> 01:07:08,881
Speaker 6: almost two years now, and I've just been doing the

1737
01:07:08,881 --> 01:07:10,401
Speaker 6: family stuff. But like I said, I'm at a point

1738
01:07:10,401 --> 01:07:12,081
Speaker 6: now where I feel like this helps me as much

1739
01:07:12,081 --> 01:07:13,761
Speaker 6: as it helps people listen to this too, you know.

1740
01:07:13,881 --> 01:07:16,561
Speaker 6: So this is the first one getting back out of.

1741
01:07:16,481 --> 01:07:19,041
Speaker 5: There, and oh mate, and thank you again.

1742
01:07:19,161 --> 01:07:21,081
Speaker 4: And I just want to say, though, I think you know,

1743
01:07:21,801 --> 01:07:25,881
Speaker 4: when you hear what you just said, then you're constantly healing,

1744
01:07:26,281 --> 01:07:32,081
Speaker 4: You're constantly better in yourself, and you're always in a

1745
01:07:32,121 --> 01:07:37,441
Speaker 4: position where relapse is always very real. You're in recovery

1746
01:07:37,521 --> 01:07:40,201
Speaker 4: every day. You know, you don't just come out of

1747
01:07:40,201 --> 01:07:43,961
Speaker 4: addiction and just stops. Like you said, there's so many

1748
01:07:44,041 --> 01:07:48,121
Speaker 4: trigger points in life that can just for that moment

1749
01:07:48,281 --> 01:07:50,721
Speaker 4: say fuck it, I'm just gonna have one tickle, I'm

1750
01:07:50,761 --> 01:07:52,041
Speaker 4: just going to have a shot, I'm just going to

1751
01:07:52,081 --> 01:07:54,401
Speaker 4: have a smoke, whatever it might be, you know, like

1752
01:07:55,121 --> 01:07:57,281
Speaker 4: just to get over this little hurdle right now that

1753
01:07:57,441 --> 01:07:58,761
Speaker 4: I can't seem to see.

1754
01:07:58,681 --> 01:08:01,081
Speaker 5: The end of the line at and there's no light

1755
01:08:01,161 --> 01:08:02,721
Speaker 5: for me at this moment. But I know if I

1756
01:08:02,761 --> 01:08:05,961
Speaker 5: got high, I'll feel good. And you know what, Yeah,

1757
01:08:06,001 --> 01:08:08,241
Speaker 5: you're gonna feel good for that second, for that moment,

1758
01:08:08,281 --> 01:08:11,561
Speaker 5: for that heat, for that rush, but from beyond that,

1759
01:08:11,881 --> 01:08:13,161
Speaker 5: there's nothing good coming.

1760
01:08:13,721 --> 01:08:15,681
Speaker 6: And what's even worse than that is your problem doesn't

1761
01:08:15,681 --> 01:08:17,161
Speaker 6: go away. Your problems still there the next day, and

1762
01:08:17,201 --> 01:08:19,441
Speaker 6: then you wake up already having anxiety because you fucked

1763
01:08:19,521 --> 01:08:21,481
Speaker 6: up and you win against your word to yourself, and

1764
01:08:21,481 --> 01:08:23,561
Speaker 6: then only that you have anxiety because that fucking problem

1765
01:08:23,601 --> 01:08:24,961
Speaker 6: is still there, and not only that is probably a

1766
01:08:24,961 --> 01:08:27,081
Speaker 6: little bit worse the next day, and then you realize,

1767
01:08:27,121 --> 01:08:30,201
Speaker 6: like fucking getting high didn't do anything, And then you

1768
01:08:30,241 --> 01:08:33,441
Speaker 6: know what happens usually for me especially, I'm thinking about

1769
01:08:33,441 --> 01:08:35,441
Speaker 6: all those three right there, and I'm like, fuck it again.

1770
01:08:35,601 --> 01:08:37,121
Speaker 6: You know what, I'm saying, go right back to it.

1771
01:08:37,161 --> 01:08:38,921
Speaker 6: And then after two days of doing it, back on

1772
01:08:38,961 --> 01:08:39,441
Speaker 6: the streets.

1773
01:08:39,601 --> 01:08:42,601
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there guys, all your hard work, and they guys.

1774
01:08:42,801 --> 01:08:45,121
Speaker 6: Everything thrown away in that and I'm fucking blinking eye.

1775
01:08:45,281 --> 01:08:46,521
Speaker 6: And this is one thing I want to make this

1776
01:08:46,681 --> 01:08:48,481
Speaker 6: real clear to viewers and listeners like this, like this

1777
01:08:48,601 --> 01:08:50,801
Speaker 6: like the one good thing and the reason I've been

1778
01:08:50,841 --> 01:08:51,841
Speaker 6: able to get to where I am right now is

1779
01:08:51,841 --> 01:08:53,641
Speaker 6: because like, no matter what, I pause before I do

1780
01:08:53,681 --> 01:08:55,761
Speaker 6: anything rational, Like there's been times that I wanted to

1781
01:08:55,761 --> 01:08:57,921
Speaker 6: fucking relapse, but no matter what, I'm like, if it's

1782
01:08:57,961 --> 01:08:59,641
Speaker 6: the right move, I mean, it's gonna it's gonna be

1783
01:08:59,681 --> 01:09:01,361
Speaker 6: the right move when my emotion calms down. And that's

1784
01:09:01,361 --> 01:09:03,161
Speaker 6: the only thing that I've done completely right, is I've

1785
01:09:03,161 --> 01:09:04,561
Speaker 6: not made any crazy decisions.

1786
01:09:05,201 --> 01:09:05,881
Speaker 1: Because you can.

1787
01:09:05,761 --> 01:09:08,401
Speaker 6: Throw your fucking life away so fast, so quick, and

1788
01:09:08,441 --> 01:09:09,961
Speaker 6: be dead and literally a blink of an eye, and

1789
01:09:10,001 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 6: people don't realize that, Like these drugs are too strong nowadays,

1790
01:09:12,961 --> 01:09:14,961
Speaker 6: and like you can fucking like get a bad thought

1791
01:09:15,041 --> 01:09:17,961
Speaker 6: and then literally when two minutes go from having a

1792
01:09:17,961 --> 01:09:20,601
Speaker 6: fucking family and kids to being dead, like in your house,

1793
01:09:20,641 --> 01:09:23,321
Speaker 6: in your bathroom, Like it's that fast now the drugs

1794
01:09:23,321 --> 01:09:26,841
Speaker 6: are that powerful, and like people are depressed, Like it

1795
01:09:27,161 --> 01:09:29,521
Speaker 6: happens like that all the fucking time, and like that's

1796
01:09:29,521 --> 01:09:31,241
Speaker 6: why I just like want to urge people.

1797
01:09:31,001 --> 01:09:33,561
Speaker 1: Like if you think you got a bad you might

1798
01:09:33,641 --> 01:09:34,161
Speaker 1: right now.

1799
01:09:34,121 --> 01:09:35,681
Speaker 6: But it's not forever, you know what I'm saying, And

1800
01:09:35,721 --> 01:09:37,521
Speaker 6: just hold the fuck on, man, don't go drink and

1801
01:09:37,521 --> 01:09:39,281
Speaker 6: don't go use. It's only gonna make the problem wors

1802
01:09:39,321 --> 01:09:42,161
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like, figure it the fuck out, Seriously,

1803
01:09:42,201 --> 01:09:43,961
Speaker 6: figure it the fuck out. Sleep on a day, Like

1804
01:09:44,001 --> 01:09:46,001
Speaker 6: there's always a fucking answer, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1805
01:09:46,201 --> 01:09:47,921
Speaker 6: because now only can you set yourself as your sobriety

1806
01:09:47,921 --> 01:09:49,441
Speaker 6: back so far you can be dead and the blink

1807
01:09:49,481 --> 01:09:50,201
Speaker 6: of a fucking eye.

1808
01:09:50,441 --> 01:09:53,601
Speaker 5: Parents, And for all the listeners out there who have

1809
01:09:53,841 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 5: been there and experienced it and know better now, because

1810
01:09:57,801 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 5: we do know better, we do.

1811
01:09:59,681 --> 01:10:01,921
Speaker 4: Know the consequences, we know where we're going to end up.

1812
01:10:01,961 --> 01:10:05,641
Speaker 4: But as anyone way more dead than gile these days,

1813
01:10:05,681 --> 01:10:09,641
Speaker 4: you had a better chance of dying from overdosing than

1814
01:10:09,681 --> 01:10:11,881
Speaker 4: what you have of getting caught, because you know you're

1815
01:10:11,961 --> 01:10:13,761
Speaker 4: using for months and you're hanging out and you go

1816
01:10:13,801 --> 01:10:14,481
Speaker 4: commit a crime.

1817
01:10:14,881 --> 01:10:20,081
Speaker 5: You won't get to that point, you'll be dead. Is

1818
01:10:20,121 --> 01:10:24,281
Speaker 5: it worth it? It's not, you know, And life is good.

1819
01:10:24,521 --> 01:10:29,001
Speaker 5: Life is good. I just feel that you know what

1820
01:10:29,041 --> 01:10:32,001
Speaker 5: we are able to bring. And there's many other people

1821
01:10:32,001 --> 01:10:35,641
Speaker 5: out there like you and I that have a story.

1822
01:10:35,841 --> 01:10:38,561
Speaker 4: You know, your story is phenomenal, and you know the

1823
01:10:38,601 --> 01:10:42,001
Speaker 4: direction you're heading, and like, look how good you talk

1824
01:10:42,081 --> 01:10:44,721
Speaker 4: with such passion and such pride when you speak to

1825
01:10:44,801 --> 01:10:48,361
Speaker 4: your wife, your current child and one on the way,

1826
01:10:48,441 --> 01:10:51,561
Speaker 4: and your sobriety. That's an inspiration.

1827
01:10:53,521 --> 01:10:54,681
Speaker 1: It's cool, Thank you.

1828
01:10:55,841 --> 01:10:58,281
Speaker 5: It's a fun all think, but it's really cool.

1829
01:10:58,521 --> 01:11:00,321
Speaker 6: I'm just glad to be an inspiration for people, you

1830
01:11:00,361 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Like serious, I'm just beyond bleasted.

1831
01:11:03,921 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: God saved my life this and to be a beacon

1832
01:11:06,801 --> 01:11:09,481
Speaker 1: to hope for people and to be a.

1833
01:11:08,721 --> 01:11:11,761
Speaker 6: Positive message and a true just vision for people of

1834
01:11:11,841 --> 01:11:13,041
Speaker 6: what the fuck is possible?

1835
01:11:14,121 --> 01:11:15,481
Speaker 5: Speaking of what's possible?

1836
01:11:15,801 --> 01:11:18,521
Speaker 4: And I know that you know, obviously your focus is

1837
01:11:18,561 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 4: going to be around family for some time yet, and

1838
01:11:20,921 --> 01:11:22,841
Speaker 4: you know what a beautiful thing and what a gift

1839
01:11:22,841 --> 01:11:23,961
Speaker 4: from God that you have there.

1840
01:11:24,401 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 5: But what's Peter got in store? What are your visions?

1841
01:11:27,681 --> 01:11:30,281
Speaker 5: Where do you want to see yourself and what do

1842
01:11:30,321 --> 01:11:32,521
Speaker 5: you have ahead that's going to help people?

1843
01:11:33,241 --> 01:11:38,641
Speaker 6: My next my next goals, and I haven't I'm going

1844
01:11:38,681 --> 01:11:40,761
Speaker 6: to really put effort into doing this podcast again now,

1845
01:11:40,881 --> 01:11:42,401
Speaker 6: so I'm kicking my show back up, so I'd love

1846
01:11:42,401 --> 01:11:43,881
Speaker 6: to have you on it once I get going again.

1847
01:11:43,921 --> 01:11:46,201
Speaker 1: But I'm going to have one of the biggest podcasts

1848
01:11:46,201 --> 01:11:46,641
Speaker 1: in the world.

1849
01:11:46,681 --> 01:11:48,841
Speaker 6: I want to be the biggest traveling speaker that just

1850
01:11:48,881 --> 01:11:53,081
Speaker 6: speaks of crumbs prisons even in other countries, and I

1851
01:11:53,241 --> 01:11:56,241
Speaker 6: just more than anything I want to be I want

1852
01:11:56,281 --> 01:11:58,081
Speaker 6: to have a wife that, like in twenty years, is

1853
01:11:58,121 --> 01:12:00,041
Speaker 6: still in love with me, like years now, and my

1854
01:12:00,121 --> 01:12:02,481
Speaker 6: kids know that I was like the greatest dand ever

1855
01:12:02,521 --> 01:12:04,681
Speaker 6: and the best example that they've ever seen, and know

1856
01:12:04,721 --> 01:12:06,921
Speaker 6: that I've would do anything for them and just know

1857
01:12:07,001 --> 01:12:09,321
Speaker 6: they're like they could always count to me, and I

1858
01:12:09,361 --> 01:12:11,441
Speaker 6: was the best fucking human that they could ever look

1859
01:12:11,521 --> 01:12:11,721
Speaker 6: up to.

1860
01:12:11,921 --> 01:12:13,321
Speaker 1: That's what I saw. My kids wi look up to.

1861
01:12:13,321 --> 01:12:14,641
Speaker 1: People they're older want to hang out with me.

1862
01:12:15,801 --> 01:12:19,201
Speaker 5: Fuck, I'm feeling your brother. That's that's all. That's that's him.

1863
01:12:19,241 --> 01:12:24,801
Speaker 5: I mean, that's real shit. Yeah, Wow, it's it's powerful

1864
01:12:25,681 --> 01:12:26,081
Speaker 5: all the time.

1865
01:12:26,081 --> 01:12:27,561
Speaker 6: Now, I give no fucks, bro, That's how you can

1866
01:12:27,561 --> 01:12:29,601
Speaker 6: tell people are tough, Like I don't know, I give

1867
01:12:29,681 --> 01:12:31,001
Speaker 6: no shit. I would cry in the yard in front

1868
01:12:31,001 --> 01:12:32,881
Speaker 6: of people too, Like I've always been an emotional person

1869
01:12:32,921 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 6: and now like this kid just got me so emotionally,

1870
01:12:35,921 --> 01:12:37,361
Speaker 6: I cry all the fucking time.

1871
01:12:37,761 --> 01:12:40,241
Speaker 4: It's one thing to have somebody on these shows. And

1872
01:12:40,321 --> 01:12:43,561
Speaker 4: you was in podcaster and before we sort of say

1873
01:12:43,601 --> 01:12:45,521
Speaker 4: goodbye for the day, I want to make sure that

1874
01:12:46,281 --> 01:12:48,521
Speaker 4: we get your podcast out there and we get people

1875
01:12:48,561 --> 01:12:50,561
Speaker 4: over to listen and hear.

1876
01:12:50,801 --> 01:12:52,521
Speaker 1: And leave your reviews on them. Please. That's what people

1877
01:12:52,521 --> 01:12:53,521
Speaker 1: don't ever take the time to do.

1878
01:12:53,601 --> 01:12:55,561
Speaker 6: Like then for your show too, like if you're listeners,

1879
01:12:55,961 --> 01:12:57,761
Speaker 6: leave it a review, like it's free.

1880
01:12:57,561 --> 01:12:58,921
Speaker 1: And you listen to it. You know what I'm saying.

1881
01:12:58,921 --> 01:13:00,841
Speaker 6: That's huge for this ship, you know, Like people don't

1882
01:13:00,841 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 6: realize how much money that we put into these things,

1883
01:13:02,721 --> 01:13:04,161
Speaker 6: you know, Like I don't, I don't run.

1884
01:13:04,401 --> 01:13:05,041
Speaker 5: I'm comfortable.

1885
01:13:05,521 --> 01:13:08,161
Speaker 6: That's what I spent thousands and thousands and thousands of

1886
01:13:08,201 --> 01:13:10,601
Speaker 6: dollars monthly just run my podcast for everybody.

1887
01:13:10,601 --> 01:13:10,761
Speaker 5: You know.

1888
01:13:10,841 --> 01:13:13,321
Speaker 6: It's like now they charge me to upload my shit

1889
01:13:13,361 --> 01:13:15,001
Speaker 6: to the prison habits And who do you think pays

1890
01:13:15,041 --> 01:13:17,481
Speaker 6: that me. You know, it's like all we asked was

1891
01:13:17,561 --> 01:13:19,921
Speaker 6: leavers leave us a freaking review. And that's what ask

1892
01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:22,841
Speaker 6: on my podcast, like listen to leave review and other

1893
01:13:22,881 --> 01:13:23,441
Speaker 6: people are.

1894
01:13:23,281 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: Like, oh, listen, I'll leave your review. After I listened

1895
01:13:25,801 --> 01:13:27,921
Speaker 1: to an episode, I'll say, and I'm like, all right, cool.

1896
01:13:27,961 --> 01:13:29,561
Speaker 6: Then I guarantee it's going to mean even better view

1897
01:13:29,601 --> 01:13:30,841
Speaker 6: than you would asked if you to just laugh me

1898
01:13:30,881 --> 01:13:31,961
Speaker 6: on if that's what you want to do, you know

1899
01:13:32,041 --> 01:13:34,841
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So yeah, Like my podcast is row

1900
01:13:34,881 --> 01:13:38,041
Speaker 6: Cover Chappy and it's on our platforms. Listen, start with

1901
01:13:38,041 --> 01:13:40,161
Speaker 6: the episode one because I've interview my mom, my dad,

1902
01:13:40,201 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 6: and my stepmom.

1903
01:13:41,481 --> 01:13:44,401
Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you two tools to leave behind

1904
01:13:44,481 --> 01:13:47,641
Speaker 5: for today's guests, because that's what I ask of all

1905
01:13:47,721 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 5: my guests in the end about our season.

1906
01:13:49,761 --> 01:13:52,961
Speaker 4: We have a toolbox of life that basically enables others

1907
01:13:53,001 --> 01:13:55,641
Speaker 4: out there to understand that they can achieve great things

1908
01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:58,161
Speaker 4: in their life, no matter how tough or how hard.

1909
01:13:58,241 --> 01:14:03,041
Speaker 5: Life has been. Peter, what are two main key tools

1910
01:14:03,041 --> 01:14:05,241
Speaker 5: that have gotten you to this point in your life

1911
01:14:05,241 --> 01:14:07,201
Speaker 5: today that you would hand down to a young.

1912
01:14:09,241 --> 01:14:12,081
Speaker 6: I'll tell you Number one is perspective if I can't

1913
01:14:12,081 --> 01:14:14,161
Speaker 6: tell this a quick story. Why I say this, Sha,

1914
01:14:14,241 --> 01:14:16,321
Speaker 6: was when I was doing work after I got out

1915
01:14:16,321 --> 01:14:18,001
Speaker 6: of prison. I was doing this work with this big

1916
01:14:18,041 --> 01:14:20,521
Speaker 6: foundation out of La the System, Mary's Foundation, where she

1917
01:14:20,521 --> 01:14:22,801
Speaker 6: gets these lifeers out of prison that were doing life

1918
01:14:22,801 --> 01:14:25,761
Speaker 6: senses and death row sentences, and she corresponds to them

1919
01:14:25,761 --> 01:14:27,281
Speaker 6: and gets them out of the right and then they

1920
01:14:27,321 --> 01:14:29,281
Speaker 6: all work for her nonprofit making minimum ways.

1921
01:14:29,321 --> 01:14:31,121
Speaker 1: But none of them know how to act as adultshire,

1922
01:14:31,161 --> 01:14:31,401
Speaker 1: you know.

1923
01:14:31,921 --> 01:14:33,841
Speaker 6: And so I was doing some work out there for free,

1924
01:14:33,881 --> 01:14:36,681
Speaker 6: of course, and I remember I pulled up and there

1925
01:14:36,761 --> 01:14:38,441
Speaker 6: was this og right there and said right in the

1926
01:14:38,481 --> 01:14:41,041
Speaker 6: hood of La California.

1927
01:14:41,601 --> 01:14:42,361
Speaker 1: And you guys could.

1928
01:14:42,201 --> 01:14:44,401
Speaker 6: Tell the dude did a bunch of time, like triple og,

1929
01:14:44,561 --> 01:14:47,041
Speaker 6: big black dude right and wearing the shitties suffice you've

1930
01:14:47,041 --> 01:14:48,841
Speaker 6: ever seen. Like it was a dress shirt missing the

1931
01:14:48,841 --> 01:14:50,921
Speaker 6: bottom part of it, like the buttons weren't even all

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Speaker 6: on it. You could see his jeans were fifty sizes

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Speaker 6: too big, and it was a string that was tying

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Speaker 6: in to it. And he had some like look like

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Speaker 6: prison work boots, right, And I got out of the

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Speaker 6: car and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, damn, what's up og, I said, what's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 6: You know what he tells me, Man, Now you're just

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Speaker 6: and enjoying this fresh air, but he's picking up trash

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Speaker 6: like with a glove like he was doing on prison.

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Speaker 1: I was like, right then it hit me.

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Speaker 6: I was like, holy shit, man, if you can just

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Speaker 6: be grateful to breathe fresh fucking air and know that

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Speaker 6: you can do anything you want in this life, no

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Speaker 6: matter if you think your life shit, you're not right

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Speaker 6: there that there's other people that don't get that opportunity,

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Speaker 6: Like you have an advantage on the rest of the world. Like,

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Speaker 6: think about that and just think if you can break

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Speaker 6: it down to that dumb perspective on like be grateful

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Speaker 6: tomorrow to brief fresh air.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that's powerful.

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Speaker 1: And then two I would say, like this, create your

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Speaker 1: own lane.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: If you're young, like, don't listen to nobody else. And

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Speaker 6: like the most true statement ever is your net work

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01:15:40,561 --> 01:15:43,241
Speaker 6: is your net worth. And that goes to the childhood.

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Speaker 6: If you're hanging around want to be tough, gangster, shithead kids,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna end up where I went and where you went.

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Speaker 6: And if you're hanging around people that are doing positive

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Speaker 6: stuff and playing sports, you're probably gonna do that, like

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Speaker 6: you have one shot at this life, man.

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Speaker 1: And I always tell kids, and I'm working with them.

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Speaker 6: Like you know, when you're an adult, you can make

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Speaker 6: millions of dollars or six figures twenty different ways, switch

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Speaker 6: your career every year if you want. You never get

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Speaker 6: your childhood years back, you know. And that's the only

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Speaker 6: thing I'm not at peace with. It's my childhood gers.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I screwed them up so bad. I never played a

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Speaker 6: high school sport. And the only thing that gives me

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Speaker 6: a peace of that is finally now I get to

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Speaker 6: do it with my sons, you know. So they're the

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Speaker 6: same exact age and me, my brother, we are apart.

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Speaker 6: We're both eighteen months. They're going to be eighteen months apart,

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Speaker 6: two boys. So I get to do it, rewrite my

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Speaker 6: own childhood right in front of my own eyes.

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Speaker 5: I love it. Brother. As I said, you are a

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Speaker 5: very inspiring man, and you're all against the odds, to

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Speaker 5: be honest. Statistics were against you, life was against you.

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01:16:32,721 --> 01:16:35,681
Speaker 5: You were against yourself, and here you are today inspiring

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Speaker 5: others through your actions. And thank God for that because

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Speaker 5: we need more people like you. I want to say

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Speaker 5: to you, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. Go buy my book against a

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Speaker 6: Lot and listen to the podcast. Thank you for having

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Speaker 6: me man, this is a pleasure.

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Speaker 5: Tonana.

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Speaker 4: There you have it, guys all the way from the States.

1991
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Speaker 4: What an absolute gentlemen. Peter. We'll have all his details

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Speaker 4: in our links and please jump across to his page

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Speaker 4: give him some support. I'll put it up on the

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Speaker 4: Clink podcast page on Instagram, and remember to go into

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Speaker 4: sideways surf Clink Ink apparel. Be the best you can be.

1996
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Speaker 4: Make sure you get in there and grab yours and

1997
01:17:09,521 --> 01:17:12,601
Speaker 4: keep supporting. Thank you for everybody who is new and

1998
01:17:12,681 --> 01:17:16,481
Speaker 4: to all our regular listeners, thanks for supporting the Clink.

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Speaker 4: Let's bring on that five million. Peter, You're a legend brother.

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Speaker 4: Thank you again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, have a good one. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: For the record, I don't try and make you uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: for the record. You ain't try and world under stuff

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Speaker 2: for your for the record lab on me going hard

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Speaker 2: away for the record. Ain't trying to link, no trying to.

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Speaker 3: Watch for the record, for the record, for the record,

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Speaker 3: for the recon for the record, for the record,