WEBVTT - Sharri | 20 June 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.840 Good evening. Will we learnt today that Victoria police is 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.760 treating a spate of anti Semitic attacks on political offices 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:20.279 as individual and separate investigations led by local police. This 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.480 is despite the fact it would at the very least 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.760 be a credible working hypothesis that the same group of 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:32.960 activists might be involved in each These incidents are escalating 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:38.720 and growing more dangerous. It's astonishing these pro Hamas activists 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.600 haven't been arrested. They were still loose on the streets 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.200 and free to strike Josh Burns's office in the early 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.120 hours just this week. In fact, the lack of police 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.600 action might be spurring these unlawful vandals on to commit 0:00:54.720 --> 0:01:00.080 even more outrageous crimes. They're not hiding, they're not shy. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.440 They are ashamed of their racist exploits. They're boasting about 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.399 them online in posts that the tech companies are just 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.600 allowing to stay up and go viral. Here is a 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:17.240 clip of pro Palestinian radicals attacking the Attorney General Mark 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:18.520 Drefus's office. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.679 See the probation the party policy tonight are brought together. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.760 I need commanded to Israel security Palestinians. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:34.960 Maybe suffering is not the main Israeli concern now attack. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.080 Palestinian targets without sixteen warplanes killing eleven people. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.480 Palestinians killed was twenty Palestinians were killed today. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.360 That was on the fifth of June. As you can see, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.720 they're shamelessly and brazenly waiving these videos under the nose 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.400 of police. And that video said and the caption was 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.600 the Labor government, including Mark Dreyfus, voted against recognizing the 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.560 state of Palestine. We did some renovations to his office 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.000 in response. Now in a warning that's only going to 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:10.520 get worse. Their hashtag was escalate for rafa and into 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.639 farda bring it home. And they film themselves also vandalizing 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.200 Bill Shotton's office to have a look. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:20.720 God the government supports for people. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.520 If the UK didn't Sayanism is not compared up the 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:24.840 WHICHUD isn't. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.800 The hijack fee the state and is misrepresenting Israel equals 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.919 this policemen, then they're nick cleansing. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.760 Under one on the list for being more verbal curse 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.760 every saying this says the Adorers and Balfour was not 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.720 a ways manchine or grosscheut between them. The worstity created 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.400 and it went on. But perhaps This next video is 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:50.639 the worst because you see the thugs violently smash labor 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.080 politician Daniel Molino's office window with hammers, and they also 0:02:55.120 --> 0:03:03.359 paint the red upside down triangle that stands for hamastation. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.239 Lists that we were and which package that lets but 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.480 la camo basshutin sis and I said, you know it's 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:24.160 leffers de famous regions for unfair again but again, but 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:29.600 again by again, Belgada ended the game. Maybe said Tomba 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.119 or Macusilader, not Lama Vic. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.080 Daniel Milino is a regular guest on this show. He's 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.440 a labor MP. His office was closed for two weeks 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.120 after it was trashed, and then just as he was 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.360 about to move back in, it was trashed again. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.560 People are emailing or calling or walking off the street 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.160 with individual concerns and this. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:01.320 That's right, all right, right, you do not remember that's artwork, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:02.480 which is utiful. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:05.000 Seq. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.840 That's what he's dealing with on a daily basis. But 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.240 the Insta account, the Instagram account that posted that video 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:19.839 actually takes the credit. It says we his constituents opposed 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.440 to genocide paid him a visit and it had that 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.920 violent video that I just showed you before. I mean, 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.599 they're all openly posting these videos. The Victorian editor for 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.480 the Australian newspaper, Damon Johnston, reports today that despite pro 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:39.679 Palestinian vandals attacking up to a dozen federal and state 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.400 electored officers in the wake of October seven terror attacks, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.760 Victoria Police confirmed it was yet to call in or 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:53.279 establish a dedicated task force to lead the investigation. Asked 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.600 by The Australian whether it could confirm how many attacks 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.680 on electored officers were being investigated, how many the arrests 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.760 and charges had been laid, and whether calling in a 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.880 specialist task force was being considered, Victoria Police said these 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.760 incidents are investigated by local crime investigation units. We do 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:19.120 not have overall stats. I mean, can it really be 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.440 that hard for police to do their jobs. It's likely 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.320 the attacks on different politicians officers are being done by 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.920 the same group of people, given they're posting their own 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.919 videos to the same social media accounts with the same 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.640 hashtags and the same group is taking credit for them 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.920 in a sign off image at the end. So how 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.159 can police treat them as separate incidents and not set 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.800 up a task force? Perhaps interviewing the people that run 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.400 these pro Palestinian groups linked to the social media accounts 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:58.240 would be one obvious place to start. Because politicians, their staff, 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:03.000 and the entire Jewish commun unity are being intimidated. The 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:09.040 activists themselves are warning this is going to escalate. Already. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.440 The fire and violence at Josh Burns's office this week 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.960 was more dangerous than the attacks that came before, and 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.800 Josh Burns is seriously worried that someone is going to 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.880 get hurt or, as he says, or worse. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.360 This morning, six people turned up to my office. They 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:35.040 came with kerosene, They smashed in windows with a hammer. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.159 They spray painted on the outside of my office. We've 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.880 seen our family on the other side of the world 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.160 being caught up in conflict, and I you know, if 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.680 I could, if I could do anything to stop this 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.240 conflict from happening any longer, I would do it. But 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.120 we can't do that in Australia. We just don't have 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.479 that sort of leverage. I'm nervous about it escalating even further. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.760 I'm nervous about someone getting hurt or worse. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.280 Yeah, there's no indication that police or the Prime Minister 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.960 is taking this seriously. Enough and this is what worries me. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:15.080 This lawlessness is out of control and where are the authorities. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.600 It's a point former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg made. He said, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.000 what we need is more action from our political leaders 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.520 and law enforcement to protect the community. Our leaders must 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.320 step up and rest control back from the mob, a 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.120 mob that has had free reign since October seven to 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.800 act in a violent, hateful and UnAustralian manner. He says, 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.560 it's not just the Jewish community that's under attack, it's 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.320 Australia's social cohesion that is under attack and the very 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.239 values that underpin it. And Josh says, as he keeps saying, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.280 this is Australia's fight, Let's be very clear. We are 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.040 seeing a dereliction of duty. The truth is there's a 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.360 lack of political will to take action. When Albineasy criticizes 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.920 these attacks, and he does criticize them, he often says 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.080 a line that it undermines the Palestinian cause. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.760 And how people think that they advance their cause through 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.000 activities like this is beyond me. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:19.520 It does nothing. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:25.520 It undermines the cause that people purport to represent. It 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:30.320 is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately spread 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.720 by some Green senators and Mpeace. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.880 He have engaged in this in demonstrations outside. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:43.800 Offices and online. All of us have a responsibility to 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.800 prevent conflict in the Middle East from being used as 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.960 a platform for prejudice here at home. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.360 And in that statement he went on to say again 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.720 that it undermines the Palestinian cause, for which he said 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.800 he has advocated for his whole life. Well, these are 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.520 very weak statements that it undermines their cause. Because these 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.680 criminals are posting the hamas symbol and slogans like Zionism 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.160 is fascism. It doesn't undermine the cause because there is 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:17.640 no cause there. Anti Semitism isn't a cause, and that 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:23.040 shows you how morally feeble our prime minister is. But 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.800 it's not just the police and our politicians. You have 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.000 to look at the media too. Now. The ABC seven 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.520 thirty report had a good look at this issue, at 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.160 the vandalism of politicians and their officers last week. It 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.400 was a good report, but then look how they present it. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.679 They had this headline, are guars of protesters crossing the 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:49.560 line by vandalizing MP's offices question mark? Yes, of course 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.439 they are the failure of law enforcement is so alarming 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.400 that a former Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions for the Commonwealth, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.640 Mark Legrand, has been spur word to speak out. Legrand, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.640 who was also a member of the National Crime Authority, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.079 will he's going to come on my program on Monday 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.680 night to speak about this. But in the meantime, he 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.200 says that Jews have been abandoned by those charged with 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.160 enforcing the rule of law and equal protection. He says 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.320 they've been abandoned by governments, by police, and by the 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.800 so called human rights and racial vilification bodies. And he 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:32.199 holds the Prime Minister squarely responsible because he says it's 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.800 Albanese's duty to protect the people or people, not just some. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.240 And Mark LaGrand recounts that in nineteen seventy five, Asio 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.559 uncovered a plan by Palestinian terrorists to assassinate Bob Hawk 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.880 for his support of Israel, along with several high profile 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.600 Jewish figures. Now, Hawk at the time was a proud 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.760 advocate for the state of Israel, and as you know, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.880 he said famous that if the bell tolls for Israel, 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.600 it tolls for all of mankind. Well, Mark Legrand writes 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.959 in the Australian that Albanesi would know this history from 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.439 the official briefings, and he writes that in this context, 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.400 by his failure to commit to urgent and serious action 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.920 to rain in this rampant jew hatred, his government is 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:30.800 complicit and playing with fire. This contagion of jew hatred 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:36.280 is expanding exponentially from past experience. It soon will become 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:41.240 difficult to control. He writes. The blood, libels and racial 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.760 tropes that have bedeviled the Jewish people for more than 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:49.040 a millennium are being resurrected. Legrand says that to avoid 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:56.800 a future tragedy, Albanesi must act with commitment, vigor and courage. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.520 And you have to ask is he even paying close attention? 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:06.200 Is ASIO are the intelligence agencies? Is the AFP? Because 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.200 we cannot let this get to the point where someone 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.880 is injured or worse, our political leaders and our police 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.640 must act now to arrest these extremists and stop this 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.560 clear escalation in violence. Everyone can see it's happening. We 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.280 can't put up with the Prime Minister being weak on 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.600 this issue simply for some votes in marginal Western Sydney seats. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.400 The safety of politicians, their staff and Jewish Australians are 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.120 far too important. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:42.880 Now. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.880 Also coming up on the show tonight, the farcical Simpson 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.640 inspired response to Peter Dutton's nuclear plan, as Labor kicks 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:55.319 off their Scare campaign today. Also ahead the gruesome trade 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.280 in illegal human old and transplants in China. Renowned international 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.320 human rights lawyer David Mattis will join me live in 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.640 the studio. Plus why the new ABC chair follows a 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.880 predictable path, No new vision, just the same old demands 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.120 for more of your money. But first let's bring in 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.560 tonight's panel, Perth Mayre, Basil Zemplus and Bill Shorten's former 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.800 chief of staff Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both, Basil. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:27.440 Let's first discuss the editorial, the issue that I've just 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.920 spoken about. Basil, are you concerned that law enforcement isn't 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.680 doing enough and this is going to get to the 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.680 point where there's a serious incident and someone is injured? 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.480 So I think we need to accept, don't we that 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.520 whatever your view on the conflict in the Middle East 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:49.679 is in that region, whatever people do here, certainly they 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.040 can speak up and make forceful points and make their 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.440 opinions known. But anything they do of a vandalism nature 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.720 or of a violent nature, does nothing to address or 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.400 arrest what is happening. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.480 In the Middle East. And then to here, for example. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:11.120 The ABC pose that question, have those protesters. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:11.320 Cross the line? 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.480 Let's put it nice and simply, if I walked out 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.920 of the building I'm in right now when and vandalize 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.520 the building across the road, would media say has he 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.920 crossed the line? Or would they say throw the book 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.520 at him? It seems almost incomprehensible that this sort of 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.960 behavior can be tolerated, and. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.640 We need to treat it for what it is. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.440 They are violent acts, they are acts of vandalism, they 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.960 are illegal acts, and we expect our law enforcement agencies, 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:44.160 doesn't matter who's involved or perpetrating them, we expect them 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.720 to act. And if they started acting here, it might 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.480 go a long way to calming the situation down. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.440 Yeah. Look, I agree, and I just want to reiterate 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.720 that I also agree with your opening statement. I say 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.720 it many times that everyone has a different view on 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.040 the war. We live in a free country. Freedom of speech. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.920 That's absolutely fine. What's not fine is the hatred and 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.200 the lawlessness, the violence, the aggression, fires being burnt in 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.360 someone's office. Cameron, the Prime Minister must realize he's got 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.000 a major problem on his hands, but it seems like 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.120 he just doesn't know how to respond, or he doesn't 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.520 want to respond. What do you think is going on here? 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.280 Well, Albanese is wallowing in his own complete weakness on 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.400 this issue. It's disgusting to see. But worse, I mean 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.360 Basil in your own state of West Australia, there's a 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.600 Labor senator who's accused Israel not once, but three times 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.480 of genocide and she still sits in the Labor caucus. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.160 That demonstrates how weak Albanese is. Wong's running a protection 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.920 racket for someone who's disgraced herself on Israel, written for 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.720 Al Jazeera, gone to the campus protest like a Green senator, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.120 the one that Prime Minister complains about, but Albo still 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.400 has her vote. She should be gone from the Labour 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.280 Party of albov Sirius about this gone. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.920 Yeah, And look, if they were serious about this, they 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.840 would have the judicial inquiry into anti Semitism on university 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.400 campuses instead of shutting down debate when Julian Lisa football. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.800 There's all sorts of action they should be could be 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.880 taking here. They could designate his book to reer as 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.000 a terrorist organization. There's a lot of action that they're 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.360 just not taking. Let's turn to nuclear now, that has 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.440 been the big story we've been covering this week, and 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.280 Labor is already kicking off its scare campaign into Peter 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.320 Dutton's nuclear energy announcement. Well as you would have seen 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:33.320 already on air tonight, Peter Khalil mocked Dutton's announcement of 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.400 building seven nuclear reactors. He likened it to snow White 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:42.480 and the nuclear reactors and the seven dwarves. Another Labor politician, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.240 Andrew Lee, posted a manipulated image of a three eyed 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.200 blinky bill in front of a nuclear plant. So it's 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:50.920 I guess trying to say, this is what's going to 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.880 happen to our koalas. And then the Victorian Premier just 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.920 Into Allen posted an image of a three eyed fish 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.360 in Gibbs that now they were, of course referencing this 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:05.720 Simpsons episode where toxic spills caused three eight fish. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:07.960 All right, we gay. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:24.359 Wait a minute, one two. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.760 Basil, given there are thirty two other countries around the 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.200 world using nuclear energy as part of their energy mix. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:33.120 If Labour's resorting to referencing an outdated Simpsons episode. Isn't 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.840 this juvenile and actually irresponsible and false? 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:40.960 Well, it is juvenile. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.240 We can still find juvenile funny and hello to Pauline 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.920 Hanson and Robert Irwin who are battling out their own 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.159 issues in this space at the moment. But we also know, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.960 don't we, that of the top twenty economies worldwide, Australia 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.679 is the only one not involved. We also know it 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.840 is emissions free and we know how important that is 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:04.040 to Australians. I wonder Sherry has Labor made a big 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.800 mistake here? We know that the Coalition's fortunes and also 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.760 in particular Peter Dutton's fortunes, have been on the rise, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.200 and we've known this announcement was coming for some time. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.080 But despite that, the polls heading in the right direction 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.000 for Dutton and the coalition. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:21.720 He's been bold. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.600 Have Labor backed the wrong horse here by going out 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.480 all out on the scare campaign? Would they not be 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.440 better off trying to put their counterfacts. I don't think 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:38.840 Australians are as opposed as what Federal Labor are trying 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.359 to tell us. And as we know, Dutton stands for 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.880 something we know what he stands for. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.440 It's bold, its conviction, and. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.879 He's prepared to put it to the people at the 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.960 next federal election. And if Labor have called it wrong, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.359 they may pay the ultimate price. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.360 Yeah, that's a really interesting take because the common view 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.120 is that it's Peter Dutton who's taken the greatest political 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.520 risk here. But Basil, you mentioned the PM going all 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.199 in attacking Dutton. Will let's have a look at some 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:09.600 of what he ought to say today. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.919 This is just a fantasy. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.000 Instead of snow White and the seven dwarves, this is 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.480 Peter Dutton and the seven nuclear reactors. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:23.679 So Cameron, I mean the Prime ministers really attacking Darton 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.800 over there. So what do you think on this question 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:27.880 of political risk? 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.920 Well, I think about the fairy tale where Anthony Albanese 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:37.120 is Pinocchio. I think that's quite funny too. But look, seriously, seriously, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.360 Labour's got a challenge. Both Peter Dutton and Anthony Albaneze 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.119 have a plan to be net zero by twenty fifty. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.480 Anthony Albanese's plan is massive cost of transition, huge smashing 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.960 power bills from here for the next twenty five years, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.520 or proven reliable technology. The rest of the world uses 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.560 with nuclear power. That's Peter Dutton's pan plan. So Peter 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.399 and Darton can actually keep power prices down now and 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.360 still meet net zero by twenty fifty. Anthony Alberanez can't 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.679 do that. Peter Dutton's plan is made in the US, France, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.040 and Germany. Albow's energy transition plan is made in China. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:09.880 That's the difference. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:17.600 Cherry tooting Worth considering there, we know how much we 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.880 know how much the Labor government have liked to throw 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.560 back at the coalition, the no Alison tag, always being negative, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.919 always criticizing, not giving opportunities a chance to breathe and 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:28.800 see what people think. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:29.560 Well, that's what. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.760 They're doing here with nuclear So I think Dutton has 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.400 played this very very well. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.679 Ultimately, he's going to live and. 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.360 Die by taking this policy forward in such a big 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.399 way at the next federal election. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:43.600 But he's not a mug. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.679 He's thought it through, he's been very clear on his convictions, 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.520 and he seems very confident. Shoulders pinned back making these announcements, 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:56.600 and suddenly suddenly the emphasis is back on Labor to 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.320 see their response, and so far they're throwing up for 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.040 snow white and the Seven Dwarfs sorts of responses, which 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:04.720 doesn't cover them in glory. 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:05.960 I don't think yeah. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.119 And I think also when you see people like Chris 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:13.160 Bowen stand up and say that Peter Dutton's selling a scam, well, 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.400 the problem is that Chris Bowen's credibility is so smashed 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.960 to smithereens that are you going to believe Chris Bowen 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.359 or Peter Dutton? And ultimately it does come down to 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.679 a question of trust. Cameron, don't tell me you're going 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.400 to try stick up for Chris Bowen over here. 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.439 I think Chris is actually a visionary. I think he's 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.480 actually done really well to put his ideas for just 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:36.840 like Peter Dutton has. He's actually got the courage of conviction, 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.679 which is something sadly lacking and missing in the Prime Minister. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.520 All right, Cameron Milner, Basil samplis great to see you 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.600 both as always on a Thursday. Thank you. After the 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.520 break will bring you new polling on New Clear. This 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.879 will be the polling that shows whether Peter Dutton is 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.240 on the right track. It's just for us exclusively tonight, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.240 class I'll be joined live in studio by renowned human 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:08.440 rights lawyer David Matters, that's after this quick break, welcome back. Well, 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.679 China's record on human rights abuses is appalling, yet it's 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.639 an issue that failed to get much airtime during this 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.359 week's visit by Chinese Premier Lee. 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.160 Well. We do have differences, and I've said we should 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.919 cooperate where we can, we disagree where we must. We 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:32.159 certainly raised all of the issues where Australia and China 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:37.120 have differences, but we shouldn't allow those differences to solely 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.440 define our relationship. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.840 And one growing problem is China's organ harvesting practices. We 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.560 don't hear much about it, but there have been extensive 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:52.400 reports that state run hospitals have secretly harvested body parts 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.840 from tens of thousands of prisoners, removing their vital organs, 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:01.359 sometimes while they're alive. It's reportedly been common practice in 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.920 China for nearly two decades. David Matus is a renowned 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:10.159 international human rights lawyer and he's been investigating this industry 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:14.040 and joins me now, David, thank you very much for 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:14.840 your time. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:15.720 Thanks for inviting me. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:21.000 Now. You're in Australia primarily to campaign for legislation and 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:26.200 regulation in this area. How serious and extensive is the problem? 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.120 And can you tell us just a bit about why 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.480 China harvests organs? 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.240 It's throughout China. The problem, it's the numbers are large, 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:42.960 one hundred thousand organs a year, so it's pervasive and 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.840 it's been going on since the early two thousands. Why 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:51.200 are they harvesting them? It's partly a money made scheme. 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.600 There's a big demand for organs around the world, and 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:59.120 it's partly a way of repressing political opponents. The victims 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:03.800 are primarily prisoners or conscience practitioners of Fellongong, Wiggers, Tibetans, 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.800 house Christians and. 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:10.040 Other particular body parts that are most commonly harvested. 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.680 Well, it's a market that it depends on demand. So 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:21.120 the biggest demand for organs is kidneys, but they'll and 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.719 in theory you can survive with the loss of kidney, 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:28.320 but in fact nobody survives these organ extractions because they 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:30.959 extract several organs at once and people are killed through 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:32.240 organ extraction. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.919 The brutal operations. And how do you go about investigating this? 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:40.760 I mean, you know famously China it doesn't welcome journalists. 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.920 So has this been a difficult area for you to examine. 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:47.520 It's been time consuming, for instance, for transplant volumes. What 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.879 we did is we went to the individual hospitals and 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.919 added up what they posted on their websites, and we 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.640 went to about seven hundred hospitals. So as you can imagine, 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:57.560 it took a lot of time to do that, but 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:03.480 it's conceptually not very difficult. We interviewed people who got 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.840 out of a prison out of China, and they told 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.480 us the Fell and Gong practitioners were blood tested, organ 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:15.840 examined and the others were not. We had investigators calling 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.720 into China pretending to be relative patients who wanted organs, 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.480