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Speaker 1: Listeners are advised that this podcast series Bromwin contains coarse

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Speaker 1: language and adult themes. This podcast series is brought to

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Speaker 1: you by me Headley Thomas and The Australian. The town

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Speaker 1: of Lismore in northern New South Wales is about a

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Speaker 1: forty minute drive west from Sandstone Crescent, Lennox Head. The

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Speaker 1: area's natural beauty disguises hidden dangers. Twenty nine big floods

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Speaker 1: have swept through Lismore since eighteen seventy. The town is

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Speaker 1: built on a floodplain. The residents just keep.

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Speaker 2: Rebuilding, where thousands of people stranded homes inundated.

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Speaker 3: The epicenter there is.

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Speaker 4: Lismore, where dangerous rescues have been carried out all day

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Speaker 4: as the city sees its worst flooding in its history.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, the river peaked again after heavy rain.

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Speaker 1: Thousands of homes and businesses were inundated. Residents rode down

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Speaker 1: the main street, rescuing strangers and delivering supplies to neighbors

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Speaker 1: trapped by floodwaters. The Lismore Courthouse is one building the

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Speaker 1: floods have not been able to erase. This impressive structure

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Speaker 1: was built in eighteen eighty three and it has held

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Speaker 1: on to the history of tragic cases that have passed

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Speaker 1: through its doors. Cases like Bromwyn Winfields, which was explored

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Speaker 1: in detail at a two thousand and two inquest into

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Speaker 1: her disappearance. Other cases too, have left an indelible impression

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Speaker 1: on the local population. In July nineteen eighty six, seven

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Speaker 1: years before bromwin went missing, Alan James Stuckey, a local

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Speaker 1: Lismore pharmacist, was put on trial for the alleged murder

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Speaker 1: of his wife, Carolyn Stuckey. Alan had shot Carolyn three

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Speaker 1: times in their bedroom in January the previous year, after

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Speaker 1: local man, Alan Ennu, eight months before Carolyn was shot

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Speaker 1: by her husband, Alan Stuckey. Alan Ennew's heartbroken wife, Madeleine,

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Speaker 1: took her own life, leaving behind her young children. Carolyn

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Speaker 1: Stuckey was a much loved school teacher who was actively

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Speaker 1: involved in productions at the local Amateur theater. That's how

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Speaker 1: she came to know Allan Ennu. She graced the pages

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Speaker 5: We never really know what's going on in people's private

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Speaker 1: Matthew Condon and I have looked closely at Carolyn's case.

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Speaker 1: We went to Lismore together in February twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: four years ago, and we recorded some audio there. Some

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Speaker 1: of the similarities with Bromwin are all too obvious. Coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: Bromwin was meeting John in nineteen eighty five when Carolyn

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Speaker 5: It was the two mothers that perished. The women were

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Speaker 5: the ones that died, and the men, of course survived

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Speaker 5: and moved on. This story is.

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Speaker 3: As old as time.

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Speaker 5: It is about.

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Speaker 3: Dreams, it is about jealousy.

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Speaker 5: It is about male presumption and possession of women.

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Speaker 3: That's Shakespearean.

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Speaker 5: These little deadly dramas are unfolding in every community across

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Speaker 5: about possession. The warning signs.

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Speaker 3: Were there everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Here she is here, a loving memory of Carolyn joy Stucky.

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Speaker 5: Presumably her ash is buck here.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we go and visit the family home? This

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Speaker 5: The classic slice of Australian seventies suburbia, isn't it. It's

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Speaker 1: We think that Carolyn died sometime between nine and ten pm.

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Speaker 1: He told the police that he asked Carolyn directly whether

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Speaker 5: Carolyn and Allen then you were together hours before Carolyn

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Speaker 5: was fatally shot by her husband, and she was lying

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Speaker 1: He then told the police that he raced to the

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Speaker 5: The moment that impelled him, a former country boy and

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Speaker 1: Not too long after, alan Enny's own wife had killed

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Speaker 5: Human affairs are so complicated. Alan ennew who had made

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Speaker 5: in future, going forward together, and that night had ended.

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Speaker 1: In that first interview in the Lismore police station between

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Speaker 1: cold blood. He then describes having come back from the

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Speaker 1: And I pointed the gun at Carolyn and shot her

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Speaker 1: in the abdomen, and then used the bolt action to

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Speaker 5: The youngest Catherine in a bassinet in the actual parents'

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Speaker 1: You get the sense from the way he describes it

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Speaker 1: in a way that she shot herself. There's no ownership

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: In the language that he uses, it's almost like he's there,

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Speaker 5: but he's not there. Did you aim and fire at

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Speaker 5: at all. It's like this nebulous thing that sort of

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Speaker 5: just happened. It moves, it slips around at those most

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Speaker 1: Was he having trouble facing that reality himself then, or

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Speaker 5: Is it possible that a man of such a meticulous

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Speaker 5: and sort of shots went off, that's not possible. With

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Speaker 1: And then push it forward again to load the boat.

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Speaker 1: He was asked whether he checked afterwards to see if

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Speaker 1: He was quite sure she was dead. Alan Stuckey called

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Speaker 3: He had a shower.

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Speaker 1: He proceeded to change and apply his deodorant. After the

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Speaker 1: then his friend and said it's all over. I've killed Carolyn,

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Speaker 1: was to the police. Now you just shudder at what

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Speaker 5: And she was still laying at the foot of the

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Speaker 1: He's trembling and about to be led away for questioning

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Speaker 5: He said in his evidence before the court that with

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Speaker 5: It's revealing a man who lives by an incredibly routine

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Speaker 1: Caroline's unlawful killing at the hands of her husband should

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Speaker 1: have been an open and shut case. Alan Stuckey's defense

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Speaker 1: lawyer saw a pathway. He argued that Alan's wife's affair

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. He's a small but integral part of it.

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Speaker 3: On July eleventh, nineteen eighty six, after a seven day trial,

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Speaker 3: Alan James Stuckey was found not guilty of murder but

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Speaker 3: Caroline's death under provocation. Justice Slattery said Stuckey's quote control

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Speaker 6: Was greater than the circumstances warranted. It is rare to

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Speaker 6: the prisoner, by his acts under provocation, brought great tragedy

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Speaker 1: In the end, the defense strategy was successful. A jury

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Speaker 1: Alan Stuckey was sentenced to eight years imprisonment, but he

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Speaker 1: her recollections with Matt of a troubled childhood in the

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Speaker 7: He used to say that she was socopathic and that

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Speaker 7: I also had those traits because I wanted attention or

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Speaker 2: I'm so outraged that he thought that.

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Speaker 8: That would be a good idea to raise his children

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Speaker 7: He killed their mother. To me, that is such a

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it at all, and it makes me

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Speaker 1: incredibly sad. Before finalizing his own lengthy police statement, Glenn

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Speaker 1: by drawing on the local media. John was against publicity

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Speaker 2: He certainly was absolutely against having any media there. He

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Speaker 2: said this has to go to the media. We need

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Speaker 2: more people to come forward.

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Speaker 1: While John remained staunchly opposed, Glenn Taylor went around him

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Speaker 9: the disappearance of my sister. I am deeply concerned about

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Speaker 1: State Coroner for New South Wales, Karl Milavanovitch exuded authority.

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Speaker 1: On day one, Matt Fordham asked Glenn Taylor to read

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Speaker 2: His brother Jonathan was worried that if he didn't go

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Speaker 2: Missus Mason believed that something happened to Bromwin on the

438
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: night before John turned up to her home with the children.

439
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: There were claims about John's personality, his temper, and his

440
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: demands for a perfectly ordered and clean house, such as

441
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Speaker 1: from Bromwin's neighbor Debbie Hall.

442
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Missus Hall found out that Bromwin's marriage was not a

443
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: happy one. Missus Hall asked mister Winfield what had happened

444
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: to Bromwin. Mister Winfield replied, she wasn't happy to see

445
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: me there. I went in, We had dinner together and

446
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: then put the kids to bed. After that, we had

447
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: a bit of an argument and she threw her hands

448
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: up in the air and told me that she needed

449
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: a break. She went into the bedroom and made a

450
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: phone call, and about fifteen minutes later, a person came

451
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: and picked her up. Mister Winfield told Hall that he

452
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: did not know who broman had gone with and did

453
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: not look out the front.

454
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: And Jane Johnston.

455
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: During telephone conversations, Bromwin informed missus Johnston that she was

456
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: arguing with Jonathan Winfield. Bromwan confided that she was scared

457
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: of john and worried that he would hit her. Romwin

458
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: told her of an incident where Jonathan had her backed

459
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: up against the kitchen cabinets and had raised his hand.

460
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: The detective told the coroner that Bromwin's eldest daughter took

461
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: it upon herself to walk to the police station to

462
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: see Glenn one day. The sixteen year old was prompted

463
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: by an article that Glenn had helped place in the

464
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: local media. Cristel was gently asked to return the next

465
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: day with an adult so that a statement could be

466
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: taken at the police station.

467
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: At that time, Cristel did not want her father to

468
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: know that she was attending the police station and did

469
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: not want the police to notify mister Winfield that she

470
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: wanted to be spoken to him. Crystal recalls an argument

471
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: between her mother and father where her father struck her

472
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: mother across the face with an open hand. Crystal states

473
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: that her father would also lose control of his temper

474
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: with her and Lauren. On one occasion, Crystal recalls being

475
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: thrown against the wall by her father.

476
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: Witnesses told Glenn Taylor of John's alleged desire, stated and

477
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: implied that he did not want to lose his home

478
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: in Sandstone Crescent as part of any separation from Bromwin.

479
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: John's daughter Jodi.

480
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: Jonathan Winfield told her that Bromwin needed a break from

481
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 2: the children and had gone away for two weeks. Her

482
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: father related that Bromwin had made a telephone call and

483
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: a car pulled up out in the front of the

484
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: house in Lennox Said, and he heard Bromwyn leave.

485
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: The detective raised John's suggestion that Bromwin suffered from a

486
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: mental illness and had copied the actions of her mother,

487
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Barbara in abandoning her children.

488
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: Mister Winfield states that he believes his wife is alive

489
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: and may have suffered some form of mental illness.

490
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Speaker 1: The coroner heard about John's suggestion to numerous witnesses that

491
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: Bromwin was alive. How clothes and genes that went missing

492
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: from Sandstone Crescent were a proof of life.

493
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: Mister Winfield claimed that his wife must have returned to

494
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: the family home at some stage after that evening, as

495
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: he found clothes missing and the medicare check on the table.

496
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Speaker 1: John's furnishing of a receipt for the purchase of fuel

497
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Speaker 1: at the Amphole service station at eleven o six pm

498
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: on the sixteenth of May nineteen ninety three was cited too,

499
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: and finally repeatedly. Glenn Taylor conveyed the insistence from more

500
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Speaker 1: than a dozen people who knew Bromwin and who said

501
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that the devoted mother would never have left her children.

502
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: Here are their words from their police statements, read aloud

503
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Speaker 1: by voice actors, and this is not an exhaustive sample.

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Speaker 13: Shirley Taylor, I find it extremely hard to believe that

505
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 13: Bromwin would leave the children behind if she were to

506
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 13: go anywhere. I found her to be a most devoted

507
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 13: mother who was very attached to her children.

508
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 14: Alan Fisher, Bromwyn appeared to be very devoted mother. I

509
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 14: did notice that she kept a very watchful eye on

510
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 14: her two children. Bromwin was not the type to leave

511
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 14: her kids for even five minutes.

512
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 15: Peter Shanahan, I have observed Brodwin with her two girls,

513
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 15: Kristall and Lauren, and I would describe Bronwyn as a

514
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 15: very good mother. For her to leave her girls and

515
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 15: not make contact is not the Bronwin that I knew.

516
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 15: In my opinion, there is no way that Bromwin would

517
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 15: have left her go.

518
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 4: Maria Glewis, I would describe Bronwin as a very caring

519
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: mother and her children's interests always came first. I spent

520
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: a lot of time with her just prior to her disappearance,

521
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: and I formed the opinion that she would do anything

522
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: to stop John getting custody of the children. And I

523
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: find it extremely hard to believe that she would go

524
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: on a holiday and not come back and leave the

525
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: children with John as he has purported.

526
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Glenn Taylor outlined for those in the courtroom when his

527
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: involvement in Broman's case first started. The detective described to

528
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: the coroner how Andy and Michelle's inquiry was a catalyst

529
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: for a review of documents into the original nineteen ninety

530
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: three police investigation by Graham Diskin.

531
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Speaker 2: This reinvestigation was given the operational name of Lumberton. Operational

532
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: orders dated twenty seventh July nineteen ninety eight were prepared.

533
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Glenn provided some background information about bronwin and her previous relationship,

534
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: and then Glenn started detailing his first contact with the

535
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: last person to see her alive.

536
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: Mister Winfield attended the ballon Of police station on fifth

537
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: of August nineteen ninety eight, where he agreed to participate

538
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: in an electronically recorded interview. Mister Winfield had not formed

539
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: an opinion of what may have happened to his wife, However,

540
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: he believed that she was alive, possibly under another identity.

541
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: Glenn raised a phone call John Winfield had made. As

542
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: the police investigation gathered momentum, with witnesses being visited in

543
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: Lennoxhead and Ballina and farther south in Sydney and the.

544
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: Shire, mister Winfield stated that his wife would one day

545
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: walk back as if nothing had happened. Mister Winfield stated quote,

546
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: she's probably with some rich sugar daddy on over. Mister

547
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: Winfield refused to allow police to speak to Crystal or

548
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: Lauren concerning their mother's disappearance. The proposed media release was

549
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: delayed for a long period of time due to mister

550
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: Winfield's strong objections. Details of the disappearance were released to

551
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: the print and television media.

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00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: The media releases included that front page article in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Star newspaper dated July tenth, nineteen ninety nine. The

554
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: detective told the coroner that there had been.

555
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: A canvas of all business premises in Lennoxhead and selected

556
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: business premises in Ballener with flier and photograph of the

557
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: missing person, a publication in the Police Service Weekly authorizing

558
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: a public display of the missing person at all police

559
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: stations in the state.

560
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Glenn began listing the transactions and total balance of Bromban's

561
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: day to day bank account leading up to her disappearance

562
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: on May sixteen. There had been no activity on this

563
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: account in the years since, and Glenn summarized the witness

564
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: statement of Shirley Taylor, no relation the landlady at Byron Street,

565
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: where Bromin lived in a flat in nineteen ninety three,

566
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: before returning to the family home on the afternoon of Friday,

567
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: May fourteen.

568
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: Missus Taylor states that at a later time she was

569
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: cleaning the townhouse that had been vacated by bromwin Winfield.

570
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: Missus Taylor states that she located a cane jewelry box on.

571
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Top of a wardrobe.

572
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Inside the jury box was a brown ring case which

573
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: contained a gold chain with a tourist megallion, a further

574
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: gold chain, a heart shaped pendit with a diamond in

575
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: the center, one nine carrot gold wedding band, one gold

576
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: engagement ring with eight diamonds surrounding a larger diamond in

577
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: the center, and a gold pendant containing an opal surrounded

578
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: by fourteen diamonds. Also in the jewelry box was a

579
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: thick chain, gold bracelet, a pink heart shaped soap, and

580
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: a red and white dice.

581
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Speaker 1: As you heard, the gold chain had a medallion with

582
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Speaker 1: the star sign of Taurus. Roman was born on April

583
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Speaker 1: twenty four. She was a Taurus Broman had left all

584
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: of this behind, along with the funds in her bank account.

585
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 12: Do you want to have a break, sergeant, You must

586
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 12: be getting a bit dry on the throat.

587
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Speaker 2: If you like your worship.

588
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: One thing that did not come out during the first

589
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: and subsequent days of the inquest was the fact that

590
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: this was Glenn Taylor's last official duty as a police officer.

591
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Two decades as a detective on constant call out to

592
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: serious crime scenes had taken its toll on Glenn's mental health.

593
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Here's Glenn now reflecting on that period.

594
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: My doctor recommended that it was probably time that I ceased,

595
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: so I was off on sick leave. And then while

596
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: I was on sick leave, was announced that they set

597
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: a date for the coroner's inquest. I'd already made up

598
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: my mind. There's absolutely no way I would ever let

599
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: the Reed family down. I went to see my doctor

600
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: and brought myself off sick leaves, especially so I could

601
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: attend the inquest for that week. The last day of

602
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: the inquest in two thousand and two, on the Friday,

603
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: was my last day I actually worked in the police.

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00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: Glenn Taylor finished his statement with a summary of the

605
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: entire case and his view of what had happened to Brommin.

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00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: I would submit there is overwhelming, circumstantial evidence to suggest

607
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: that the missing person, Bromin Joy Winfield, is in fact deceased.

608
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: The missing person separated from her husband in March nineteen

609
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: ninety three after a period of being involved in an

610
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: unhappy relationship. The missing person had engaged mister Mannering, a

611
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: local solicitor, and later mister mcdebitt, a solicitor from Lismore.

612
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Missus Winfield had instructed mister mcdebitt that her marriage was

613
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: at an end and there was no hopeful reconcipation. Mister

614
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: mcdebitt rode to mister Wingfield regarding property settlements and took

615
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: instructions regarding custody of the children, Crystal and Lauren. The

616
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: missing person spoke to her neighbor, Missus Debbie Hall, late

617
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: on the afternoon of Sunday, sixteenth May nineteen ninety three.

618
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: At those days did Missus Wingfield disclose that she intended

619
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: to have a break from the children. In fact, she

620
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: told Missus Hall she had a busy week ahead and

621
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: had to get the children off to school the following morning.

622
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: There is ample evidence of violable from witnesses that the

623
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: missing person was in fear of the consequences when her

624
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: husband found out that she had moved back into the

625
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: family home, Mister Wingfield immediately arranged to travel by aircraft

626
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: back to Ballona to travel to the family home. Witnesses

627
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: interviewed have indicated that mister Wingfield had stated that there

628
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: was no way he his wife was going to get

629
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: possession of the house. He had used words to the

630
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: effect quote, I've already lost two houses before and I'm

631
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: not going to lose another one. Mister Winfil arrived in

632
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: Ballener at about six point thirty pm and was picked

633
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: up by mister John Watson at the airport.

634
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: As we've explained in previous episodes, John said that when

635
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: he arrived in Balliner it was dark. The schedule four

636
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: Ansett Airlines showed that the get from Sydney was due

637
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: to land at seven twenty five pm. It was not

638
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: known to Glenn Taylor or Matt Fordham at the time

639
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: of the inquest that John's timeline of events did not work.

640
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: Glenn was aware that John Watson had collected John Winfield

641
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: from Balliner Airport on that fateful Sunday evening.

642
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: He then attended the Balloner police station to check if

643
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: there was any apprehended domestic violence orders in place that

644
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: would prevent him from attendant Sandstone Crescent Lennox Head. Mister

645
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Winfield then traveled to the family home, picking up his

646
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: daughter's schoolfriend, Rebecca McGuire on the way. Upon arrival, he

647
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: knocked on the door and was met by the missing

648
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: person Bromwin Winfield and the children. Miss McGuire recalls that

649
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: there were two suitcases near the entrance to the doorway.

650
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Miss McGuire observed mister Winfield to take these suitcases and

651
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: put them into the white Ford sedan.

652
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: The detective suggested what many listeners to this podcast have

653
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: also speculated, bromwin had obviously packed John's clothes into suitcases,

654
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Speaker 1: which she put near the front door, presumably so that

655
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Speaker 1: he could take those away and be gone with a

656
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Speaker 1: minimum of fuss.

657
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: However, mister Winfield makes no reference to the suitcases when interview.

658
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: It would appear that mister winfil Field returned to sixty

659
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: Sandstone Crescent, lannox Head after dropping off Rebecca maguire. Exactly

660
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: what then happened inside sixty Sandstone Crescent, lenox Head is unknown.

661
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Referring to John's nineteen ninety eight recorded interview in the

662
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Speaker 1: ballon a police station, the detective said.

663
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 2: Mister Winfield has maintained that he and his wife sat

664
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Speaker 2: down at the table discussing their marriage. He claims that

665
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: his wife made a decision that she needed a break

666
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: from the children and then went and made a telephone

667
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: call to an unknown person. Mister Winfield then claims that

668
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: his wife left via the front door after he heard

669
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: a motor vehicle pull up out the front. Mister Winfield

670
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: states that he did not investigate who was driving this

671
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: unknown vehicle. Mister Winfield then claims that he then made

672
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Speaker 2: a decision to return to Sydney, immediately, taking the children

673
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Speaker 2: with him. He is unable to satisfactorily explain the urgency

674
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Speaker 2: for him to travel to Sydney, except to say that

675
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Speaker 2: the children traveled better at night.

676
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Speaker 1: To be fair to John, however, it isn't obvious from

677
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Speaker 1: the transcript of John's police interview in nineteen ninety eight

678
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Speaker 1: that he was pressed on this point, Why did you

679
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: just up and leave like that? How did that make

680
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: any sense? John was a witness of few words in

681
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: that police interview. He was not the sort of witness

682
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Speaker 1: who would start sharing information in anticipation of a question.

683
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: He would not give long answers. If not pressed, he

684
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Speaker 1: just didn't say.

685
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Mister Wingfold claims that he went immediately to the Amphile

686
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Pied Piper, where he fuelled the vehicle at eleven oh

687
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: six pm that night. It appears obvious that he felt

688
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: the need to retain the receipt. It would appear that

689
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: three days later, on the nineteenth of May nineteen ninety three,

690
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: on the insistence of mister Andrew Reid, the brother of

691
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Speaker 2: the missing person, that mister Winfield contacted mister Nolan and

692
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: arranged to having break into the family home to check

693
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: on the welfare of missus Winfield. Mister Nolan and mister Hargrave,

694
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: the neighbors of the Winfields, forced entry to the house,

695
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: but found no sign of the missing person. Mister Winfield

696
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: has claimed throughout the entire investigation that his wife ran

697
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: off somewhere or with someone. Witnesses have all said that

698
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: she was a very good, devoted mother who lived for

699
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: her children. It would appear totally against her character that

700
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: she would have left the children for good, let alone

701
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: for two weeks without telling them her intention to have

702
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: a break. This investigation appears to have raised more unsold

703
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: questions then it has provided answers.

704
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Speaker 1: The detective sergeant then asked a number of questions which

705
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: he said cried out for definitive answers.

706
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 2: Why would Jonathan Winfield bring all of his clothing and

707
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 2: his surfboard back on the plane and then immediately return

708
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: to Sydney in the family vehicle. Surely it would have

709
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: been easy to bring his property back in the family

710
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: car at a later time. Why didn't Bromwin Winfield just

711
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: take the family car if she wanted to leave the house.

712
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: Up until that night, Bromwin had maintained sole possession of

713
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: the family vehicle. Why would the missing person have the

714
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: locks to the family home changed and then let her

715
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: husband remain in the house on the night of sixteenth

716
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: of May nineteen ninety three when she allegedly left of

717
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: her own free will. Why did Jonathan Winfield back the

718
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: car out of the driveway and down the hill with

719
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: the lights to the vehicle being turned on. Bromwyn Winfield

720
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: had informed missus Tracy Brown that she was scared of

721
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Speaker 2: her husband coming back to the house to try to

722
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Speaker 2: get her out. Why would Bromwin so easily give up

723
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Speaker 2: possession of the house after having the locks change. Jonathan

724
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: Winfield makes no mention of obtaining the new keys to

725
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: the house from Bromwin. What happened to Bromwin's keys to

726
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: the house? Did she or rather why would she supply

727
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: them to her husband before leaving the house.

728
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: Glenn Taylor raised the solid plans of Kim Marshall in

729
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: Tasmania to come and stay with her sister Bromwin in

730
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: Lennox head. They had been talking about it on the

731
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: telephone four weeks in advance.

732
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Speaker 2: Why didn't Bromwin contact to inform her that she was

733
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: having a break from the house and the children. Why

734
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: did the missing person suddenly cease contact with Meaghan Reed?

735
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: They apparently used to contact each other on a daily basis.

736
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: In fact, why did the missing person not seek contact

737
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Speaker 2: with all of her friends? The missing person had told

738
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Speaker 2: her stepdaughter jad that Jonathan Winfield was not welcome back

739
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: at the family home, and she intended to get a

740
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: restraining order to prevent him from coming to the house.

741
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: Why would she then leave the house and allow mister

742
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: Winfield to stay. Jonathan Winfield told his daughter Jadie that

743
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: Bromwin had gone away for two weeks as she had

744
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: had enough. If this is a situation, why didn't she

745
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: the missing person let her employer know, cancel her appointment

746
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: with the solicitor, or let any of her friends know.

747
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Why didn't the missing person return to the rended flat

748
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: and collect valuable and personal property left at that location. Additionally,

749
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: why wouldn't Bromwin return the keys to the rented unit

750
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 2: make a claim for bond money that she paid?

751
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: Glenn Taylor said he had interviewed friends of Bromin who

752
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: said they were told by John that his estranged wife.

753
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: Had left on a planned trip to have a break

754
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: for a week or two from the children. This appears

755
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: totally at odds in that Bromwin was seeking sole custody

756
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: of the children.

757
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: The detective then raised John's employment at that time with

758
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: Glen Webster, the builder in the shire south of Sydney.

759
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: You'll recall that John was helping Glen build a house

760
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: in Illawan before and after Broman's disappearance.

761
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: Why didn't Jonathan Winfield inform mister Glenn Webster that he

762
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: was going to travel back to Lennox Head. At this time,

763
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: Jonathan Winfield was in the middle of a job at

764
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: mister Webster's house. Why did Jonathan Winfield tell Rebecca McGuire

765
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: that he needed someone to be present whilst he picked

766
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: up clos from the family home. Why were the sitcases

767
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: near the front door of the family home. When Jonathan

768
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: Winfield returned from Sydney, had Brohman packed his clothes for

769
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: him with the intention of not coming back to the house.

770
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: Why doesn't mister Winfield recall this when he was interviewed.

771
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: Why did Jonathan Winfield feel the need to retain the

772
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: receipt regarding the purchase of the fuel at the Airpole

773
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: Pied Piper service station on the evening of sixteenth or

774
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: May nineteen ninety three. Why has he kept that receipt

775
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: in his possession since that time? Why hasn't Bromwin touched

776
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: any of her bank accounts since fourteenth of May nine

777
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 2: ninety three. Mister Winfield has claimed that his wife must

778
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 2: have returned back to the house and left a signed

779
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Medicare check on the table and taken clothes, including a

780
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: pair of his genes. Why wouldn't a missing person tried

781
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: to contact her children? Why didn't anyone see Bromwin back

782
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: at the house? Where had Bromwin been for the previous

783
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: few weeks? What money was she using to live on?

784
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: Bromwin had taken no clothing when she left, Where would

785
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: she have got clothes to wear?

786
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: Each question from Glen Taylor was laden with the inference

787
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: of suspicion and foul play. He narrated a lengthy list

788
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: in the courtroom that day. We have not included all

789
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: of Glen Taylor's questions from the witness stand sitting in

790
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: the courtroom Bromman's brother Andy and his wife Michelle, believed

791
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: they knew why most of Glenn's questions were unanswerable by John,

792
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: and John had no intention of giving evidence himself. Andy

793
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: and Michelle already saw their brother in law as a

794
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: cold blooded killer. Several of Broman's friends, watching the evidence unfold,

795
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: were of the same mind.

796
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: At the completion of the investigation, there appears that there

797
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: can only be two possible scenarios as to what has

798
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: happened to bromwin Winfield. A Missus Winfield has left of

799
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: her own accord and is living somewhere else in Australia

800
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: or elsewhere under a different name, a different identity. This

801
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: is what Jonathan Winfield suggests, or b Missus Winfield is deceased.

802
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: After taking it into account all of the vilable evidence,

803
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: I would submit that the evidence would suggest, at least

804
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: on the balance of probabilities, that Missus Winfield is in

805
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: fact deceased.

806
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Speaker 1: It was now time for John's defense lawyer, Craig Leggett

807
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Speaker 1: to speak up. I object to the next bit, Coroner.

808
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure that you will be assisted by the

809
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 11: next paragraph.

810
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 7: Well, it's the view of the investigator. It's an opinion

811
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 7: he's entitled to excit express.

812
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: The detective was given permission to keep going and to

813
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: express in court the point that John's lawyer did not

814
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: want ventilated.

815
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Speaker 2: If the coroner comes to the conclusion that Bromin Winfield

816
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: is deceased, I would submit that there is very strong

817
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: circumstantial evidence that a known person, namely Jonathan Winfield, is

818
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: responsible for her death. I would urge that consideration be

819
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Speaker 2: given that the coronial brief be referred to the Office

820
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: of the Director of Public Prosecutions to consider if criminal

821
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: charges should be laid against Jonathan Winfield in connection with

822
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: the suspected.

823
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Speaker 1: Death of Brommein Winfield.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, Detective.

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Speaker 1: When Glenn Taylor had finished reading out his lengthy summary,

826
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Speaker 1: it was mid afternoon in the Lismore Courthouse, but the

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Speaker 1: most important evidence of day one it was still to come.

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