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Speaker 1: It's Harps, it's Melissa, it's Bronti. It's it's you and

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Speaker 1: us on the Bloody You Project for the millionth time.

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Speaker 1: It's seven oh three in the thriving metropolis of Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: Melissa Marie Cameron is over there in the number one

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Speaker 1: seat because she's the actual boss of me and everything.

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Speaker 1: She looks like Mary Poppins. She's a fucking tyrant. Don't

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Speaker 1: be tricked when you meet her. She looks all love

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Speaker 1: and light and unicorns and Jesus and stuff. It's not true.

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Speaker 1: She's a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Hello.

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Speaker 1: It's a very special day to day, firstly because we

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Speaker 1: have Bronti, and second because it's someone's birthday, big birthday.

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Speaker 1: Let's not talk about that. But happy birthday, Harps. I

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Speaker 1: was hoping you wouldn't bring that up. You did. We

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Speaker 1: don't need to, We don't need to talk about that. Ah,

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Speaker 1: Hi Bronti, let's ignore Melyssa. Hi, Bronzi, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Going to AGNOMALLYSSA hello personally and happy twenty first.

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Speaker 1: Birthday is Come on, I'm thirty. Let's not be ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thirty. It's all right. Bat down the hatches, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: thanks for that. That's your fifteenth, fifteenth warning, you're out.

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Speaker 1: One more warning, You're gone, You're done.

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Speaker 2: That's what will happened.

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Speaker 1: Then I'll just then I'll just give her another I've

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Speaker 1: been giving a warning, Spepper, I'd sack me before i'd

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Speaker 1: sack her. Bronte, I'm shit. Yes, she's the wind beneath

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Speaker 1: my wings. She keeps my life from going off the

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Speaker 1: rails in many ways. How are you? Thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on the you project?

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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much for having me. I'm well. This

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Speaker 2: morning I started my day with a little swim in

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Speaker 2: the ocean, so I'm feeling great.

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Speaker 1: Just a lazy k or two was it? What did you?

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Speaker 1: What did you crank out?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Not much so this morning. That swim of the

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Speaker 2: ocean was a purely recreational swim. So I caught about

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Speaker 2: four waves and then I came back in again. So

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Speaker 2: that the thing is, you walk down, you order your

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Speaker 2: bacon egg roll, and you get in and youm for

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Speaker 2: twelve minutes, and you get out and your bacon may

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Speaker 2: rolls ready for you, pick it up, and then you

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Speaker 2: walk home and eat it. And that is the perfect warning.

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Speaker 1: That is exactly my protocol. Are we doing that straight?

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Speaker 1: Out that everyone knows that's bullshit. I have the buoyancy

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Speaker 1: but yeah, not very I'm not very buoyant. What is

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Speaker 1: science y term, and in terms of expending energy and

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Speaker 1: being fast in the pool, I know nothing about this,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just asking, is there a point where you

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Speaker 1: have too much muscle, too little fat, and too much muscle,

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Speaker 1: which means you've got to expend more energy not just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of. It's probably less about like how much

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Speaker 2: in the water. So some people really struggle to float

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Speaker 2: in general, but you can always teach people to float

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Speaker 2: and hold you up. If you can keep yourself streamlined

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Speaker 2: the water. But lots of plann people are moving all

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Speaker 2: people really start to think. So, yeah, it's the seems

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Speaker 2: so I'm not into the full hydrodynamics of the of

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Speaker 1: It's such a such a fine science, like at your level,

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Speaker 1: How's your body holding up? How's your body holding up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm basically I'm laughed. Now. I think that my

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Speaker 2: name is BRUNTI the geriatric Campbell. That's like my fighting name.

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Speaker 1: Out of the blue corner. Weighing in it sixty three

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Speaker 2: Think like sixty five that's like my normal fighting weight.

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Speaker 2: But it was very good, guess thank you. So yes,

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Speaker 2: body's going well, thank you. I still have a lot

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Speaker 2: if people ask me, like, what's something I'm really proud

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Speaker 2: that my shoulder in particular has been a very tricky injury,

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Speaker 2: and I've had that for over half of my career.

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Speaker 2: Like I started getting injured in twenty sixteen, which is

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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like weirdly proud of my injuries

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Speaker 2: because they've taken me to a whole view level of

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Speaker 1: It's a real juggling act, I think, because I've worked

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Speaker 1: And it's a real juggling act because you are trying

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Speaker 1: you know, an explosive sport. It's all about power and

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Speaker 1: You're almost getting injured, but you're not getting injured. You know.

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, it's a tipping point. And then the extra

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Speaker 2: how much pain in this injury is too much? And

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting point that individual kind of interpretation

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Speaker 1: swimmer for this story instantly? It's fantastic. Yeah, I know, No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a bit that I really

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Speaker 2: it was really a process of exploration that took about

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Speaker 2: two years to figure out what actually works for me.

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Speaker 1: And what's harder for you, managing your body or managing

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Speaker 2: I think they go together, and especially I just had

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Speaker 2: of someone who's happy, and the inflammatory markers and both

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Speaker 2: it's less separated than we think it is, so I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very true. That's very current of you with

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Speaker 1: all that thinking about and the inflammatory markers and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's so true. Like we realize now that like we

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Speaker 2: how you can hold yourself in the water. All of

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Speaker 2: that sort of combines. So that's the main thing is

434
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Speaker 2: if you can if you're thinking about like actual speed speed,

435
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Speaker 2: like I'm talking about if you're swimming at fifty meters

436
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Speaker 2: or one hundred meters freestyle, as you taper and freshen

437
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: up and get stronger, your body position or change in

438
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: the water, you'll sit a bit higher in the water.

439
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: So like you know, when you get a speedboat or

440
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: even like a tinny and you really rever and it

441
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: sort of like sits up in the water. You can

442
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Speaker 2: see people like fit a bit higher in the water

443
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: and less that their body is in the water, and

444
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 2: that creates way less drags. So for us, like one

445
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Speaker 2: of the biggest things is how do you eliminate drag

446
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: as much as possible in your stroke while getting as

447
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: much power through the water at the same time.

448
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Speaker 1: And so what's what's the plan moving forward? Because you

449
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: had a break, did you have like a year and

450
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Speaker 1: a half break recently in the last couple of years.

451
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. After Tokyo Olympics. I had eighteen months

452
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Speaker 2: out of the water or out of the water, out

453
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: of the swimming pool. I was learning to surf during

454
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Speaker 2: that time instead of swimming, so that was that was fun.

455
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Speaker 2: So I stove in my arms, but in a slightly

456
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Speaker 2: different way.

457
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Speaker 1: You are you any good at that?

458
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Speaker 2: I'm really good at bady, I'm not not as good

459
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: as surfing. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. There's a nice,

460
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: nice crew down there who sort of took pity on

461
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: me and gave me lots of pointers as I was

462
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: starting out. Yeah, it's a great sport, but I'm not

463
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to like now there or anything anytime soon.

464
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Speaker 1: And the intention is to go to Paris.

465
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Speaker 2: Is it for surfing? Yes?

466
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Speaker 1: Yes, not imagine that. Imagine guess what everybody breaking news.

467
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: Brodie Kenniball has changed sports. It's still aquatic, but she's

468
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Speaker 1: on it, not in.

469
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Speaker 2: It, and somehow, without ever having some before, she's going

470
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Speaker 2: to think she's going to be the best in the world.

471
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I do think I'm Steph Gilmore. Then I see

472
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Speaker 2: a video of myself surfing I'm like, yeah, you're really

473
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Speaker 2: really not Steph Gilmore.

474
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Speaker 1: But if one of you had to swim away from

475
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Speaker 1: a shark, she would get eaten.

476
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably. I mean, let's hope that never happens. Let's

477
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: let's hope that that's scenario ever eventure.

478
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Speaker 1: Let's hope that's purely just a hypothetical. Yeah, and so,

479
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: so how do you stay or do you need to

480
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: stay focused and pumped? Is it is it something that

481
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Speaker 1: you think like next year, it's next year, Wow, that's

482
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Speaker 1: next year, that that you need to that you need

483
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Speaker 1: to do. Or is it something you're still excited about

484
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: and passionate about and you know you want to go

485
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Speaker 1: like you desperately want to swim.

486
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Speaker 2: That's that's the only reason I came back to it.

487
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: So I had eighteen months off. I went away from

488
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Speaker 2: the sport completely. Like I said, the only thing I

489
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Speaker 2: was doing was was surfing. That's as close as I

490
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: got to it. I was working at ey and Business Consulting,

491
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: going through my nine to five job, putting on a

492
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: suit in the morning and catching the ferry to work

493
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: and doing all the things. And I'd finished my business

494
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Speaker 2: like a grown up, like like actually pretending to be

495
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Speaker 2: a grown up. Yes, so I put on my big

496
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: girl pants that went out into the world, and I

497
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: really wanted to do that. I needed to do that.

498
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: I've been swimming, like I said a start. I started

499
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: this dream when I was seven, and I realistically finished

500
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: school and qualified for the Olympics four months later, and

501
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: I've been a professional athlete ever since and studying on

502
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: the fire and bits of work on the slide. But

503
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: I've never been able to like hold down a proper job.

504
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: It's just not possible when you're training six hours a day.

505
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: So being able to go and do that was great

506
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: for me to prove that I can do it and

507
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: also to learn heaps from doing it. So I enjoyed

508
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: doing that. And then the choice whether to swim or

509
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: not really became a choice between two options. So it

510
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: was would I like to swim and have a shot

511
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: at the next film this or would I like to

512
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: keep doing this career that I'm currently doing. It didn't

513
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: become a choice of do I swim or do I not,

514
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: which I think is which is scarier choice, almost like

515
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: do I do this or do I stop doing it?

516
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: And I don't know what I'm going to do after

517
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: that and for me like the opportunity to try go

518
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: to one more Olympics, to have one more shot at

519
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: this once. Once that chapter is closed, the whole book

520
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: is finished, I'm done, and I just I know that

521
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: I can. I will have to work the rest of

522
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: my life, whatever that ends up looking like, but I

523
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: will have to do that. I've got the whole rest

524
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: of my life for this. Just put in, realistically, eighteen

525
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: more months of work and see if you could make

526
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: it to Paris. And that was another thinking behind it,

527
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: and I started training. I was like, you know what,

528
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: start training, get back in the pool. If you don't

529
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: want to be there, you'll know pretty soon. We're pretty

530
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: good at knowing the things that we don't want to do.

531
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, just give yourself like three

532
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: months to get fit and then reevaluate and say like

533
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: do you want to keep doing this or not? And

534
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed getting back in. I really enjoyed the training,

535
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: enjoy working hard. And it's something I don't think many

536
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: people get to do is put everything all into one

537
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: race and everything all towards one big goal. And I

538
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: really I really like doing that. So I've got one

539
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: last shot that at doing that, and I couldn't really

540
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: pass it up in order.

541
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Speaker 1: To find interesting about from a physiology point of view

542
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: and from a performance point of view and a career,

543
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: length of career and age of retirement point of view,

544
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: swimmers seem to peak really early. But within other sports

545
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: that are a lot about strength and power and speed

546
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and acceleration, you know, they peak in there, often peak

547
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: in their late twenties, early and even mid thirties. Like

548
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: when we look at track athletes and field athletes, sometimes

549
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: some of the best in the world are five, six,

550
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: seven years older than you are right now. Why is that?

551
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: Do you think? Like, why are people kind of almost

552
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, old in inverted commas by the time they

553
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: hit thirty in swimming?

554
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a really interesting thing, and I don't

555
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: know if I have like an actual answer for you.

556
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: I know that in rowing, the average age of a

557
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: metallist is thirty years old, and we don't currently have

558
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: anyone who's over thirty on the team. I mean, hopefully

559
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: me and my system make the team next year, that

560
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: would be that would be us in our thirties. But

561
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: it's very unusual and I think we when you train

562
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: for a swimming, you have to do a lot of

563
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: training comparative to other sports. I think about track and fields.

564
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: Track athletes walk around on their legs all day, or

565
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: every single person does, so you get all this like

566
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: class like just this really low level conditioning of your legs.

567
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: You don't get that in your arms just incidentally every day,

568
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: so we have to train that in the pool. We

569
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: typically train longer and further than an equivalent track athlete would.

570
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: So say a track athlete was running four hundred meters,

571
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: which is about the same time that would take us

572
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Speaker 2: just from one hundred meters, So you think got the

573
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: same length of exertion there in both of those races.

574
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Speaker 2: The amount of training that we do, the amount of

575
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: aerobic training that we do for that is dramatically more

576
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: than a track athlete because we don't have this like

577
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: walking around every day conditioning in your arms, which is

578
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: like sort of part of what you need. And then

579
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: I think that just takes the toll over time. Traditionally,

580
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: there's also not been a lot of funding or way

581
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: to make money in the sport, and that can't be

582
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: discounted because it's all very well to be earning twenty

583
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: thousand dollars when you're nineteen, that's like amazing, you're like stoked.

584
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: But by the time you're twenty nine, if you're still

585
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: on twenty thousand dollars a year and try to make

586
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: your life work, it's not going to work. And I

587
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: don't like the sport's in a fairly good place now,

588
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: But if we look at past champions especially in Olympic

589
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: sports just in general, and amateur sports in general, it's

590
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: a big part of why people retire.

591
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how does a normal training week look for

592
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: you at the moment? I not varies through the year

593
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: depending on where we're at in terms of competition and stuff.

594
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: But for them, like, now, how much you in the

595
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: pool do you? Are you doing strength training at this moment?

596
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: What does that look like? What's all the kind of

597
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: ancillary stuff that you do around that, stretching, recovery, rehab stuff. Yeah,

598
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: give us an idea of a week at the minute.

599
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: So a week at the minute, I normally it's normally

600
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: I train twice a day every day, but what those

601
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: sessions are look different, So like.

602
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: On a Monday, so it would be like two swim sessions,

603
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: once in the morning and once in the afternoon, with

604
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: the afternoon being a main session, and then maybe on

605
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 2: a Tuesday it's one swim session and the other ones

606
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: a gym session and the recovery session. So I do

607
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: quite a lot of gym heavy lifting. In the gym.

608
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm sprint athletes, so power and stre there's really important

609
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: to me. So I do my gym session and then

610
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: I go to recovery after so like ice bath and

611
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: stuff after the gym in the afternoon.

612
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: How much do you bench bro I don't bench broth

613
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: at all? Actually, I know, I'm not kidding, by the way,

614
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: everyone that was a joke. It's the least functional exerciseable

615
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: time and really bad for your shoulders. What kind of

616
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: strength training do you do?

617
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: Chin ups are like the best thing for assuming that

618
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: we do a lot of chin ups, So I do

619
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 2: doing chin ups my whole life, but we do weighted

620
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: chin ups. So at the moment I would do Yeah,

621
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: my final reps would be like two sets of one

622
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: rep of thirty five kilos, so my body weight with

623
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: thirty five ons, so wow, how much how I say

624
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: much of my sixty five kilos plus thirty five Yeah,

625
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: so it's pretty much one hundred kilo chin ups.

626
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: So that's about adding Yeah, like thirty something per What

627
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: is that like, No, that's more than half your body weight.

628
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: It's like fifty of my body weight.

629
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's heavy. That is that is firstly, anyone, firstly,

630
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: just go and try. Now, if you're not a gym goer,

631
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: clearly don't go and try. And you know, if you're

632
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: not a gym goer, just try and hang from something.

633
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, the amount of people Bronte who can't and

634
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: again this is not a slight it's just a matter

635
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: of fact. The amount of people who can't even just

636
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: hang and hold their body weight for like ten seconds

637
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: is a lot of people.

638
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's something that I've been doing since I

639
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: was a kid, so it's easier for me, right, But

640
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: there's so many things that I can't do. Like lower

641
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: body wise, I do a bit, but like that's probably

642
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: like just your average gym goer could probably do better

643
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: lower body stuff than me. Is very very special.

644
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Really, what kind of leg training do you do? Do

645
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: you squat? Do you deadlift your leg? Do you what

646
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: do you do?

647
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't deadlift because my back doesn't love it,

648
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: but I do like Bulgarian squats and sits down squats

649
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: and like hip thrust stuff and jumps and all of that,

650
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: So get strong and robust doing all of that as

651
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: well as like a bunch of just those really little exercises,

652
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: so lots of like monster walks and banded walks and

653
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: all of that, getting all getting everything fired up properly.

654
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: My biggest thing with gym is trying to make myself

655
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: as strong as possible with as fewer injuries as possible.

656
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: So a lot of my gym is doing all the

657
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: little boring things as well. So I incorporate all lots

658
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: of my physio exercises into the gym and incorporate them

659
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: into the actual movements when I'm doing heavy stuff.

660
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Do you I was listening to you on The Imperfects

661
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: last night. Great interview by the way, great chat, very vulnerable,

662
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: They sound like fun. How many times have you been

663
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: interviewed and spent ninety percent of the interview talking about

664
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: your sister and your relationship with your sister?

665
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot, like particularly at the start, like everyone's

666
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: if I honestly had just just even not even a dollar,

667
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: just fifty cents for it. The number of times people

668
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: ask like, oh, how's the sibling rivalry, Like, I honestly

669
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: I would be able to afford the house that I

670
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: would have been rather than rent it. Like, but it's

671
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: I totally get it as well, Like it is an

672
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: unusual thing to have two sisters in the same event

673
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: and to compete against each other, And I totally get

674
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: the fascinations. So I don't really mind the questions. The

675
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: only time that I minded if someone like can't really

676
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: let it go. I've had a few interviews like that

677
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: where they really really can't let go of it and

678
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: they're like, but when are you going to beat her?

679
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: When will you beat it? Don't you want to beat her?

680
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kind of missing the point of

681
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is that we always had this dream

682
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: to do this thing together. And it's like, for me,

683
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: it's never been about like, oh, I step out, mind

684
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: the blocks. I'm trying to beat Kate that one person.

685
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to better myself and better the clock,

686
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: and yes, beat every single person in the race if

687
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: I can. But I'm not standing behind the blocks thinking

688
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: about my sister in the way that some people get

689
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: really fixated on it.

690
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: It's so so silly. And also you were saying something

691
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: like this, so clear clearly Kate is in the very

692
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: best way of freak, and you're also a freak, but

693
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: in a loving, caring way. But you're talking about when

694
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: you and like Kate would just maybe beat you in

695
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: a race by whatever the smallest of margins, and people

696
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: were like you said that, talking about when you're going

697
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: to beat it, when you're going to do this that

698
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: it's like, but if she and your sister, like, you're

699
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: literally better than everyone in the world in that moment

700
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: in time except one person that happens to be your sister.

701
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: And rather than people going what you're doing is fucking amazing,

702
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, but what about you? Sid they were

703
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: driving nuts.

704
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be. It can be challenging, and it

705
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: definitely has been in the past, and it's very frustrating

706
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: to not be seen in your own light. And I think, yeah,

707
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: what I was talking about there was sometimes when I

708
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: was literally second in the world but still not first

709
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: in my family. So people would really hone in on that,

710
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: just just constantly and just say things to you that

711
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: you wouldn't really expect people to say. I mean, like,

712
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: if you were in in your average, your normal job,

713
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: and you were second in the world at something people

714
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: would probably congratulate you on that. They wouldn't come up

715
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: to you and say, oh, you know, you got to

716
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: swim a bit faster. You know, you got to beat her,

717
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: like while she's standing right next to me most of

718
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: the time as well, and awkward, awkward for everyone. People

719
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: have say some pretty weird things to you, but it's

720
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: you got to learn to deal with it over time,

721
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: but it does. It is difficult when you know that

722
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: everybody's comparing you to somebody else and you just like

723
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: all of this is taking place while I was really young,

724
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: like I was nineteen twenty twenty one, and you're kind

725
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: of trying to figure out who you are as a person,

726
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: and you're getting reminded every day that lots of people

727
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: are seeing you in relation to someone else. So it

728
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: makes it very difficult to figure out how you're seen

729
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: just by yourself.

730
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: And also, you know, the funny thing is that like

731
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: the public, we might look on and go, you know,

732
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: Caiten Brons and blah blah blah have a in our

733
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: mind about you and your sister and whatever, and it

734
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: might be unique or you know, weird in a good

735
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: but for you, it's just completely normal. You've never known

736
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: anything else, Like you one of five. Your sister swims fast,

737
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: You swim fast, Like this is just you, this is

738
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: just your life. It's only kind of wildly fascinating for

739
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: people outside, you know, but you're like, yeah, it's not

740
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: fascinating to me. It's just fucking Tuesday.

741
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: Also, I love wildly fascinating because what I do in

742
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: my life is not fascinating at all. Like if someone

743
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: had to sit through the grind, that is the I

744
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: mean in my training week, I got up to Tuesday

745
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: then because like nobody wants to know what the rest

746
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: of the week looks like, because I guess what, there's

747
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: more of the thing. And then you just do that

748
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: day in day out for months and years. And not

749
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: only do you have to turn up to those sessions,

750
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: but you have to make them quality sessions, Like they

751
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: have to be of the highest quality. I've no point

752
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: in going to a session if it's if you're not

753
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: going to be giving one hundred percent to it. So

754
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: you have to like mentally bring yourself there every single

755
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: time you're there. At the pool, it's really boring. Everyone

756
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: sees like an Olympic Games or a Comonwealth Games or

757
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: something like, oh wow, that looks great, that looks fun.

758
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: It's like, no, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,

759
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: it is grinding and grinding when you really really don't

760
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: feel like it. And that is that is what my

761
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: life really looks like. So it's not it's really not

762
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 2: very interesting except for when it's really interesting. So maybe

763
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: it evens out.

764
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Well, what was the year and a half off? Like,

765
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're still active, I know you

766
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: still be becoming a better version of Steph Gilmour and

767
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: all that and just making a killing in the corporate space,

768
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: But what was it like for you? Was it weird?

769
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Was it a relief? Was it? What was it?

770
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was it was a bit of everything. It was.

771
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: It was very weird. It was great to not have

772
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: to train, but at the same time, it was very

773
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: hard to get out of the mindset of having to train.

774
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time like beating myself

775
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: up that like, oh I wasn't doing enough. I didn't

776
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: do like exercise today, and I was very used to exercise,

777
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: being like I do four to six hours of exercise

778
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: every day, So I was used to it being this

779
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: thing that was really difficult, and it had to be

780
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: difficult for it to be worth something, rather than like, Okay,

781
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: you just moved your body today, that's fine, and realizing

782
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: like when you're working a corporate job, like just getting

783
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: out and moving your body can seem very difficult, like

784
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: you're you're very stationary, You're at a desk so much.

785
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: And I did struggle with being so still and then

786
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: not being able to move around enough. And then if

787
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: I did go exit, if I went for a surf

788
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: for half an hour, I'd be like, oh, it wasn't

789
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: good enough, Like I didn't do enough surf. Yea, my

790
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: heart rate probably didn't get up. Was even worth it?

791
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: Like it's it's hard to get out of that mindset

792
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: of like reevaluate, evaluating what you're doing all the time

793
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: and thinking that you should be better. And the same

794
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: went for my job, which was a new thing to me.

795
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: And I'm used to being able to check whether I'm

796
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: good or bad at something like all the time. So

797
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: in swimming, I like every single hundred meters, I can

798
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: look at the clock and I can figure out how

799
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm swimming. I count my strokes every lapse, so I

800
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: know how my stroke counts going. I know from like

801
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: one stroke too many, or if I'm like feeling good

802
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: and I'm one stroke less or whatever, like I like

803
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: measure everything and then to go into a corporate environment

804
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: and like you're doing a little bit of work and

805
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: you look at it, you're like, Okay, I think that's great.

806
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't actually know I think it's good. Let me

807
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: like send it off, let me get some feedback on it,

808
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: and if it's and if it's possible, it'll just get accepted.

809
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: And there's just not a lot of that same sort

810
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: of self feedback that you can give yourself because you

811
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: don't actually know what good looks like.

812
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: It's hard to get hard data. Like we're swimming. It's

813
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: like certain times, certain strokes, certain outcome, and it's it's

814
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: there's no opinion in that, that's just data, right. But

815
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: when it's a really kind of you know, you're doing

816
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: a subjective thing and you're being objectively observed by others,

817
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: and then you kind of got to look to them

818
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: in some way when you're unsure in that space of

819
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: how am I going.

820
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: That's a new phenomenon, Yeah, it's new, and just even

821
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: not one percent knowing what good looks like. It's like,

822
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: go over crack at this, and I'm like, I don't

823
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: even know what good looks like. I'm just going to

824
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: do what I think is good and then well then

825
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: we'll see what happened. So that was definitely different, and

826
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 2: it was Yeah, it was a bit of a challenge

827
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: figuring out how that works. But I really enjoyed it. Obviously,

828
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: I like I like challenges, so I liked that it

829
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: was challenging in that space. But it's I don't want

830
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: to give people the impression that I left swimming, and

831
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: to be honest, I wasn't always one hundred percent sure

832
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: whether it was going to come back or not. And

833
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: then it was just clean and plain sailing. Like particularly

834
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: in the first few weeks, I think I turned into

835
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: a little bit like I was a little bit erratic,

836
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: as like Bart that was like, okay, just remember you've

837
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: gone from doing like forty hours of exercise a week

838
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: to now doing pretty much nothing, like even just within

839
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: your body, like the amount of endorphins that you are

840
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: used to versus what you're getting now, You're probably not

841
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: going to be feeling absolutely great and energized even though

842
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: you're doing less work, you're probably going to have less energy,

843
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: which definitely reflected how I felt. So it's it was

844
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: good that I had good people around me to sort

845
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: of help me through it, because even though I had

846
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: a good plan and everything, it was still it's still

847
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: a tricky change.

848
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: Well, and also considering that, so what were you twenty

849
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: seven at that time?

850
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: Twenty eight?

851
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and you'd started swimming at seven, and

852
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: from seven you wanted to be the bloody best, right

853
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: you want to be an Olympian and a world champion. Really,

854
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: so for twenty years your life had been consumed by

855
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: this one thing, and then you're like, wow, I'm not

856
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: doing that now. I mean it's like you're you know,

857
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: you were kind of like an eighteen year old in

858
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: some ways in that you're stepping into this new grown

859
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: up world. Not that you hadn't been a grown up,

860
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: but it's in a different area where you're like trying

861
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: to figure shit out. So it must have been very

862
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: hard to step out of that repetition and that groundhog

863
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: daness of training and competing and sleeping and eating and recovering,

864
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: and now you don't need to think about any of

865
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: that Bronti. That must have been very strange.

866
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't just flick the switch and turn it off.

867
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: And anytime I'd be doing something new, I'd be like, oh,

868
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: this could be good for my swimming, it would be

869
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: good for my training. It was like, no, you don't

870
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: have to think about that anymore because you're so right, Like,

871
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: not only is it the time in the pool, it's

872
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: like the recovery time in between. Like every time I

873
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: do something, I'm like, Okay, how will this set me

874
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: up for my training session this afternoon? Should I do

875
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: A or B? Should I walk to the shop or

876
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: should I get my screwter down? Because like, how much

877
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: do I think I'm going to need my legs tonight?

878
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: Like every single decision I make is in the context

879
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: of swimming, So you don't just like flick the switch

880
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: and that completely turns off. It definitely takes a while

881
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: to to start see your life in a different sort

882
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: of context without swimming sort of looming over it.

883
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: Did you feel guilty at any stage? Like when not

884
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: that you should, of course, but when you've been doing

885
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: something so much for so long, did you go, oh,

886
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm really I should be doing this. I should like

887
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: just doing not that you were doing nothing, but in

888
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: the swimming sense doing nothing and just teating the breaks.

889
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Well, I felt guilty like almost every day, like if

890
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: I went for a walk instead of going for like

891
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: a run, which by the way, I'm not a runner,

892
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: so terrible idea. But yeah, like almost every day felt

893
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: guilty about like I'm not doing enough, doing enough exercise.

894
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm not as fit as I should be. Oh,

895
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: my body's going to change. Oh this is terrible. Like

896
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: almost every day you're like evaluating yourself and being like,

897
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not doing enough just because it's

898
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: not what you used to do. And when the standard

899
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: previously was enough training to be an Olympic athlete, you're

900
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: probably never going to do that standard again. And at

901
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: the same time, I didn't actually want to do that standard,

902
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: like I wanted a break from it, but then you

903
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 2: felt guilty because you weren't doing it. People are very complicated,

904
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: Like that is It's a bit I was thinking two

905
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: things at the same time, then saying I don't want

906
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: to do that, and then feeling guilty for not doing it.

907
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: And I'll laugh where you said you or not, you're

908
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: not a natural runner. One hundred years ago. I used

909
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: to train a lady called Tammy van Wissa. Do you

910
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: know who that is? No, Tammy van Whissa was, for

911
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: a very long time pre you Australia's pre eminent ocean swimmer,

912
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: multiple world records, swam lock ness, you know all of

913
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: that in that Susi Maroni era where and I remember

914
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: tim I met her. She came to me and said

915
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: all she did primarily when I met her was swim,

916
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: not heaps of other training. This is in the nineties, right,

917
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: so it's a long time ago. But the first day

918
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: that I trained her, I said, well, we'll just do

919
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: some different stuff, right, Let's just get out of she's

920
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: or get out of the water, and let's just do

921
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: things that you don't normally do cross training, so that

922
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: stimulating your body in a different way. And before she came,

923
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: before she came to the gym the day that the

924
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: first time I ever trained it, she'd either swum three

925
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: or five k's right, which for her was not a

926
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: lot because she's an ocean swimmer, but or an open

927
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: water swimmer. And so I said, well, let's just do

928
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: a little run. There was a outside the gym out

929
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: the front door around the block was one k. I said,

930
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: let's do a lazy jog, will warm up, then we'll

931
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: stretch and we'll do some other shit, and that one

932
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: k jog Nelly killed her and it was so fucking

933
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm not a runner. I don't like

934
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm aquatic, I'm not terrestrial. I don't you know, this

935
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: is not my natural habitat put me in wi water,

936
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: and it was so interesting for me to like this

937
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: person who's highly trained, incredibly fit, resting heart rate of

938
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: thirty eight, whatever, all that stuff. And then yeah, different environment,

939
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: different task, different requirements physiologically. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it.

940
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: It's so interesting and very true that most swimmers just

941
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 2: can barely do anything else. But it always blows my mind,

942
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: like I think that I should be better at this

943
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: stuff than I am, because like I said, I'm like

944
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: objectively quite fit, But then you put me on like

945
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: the ground and asked me to run somewhere, and I

946
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: just find it's so difficult, and like I don't even

947
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: know what it is like every I think it's embarrassing

948
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: because like, not everybody learns to swim, and not everybody

949
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: is in a swimming environment during their life. But like

950
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: every single person, like most people, if you've got two

951
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: legs and you're able to walk around, you walk around

952
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: like you walk around, you run around when you're a kid.

953
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: Like everyone's done this at some point, So the fact

954
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: that they can't do it is like pretty abysmal.

955
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: You can run five ks though, right, I don't know.

956
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: I mean definitely I don't. I honestly don't know like

957
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: to find running like I could like get myself through

958
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: that that's fine, But I think my actual problem is

959
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: probably my problem in general, as they go too hard

960
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: too early. So I think like running is like sprinting,

961
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: but it's not always If you're going to run five

962
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: k'd run a bit slower.

963
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that you were saying before that

964
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: you count your strokes when you swim. Are you telling

965
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: me that when you're competing you're literally counting your strokes?

966
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of the time I do, so occasionally I won't,

967
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: or I'll count in a different way, Like I'll count

968
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: like in between my breaths, So if I was in

969
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: one hundred, like I might count like one, two, three, four.

970
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: I normally breathe fours and then the way back, I'd

971
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: be like a three or four, six or six or

972
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: four and then like fifteen strokes to the end, so

973
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: I'll count those, or I'll count like one to thirty

974
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: six on the way out and then like it's like

975
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: normally one to forty or forty one on the way back.

976
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: So yes, I do. It's a habit that have gotten

977
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: into When I was younger, it was sort of drilled

978
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: into me. It's very hard to count your strokes while

979
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: you're racing, but I got used to doing it. And see,

980
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: most of the time I do.

981
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Apart from your sister, person you most admire in the pool,

982
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: like that or that inspires you or that was the

983
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: biggest influence on you. Another swimmer, not a coach, not

984
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: a family member, but another swimmer that you go, fuck,

985
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: I love that person. They inspire me or they helped

986
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: me to greatness.

987
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: Good question. I probably don't have like one single person,

988
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: but I do try and take things from lots of

989
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: people constantly, particularly when I started dealing with injury, Like

990
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: I would go talk to people who had been injured

991
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: and just pick up little pieces from them. And I

992
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: think in general, someone like so one of my good

993
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: friends in swimming. Her name's Lea Neil. She has been

994
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: on the team for six, seven, maybe even eight years.

995
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't even remember when she first made the team

996
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: in the four hundred freestyle, ton a freestyle, turn a

997
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: freestyle relays. Like someone like Leah who just like goes

998
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: about her business quietly, gets her all done. Someone like

999
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: that who's none of us are really in it for

1000
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: the glory, but some of us get to have the glory. Like,

1001
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: don't think anyone starts them because they want to be

1002
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: like this big famous person. They start something because they

1003
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: love the sport and they love being able to do

1004
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: well at it. But a lot of like I've been

1005
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: so lucky that I've had like great sponsors in my time.

1006
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of recognition for the work that

1007
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: I've done. But someone like Leah, who most people wouldn't know,

1008
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: even though she's at the top of her sport for

1009
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: six or seven years, it just gets it every day

1010
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: and gets it done and tries to be her best

1011
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: every day without there being this big external validation. Someone

1012
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: like her, like watching her do her stuff is like, Yeah,

1013
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: that's that's what it's actually all about. So being able

1014
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: to pick up little things from other people, is like

1015
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: sort of how I like to operate, and just asking

1016
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: questions from people. When I was younger, I would like

1017
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: so afraid of asking people questions. I thought it made

1018
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: me look like stupid. You're like, oh, I don't know

1019
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm asking a question. But as I've got it older,

1020
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is fascinating to just ask as

1021
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: many questions as possible, even if you may know you

1022
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: think you know the answer, maybe you don't know the answer.

1023
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time asking people, Oh,

1024
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: why are you doing that? What are you doing that Forlorence?

1025
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: Pick up lots of things along the way, And do

1026
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 2: you you.

1027
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: And k trying together these days or separately?

1028
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: No, we trained separately now for the first time in

1029
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: our careers. So we trained together from when we were

1030
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: seven and nine until we were twenty eight and thirty.

1031
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, now our coach that we were with for

1032
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: all that time, so we're the same coach for twenty

1033
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: one years. He's retired from swimming and from pull deck coaching.

1034
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: He's moved into another role and so now we're training

1035
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: in different states. So Kate's training up in Brisbane and

1036
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: I meant Canberra at the AES for Sure enrollmentson.

1037
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: How would you describe We're nearly done. Don't worry, I'll

1038
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: let you off the stand in a moment. How would

1039
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: you describe your relationship with her? Just in terms of

1040
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: is it a typical sisterly relationship?

1041
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: Is it?

1042
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: Well, it can't be because of your background, I guess,

1043
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: but how is it?

1044
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: No, it's it's fairly typical. It's I mean, it was

1045
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: probably very different for a long time, and that we

1046
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: saw each other every single day, regardless of whether you

1047
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: made time for each other. So it's actually nice now

1048
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: and that we've got I mean, obviously I miss her,

1049
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 2: miss having her arounds, but it's also nice that because

1050
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: we have space, it means that we we intentionally seek

1051
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: out each other, which is very different from just it's

1052
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: sort of like those incidental friends that you have at

1053
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: school when you do them every day versus like you

1054
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: make time for them. And so it's really nice that

1055
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 2: give cat call and run away to and from training

1056
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 2: and have a little chain Adams. In October, we're about

1057
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: to head overseas and do World Cup competition. So there's

1058
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: like these three competitions in Berlin, Athens and Budapest, and

1059
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: she's going to be away on that trip with me,

1060
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: so I get to hang out and spend some time together.

1061
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: So I would say our relationship now is probably more

1062
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: normal than it was in the past, because I don't

1063
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: think many people see their siblings as grown ups every

1064
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: single day, whereas now I think we have probably a

1065
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: bit more of a normal relationship. We used to see

1066
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: each other every day, and we used to live together

1067
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: like when I was what nineteen until I was twenty two,

1068
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: so we saw a lot of each other at one point,

1069
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: which was probably not what your average sibling would do.

1070
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: Are you saying you're a grown up now? Is that

1071
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: what you're saying?

1072
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: For the record, yes I am a grown up officially. Yes, officially,

1073
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: yes I'm a grown up. But we'll see how that

1074
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Speaker 2: actually pans out. I can't ever seem to get on

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00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: top of my washing, Like that's like the still the

1076
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: one growing up activity that Like why are there always

1077
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: more Washington do? Like either always dirty in the machine

1078
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: all there's like stuff to be folded, like it never

1079
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: ever ends, like when does it finish?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're definitely not a domestic goddess him How last question,

1081
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: what have you got to do to get to Paris.

1082
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: What's going to happen between now and then, So this

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: next bit.

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Speaker 2: Of competitions are really important for me. In my first

1085
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: real long course competition since I've come back, so a

1086
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: really good time to take stock of where I'm at,

1087
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: and then just a bunch more training to actually qualify

1088
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: for the Olympics. Is in June next year Olympic Trials.

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00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: It's the one off competition, so realistically, it doesn't really

1090
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: matter what I do and the lead into that, it's

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: just that one competition. You have to finish first or

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: second in your event and swim the top eight time

1093
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: in the world, which in my events you have to

1094
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: swim the top three time in the world in order

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: to come first or seconds. And then for the relay events,

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Speaker 2: for the one hundred, there's a relay spot which is

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Speaker 2: normally from like first to fifth or sixth place, and

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Speaker 2: that's it. It's just cut and dry, very very easy

1099
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Speaker 2: to evaluate where you are on the day. But it's

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Speaker 2: just down to that one race, whether you go to

1101
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Speaker 2: the Olympics or not.

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Speaker 1: That's such a crazy, crazy level of pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not nice. Actually, Trials, Trials, Trials is not nice,

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Speaker 2: but to be fair, it's a very cutthroat way of

1105
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Speaker 2: like picking someone for a team. But the Olympics is

1106
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Speaker 2: also like that, so you really want people that can

1107
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Speaker 2: perform under pressure, like sort of what you're alluding to before.

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Speaker 2: If you can make it through the trials and make

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Speaker 2: it through this environment. The Olympics was once every four years,

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Speaker 2: and you also only get one shot at that, so

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Speaker 2: it does sort of you sort of learn how to

1112
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Speaker 2: deal with those high pressure situations by doing things like

1113
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Speaker 2: trials or by doing the things that qualify you for it.

1114
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Speaker 2: So you sort of like love up every time you're

1115
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Speaker 2: going through the process.

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Speaker 1: Are you heading out now for a bacon and egg roll?

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Speaker 2: No? I already had a bacon negro. Yeah, I need

1118
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Speaker 2: to go to that.

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Speaker 1: You see that face, Melissa that you know I already

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Speaker 1: had it. I already had it.

1121
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Speaker 2: Now I got to go to the gym, so I'll

1122
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Speaker 2: work off the bacon egg roll. I love bacon egg rolls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go and get massive bro. Hey Bronti, you're

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Speaker 1: a treasure and congratulations on everything that you've done. Super

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Speaker 1: not that it means anything from me, that's super proud

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Speaker 1: of you. It's awesome. Thank you, for representing our country

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Speaker 1: as well as you have, and thanks for being like

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Speaker 1: so accessible and so lovely to talk to. It's rare,

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Speaker 1: so we appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's very kind to say. Thank you. Thanks so

1131
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Speaker 2: much showing me and well, it's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you didn't do much lifting game, will you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Stay there, we'll say goodbye fair but for the moment, Bronti,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much.