Speaker 1: Hey, beauties, It's Jamie Joe and Jesse Massu and welcome
Speaker 1: to Skimfluence, a podcast dedicated to beauty, fashion and self love,
Speaker 1: turning your weakness into your uniqueness. Before we get started,
Speaker 1: we'd like to acknowledge the custodians of the land on
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are debunking curly girl myths. There
Speaker 2: is so much misinformation out there surrounding curly hair and
Speaker 2: curly hair care, and we are so.
Speaker 1: Sick of it. So let's put some of these myths
Speaker 1: to bed and give you all the correct information for
Speaker 1: your curly hair.
Speaker 3: Let's go. I love talking about curly hair. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that actually, oh really, I've only done
Speaker 1: it for the last seven years.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys.
Speaker 1: There are so many curly myths, and honestly, they really
Speaker 1: frustrate me because it just makes curly hair seem so
Speaker 1: complicated and it doesn't need to.
Speaker 3: Be that complicated. I know, it's just hair.
Speaker 1: So the first myth, and the biggest myth for curly
Speaker 1: hair is that you have to be using the curly
Speaker 1: girl method. And this is not true. This is false,
Speaker 1: and we have to debunk this. The Curly Girl Method
Speaker 1: is basically something that was formulated quite a while ago,
Speaker 1: i'd say in the twenty tens, to help women and
Speaker 1: people with curly hair learn how to use their curls
Speaker 1: or learn how to do their hair effectively. But it
Speaker 1: is just a little bit dated and it's not one
Speaker 1: size fits all. So the Curly Girl Method has a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of dooze and don'ts Jesse, let's hop into them,
Speaker 1: let's read them out.
Speaker 2: So here are a couple of the don'ts, and it's
Speaker 2: don't wash your hair too much, don't use any shampoos
Speaker 2: that contain sulfates or silicones, don't brush or CoNb your hair,
Speaker 2: as this pulls out the hair's natural curl pattern, so
Speaker 2: instead you're gonna run your fingers through your hair to
Speaker 2: brush it out.
Speaker 3: And then some of the doos are to co.
Speaker 2: Wash, to use Curly Girl approved products, and to use
Speaker 2: moisturizers that have like alavira and flaxeed in it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So in terms of the Curly Girl approved products,
Speaker 1: this would look like a range coming out with no alcohol,
Speaker 1: no silicones, no sulfates, and usually it doesn't have any
Speaker 1: shampoo in the range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the no Pooh shampoo.
Speaker 1: Yes, so the no Pooh method kind of came out
Speaker 1: of this curly Girl method, and they are both things
Speaker 1: that we just must stop.
Speaker 3: Doing as curly girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what's marketed as something for curly hair may
Speaker 2: actually be detrimental to your curls, which is a crazy
Speaker 2: thing to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this method, the curly Girl movement method,
Speaker 1: is really great for coily and kinky hair. But let's
Speaker 1: talk about why it is a myth and why we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it if we don't have kinky or
Speaker 1: coily hair. So number one, using no shampoo for curls
Speaker 1: is the biggest myth.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 1: This is not going to make your curls any better
Speaker 1: at all. It's actually going to make them so much worse.
Speaker 2: It leads to product build up, It leads to hair loss,
Speaker 2: It leads to a dirty and flaking, itchy scalp, which
Speaker 2: is like affecting the environment that your scalp has and
Speaker 2: therefore your curls.
Speaker 3: Exactly, if you're.
Speaker 1: Hair is not growing, if you've noticed a significant change
Speaker 1: in your curl pattern, it probably is because you've cut
Speaker 1: out shampoo. So when you're listening to and following you
Speaker 1: know influencers and people who are promoting the Curly Girl
Speaker 1: movement method, what this routine would look like is first
Speaker 1: you would use a co wash product, So this is
Speaker 1: kind of a blend between a conditioner and a shampoo,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have any of the stripping so called
Speaker 1: stripping properties that a regular shampoo would have. So it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be better for your curls because it is
Speaker 1: more hydrating and it doesn't kind of strip the natural
Speaker 1: oils instead.
Speaker 3: Was what is it doing now?
Speaker 2: Like I said before, it's actually like causing a lot
Speaker 2: of product build up and then your hair can't reach
Speaker 2: its full potential. Your curls can't form because it's so dirty,
Speaker 2: essentially limp.
Speaker 3: It has so much product builds lifeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really affects, like product build up for curly
Speaker 1: hair really affects the overall look and health of your hair.
Speaker 1: And it's really not spoken about enough. The Curly Girl
Speaker 1: method promotes using really thick and heavy products all the time,
Speaker 1: and alongside that, it promotes not cleansing your hair properly.
Speaker 1: So how do those two things marry? If you've got
Speaker 1: finer textured.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the curls with load to medium density curls? Like,
Speaker 2: that's not going to work for you. It's just not
Speaker 2: it's gonna make your curls like die.
Speaker 1: Basically, instead of using a Curly Girl approved range that
Speaker 1: you know doesn't have a good shampoo, we really suggest
Speaker 1: using a good shampoo. So this is a really great
Speaker 1: range that me and Jesse have been using ever since
Speaker 1: we transitioned from wearing our hair straight and straightened to
Speaker 1: wearing our natural curls.
Speaker 2: And this product line that we recommend is from CPR.
Speaker 2: It's their Curly Solution quad pack and it's only seventy
Speaker 2: eight dollars ninety five from Oz Hair and Beauty. But
Speaker 2: this is for a whole pack. You've got shampoo, conditioner,
Speaker 2: and does it also come with.
Speaker 3: It's got a treatment, and it also has a styling product.
Speaker 2: Which is just incredible. Like you compare that to like
Speaker 2: a foundation you buy exactly six seventy dollars, But you
Speaker 2: can buy a whole hair range for curls, which is
Speaker 2: like another myth that we just busted because it's like
Speaker 2: people say that it's expensive to care for your curls.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's easier to strain in your hair.
Speaker 3: And that's just not true, it's not at all.
Speaker 1: I think that it seems like curly hair is not accessible,
Speaker 1: like products for curly hair are not accessible, But that's
Speaker 1: really changed in the last few years, which is an
Speaker 1: amazing thing to see.
Speaker 3: So that's a big myth.
Speaker 1: And if you're using that as an excuse.
Speaker 3: To not where your hair curly, yeah you are got out.
Speaker 2: Also underneath this, what like picks my brain the most
Speaker 2: is the fact that they say no detangling with a brush,
Speaker 2: like use your fingers.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? I'm sorry, but like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you can brush straight hair with your fingers,
Speaker 2: but no curly hair can be brushed with your finger.
Speaker 1: It's such an obscene thing to even think about. My
Speaker 1: hair gets so knotty and gets a lot of micro knots,
Speaker 1: especially because of the length because of you know, obviously
Speaker 1: textured hair. So the thought of not using a correct
Speaker 1: brush to comb through your hair just sounds insane because
Speaker 1: your fingers are going to pull so much of your
Speaker 1: hair out and they're not even going to get all
Speaker 1: the knots out exactly.
Speaker 2: So a brush that me and Jamie use in the
Speaker 2: shower that we highly recommend is the Ugly Swan Wet
Speaker 2: screen free hair brush, and this is thirty five dollars. Honestly,
Speaker 2: this has reduced the amount of hair fallout in the shower,
Speaker 2: but it really does help to get rid of the
Speaker 2: knots and it reduces the amount of time I'm detangling
Speaker 2: my hair.
Speaker 3: For the brush that you use.
Speaker 1: Is actually super important, especially for detangling, and this brush
Speaker 1: is a little bit flexible, so it kind of works
Speaker 1: with your hair better than being a very stiff traditional
Speaker 1: hair brush that you know, we always see the hair
Speaker 1: brush snapping with oily hair.
Speaker 3: I've actually had that happen before, so this is a
Speaker 3: really great brush for that.
Speaker 1: If you have kinky or coily hair, I highly suggest
Speaker 1: just an afrocomb.
Speaker 3: They are super cheap.
Speaker 1: You can get them from any dollar store, and this
Speaker 1: is going to be great for detangling and picking out dreads.
Speaker 3: Or coils that you want to get rid of.
Speaker 1: One range which we've spoken about heaps, which we absolutely
Speaker 1: love and it's so affordable, is the Treasumet Curl shampoo
Speaker 1: and conditioner, and they've also.
Speaker 3: Got the little Serum oil.
Speaker 1: Well. You can get each product for around fifteen to
Speaker 1: thirty dollars depending on the sale. So you could literally
Speaker 1: get a shampoo and a conditioner both for thirty bucks.
Speaker 1: That is very afford afordable. Yeah, so stop using that
Speaker 1: as an excuse. It doesn't have to be expensive to
Speaker 1: manage curls.
Speaker 3: I actually would vouch the opposite.
Speaker 2: I think it's more expensive if you go down the
Speaker 2: route of straightening in your hair, because where does that
Speaker 2: lead you.
Speaker 3: You straighten your hair, you kill your curls, and then
Speaker 3: you're like, oh no, my hair's dead. I need to
Speaker 3: get a cut, I need to get a treatment.
Speaker 2: I need to pay for like less damaging straight Now,
Speaker 2: let me buy the dice and four hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: Dollars later, I have much stuff. It's more than that.
Speaker 3: Oh how much is it? I'm pretty sure it's like
Speaker 3: sixty six.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars later. And you're telling me that it's more
Speaker 2: expensive to care for your curls. Girls, stop lying to yourself.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: You just need to spend a little bit of time,
Speaker 1: you know, getting rid of that heat damage.
Speaker 3: But there is so much I love that.
Speaker 1: There is like a lot more affordable ranges and they
Speaker 1: are great. And the thing is with going back to
Speaker 1: the curly girl movement before, these brands are kind of
Speaker 1: ripping you when they tagline, when they stick on curly
Speaker 1: Girl movement approved, it's kind of like it's like how
Speaker 1: brand's greenwash. They're now like c washing. Curly girls don't
Speaker 1: need to be spending that much money for products that
Speaker 1: aren't as effective with your hair.
Speaker 3: Which brings us to another myth.
Speaker 2: And this myth is that you can only use products
Speaker 2: that are curly girl branded.
Speaker 1: Yes, that a cur like that are specifically you know,
Speaker 1: made for curly girls. Yeah, but it's not even that
Speaker 1: they're made they're just mucked for curly girls. And that's
Speaker 1: false because I know for me that in my own routine,
Speaker 1: I've got two products that aren't specifically designed for curly
Speaker 1: hair but just works so incredibly.
Speaker 3: Well for me. And that's my shampoo and that's the
Speaker 3: Moose I'm using.
Speaker 2: So that just proves that you don't just need to
Speaker 2: be going for even just a curly Moose or a
Speaker 2: no Pooh shampoo.
Speaker 3: You don't need to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that finding products that work for you
Speaker 1: can be super versatile and doesn't have to slot into
Speaker 1: you know, these specific categories. One of my absolute favorite
Speaker 1: products of all time is not marketed for curly hair
Speaker 1: at all. It's just marketed for all hair types. And
Speaker 1: it is a literally an award winning product by Natalie
Speaker 1: and it's a prep and play hair cream. It is
Speaker 1: more on the pricey side, it's fifty two dollars, but
Speaker 1: it's so versatile. I'll use this for a slick hairstyle.
Speaker 1: I'll use this if I'm blow drying my hair straight.
Speaker 1: I'll use this if I'm refreshing my curls.
Speaker 3: It's just so versatile.
Speaker 1: Love versatile, exactly, and that's really good to invest in
Speaker 1: rather than, you know, one specific curl product that is
Speaker 1: damaging your hair just because it says it's sulfate free.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about kind
Speaker 1: of the no shampoo though. Yeah, I think with you know,
Speaker 1: with products that are marketed to be sulfate free, sometimes
Speaker 1: sulfates is actually good for your hair, especially if you
Speaker 1: are a curly girl, because we need to be getting
Speaker 1: rid of all that product build up. And that is
Speaker 1: why I recommended the CPR Curly Solutions Quad Pack. These
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily products that have you know, they have silicones
Speaker 1: and they have sulfates, but they work so well to
Speaker 1: care for your curly hair. So it just shows that
Speaker 1: you can have a whole bunch of different products and
Speaker 1: different ranges that don't fit into the curly girl method.
Speaker 3: That work well for curls.
Speaker 1: This is what we suggest to so many people if
Speaker 1: they're starting their curly hair journey because it is affordable,
Speaker 1: but it just creates incredible results. And this is something
Speaker 1: we always keep in our hair regym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always like that go to stable product that
Speaker 2: if your hair's going through the works, go back to
Speaker 2: the CIPR, like create that baseline and then like work
Speaker 2: your way back up from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think a funny myth is that all curly
Speaker 3: hair is thick. I think it's such a silly myth.
Speaker 1: People always say to me, oh my gosh, you have
Speaker 1: you have really thick hair, and then they'll see me
Speaker 1: wearing like a slick back, you know bun, you know,
Speaker 1: a clean girl bum, and they're like, how do you
Speaker 1: get all your hair in that bun?
Speaker 3: It's not that thick. Yeah, I've actually got really thin hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both have like finer density curls, and that
Speaker 1: again goes to show that you don't need to be
Speaker 1: using thick pomades, thick gel, thick creams, because that is
Speaker 1: not effective for all curl types. It's really funny to
Speaker 1: see brands like slapping this curly Girl method onto products
Speaker 1: just catered for one type of curls. There are so
Speaker 1: many different types of curls.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we'll try again, brands.
Speaker 1: Tragan. Another myth that we both find hilarious is that
Speaker 1: the big chop is going to be your saving grace
Speaker 1: and that's going to fix your curls.
Speaker 3: It's not. I've done it, I've been there. It didn't work.
Speaker 3: We both did it at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right before Italy, and that was tragic. One was
Speaker 2: ugly in Italy because our hair was so limp.
Speaker 1: So what we both decided to do was, at that
Speaker 1: time we were both struggling with curl texture. Our hair
Speaker 1: wasn't bouncing up as much, our curls were not as
Speaker 1: tight and coily as they used to be, so we thought, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone always talks about the big chop being the solution.
Speaker 1: We thought that if we cut our hair it would bring.
Speaker 3: That bounce back to it. It did no bounce. There
Speaker 3: was no bounce. It was just sad limp hair. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just shorter now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing that we do do when our hair is
Speaker 2: doo doo doo, when our hair is starting to feel
Speaker 2: and look a little bit limp, is we'll use a
Speaker 2: protein treatment for our hair in the shower, and that
Speaker 2: oftentimes does sort of help the curls bring back life
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: Definitely does.
Speaker 1: So if you are thinking that the big top is
Speaker 1: a solution, and say you have healthy hair, your hair
Speaker 1: is healthy, it's not going to do anything at all.
Speaker 1: It's not going to bring back your curl pattern. All
Speaker 1: it's going to do is just you know, change the
Speaker 1: shape of your hair. Now, when we do suggest to
Speaker 1: do the big chop is if you have heat damaged
Speaker 1: hair and say the end of your hair is dead
Speaker 1: straight and scraggly.
Speaker 2: Because you got keratin treatment, like that needs to go
Speaker 2: Exactly you.
Speaker 3: Need to chop those bits off.
Speaker 1: Say you've got curls growing out of your scalp and
Speaker 1: then from like your chin down it's straight.
Speaker 3: Okay, obviously, chop them off, chop them.
Speaker 1: Off, but besides that, it's really not necessary. Okay, one more,
Speaker 1: I have another myth okay that you need to frequently
Speaker 1: be trimming your curls so that it grows more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one upsets me because I like fed into
Speaker 2: that for way too long.
Speaker 1: Guys, your hair grows from the top of your hair,
Speaker 1: not from the bottom.
Speaker 2: If your hair is healthy and your agen is good
Speaker 2: for your hair, you should be like the hair density
Speaker 2: from the top of the strand to the bottom of
Speaker 2: the strand shouldn't change too much from between your cuts,
Speaker 2: and therefore you don't have to have as many cuts.
Speaker 1: You don't need one every three months. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to grow out your curls, what you
Speaker 1: do need to do is do on every six months
Speaker 1: and trim off the lip like the dead ends or
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit lighter in color.
Speaker 3: The reason that.
Speaker 1: People suggest doing cuts three months is that if you
Speaker 1: do have dead ends, it's going to split the hair
Speaker 1: and then it's going to create breakage and make your
Speaker 1: hair look thinner.
Speaker 3: Obviously we want to get rid of that.
Speaker 1: But if you have a healthy hair, if you have
Speaker 1: healthy hair and good hair routine, you don't need to
Speaker 1: be trimming it every three months.
Speaker 3: You're just getting rid of length.
Speaker 1: You're just you know, stopping that overall look of long curls.
Speaker 1: So six months for a trim is all you need.
Speaker 2: And I think ways to stop your hair from getting
Speaker 2: the breakage and getting the split ends is like the
Speaker 2: styles that you're doing, Like when you're sticking your hair back,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get breakage and then you're gonna need.
Speaker 3: To cut your hair more often.
Speaker 2: If you're using a clow clip, it causes a lot
Speaker 2: of tension in the same spot. Constantly swap it out
Speaker 2: for a hairpin.
Speaker 3: Like you have to try and do.
Speaker 2: Protective styles that aren't going to affect your curls and
Speaker 2: like cause the breakage which makes you have to get
Speaker 2: a cut.
Speaker 3: That's so true.
Speaker 1: Wearing your hair out is always going to be the
Speaker 1: best possible way to wear your curls, even though it
Speaker 1: can be a little bit exhausting, always wearing it out,
Speaker 1: it is much better. As Jesse said, then you know
Speaker 1: wearing tension hairstyles. My hairstyle is I literally got a
Speaker 1: trim yesterday, guys, and we cut the littlest bit off
Speaker 1: just as I said before, just any like light colored
Speaker 1: dry spots. She said that in the back of my
Speaker 1: hair she can tell that there's a little bit more
Speaker 1: breakage and a little bit more like less health overall.
Speaker 1: But that's because obviously this is where I wear my
Speaker 1: hair most often. It's if it's up, so you can
Speaker 1: try and like, if you do have to wear your
Speaker 1: hair up, you can try and just put it in
Speaker 1: different spots each day.
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, do a high ponytail.
Speaker 1: Than a mid than a low, just to like even
Speaker 1: out a little bit, especially if you work and you
Speaker 1: have to put your hair up.
Speaker 2: For me, the best thing has been like these pins. Yes, friends, come,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing like it's not causing attention anyway. It's
Speaker 2: like my own hair is holding itself up and then
Speaker 2: the pin just like yeap, helps it stay in place.
Speaker 1: Because it's not laying flat against your scalp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so great.
Speaker 1: It just like is a healthy way. We've spoken about
Speaker 1: them before, but they're so affordable. We got a pack
Speaker 1: of like twenty off Amazon for nine dollars.
Speaker 3: Nine dollars for really cute hairpins, and I look really
Speaker 3: pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Little mermaid princess things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love them.
Speaker 2: I'll that you can see.
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