Speaker 1: Hey, beauties, It's Jamie Joe and Jesse Massu and welcome
Speaker 1: to Ski Influence, a podcast dedicated to beauty, fashion and
Speaker 1: self love, turning your weakness into your uniqueness. Before we
Speaker 1: get started, we'd like to acknowledge the custodians of the
Speaker 1: land on which we record the gadical people of the Eoronation.
Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are debunking curly girl myths. There
Speaker 2: is so much misinformation out there surrounding curly hair and
Speaker 2: curly hair care, and we are so sick of it.
Speaker 1: So let's put some of these myths to bed and
Speaker 1: give you all the correct information for your curly hair.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I love talking about curly hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that actually, oh really, I've only done
Speaker 1: it for the last seven years. Okay, guys. There are
Speaker 1: so many curly myths, and honestly, they really frustrate me
Speaker 1: because it just makes curly hair seem so complicated and
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be that complicated.
Speaker 2: I know, it's just hair.
Speaker 1: So the first myth, and the biggest myth for curly
Speaker 1: hair is that you have to be using the curly
Speaker 1: girl method. And this is not true. This is false
Speaker 1: and we have to debunk this. The Curly Girl Method
Speaker 1: is basically something that was formulated quite a while ago,
Speaker 1: i'd say in the twenty tens, to help women and
Speaker 1: people with curly hair learn how to use their curls
Speaker 1: or learn how to do their hair effectively. But it
Speaker 1: is just a little bit dated and it's not one
Speaker 1: size fits all. So the Curly Girl Method has a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of dooze and don'ts Jesse, let's hop into them,
Speaker 1: let's read them out.
Speaker 2: So here are a couple of the don'ts, and it's
Speaker 2: don't wash your hair too much, don't use any shampoos
Speaker 2: that contain sulfates or silicones, don't brush or CoNb your hair,
Speaker 2: as this pulls out the hair's natural curl pattern, so
Speaker 2: instead you're gonna run your fingers through your hair to
Speaker 2: brush it out. And then some of the doos are
Speaker 2: to co wash, to use Curly Girl approved products, and
Speaker 2: to use moisturizers that have like alavira and flaxeed in it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So in terms of the Curly Girl approved products,
Speaker 1: this would look like a range coming out with no alcohol,
Speaker 1: no silicones, no sulfates, and usually it doesn't have any
Speaker 1: shampoo in the range.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the no Pooh shampoo.
Speaker 1: Yes, so the no Pooh method kind of came out
Speaker 1: of this curly Girl method, and they are both things
Speaker 1: that we just must stop doing as curly girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what's marketed as something for curly hair may
Speaker 2: actually be detrimental to your curls, which is a crazy
Speaker 2: thing to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this method, the curly Girl movement method,
Speaker 1: is really great for coily and kinky hair. But let's
Speaker 1: talk about why it is a myth and why we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it if we don't have kinky or
Speaker 1: coily hair. So number one, using no shampoo for curls
Speaker 1: is the biggest myth. Ever. This is not going to
Speaker 1: make your curls any better at all. It's actually going
Speaker 1: to make them so much worse.
Speaker 2: It leads to product build up, It leads to hair loss,
Speaker 2: It leads to a dirty and flaking, itchy scalp, which
Speaker 2: is like affecting the environment that your scalp has and
Speaker 2: therefore your curls.
Speaker 1: Exactly, if you're hair is not growing, if you've noticed
Speaker 1: a significant change in your curl pattern, it probably is
Speaker 1: because you've cut out shampoo. So when you're listening to
Speaker 1: and following you know influencers and people who are promoting
Speaker 1: the Curly Girl movement method, what this routine would look
Speaker 1: like is first you would use a co wash product,
Speaker 1: So this is kind of a blend between a conditioner
Speaker 1: and a shampoo, but it doesn't have any of the
Speaker 1: stripping so called stripping properties that a regular shampoo would have.
Speaker 1: So it's supposed to be better for your curls because
Speaker 1: it is more hydrating and it doesn't kind of strip
Speaker 1: the natural oils instead.
Speaker 2: Was what is it doing now? Like I said before,
Speaker 2: it's actually like causing a lot of product build up
Speaker 2: and then your hair can't reach its full potential. Your
Speaker 2: curls can't form because it's so dirty, essentially limp. It
Speaker 2: has so much product builds lifeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really affects, like product build up for curly
Speaker 1: hair really affects the overall look and health of your hair.
Speaker 1: And it's really not spoken about enough. The Curly Girl
Speaker 1: method promotes using really thick and heavy products all the time,
Speaker 1: and alongside that, it promotes not cleansing your hair properly.
Speaker 1: So how do those two things marry? If you've got
Speaker 1: finer textured.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the curls with load to medium density curls? Like,
Speaker 2: that's not going to work for you. It's just not
Speaker 2: it's gonna make your curls like die.
Speaker 1: Basically, instead of using a Curly Girl approved range that
Speaker 1: you know doesn't have a good shampoo, we really suggest
Speaker 1: using a good shampoo. So this is a really great
Speaker 1: range that me and Jesse have been using ever since
Speaker 1: we transitioned from wearing our hair straight and straightened to
Speaker 1: wearing our natural curls.
Speaker 2: And this product line that we recommend is from CPR.
Speaker 2: It's their Curly Solution quad pack and it's only seventy
Speaker 2: eight dollars ninety five from Oz Hair and Beauty. But
Speaker 2: this is for a whole pack. You've got shampoo, conditioner,
Speaker 2: and does it also come with.
Speaker 1: It's got a treatment, and it also has a styling product.
Speaker 2: Which is just incredible. Like you compare that to like
Speaker 2: a foundation you buy exactly six seventy dollars, But you
Speaker 2: can buy a whole hair range for curls, which is
Speaker 2: like another myth that we just busted because it's like
Speaker 2: people say that it's expensive to care for your curls.
Speaker 2: And that's why it's easier to strain in your hair.
Speaker 2: And that's just not true, it's not at all.
Speaker 1: I think that it seems like curly hair is not accessible,
Speaker 1: like products for curly hair are not accessible. But that's
Speaker 1: really changed in the last few years, which is an
Speaker 1: amazing thing to see. So that's a big myth. And
Speaker 1: if you're using that as an excuse.
Speaker 2: To not where your hair curly, yeah you are got out.
Speaker 2: Also underneath this, what like picks my brain the most
Speaker 2: is the fact that they say no detangling with a brush,
Speaker 2: like use your fingers.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like, yeah, maybe you can brush straight
Speaker 2: hair with your fingers, but no curly hair can be
Speaker 2: brushed with your finger.
Speaker 1: It's such an obscene thing to even think about. My
Speaker 1: hair gets so knotty and gets a lot of micro knots,
Speaker 1: especially because of the length because of you know, obviously
Speaker 1: textured hair. Yeah, so the thought of not using a
Speaker 1: correct brush to comb through your hair just sounds insane
Speaker 1: because your fingers are going to pull so much of
Speaker 1: your hair out and they're not even going to get
Speaker 1: all the knots out exactly.
Speaker 2: So a brush that me and Jamie use in the
Speaker 2: shower that we highly recommend is the Ugly Swan Wet
Speaker 2: screen free hair brush, and this is thirty five dollars. Honestly,
Speaker 2: this has reduced the amount of hair fallout in the shower,
Speaker 2: but it really does help to get rid of the
Speaker 2: knots and it reduces the amount of time I'm detangling
Speaker 2: my hair. For the brush that you use.
Speaker 1: Is actually super important, especially for detangling, and this brush
Speaker 1: is a little bit flexible, so it kind of works
Speaker 1: with your hair better than being a very stiff traditional
Speaker 1: hair brush that you know, we always see the hair
Speaker 1: brush snapping with oily hair. I've actually had that happen before,
Speaker 1: so this is a really great brush for that. If
Speaker 1: you have kinky or coily hair, I highly suggest just
Speaker 1: an afrocomb. They are super cheap. You can get them
Speaker 1: from any dollar store, and this is going to be
Speaker 1: great for detangling and picking out dreads or coils that
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of. One range which we've
Speaker 1: spoken about heaps, which we absolutely love and it's so affordable,
Speaker 1: is the Treasumet Curl shampoo and conditioner, and they've also
Speaker 1: got the little serum oil. Well. You can get each
Speaker 1: product for around fifteen to thirty dollars depending on the sale.
Speaker 1: So you could literally get a shampoo and a conditioner
Speaker 1: both for thirty bucks. That is very afford afordable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so stop using that as an excuse. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be expensive to manage curls.
Speaker 2: I actually would vouch the opposite. I think it's more
Speaker 2: expensive if you go down the route of straightening in
Speaker 2: your hair, because where does that lead you. You straighten
Speaker 2: your hair, you kill your curls, and then you're like,
Speaker 2: oh no, my hair's dead. I need to get a.
Speaker 1: Cut, I need to get a treatment.
Speaker 2: I need to pay for like less damaging straight Now,
Speaker 2: let me buy the dice and four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars later, I have much stuff.
Speaker 1: It's more than that.
Speaker 2: Oh how much is it?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's like sixty six.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars later. And you're telling me that it's more
Speaker 2: expensive to care for your curls. Girls, stop lying to yourself.
Speaker 1: It's true. You just need to spend a little bit
Speaker 1: of time, you know, getting rid of that heat damage.
Speaker 1: But there is so much I love that. There is
Speaker 1: like a lot more affordable ranges and they are great.
Speaker 1: And the thing is with going back to the curly
Speaker 1: girl movement before, these brands are kind of ripping you
Speaker 1: when they tagline, when they stick on curly Girl movement approved,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's like how brand's greenwash. They're
Speaker 1: now like c washing. Curly girls don't need to be
Speaker 1: spending that much money for products that aren't as effective
Speaker 1: with your hair.
Speaker 2: Which brings us to another myth.
Speaker 1: And this myth is that you can only use products
Speaker 1: that are curly girl branded. Yes, that a cur like
Speaker 1: that are specifically you know, made for curly girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not even that they're made they're just mucked
Speaker 1: for curly girls. And that's false because I know for
Speaker 1: me that in my own routine, I've got two products
Speaker 1: that aren't specifically designed for curly hair but just works
Speaker 1: so incredibly.
Speaker 2: Well for me. And that's my shampoo and that's the
Speaker 2: Moose I'm using. So that just proves that you don't
Speaker 2: just need to be going for even just a curly
Speaker 2: Moose or a no Pooh shampoo.
Speaker 1: You don't need to do that. Yeah. I think that
Speaker 1: finding products that work for you can be super versatile
Speaker 1: and doesn't have to slot into you know, these specific categories.
Speaker 1: One of my absolute favorite products of all time is
Speaker 1: not marketed for curly hair at all. It's just marketed
Speaker 1: for all hair types. And it is a literally an
Speaker 1: award winning product by Natalie and it's a prep and
Speaker 1: play hair cream. It is more on the pricey side,
Speaker 1: it's fifty two dollars, but it's so versatile. I'll use
Speaker 1: this for a slick hairstyle. I'll use this if I'm
Speaker 1: blow drying my hair straight. I'll use this if I'm
Speaker 1: refreshing my curls. It's just so versatile. Love versatile, exactly,
Speaker 1: and that's really good to invest in rather than, you know,
Speaker 1: one specific curl product that is damaging your hair just
Speaker 1: because it says it's sulfate free. I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about kind of the no shampoo though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think with you know, with products that are marketed
Speaker 1: to be sulfate free, sometimes sulfates is actually good for
Speaker 1: your hair, especially if you are a curly girl, because
Speaker 1: we need to be getting rid of all that product
Speaker 1: build up. And that is why I recommended the CPR
Speaker 1: Curly Solutions Quad Pack. These aren't necessarily products that have
Speaker 1: you know, they have silicones and they have sulfates, but
Speaker 1: they work so well to care for your curly hair.
Speaker 1: So it just shows that you can have a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of different products and different ranges that don't fit
Speaker 1: into the curly girl method that work well for curls.
Speaker 1: This is what we suggest to so many people if
Speaker 1: they're starting their curly hair journey because it is affordable,
Speaker 1: but it just creates incredible results. And this is something
Speaker 1: we always keep in our hair regym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always like that go to stable product that
Speaker 2: if your hair's going through the works, go back to
Speaker 2: the CIPR, like create that baseline and then like work
Speaker 2: your way back up from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think a funny myth is that all curly hair
Speaker 2: is thick.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a silly myth. People always say
Speaker 1: to me, oh my gosh, you have you have really
Speaker 1: thick hair, and then they'll see me wearing like a
Speaker 1: slick back, you know bun, you know, a clean girl bum,
Speaker 1: and they're like, how do you get all your hair
Speaker 1: in that bun? It's not that thick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually got really thin hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both have like finer density curls, and that
Speaker 1: again goes to show that you don't need to be
Speaker 1: using thick pomades, thick gel, thick creams, because that is
Speaker 1: not effective for all curl types. It's really funny to
Speaker 1: see brands like slapping this curly Girl method onto products
Speaker 1: just catered for one type of curls. There are so
Speaker 1: many different types of curls.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we'll try again, brands.
Speaker 1: Tragan. Another myth that we both find hilarious is that
Speaker 1: the big chop is going to be your saving grace
Speaker 1: and that's going to fix your curls. It's not.
Speaker 2: I've done it, I've been there. It didn't work.
Speaker 1: We both did it at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right before Italy, and that was tragic. One was
Speaker 2: ugly in Italy because our hair was so limp.
Speaker 1: So what we both decided to do was, at that
Speaker 1: time we were both struggling with curl texture. Our hair
Speaker 1: wasn't bouncing up as much, our curls were not as
Speaker 1: tight and coily as they used to be, so we thought, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone always talks about the big chop being the solution.
Speaker 1: We thought that if we cut our hair it would bring.
Speaker 2: That bounce back to it. It did no bounce. There
Speaker 2: was no bounce. It was just sad limp hair. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just shorter now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing that we do do when our hair is
Speaker 2: doo doo doo, when our hair is starting to feel
Speaker 2: and look a little bit limp, is we'll use a
Speaker 2: protein treatment for our hair in the shower, and that
Speaker 2: oftentimes does sort of help the curls bring back life
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: Definitely does. So if you are thinking that the big
Speaker 1: top is a solution, and say you have healthy hair,
Speaker 1: your hair is healthy, it's not going to do anything
Speaker 1: at all. It's not going to bring back your curl pattern.
Speaker 1: All it's going to do is just you know, change
Speaker 1: the shape of your hair. Now, when we do suggest
Speaker 1: to do the big chop is if you have heat
Speaker 1: damaged hair and say the end of your hair is
Speaker 1: dead straight and scraggly because you got keratin treatment, like
Speaker 1: that needs to go Exactly you need to chop those
Speaker 1: bits off. Say you've got curls growing out of your
Speaker 1: scalp and then from like your chin down it's straight. Okay, obviously,
Speaker 1: chop them off, chop them off, but besides that, it's
Speaker 1: really not necessary. Okay, one more, I have another myth
Speaker 1: okay that you need to frequently be trimming your curls
Speaker 1: so that it grows more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one upsets me because I like fed into
Speaker 2: that for way too long.
Speaker 1: Guys, your hair grows from the top of your hair,
Speaker 1: not from the bottom.
Speaker 2: If your hair is healthy and your agen is good
Speaker 2: for your hair, you should be like the hair density
Speaker 2: from the top of the strand to the bottom of
Speaker 2: the strand shouldn't change too much from between your cuts,
Speaker 2: and therefore you don't have to have as many cuts.
Speaker 1: You don't need one every three months. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to grow out your curls, what you
Speaker 1: do need to do is do on every six months
Speaker 1: and trim off the lip like the dead ends or
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit lighter in color. The reason
Speaker 1: that people suggest doing cuts three months is that if
Speaker 1: you do have dead ends, it's going to split the
Speaker 1: hair and then it's going to create breakage and make
Speaker 1: your hair look thinner. Obviously we want to get rid
Speaker 1: of that. But if you have a healthy hair, if
Speaker 1: you have healthy hair and good hair routine, you don't
Speaker 1: need to be trimming it every three months. You're just
Speaker 1: getting rid of length. You're just you know, stopping that
Speaker 1: overall look of long curls, So six months for a
Speaker 1: trim is all you Neique.
Speaker 2: And I think ways to stop your hair from getting
Speaker 2: the breakage and getting the split ends is like the
Speaker 2: styles that you're doing, Like when you're sticking your hair back,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get breakage and then you're gonna need to
Speaker 2: cut your hair more often. Like if you're using a
Speaker 2: clow clip, it causes a lot of tension in the
Speaker 2: same spot, constantly swap it out for a hairpin, Like
Speaker 2: you have to try and do protective styles that aren't
Speaker 2: going to affect your curls and like cause the breakage
Speaker 2: which makes you have to get a cut.
Speaker 1: That's so true. Wearing your hair out is always going
Speaker 1: to be the best possible way to wear your curls,
Speaker 1: even though it can be a little bit exhausting, always
Speaker 1: wearing it out it is much better. As Jesse said,
Speaker 1: then you know wearing tension hairstyles. My hairstyle is I
Speaker 1: literally got a trim yesterday, guys, and we cut the
Speaker 1: littlest bit off just as I said before, just any
Speaker 1: like light colored dry spots. She said that in the
Speaker 1: back of my hair she can tell that there's a
Speaker 1: little bit more breakage and a little bit more like
Speaker 1: less health overall. But that's because obviously this is where
Speaker 1: I wear my hair most often. It's if it's up,
Speaker 1: so you can try and like, if you do have
Speaker 1: to wear your hair up, you can try and just
Speaker 1: put it in different spots each day. Maybe yeah, do
Speaker 1: a high ponytail than a mid than a low, just
Speaker 1: to like even out a little bit, especially if you
Speaker 1: work and you have to put your hair up.
Speaker 2: For me, the best thing has been like these pins. Yes, friends, come,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing like it's not causing attention anyway. It's
Speaker 2: like my own hair is holding itself up and then
Speaker 2: the pin just like yeap helps it stay in place
Speaker 2: because it's not laying.
Speaker 1: Flat against your scalp. Yeah, so great. It just like
Speaker 1: is a healthy way. We've spoken about them before, but
Speaker 1: they're so affordable. We got a pack of like twenty
Speaker 1: off Amazon for nine dollars. Nine dollars for really cute
Speaker 1: hairpins and I look really pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Little mermaid princess things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love them.
Speaker 2: I'll that you can see.
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