WEBVTT - Round 12 Takeaways and Origin Preview

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Coop, like when Galvin to the Dogs, we spotted

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<v Speaker 1>that up Nobbies a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, well, I'm not surprised by it. I'm surprised how

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<v Speaker 1>quickly this has all happened. And so they said the

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<v Speaker 1>movie is imminent, They've got to buy this weekend. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>make his debut if they pick him in first grade

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<v Speaker 1>coops against ironically against Paramatta, the team that he had

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to go to and knock back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what to make of it because if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at their list now, like Sexton, Burton, Galvin

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<v Speaker 2>man Hey, there's a lot of a lot of ball hands,

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<v Speaker 2>the way they play. There's a lot of noise around

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<v Speaker 2>Galvin for a young kid, and I think I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if surrender do you think he plays in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales Cup? Would you put him straight back in? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I would too, yeah, because there's so much noise around

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<v Speaker 2>this kid. I don't know what's right. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's wrong. But if you're in part of the team

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<v Speaker 2>that's on top of the ladder doing all these things

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<v Speaker 2>that a team first mentality has right now for the Dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>they are besides what happened recently, what they're doing. Geez,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to earn your stripes to be in that team.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it says a lot. I think it says

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about the club. But also it's what Saldo

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<v Speaker 1>and Gus are saying to the team. If they may

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<v Speaker 1>lockey go through New South Will's Cup and Ernie's jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like that. I think that is the right

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<v Speaker 2>path if he comes straight in over the top. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure where he plays, what the style of plays,

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<v Speaker 2>and where who fits.

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<v Speaker 1>In the g Let's imagine he doesn't play New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales Cup, so he either plays six thirteen or fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing fourteen. But okay, but that's Bailey Hayward's role.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's been very good.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been very very good. There's been noise constantly around Toby.

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<v Speaker 1>Toby Sexton, who has been very good the last twelve months,

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<v Speaker 1>had a couple of poor performances recently. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't throw a black and okay in the

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<v Speaker 1>trash can who's been good from period of time on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of on the back of a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>poor performances. So I don't exactly know where they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to place him. I see him as a sixth in

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<v Speaker 1>the next eighteen months. I see him as eventually as

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<v Speaker 1>a thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think he can play seven right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No decision making, kicking game temperament. There's a few things

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<v Speaker 2>that Toby Sex is doing well that compliments what the

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs are doing. Could he play seven? Look Sirealdo has

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<v Speaker 2>a history of working with Nathan Cleary. He's done a

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<v Speaker 2>good job with Sexton to get to him to where

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<v Speaker 2>he is. So I'm not going to say that he can't,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's going to need a lot of mentorship over

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<v Speaker 2>the next two three years before you even consider that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So what do they do now? That's that's a trigger situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Coops, It's actually an opportunity for Toby. Toby

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at the moment going, oh jeez, you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's coming to assist meets the end of me with

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<v Speaker 1>all the noise and the fact he hasn't been offered

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<v Speaker 1>a new contract. But if the Galvin was to come

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Bulldogs slip into the six, Jersey Burton

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<v Speaker 1>moved somewhere else and he in sext and started, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know you Crichton and Cherry there, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where they I don't see I don't see Burton's

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<v Speaker 1>full that people are saying they could play fullback. I

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<v Speaker 1>think kind of Tracy has been fantastic there, But I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't see Burton express enough to play to play fullback.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. But if he was to go

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<v Speaker 1>into the six Jersey and I'm talking about like a

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<v Speaker 1>Galvin here and he and Sex and all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden throwing up this fantastic partnership and they go on

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<v Speaker 1>to run, well, you know, for Toby, that might that

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<v Speaker 1>might be the thing that actually gets in the new contract.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was talking to Toby Sex and I would

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<v Speaker 2>be saying, don't focus on anything that's being said or

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<v Speaker 2>what you think. Focus on the things you've done well,

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<v Speaker 2>because what you've done well is the point of difference

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<v Speaker 2>to Galvin right now. So keep doing that and force

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<v Speaker 2>the dogs to find another option. Yeah, because he is

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<v Speaker 2>the only one at the moment who can provide that piece.

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<v Speaker 1>When when the dust settles in a month's time, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think, how does that puzzle settle? I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think Burton plays somewhere else. I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Other one is is Yeah, maybe it's thirteen because he

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<v Speaker 2>is a big body, strong defensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Begin to do it, Kurt Man, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe crighton the fullback Burton to the centers, Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to move around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Crichton situation, it's possible. When he originally

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Dogs, that was talking he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to play full back. I like him in the center

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<v Speaker 1>because he's the best defensive, one of the best defensives.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the best, the best center in the game right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So AnyWho, it'll settle. Yeah, we'll find it. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to make before what we're going to do,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to touch on Origin a little bit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we did it last week. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in focus. I'm going to focus on I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a look at Lorie Daly's playing career in Origin.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we do that, I wanted to I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give a young player, the young fullback at Paramatta. This

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<v Speaker 1>bloke is a really, really special player. We're seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>more and more every week. I just want to show

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<v Speaker 1>you something from the game. It's actually my Jumblow Jack

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<v Speaker 1>who saw this and he called me and said, just

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<v Speaker 1>check this out, a really important part of the game

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<v Speaker 1>in the second half. Look at this chase bang and

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<v Speaker 1>hits Turbo gets the first market. You watch this next

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<v Speaker 1>hit bang, like the physicality and then he finds himself

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<v Speaker 1>at marker again and he goes for another one. Now

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, fullbacks usually send the wingers back, but

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<v Speaker 1>he gets back on his bike to protect the forty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're going for it, takes it. And what's the

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<v Speaker 1>physicality in this run? Again? They like, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff you don't pick up in the game. Mainly

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<v Speaker 1>you pick up the flash stuff. But that says a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about.

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<v Speaker 2>That they're the one percent. Is that you could grow

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of X factor skills and he's already got

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<v Speaker 2>the X factor skills. So I love that he is

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<v Speaker 2>underpinning that footwork and the speed that he's got with

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<v Speaker 2>that hard nosed approach because he was brilliant on the week,

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<v Speaker 2>like what he delivered for that team, toughness, safety, smart,

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<v Speaker 2>try scoring like he was very good. And while you

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<v Speaker 2>spotted that from Iongi, I'm going to raise it and

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<v Speaker 2>see what the Sharks did against the Roosters. And in

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<v Speaker 2>fanel Blake big noise around him in a big game

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<v Speaker 2>against the Roosters who are origin affected. This is his

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<v Speaker 2>first effort. This is the first set of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want you to watch Fanila Blake here, he's

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<v Speaker 2>out the back of play. The Roosters are down players,

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<v Speaker 2>Sharks come off a big win against Melbourne. They need

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<v Speaker 2>to start fast and knock the Roosters out of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the effort of Foranila Bloke. We've just

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<v Speaker 2>showed Iongi how hard he worked for his team and

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<v Speaker 2>got the rewards. And here's Fanil Blake, who's been brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>this year, but most of his brilliant work as we

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<v Speaker 2>been with ball in him. So that moment there, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Craig Fitzgibven will spot and say, hey, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to set the standard from the beginning. Because when Fanila

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<v Speaker 2>Blake gets it right and the Sharks were coming against

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<v Speaker 2>the Roosters in that second half, I'll show you another

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<v Speaker 2>bit of play. Here, steams onto the football like he

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<v Speaker 2>shot out of a gun, creates chaos in the Rooster's

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<v Speaker 2>defensive line. And what happens Tunle goes down the other

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<v Speaker 2>side double pump play. So I think Craig Fitzgibbons got

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of work to do with Phil Blake off

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. His efforts and intensity can be influential for

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<v Speaker 2>the Sharks to keep going up the ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably encapsulated the performance from the Sharks. Yeah, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>were off just when you're starting to really go right

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<v Speaker 1>out here we going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they shouldn't have had that effort, considering what they

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<v Speaker 2>did against Melbourne the week before, and off the back

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<v Speaker 2>of that you picked up Halia Seima and some train

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<v Speaker 2>spotting stuff a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I did left handed, left hand carry right hand,

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<v Speaker 1>play the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tarban has been watching this show and he's gone,

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew John's watched this right hand, Yes, play the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, love it. I'll sit with that, yes, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>in for the show in to May, and I'll watching

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<v Speaker 1>HALLI Suma. I just kept saying, happy, happy, watch his

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<v Speaker 1>left hand carry right hand for I think happy was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it is this plog place, which was.

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<v Speaker 2>So any players out there that watch the show, just

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of left hand right action, play the ball

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<v Speaker 2>of whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, have you had a game? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do it. I can't do it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>suggest you can't either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now in focus state of origin. We gave our

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<v Speaker 1>predictions last week. Anything changed is what you think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I still think months through is the key for Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>I still think there'll be some points scored. One thing

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<v Speaker 2>I will say is thinking about, like, what's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in this game. New South Wales won that play

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<v Speaker 2>game won the series with one play at the back

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<v Speaker 2>end of last year, and it's would have sat with

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<v Speaker 2>Billy for long period time. I know how Billy reacts

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<v Speaker 2>to things, and he'd be sitting in his bunker analyzing

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<v Speaker 2>every Queensland play but also picking apart New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>and big games. Billy loved to come up with a player,

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<v Speaker 2>a trick shot, something that just threw the opposition out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it will be, but I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>sure he'll come up with something, either the game plan

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<v Speaker 2>or a trick shot that will sort of try and

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<v Speaker 2>roffle the feathers of New South Wales. So keep an

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<v Speaker 2>eye on that. But I still think Munster. I think

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two fourteen Queensland. I think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an entertaining game.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be entertaining a game, and earlier today Stephen Crichton

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<v Speaker 1>left training, had a nice bag and he's quad, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll find out there. That's a nervous way. He's such

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<v Speaker 1>an important player. That combination Latrell, Mitchell and Stephen Crichton,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as centers, it's as good as it gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, they dominate. Do you think Latrell and Steven Kricht

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<v Speaker 2>is the point of difference?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I think they're dominate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried. I'm worried.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's a great combination given the way that Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>has been playing. If you watch the way Penwth has

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<v Speaker 1>been playing of late and how straight Nathan's been playing,

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<v Speaker 1>and like he's been playing so straight, he's been just

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<v Speaker 1>basically perling an opposition in short and giving his outside

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<v Speaker 1>men so much time and space. With Latrell and Cryton

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<v Speaker 1>vis that's yeah, that's a big opportunity there.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearing and Moses can connect and condense the middle part

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<v Speaker 2>of the defense and create just space for Latrell and Crichton.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Hammer and Rob Toyer need to almost have

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<v Speaker 2>the toy's debut game, but the best defensive performers ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Had you mentioned Billy? I want to talk about Lurie,

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<v Speaker 1>not Laurie's coaching, his playing career. A lot of younger

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<v Speaker 1>people who come to the game don't remember Laurie as

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<v Speaker 1>a player and what he did for New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>as a player. I think when you're talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you talk about Queensland, I took with the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland players is of course Wally Lewis, of course Cameron Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>When it gets to New South Wales, there's blokes at there.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey spoken about Bradley, Clyde, Brett, Kenny, Freddie Mate. I

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<v Speaker 1>put Lourie just about the top. He's contribution in New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales and basically changing like Queensland dominated for so

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<v Speaker 1>long throughout the eighties, but the emergence of those young

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<v Speaker 1>guys from the Green Machine that Canberra era really swung

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<v Speaker 1>up back in New South Whil's way and Laurie tippified

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<v Speaker 1>that he came in. It was funny. His first series

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<v Speaker 1>was in eighty nine right and the great Jack Gibson

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<v Speaker 1>was coaching the New South Wales side. Jack knew you

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<v Speaker 1>had this kid who was developing. It was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a legend of the game. He just missed it

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<v Speaker 1>by twelve months because when he come in Laurie that

0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.600
<v Speaker 1>first series, he was really struggled. He talks of I've

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to him. I interviewed him about it, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that first series in eighty nine bad memories, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>most terrible. He said, I went in so naive, not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what Origin was about. He was nineteen years of age,

0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I was playing center opposite my mentor,

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<v Speaker 1>my hero, my teammate, my captain, Malmaninger. And he said naively,

0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I went into that game believe him Mal would take

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<v Speaker 1>it easier. And he said he he just completely completely

0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.520
<v Speaker 1>humiliated loss, you know. Talking about his trajectory as a player.

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<v Speaker 1>The big turning point for Laurie, I think he's breakouts

0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.000
<v Speaker 1>as far as being a representative player was City versus

0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Country nineteen ninety and Country were beaten by two points,

0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:23.240
<v Speaker 1>but Laurie absolutely tore City to shreds and after the

0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.439
<v Speaker 1>game it was like mate, it was everything changed. He

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<v Speaker 1>went into State of Origin that year ninety ninety and

0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.080
<v Speaker 1>dominated Queensland in the first game. But the big one

0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:36.840
<v Speaker 1>when Phil goirled. The big rise with Laurie coops come

0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:42.000
<v Speaker 1>when Phil Gould was coach. Gus recognized straight away that

0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Laurie's got to be my captain. He elevated him's captain.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love this story when you talk about Gus

0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.200
<v Speaker 1>spoke to him about what did you learn from that

0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.760
<v Speaker 1>first series? Tell me about that first series, and he

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<v Speaker 1>told Gus the story about playing against Mail and Phil

0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Mali take it easier. I mean how he humiliated him. Anyway,

0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.160
<v Speaker 1>when he made Laurie captain, he said, they're playing a

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<v Speaker 1>game at lang Park. It's a big game. Got to

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<v Speaker 1>be a decider, and he said, I've been the call

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<v Speaker 1>to tap on the tap in the dressing room. Mate,

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<v Speaker 1>come out. The captain's out to toss the coin, and

0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Mal is the captain of Corny's land. Anyway, Gus grabbed

0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.760
<v Speaker 1>him and said this is your time. He said, go

0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.079
<v Speaker 1>and hide in the toilet. Let Mal wait for you

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<v Speaker 1>out there. So he said, Maol was forced to wait

0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.280
<v Speaker 1>outside Lorry's hiding in the toilet as a power play.

0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Mail is just standing out there, made him wait five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes and then strolled out. And it was just a statement.

0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.920
<v Speaker 1>He said, Mao was filthy and mal knew exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing. And then he turned went back into

0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the sheds. It was a Turning Point and Lorry that

0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.600
<v Speaker 1>ninety four series, Laurie completely dominated it to the fact

0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:52.959
<v Speaker 1>that Coops they won. I don't know if it was decided,

0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.400
<v Speaker 1>but they won Game three in a really tough game

0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.920
<v Speaker 1>at the Sydney Football Stadium and Lorry scored a key

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<v Speaker 1>try late. And remember talking to Paul Harrigan the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a skipper at Newcastle. He played in that game,

0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.599
<v Speaker 1>and it was myself and out of me and we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lunch with Chief. I said, this is a

0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.080
<v Speaker 1>tough game. It said, yeah, really tough. And I said,

0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, how did you feel through the game? You know,

0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:14.720
<v Speaker 1>like when they were on top? Did you think we win?

0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.079
<v Speaker 1>He said, on you would win? I said, why did

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<v Speaker 1>you know your win? He said because we had Lori

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<v Speaker 1>daily And I think that that says it all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny, like my history Lesson of Origin. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>about MAO and I always wanted to play Origin, but

0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't play until twenty ten. So I was still

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<v Speaker 2>playing first grade for a few years and everyone else

0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.000
<v Speaker 2>would pack there, but I go Thrid and I'd stay behind.

0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.240
<v Speaker 2>It started cutting me and I wanted for Ego to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of it, right, So I just all

0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.240
<v Speaker 2>I thought about was Origin was the best game of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, and I just wanted to play in it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was self driven and egotistical about I get

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<v Speaker 2>into Origin Camp twenty ten for my Deboom and Mao

0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.320
<v Speaker 2>talks about the history of Origin, where the concept of

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland started in nineteen eighty and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>it became more powerful than just me. So I'm talking about, like,

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<v Speaker 2>why does Queensland rise when they playing them own jerseys

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<v Speaker 2>because quick history lesson. Prior to nineteen eighty, it was

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<v Speaker 2>always about where you played, right, So all the good

0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.160
<v Speaker 2>players of queens then moved to New South Wales represented Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>They played in the state game and New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>would smash Queensland fifty zeril every game yep, and the

0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Queenslander's got smashed. It wasn't until nineteen eighty when they

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<v Speaker 2>changed the rules of where you're born. Arthur beats in

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<v Speaker 2>that first scrum. He's playing reserve grade for Paramatter at

0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.080
<v Speaker 2>the time. Packs In McCrone is the gun player for

0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.640
<v Speaker 2>paramatter at the time for New South Wales get stuck

0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.200
<v Speaker 2>into him and that is mate verse mate state Verse State.

0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Mal brought that story up. So the power of that

0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Queensland Jersey. Why did Queenslanders get Origin? It's because of

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<v Speaker 2>that history, lesson of the past and playing for the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And I lived through that coup, like you know, growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>following when I was a young kid in the seventies

0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.360
<v Speaker 1>watching New South well, when the interstate games came around,

0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:01.000
<v Speaker 1>we would annihilate Queensland. And I still remember, I still

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<v Speaker 1>remember the first set of Origin game. I was living

0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in Newcastle. We didn't get the game televised and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe I'm listening to it on the radio and

0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to Queensland just belders and I'm saying, I

0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.000
<v Speaker 1>said to my dad, what's going on? Like you know,

0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand the concept. But watching you back later,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll get goose pumps, watching Arthur boots and run

0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.720
<v Speaker 1>on the field like the returning hero. I heard Chris

0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Cloves tell a story. Was Gordy as it was Gordy

0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.000
<v Speaker 1>relaying the story. The only difference was choppy story where

0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.880
<v Speaker 1>for two minutes and Gordy's breath for two hours. But

0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.960
<v Speaker 1>he sold. He told Gordy, he said, I'm a young

0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.760
<v Speaker 1>guy sitting there and he said in the next locker

0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to me or sitting next to me is Arthur. And

0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he said, Arthur's just sitting there really quiet. And Arthur's

0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.880
<v Speaker 1>got all these tapes, doing all his own taping, and

0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.080
<v Speaker 1>he's strapping his fingers up and he said. I looked

0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.280
<v Speaker 1>at him and said, mate, this guy's going to war

0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:01.000
<v Speaker 1>like he was a warrior going to war and man

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<v Speaker 1>a contribution. So often, coops, you're just talking there about

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<v Speaker 1>the history and the history that like think you blokes

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.120
<v Speaker 1>are taught when you go into camp and how important

0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.200
<v Speaker 1>that is for you blokes, and oftentimes that's the reason

0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.000
<v Speaker 1>why you blokes going into a series, you win the

0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.399
<v Speaker 1>battle of the narrative. That makes sense, You win that battle,

0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.679
<v Speaker 1>like played in the game where that that series fatties

0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Queensland as a ninety five and we went into county

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<v Speaker 1>when that guy apologize to the studio audience. We've got

0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:40.399
<v Speaker 1>a studio awardens three viewers have made the trip to

0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.879
<v Speaker 1>our time and to watch us and howdy ah. But

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<v Speaker 1>I so we had like a gun team, even though

0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Super League players weren't selected, were gun site, you know,

0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Freddie and Chief and someone and of course Stop John's

0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Stop New South Wales anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you for yourself?

0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.239
<v Speaker 1>That was this funny turn of phrase anyway, But we

0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.920
<v Speaker 1>went in there and we were I've heard Gus talk

0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.080
<v Speaker 1>about this after they Queensland beat the series and so

0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.920
<v Speaker 1>what was the difference? He said? Our blokes turned up

0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.040
<v Speaker 1>into camp trying to show each other how skillful they were,

0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and the Queensland has turned up trying to show each

0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.959
<v Speaker 1>other how tough they were and coops. That first night

0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.439
<v Speaker 1>at the Sydney Football Stadium, I remember, I think, and

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I was right, did the warm up felt good? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Run onto the field and I'm standing there right and

0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I look over as Queensland run on and I see

0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>my teammate Robbie O Davis and there was just something

0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.320
<v Speaker 1>different about him, and at that point I thought we

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.560
<v Speaker 1>won't be in trouble here. There was just something. There

0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.680
<v Speaker 1>was an extra layer of intensity in that term.

0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.160
<v Speaker 2>So there's not a huge gap there was in ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's some similarities. And the example will be paying

0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.240
<v Speaker 2>us and Patrick Carrighan. Yeah, like that will be an example.

0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Paying us runs out of the field a bunch of

0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Carrighan is not Yeah, high five of him saying goody, you.

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Be one big great classroom too. Yeah, it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>one for cubs. We're gonna do a bit of the

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 1>health check on the competition here and when we you know,

0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.200
<v Speaker 1>it's been all about origin here, we might split it

0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.959
<v Speaker 1>in two. We'll do a few of the teams now

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and a few of them next week. But let's start.

0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.080
<v Speaker 1>We'll go from the bottom up to the top. And

0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 1>usually the bottom teams it's usually very straightforward. They're having

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<v Speaker 1>a blood er every year and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>make the finals. There's a couple of them, but there are,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's Penrith. What are you thinking?

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.199
<v Speaker 2>They are in seventeenth on nine points. The Broncos are

0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:50.560
<v Speaker 2>in eighth on twelve points. In the next period of time,

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.800
<v Speaker 2>they play the Eels twice, the Tigers twice. They've got

0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.880
<v Speaker 2>two buyers. They've got the Titans, Knights and Souths. There's

0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a couple of other big games of worries.

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>They're going to creep in.

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I've got them here finishing eighth. You agree, I do agree.

0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 1>I do agree. We've said this before. If they can

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.320
<v Speaker 1>creep into the eight, they can win the camp Coops.

0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.040
<v Speaker 1>My prediction is I think they will creep into the eight.

0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.240
<v Speaker 1>But I think it'll be very, very similar to when

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Brisbane did similar ninety nine, but they lost all those

0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.879
<v Speaker 1>games empty and they spent the pennies getting there. I

0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.840
<v Speaker 1>agree with that, But when you look at it also

0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the amount of players they're going to have playing state

0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 1>of Origin on top of everybody everything else I've got

0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to make in the second week of the finals.

0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I can't argue with that. I feel like

0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I was just doing some research into this. I think

0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.760
<v Speaker 2>they do. I think they slip into the eight. And

0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that to too many of the other

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.320
<v Speaker 2>teams down the bottom of the ladder, as simple as that.

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:51.719
<v Speaker 1>What about Titans, mate, they deserve brutality in opinion. You know,

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just I mean, okay.

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's look well the Spoon Yeah.

0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Well look at the Queen's Land side coops where this

0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.119
<v Speaker 1>is what puzzles puzzles. We talk about this in numerous

0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 1>times individually. Look at the talent on that team. But

0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 1>let's look at the Queensland side both for more Tin, no,

0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.720
<v Speaker 1>for the Waker, yep, anybody else in that pack that

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but like, that's a great pack and you are three

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Titans there mainstage of the Titans pack.

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I just he's their best player, Tino by a country mile.

0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 2>The one thing that I think is hurting the Titans

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 2>is des has been a defensive coach for a long

0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 2>period of time, and history says he gets it right

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 2>when he's got a good team. There's a disconnect between

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 2>them doing it and his message. And the other thing

0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I think is hurting is that the top end talent.

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking Tino out of this conversation, but the top

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 2>end talent are either injured or they feel like they

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.440
<v Speaker 2>look lost on a field like they don't they're not consistent,

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.119
<v Speaker 2>they don't feel like they're on the same page all

0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the time, and it's just in and out of eighty

0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.840
<v Speaker 2>minute performances looks okay. It's just yeah, it's bad, and

0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:01.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's going to get any better. I

0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.560
<v Speaker 2>think Penrith go that way quickly. And I'm worried about.

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>The Titans aside that is, you talk a big, big

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>gulf in attitude between one side and the next. Look

0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>at the Earl's attitude compared to the Titans, and the

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Earls had a really difficult start to the season without

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell Moses. You know, Jason Royle is trying to bed

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.920
<v Speaker 1>down a new style of these young guys coming into

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the team. But I tear what they look. They look

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 1>really really good at the moment.

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:32.159
<v Speaker 2>They've improved, and he cleaned out that roster at the

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 2>back end of last year and now I feel like

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 2>he's very reliant on the leaders Borlow Moses, throw Brown

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 2>in there. But Lomax like, if those guys play well,

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I think the Riley Smiths and the i Is and

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.400
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, they will follow. Yes, but

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very reliant on that leadership group to

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<v Speaker 2>play well and get the job.

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<v Speaker 1>I see him getting out of the bottom four. I

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<v Speaker 1>see him moving in and around ten or eleven. I

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<v Speaker 1>think possibly you can just see they've got their tails

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<v Speaker 1>up at the moment. I will sure return from Origin.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will say Dylan Walker has been very, very

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<v Speaker 2>good for them, fantastic even on the weekend, it was

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<v Speaker 2>great no mich and Moses stood up lots of ballplaying.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he'd be a key piece of the puzzle

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<v Speaker 2>for them to improve a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Final one for this week, the Knights needed that win

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<v Speaker 1>over Penrith or they would have been sitting last on

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<v Speaker 1>the ladder right Knight's best player so far this she's been,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, being Fletcher sharp, Dylan Lucas as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Dilan Lucas was sensational on the weekend A coops the

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylen at fullback, at fullback and Fletcher at six. The

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<v Speaker 1>formula wasn't quite working out there. They put Fletcher back

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<v Speaker 1>to his preferred position playing fullback. They experimented a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago with kayl and at six it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it worth having a look at again?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Kaylen no worries. The Knights are a good

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<v Speaker 2>defensive team. They need to win games while they're going

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<v Speaker 2>through this period on the back of their defense. If

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<v Speaker 2>there's one simple solution for the Knights attack, and Kleen

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<v Speaker 2>is the big piece of this. We've spoken about this

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<v Speaker 2>previous on the show. Calen's best position is when it's

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<v Speaker 2>four versus four down a wide short side. He has

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<v Speaker 2>the footwork to carve up anyone right. So as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as this is, I'm playing to that position and given

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<v Speaker 2>Kalen four and four. Now, if they give four defenders,

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<v Speaker 2>Kaylin take it. If they put five on Kaylen, because

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<v Speaker 2>they're worried the rest of you. Take it. That's as

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<v Speaker 2>simple as I can try and help them out with

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<v Speaker 2>their attack.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same with Tamara Tahu. We say with Tamata

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<v Speaker 1>you know when he was in really fire and we said, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>look if they've got four and we've got four, give

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<v Speaker 1>it to Mana. Actually, if they've got five, give it

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<v Speaker 1>to Actually, if they've got six, gives I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like their spine is. I know why Adam O'Brien keeps

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<v Speaker 2>changing because there's no one grabbing the jersey, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>you probably need to simplify in terms of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make this elaborate play to create space for Kaylin on

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<v Speaker 2>the extremities, Like just where is his favorite positions in

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<v Speaker 2>this part of the field. Where does he do all

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<v Speaker 2>of his damage this part of the field. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's design the system where he gets the ball there

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<v Speaker 2>more often than not. That's right, And that's as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as this that field position for defenders. Kaylin take it.

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<v Speaker 1>What does Cooper Krong do on Origin Knights? You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go up to us Sun Corporal, what does it?

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<v Speaker 1>What does an origin Knight like for you? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Considering that you only work two days a week, around

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<v Speaker 2>this joint. You wouldn't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days a week double duty John's for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You would understand the sweat, blood and tears are going

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<v Speaker 2>into this John. I'm actually going to call the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Called the game.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't even know what's going on around here.

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<v Speaker 1>Do No, No, I don't. I'm a little that's the coops.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is the thing, mate, You come in,

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<v Speaker 1>your clock out, you go, mate, don't get caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in office politics. If you haven't got an office, so

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't got a computer or haven't got a chair,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't expect you to be.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't turn what off? That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard me yet. Well maybe it has good

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<v Speaker 1>on your mate.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmmmmm