WEBVTT - #2072 How to Uncure Cancer - David Gillespie 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.960 I'll get a team. It's Tiffany Ankle because David Brian Kevin, 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.880 Patrick Gillespie, it's the Bloody Project, that's you, it's us. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.719 We're stumbling like piss blokes towards Christmas and I couldn't 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.920 be more excited. Speaking of booze, Hi tiv. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.240 Speaking of booze. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.439 You drink now and then, not much, every now and 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.840 then much? What's your no? I know you don't really 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.400 drink much, but if you do drink, what do you drink? 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:24.639 What? 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:25.319 You go to? 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.160 Gin tonic? Partial to a gin and tonic? Right? 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.000 Have you ever been legless? Shit faced? You know? It's 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.680 been a lot of my youth getting legless. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:36.000 YEP. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.519 I actually don't know if we're allowed to say that anymore. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.000 But seeing as you and I you and I know you, 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.880 and I know Don Elgan, so I'm pretty sure who's 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.760 a one legged paralympian And he calls himself that. So 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.640 I'm blaming Don. Don's given us the green light? What 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.800 about you, Gilespo, I can't I can't see you drinking much, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:57.800 if any booze. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.320 I don't drink much, not because I have any particular 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.319 objection to it, but because my wife doesn't drink at all, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:13.960 so you know, to drink it myself. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.920 it's yeah. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:16.720 So I don't drink a lot. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.000 You know. I'll have the occasional beer or glass of 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.440 wine if there's one open, but that's about it. Really. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:23.840 How many times in your life do you reckon you've 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.360 been drunk? 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:25.120 Oh? 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:25.640 Quite a lot. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:31.640 When I was younger, he's in university, I strunk a 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.240 fair amount of the time, I suspect. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.320 Wow. Wow, he says that with some pride tip. That's 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.440 the this. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.160 Is I am so old that I remember going to 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.880 the university what was called the rec Club at the 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.080 University of Queensland every Friday night and they used to 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:54.040 have fifty cent cans of Swan beer. Was I mean 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.360 you go in there with a five dollar night slapping 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.800 on the counter and that it do you for the night? Wow? 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.960 What ten? You'd drink ten cans? 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.240 Oh? Well, I try, Wow, I. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.520 Don't know anything about beer? Is that a terrible beer? 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:10.440 And okay, I guess that. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.400 When you're fifty cents is what it is? 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:18.080 Yes, yeaheah. How many times have you been drunk? Tiff? 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.120 I couldn't tell you, but yeah, grown up in tazzy 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:23.200 We did. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.079 We did on weekends a few times. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.640 Yeah, they'll get their bottle of passion pop and away 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:28.079 we go. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.680 I've been the dress I've been. I've been the designated 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:37.200 driver for forty years. I'm just the boring bloke that 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.400 drives everyone to and from wherever they're going to get pissed. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.320 That's what my wife does. I always have a built 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.840 in designated driver because she doesn't drink. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:54.000 Does she not drink for moral reasons, ethical, religious, or health, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:55.960 or she just doesn't like it. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.960 She'll like it, sheill like taste of it, so unlike today, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.520 where everything's got a ton of sugar in it and 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.040 the alcohol is a secondary consideration. Back in the day, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.639 when I guess she was being tempted with alcohol, most 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.920 of her tasted pretty awful and she wasn't keen on it. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.440 I think you told us in an episode not too 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.480 long ago that I'm sure you told us that the 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:25.600 youngies are drinking less than ever and having non alcoholic 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:26.680 kind of options. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:33.680 Yeah, the stats are really interesting that today's teenagers drink 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:38.160 less than their parents did and less than their grandparents 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.000 did when they were the same age, considerably less and 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.800 the reason for that is likely to be that they 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.480 get both mean hits just from looking at their phone. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.880 They don't need to go out and get messy in public. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.360 Yeah right. And I also heard on a podcast conversation 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.840 yesterday that the youngsters, and by youngsters I mean legally 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:08.160 eighteen plus youngsters shagging less than their parents and grandparents. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.760 In general, pursuing risky behavior a lot less so, less violent, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.680 less likely to have sex, less likely to have teenage pregnancy, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.599 less likely to drink, basically, less likely to get dopamine 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.640 hits from things that require them to leave their bedroom, 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.920 and so because they don't need to. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.640 So that's the upside of social media. Yeah, there's the. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.520 Upside is you're not likely. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.360 To get outside of Instagram, as we've got less boys 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.800 and girls making mating. Well, that was a faux pa, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.640 That was something I said that it was accurate that 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:48.120 I didn't mean. But also, yeah, producing less offspring because 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.960 they're addicted to the gram and even if they were not, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.960 they'd still be producing less offspring because, as you know, 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.760 the sperm counts are going so badly that getting someone pregnanty, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.240 it is quite a quite a feat these days. And 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.360 in case you haven't been paying attention for the last 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.880 three years. To David Gillespie, everyone just a heads up. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:14.320 This is probably the last century of humanity, so enjoy it. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.200 It seems we're on the home straight. Either we're all 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.839 going to die because we can't produce, you know, the 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:24.000 bits and pieces that make new humans. Either that, or 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.640 we're all going to be robots, or we're all going 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.880 to be taken over by robots. Either way, enjoy the 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:32.600 next few years. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.080 I was thinking about a conversation we had at the 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:41.360 last time we talked about the AI. You just listened 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:46.840 to a podcast I think it was something the something 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:47.520 or other CEO. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.719 Oh, yeah, Diary of a CEO Stephen Bartlett. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.000 Yeah, and he'd been interviewing someone to do with AI 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:55.880 and I went away and listened to that. You'll be 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.880 glad to know you well, I made. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.320 These suggestions, I think, you know, I enter. Yeah, that's right. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.000 That's why I bothered, because you know, it was so 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:09.200 important that you sent it to me long, so I 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.599 had to I had to have it on double speed 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.840 just to get through it. But it Yeah, it was 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:20.760 all right. One thing you asked me during the last conversation, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.120 and I don't think I gave you a good answer, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.600 which is how close are we to artificial general intelligence 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.719 or AGI is what they refer to in that, And 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.520 they say that's the big bad thing, that's where it 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:37.200 becomes essentially human in terms of its ability to think. Yeah, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.960 And I don't think I gave you a really good 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.960 answer to that. And I want to Now, the thing 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.720 about the AI that we are all used to using, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.559 like Gemini and chat GPT and all those sorts of things, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.960 is that they sound human, and they behave human, and 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.440 they give us human like responses. But they are only 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.480 as good as the data they're trained on. So if 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.000 you were to try any of those AI on the 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.400 sum of human knowledge as it existed in eighteen hundred, yes, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.840 and then ask it to improve transport, it wouldn't invent 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.320 the automobile because the only thing it knew was what 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.440 was available in eighteen hundred. So it might suggest to 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.440 you ways to improve the stagecoach, but it wouldn't invent 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.400 the automobile. And I guess that's probably to me the 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:31.119 defining difference between these chatbots and human intelligence today, which 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:36.880 is humans can invent things and do these ais cannot 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.920 invent anything. They can summarize things really really well and 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.280 make them easy to understand, but they can't invent anything. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:51.280 So they can't create, like, they don't have creativity like 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.920 we when we talk about intelligence, obviously we're talking about 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:59.040 a spectrum of things. But that kind of intelligence, well, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.280 it doesn't really have intelligence either. That's the irony. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.200 Well, if you were to think of if you were 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.160 to think about, say in human terms, they don't have 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.840 the research and development arm So a lot of companies 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:15.160 spend a fairly significant part of their budget on research 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.880 and development, and a company like Google, for example, spends 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.680 twenty percent of its budget on research and development. And 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.360 that's something that where there's no direct, measurable, sellable output 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.600 from what they're doing. They're just being asked to think 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.400 about new things and create them if they can, and 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.320 most of them will fail, but some of them won't. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.920 And that capacity to invent is something that AI today 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:44.800 can't do. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.760 And so when we talk about artificial general intelligence where 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.520 essentially for one of a better term it becomes conscious 0:08:54.679 --> 0:09:00.480 or sentient or fill in the adjective, do you think 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:01.400 that will ever happen? 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:07.320 Firstly, it very well may happen. People have been predicting 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:12.079 it now for at least twenty years, but whether it 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.760 will happen from the existing set of technology is difficult 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.280 to say. To me, there's no obvious trajectory from the 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.920 chatbots we're dealing with today to artificial general intelligence other 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:28.640 than that they look human. Yes, And whereas oh, sorry, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.600 I was just going to say, whereas as I said, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.880 they're not capable of inventing something, Whereas an AGI is 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.720 a different thing altogether. It is capable of inventing. And 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.480 when you create something with that much firepower, with that capability, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.480 that's why it's dangerous, because then it can solve problems 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.920 we haven't even invented and may not even think our problems. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:58.440 And the step from where we are now to very 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.360 very fast development under AI of itself, which is what 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.520 an AGI would be able to do, is where we 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:12.880 are likely to get. You made surplus to requirements. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.720 And you may or may not know the answer to this, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.880 but you'll definitely know more than I know. How far 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.240 away away from quantum computing being a thing like I 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.679 know that I think there's a couple of quantum computers 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.800 in the world, I'm not sure, but where they become 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.560 for one of better term mainstream or just part of 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:33.280 our culture. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.720 I don't know. I can't give you a definitive answer 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.640 to that. I know that it's a race, and it's on, 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:42.839 and we are progressing very quickly towards it. Yes, at 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.360 the moment, they're quite expensive and not highly distributed, but 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.719 that is unlikely to remain the case for very long. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.720 I would have thought, and I mean, I can't remember, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.840 but it's something crazy like it can solve problems that 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.640 would take a thousand is on a normal computer or 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.920 even a supercomputer that can solve that in thirty seconds. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.800 Or some Yeah, they have significantly greater capacity than current computing. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.160 Yeah, and do you understand I don't so, and I 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.440 know this is not your area of expertise, but your 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:23.559 expertise does stretch. Can you explain what a quantum computer 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.959 is compared to a regular computer. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:31.200 So, quantum computers do their processing at the quantum level, 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.360 which is at the atomic and subatomic level, as opposed 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.360 to at the atomic level, which is what current computers do. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:45.000 So they're manipulating electrons and so on, which allows them 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.800 to get a lot more into the physical space and 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:54.080 capacity than you would in a normal computer. Honestly, look, 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.960 if there is a computer nerd listening to this and 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.600 they go, oh my god, that's rubbish, then I suggest 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.720 google it, since I looked properly at this. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.080 Well. Also, everyone keep in mind that I did ask him, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.880 and I did throw him under the bus, and he 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.000 definitely knows. I don't know if he knows more than Tiff, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.560 but he definitely knows. Tiff, do you want to tell 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:14.920 us what a quantum computer is? 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:16.440 Already? 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:18.840 It's happened out. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:19.200 Ye. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.640 I don't know how we got there because we started 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:28.200 with how much booze do you both drink? It's like, well, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.480 we all know there's no logical kind of progression or 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.640 thread to any of our conversations, so we definitely don't 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.520 want to start being logical now. So you wrote recently, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.040 you wrote an article called how to Uncure Cancer? What 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.680 prompted that? Firstly, and then maybe if you can unpack 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:51.160 it with us. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.120 What prompted it was an announcement a couple of weeks 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.880 ago or a week ago now in the US that 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:05.120 they were making no longer suggesting that mothers have the 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:10.560 hep well that infants be given the hepatitis B vaccination 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.120 at birth. So since nineteen ninety one in the United States, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:20.840 infants have been given the hepatitis B vaccination within twenty 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.120 four hours of birth. So it's in Australia, I think 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:30.000 it's since two thousand, in the UK since twenty seventeen. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:31.880 We might talk about that an little bit more detail later, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:37.360 but it's the only vaccination that is given so quickly. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:43.040 So you might say, well, why are you vaccinating anybody 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.960 for anything, particularly a virus. So let's just step back 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.640 a bit and say what hepatitis B is. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:49.280 So it's a. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.720 Virus that infects the human liver, and if it infects 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.439 an adult, there's not a lot of downside. There are 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:04.120 some symptoms of adults clear it within weeks, so it's 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.080 a dose of the fluid style of symptoms with a 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.959 bit of jaundice in adults who are infected with it. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:15.800 Our immune system is extremely efficient at dealing with it. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.680 With babies, it's a different thing altogether. The stats flip 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.240 and ninety percent of infants who are infected with hepatitis 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:31.160 B never clear the virus, and the problem with that 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.280 is that this particular virus interferes with DNA in a 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:40.560 way that it can predictably result in liver cancer, so 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.920 not quickly, but a baby that's infected with it has 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.320 a higher, much higher probability than normal population of having 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:56.880 liver cancer in their forties. So that's why I call 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.440 it the article how to Uncure Cancer. So we've got 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.560 this thing that we know stops a baby becoming infected 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:08.040 with it if it's given within twenty four hours, and 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.360 we know that if we do that, we will significantly 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.080 reduce So the studies, the big randomized trials on this 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.560 say when I say significantly, I mean by eighty eighty 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.000 five percent reduction in rate of liver cancer in vaccinated 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.920 populations of babies. Now we've got really good data on 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.840 this stuff because it has been a significant thing in 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.360 the United States since nineteen ninety one, in Australia since 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.240 two thousand and there have been big trials on this. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.160 There was a major trial in China eighty thousand babies, 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.360 randomized control, controlled trial, no one knew who was getting 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.200 it and who wasn't, and the rates of reduction in 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.640 cancer in that on follow up were consistent with everything 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:56.360 else eighty five percent. So we know this works. And 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.640 the reason it works is quite interesting, I think, because 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:06.360 so the reason a baby needs the vaccination so quickly 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.720 is that if the baby gets the virus from their mother, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:16.000 which is primarily how they get it, then the immune 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.160 system at that point at birth thinks it's part of 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:25.360 the furniture. So the immune system thinks, oh, this isn't 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.880 something I need to be bothered with. This is actually 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.840 this is part of the human body. I won't be 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.840 attacking that. Whereas an adult that gets the virus, you know, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.640 they've been going their whole life without it, and suddenly 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.400 it appears the immune system harks up and attacks it. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.760 And that doesn't happen in newborns who are born with 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.840 the virus or who contracted soon after birth. And so 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.200 the idea was, well, let's give the vaccination at that point, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.960 teach the body that this is something that needs to 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.520 be dealt with, and do it. And so in the 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.880 United States, the statistics dramatic. You know, you go from 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.080 you know, less than one percent end up with the 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:13.399 virus after vaccination, So it dramatic. And for the US 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:19.119 to suddenly decide because they've convinced themselves of vaccines cause autism, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.720 for which there is absolutely no proof by the way 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.439 they've convinced themselves of that. They've said, oh, you know 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.320 this thing that's been effectively reducing the incidence of liver cancer, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.359 we're going to stop doing that now now we know 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.080 what this looks like when you do that. Because the 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.240 UK and Australia a little bit earlier on, but the 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.840 UK until twenty seventeen did it that way. The UK 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.800 had a policy of not vaccinating infants. Their policy was 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.720 to only vaccinate people at risk because it's cheaper. So 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.159 let's just talk about how this virus is transmitted in 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.680 the first place. So it's a blood blood transmission virus. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.720 You can transmit it by you know, exposure to someone 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.040 else's blood. You know, Grannie kissing a wound on a 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.720 child's knee, if Grannie's infected child might get it from that, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:14.159 from saliva, so bodily fluid exchange, also from sexual contact, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.919 so it's transmitted that way. It's different from hepatitis A, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.160 which is transmitted by eating food which has been you know, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.840 infected with the virum. So hepatitis A is transmitted through 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.359 food and water. Hepatitis B is through blood, just like 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:37.240 hepatitis C. So the UK said, well, very few people 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.040 are actually at risk of this thing. Other people who 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:43.440 you know, the most common people, homosexual population, intravenous drug users, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.280 et cetera. So will only vaccinate people who are obviously 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:52.440 at risk and and that should take care of it. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:58.800 The result was that it did reduce the incidence of 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:03.400 liver cancer, but only by about fifty percent, So somehow 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.280 fifty percent was slipping through where people where infants were 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.880 getting it anyway, even though there was no obvious risk. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.080 And that's just the accidents of everyday life. You know, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.520 you're in a hospital, you're bumping into people, you're running it. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.920 You know, it's all manner of ways that you might 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:25.160 somehow end up contracting the virus. And in an infant 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.840 that's a problem because if it's not addressed early, they 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.600 can end up with this virus for life. And it 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.639 was identified when when the vaccine for this was first 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.120 started to become a thing in the early nineteen seventies. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:46.159 This was called the first cancer vaccination because it was 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:50.000 the first and only one at that point where we 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.560 knew that eliminating that virus would actually reduce the incidence 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.680 of cancer. And it's because the way that virus interacts 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.760 with protein in the liver, is that it produces mutations 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.560 which make the liver cells more prone to cancerous mutation. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:14.720 Yeah, and so is RFK driving this or somebody else? 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:22.480 Yeah, So remember he thinks he thinks neurofin causes panadol. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.879 I can't remember. It was probably panadol. Yeah, it was 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:31.359 panadol that he thinks causes autism. And this is another 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.280 of the things that he thinks causes autism. So there 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.800 is absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. But you might 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.800 be thinking, well, but hold on, this is a vaccine 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.080 that we're giving to infants. Is there a risk in 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.200 giving it to infants? What is the risk? And there 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.320 is one. There's a risk of an anaphylactic reaction, which 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.560 is about one in one point one million, which so 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.800 is infinitesimally small, you know, off the scale small, but 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.840 on the upside. I don't know if you know anyone 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.320 who's ever had an anaphlectic reaction to something, but you know, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.719 people have it to seafood, to peanuts and things like that. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.240 It can be extremely life threatening. Their their lips swell 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:12.880 up that they can't breathe. It's very life threatening. So 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.800 it's not to be sneezed at, but it is one 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.320 in one point one million. On the upside, this thing 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.640 has been given to the child in a hospital, so 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.639 that's the best place to have an anaphylactic reaction. Hit 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:29.960 him with adrenaline, the quicker immediately sorted out. So there 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.119 is a risk, but it is very very small. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.879 It seems astounding by the way tiff use to have 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:41.600 an anaphylactic reaction to men, but she's subsequently she's been 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:47.159 has been treated and adrenaline. Well, no, she was. She 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.560 had the Scotty Douglas vaccination and look it's things are going. 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.919 I mean, I'm no doctor, but fucking hell, she seems 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:59.720 to be healed anyway. Praise the Lord. 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.399 That's that new methodology, isn't it? Where they haven't they 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.200 had I haven't had a look at the numbers recently, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:09.880 but where they expose children with to peanuts very very early, Yeah, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.320 and frequently, so that you know there's a giving kids 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.560 peanut paste for example, so that you know they don't 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.560 develop a peanut anaphylaxis. It seems to be very very effective. 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:20.639 Is that what's going on here? 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.280 Exactly? So it started as with a minor interaction on 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.800 a podcast to graduated to bigger interactions on the podcast 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:32.640 than a brief human face to face interaction, no touching, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.680 and apparently, I mean I haven't read the latest reports, 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.600 but it seems to have progressed somewhat, so I can't 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.960 update you on where we're at, you know, But like 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.120 the the feedback coming out of the lab is thumbs up. 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:54.919 So if congratulations on your progress's. 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:57.919 No longer carrying your fipin, that's. 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.439 Great, look at you, then fucking hilarious. Stop it. I 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.600 have to go and find myself myself a needle and 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.639 thread to sew up my size. So here's what I 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.840 don't get about, and back to the show. You're welcome, 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.639 You welcome listeners like it. There's so much data that 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.240 says this is so effective as a treatment or as 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:28.520 a preventative treatment, as a vaccination, then what's the rationale? Like, 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.679 surely even the dude who's the head of whatever is 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.959 the head of surely he's got to come up with 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:42.240 unequivocal evidence to make such a hugely impactful decision that's 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.639 going to affect every newborn child in a country of 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:47.119 three hundred and thirty million people. 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:52.560 You'd think wouldn't you you think, I mean, but no 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:56.800 sign of it so far. So a couple of the 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:01.520 US states, like the West Coast California and Washington and 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:05.960 maybe Oregon as well, have commed together and formed what 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.919 they're calling a health Alliance where they're maintaining the requirement 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:17.520 for infant vaccination, so ignoring the federal advice because they 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.640 feel that the evidence is so unequivocal and is so 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:24.520 dangerous to the unborn population that they are not prepared 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:28.000 to follow it. By the way, in the UK they 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:32.560 switched in twenty seventeen to doing what Australia is doing 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.480 and what the US is doing, and the results have 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:41.480 been just as impressive, the dramatic reductions in the incidents 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:47.040 of liver cancer. So it is there just isn't any evidence. 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.520 You might expect that there might be something that he 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.840 could point to that says that this is a problem, 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:57.440 but he doesn't seem to worry too much about evidence. 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:01.119