WEBVTT - Morrison and Rudd: The unlikely duo could be Australia's Trump whisperers

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Ashlin McGee. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in twenty sixteen, when Donald Trump was elected president,

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian government was caught off guard. Then Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Turnbull had to call golfing legend Greg Norman just

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<v Speaker 1>to get Trump's numbers so he could call and congratulate him.

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<v Speaker 1>This time around, the government's taking the prospect of his

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<v Speaker 1>second Trump presidency seriously and they're preparing. They're strengthening tires

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump allies and insiders and positioning Scott Morrison as

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of special envoy or Trump whisperer. Today the

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday Papers, Jason Katsukes takes us inside those preparations and

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<v Speaker 1>what the government thinks Trump Vito could mean for Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's after the break, Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>Last month Scott Morrison found a pretty surprising candidate to

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<v Speaker 1>help launch his new book to the US market, didn't he.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, none other than Kevin Rudd, the former Labor

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister, now Ambassador to Washington and longtime foe of

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Morrison.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I see him say that as somehow God's

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<v Speaker 4>intervention to appear to him through the image of a

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<v Speaker 4>portrait of an eagle. As if this is a reference

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<v Speaker 4>to the prophetic writings of the prophet ied Sire in

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<v Speaker 4>the Old Testament, I think that starts to get really wacky, frankly.

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<v Speaker 3>And the fact that Kevin Rudd is launching this book

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<v Speaker 3>is a signal that he's buried the hatchet with Scott

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<v Speaker 3>Morrison and is happy to work with him. If there's

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<v Speaker 3>one thing that links Scott Morrison and Kevin Rudd, it

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<v Speaker 3>is their Christian faith. Kevin Rudd was always very open

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<v Speaker 3>his relationship with Christianity. It was always, you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a real feature of his personality and his makeup

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<v Speaker 3>as Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 4>Like me or loathe me. What I did prior to

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<v Speaker 4>becoming Prime Minister was write a long essay in the

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<v Speaker 4>monthly magazine called Faith in Politics, which basically lays it

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<v Speaker 4>out in black and white as to my interpretation of

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<v Speaker 4>what a Christian belief means in terms of political practice,

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<v Speaker 4>which is about, frankly, the theology of social justice.

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<v Speaker 5>Scott Morrison is the thirtieth Prime Minister of Australia and

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<v Speaker 5>the first Panecastle to hold the office. During his term,

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<v Speaker 5>the United States and Australia forged deeper bond, and now

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<v Speaker 5>he's written a book about his experience on the world stage.

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<v Speaker 3>What was also really interesting about it was who was

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<v Speaker 3>there some of the people that were closest to Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump during his time as president, people like Mike Pompeio,

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<v Speaker 3>former Secretary of State, the former Vice President, Mike Pence,

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<v Speaker 3>and Kellyanne Conway, the director of Communications and longtime counselor

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<v Speaker 3>for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for the terrivic response we've had to the

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<v Speaker 6>release of Plans for Your Good this week. We're already

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<v Speaker 6>now in our first reprint. If you've got your copy,

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<v Speaker 6>I hope you're enjoying it. I hope it's encouraging you.

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<v Speaker 3>So Scott Morrison's book is titled Plans for Your Good,

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<v Speaker 3>a prime Minister's Testimony of God's faithfulness, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>real insight into not just Scott Morrison's time as Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 3>but also his faith which was sometimes a controversial part

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<v Speaker 3>of Scott Morrison's prime ministership.

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<v Speaker 6>This is not a book that an next politician, former

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<v Speaker 6>prime minister would normally write. It's not about what I did,

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<v Speaker 6>It's about what I believe God has done for me

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<v Speaker 6>over the course of my whole life, not just when

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<v Speaker 6>I was Prime Minister, as a result of my faith

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<v Speaker 6>in Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, it was tough when I was in that job.

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<v Speaker 6>We dealt with so many challenges, the toughest times the second.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everyone I spoke to for this piece showed that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this government is taking the prospect of a

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<v Speaker 3>Trump victory very seriously. And that's not just people who

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<v Speaker 3>are in the elected positions, this is this is people

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<v Speaker 3>right through the bureaucracy. And yeah, they are focused every

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<v Speaker 3>day on what a Trump victory would mean for Australia

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<v Speaker 3>and they're working through all sorts of game plans for

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<v Speaker 3>for how to deal with a with a future President Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kevin Rudd getting together with Scott Morrison to launch

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<v Speaker 3>his book, it's not just about launching the book. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a way of showing to everyone here in Australia and

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<v Speaker 3>in Washington that Kevin Rudd can talk to the other

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<v Speaker 3>side of politics. And and I think he succeeded in

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrating that very well because some of the names that

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<v Speaker 3>were at that book launcher are going to be people

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<v Speaker 3>that he's going to need to build relationships with if

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<v Speaker 3>Trump becomes president. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So tell me a little bit more about them,

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<v Speaker 1>about Morrison's closeness with the Trump Weldon and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the characters who exist in it.

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<v Speaker 3>When Scott Morrison was Prime Minister, he was able to

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<v Speaker 3>forge a pretty close relationship with Donald Trump. And that

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't just meetings in the White House. We saw Scott

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<v Speaker 3>Morrison actually get up on a campaign stage at one

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<v Speaker 3>point during the twenty twenty election campaign with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 8>Australian Prime Minister, Scott Morrison and he recently won the

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<v Speaker 8>election in Australia, some of you know, and it was

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<v Speaker 8>supposed to be close and he blew them away because.

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<v Speaker 7>He believes a lot of the same things.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he identified himself as closely as possible, not

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<v Speaker 3>just to Donald Trump as president, but Donald Trump as

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<v Speaker 3>a Republican candidate, and that attracted a lot of criticism

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<v Speaker 3>from people like Anthony Albnezi. You know, it's clear that

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<v Speaker 3>Morrison's got a relationship with Trump and I think it

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<v Speaker 3>would be silly for Australia not to take advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 3>In January, it was announced that Scott Morrison would be

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<v Speaker 3>had been appointed as a non executive vice chairman of

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<v Speaker 3>American global strategies. This is one of those Washington political

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<v Speaker 3>consultancies that provides boutique advice to people who are prepared

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<v Speaker 3>to pay for it. In March, Donald Trump gave an

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<v Speaker 3>interview to Nigel Farage and one of the things he

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<v Speaker 3>did was prompt Donald Trump with a question about Kevin Rudd.

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<v Speaker 3>He related some criticisms that Kevin Rudd had made of Trump.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean he has said the most horrible things. You

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<v Speaker 7>were destruct You were a destructive president, a traitor to

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<v Speaker 7>the West. And he's now Australia's ambassador in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>He won't be there long if that's the case. I

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<v Speaker 8>don't know much about him.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course Trump responded in his typical way with

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<v Speaker 3>an insult.

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<v Speaker 8>I heard he was a little bit nasty. I hear

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<v Speaker 8>he's not the brightest bulb. But I don't know much

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<v Speaker 8>about him. But if he's at all hostile, he will

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<v Speaker 8>not be there long.

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<v Speaker 3>When Trump said that, of course, triggered lots of headlines

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<v Speaker 3>back here in Australia, mostly in the Murdock Papers, suggesting

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<v Speaker 3>that yeah, that Kevin Rudd would be would be recalled

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<v Speaker 3>if Donald Trump won. Penny one came out straight away

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<v Speaker 3>and knocked out on the head. She said that Kevin

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<v Speaker 3>Rudd was doing a very good job and it proved

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<v Speaker 3>to be a very effective ambassador. And yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's no way that they would move to to get

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<v Speaker 3>rid of Kevin Rudd.

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<v Speaker 1>So the moves we're talking about are all in the

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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic space. But is Anthony Albanezi also thinking about his

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<v Speaker 1>own personal relationship with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, as Malcolm Turnbull said in a recent essay

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<v Speaker 3>also in foreign affairs, the only relationship that really counts

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to Donald Trump is the leader. And

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<v Speaker 3>so in this case, it's going to be the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>between Trump and Anthony ALBANIZI I think he has to

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<v Speaker 3>really mentally prepare himself for that first meeting that he

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<v Speaker 3>has with Trump, because we know that Trump is going

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<v Speaker 3>to try to walk all over him. He's going to

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<v Speaker 3>try to bully him. And I think Malcolm Turnbull's advice

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<v Speaker 3>is in this case, you know really worth taking. You've

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<v Speaker 3>got to stand up to Trump. That's the only way

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<v Speaker 3>you can that you can really deal with him and

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<v Speaker 3>get something meaningful out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, What another bout of Donald Trump could

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<v Speaker 1>mean for Australia, Jason it teams. There's lots of positioning

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<v Speaker 1>and strategizing going on to prepare for another Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>Which areas of the relationship is the government really focused on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think right across the executive wing here in

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<v Speaker 3>Parliament House and across the public service here in Canberra

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<v Speaker 3>and in Washington, the government is very focused on what

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<v Speaker 3>would it mean for Australia if Donald Trump wins the

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<v Speaker 3>White House. I think the two areas that they're probably

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<v Speaker 3>most concerned about trade. So what would happen to Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>trading relationship with China and some of the other key

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<v Speaker 3>countries here in Asia. Would Donald Trump want to start

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<v Speaker 3>a trade war with China? And what would happen to

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<v Speaker 3>Australia if he did so? And then the other key

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<v Speaker 3>area is national security. Big piece of that that is

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<v Speaker 3>relevant for Australia is aucus, So what would happen to

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<v Speaker 3>august And I think in both cases, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>Australia's going to be at too much of a disadvantage

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<v Speaker 3>if Trump wins. The Republicans see Australia as a nation

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<v Speaker 3>that's paying its own way when it comes to defense,

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<v Speaker 3>aucus is in the end involves Australia paying money into

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<v Speaker 3>the US military industrial complex. Republicans seem to like that.

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<v Speaker 3>They are a bit worried that they won't have enough

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<v Speaker 3>submarines of their own, but I'm sure that's something that

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<v Speaker 3>we will be worked out over the next eight to

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<v Speaker 3>ten years. One of the things Donald Trump has said

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to do, you know, perhaps as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>he takes office, is try to end the war in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>If that means that it's on terms that are very

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<v Speaker 3>favorable to Vladimir Putin. What kind of a signal does

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<v Speaker 3>that send to dictators or other strong man governments around

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<v Speaker 3>the world, And what kind of a message does it

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<v Speaker 3>send to China? And how would that affect China's relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with Taiwan. So I think what Donald Trump does with

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<v Speaker 3>regard to Ukraine won't affect us immediately, but it will

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<v Speaker 3>have long term consequences for our region.

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<v Speaker 1>If friend's taking the prospect of a second Trump presidency

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<v Speaker 1>very seriously, aren't they?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And I think that's with good reason given what

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<v Speaker 3>a mercurial, unpredictable president Donald Trump was in his first term.

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<v Speaker 3>He's acquired a lot of anger in the four years

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<v Speaker 3>he's been out of office, and you would assume from

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<v Speaker 3>what Donald Trump says that he's going to want to

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<v Speaker 3>settle a few scores. When you look at the polls,

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<v Speaker 3>the averages of all the polls in the US right now,

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump is ahead by about zero point five of

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<v Speaker 3>one percent. And I think it's very difficult to predict

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<v Speaker 3>what will happen, but it's definitely not a certain that

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump will win. And I think you know Nate

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<v Speaker 3>Silver from that website, five point thirty eighth, he's got

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<v Speaker 3>this very complex election prediction forecast model and he's saying

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<v Speaker 3>that right now it's fifty to fifty.

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<v Speaker 9>And always remember, we are one movement, one people, one family,

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<v Speaker 9>and one glorious nation under God. And together we will

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<v Speaker 9>make America powerful again. We will make America wealthy again.

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<v Speaker 9>We will make America strong again. We will make America

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<v Speaker 9>proud again. We will make America safe again, we will

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<v Speaker 9>make America free again, and we will make America great again.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you, God, bless you all, Thank you, thank you Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Jason, how does Donald Trump see Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he probably doesn't think about Australia.

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<v Speaker 7>That much.

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<v Speaker 3>It probably doesn't know a lot about Australia. But one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that you know, Donald Trump really values is loyalty.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's been no ally of the US that has

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<v Speaker 3>been more loyal than Australia. Not only have we followed

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<v Speaker 3>the US into every war for the last hundred years,

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<v Speaker 3>but we've also over the last ten years started contributing

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more of our taxpayer dollars to defense. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think the USC's that Australia is paying its own

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<v Speaker 3>way and spending more than two percent of GDP on defense,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, which was this key benchmark that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>set for US alliers during his first term. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think he probably when he thinks about Australia, he probably

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<v Speaker 3>thinks Australia's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for your time today, Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Ashlon, it's always a pleasure talking with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, the salary of the Governor

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<v Speaker 1>General will be increased by more than two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars under a bill introduced by the Albenese government. The

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<v Speaker 1>increase comes as Sam Moyston prepares to take on the

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<v Speaker 1>role on July the first this year, and the government

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<v Speaker 1>argues it's necessary because Unlike former governors general, she won't

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<v Speaker 1>be receiving other entitlements like those given to former judges

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<v Speaker 1>or military officers.

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<v Speaker 2>And a fifth, close.

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<v Speaker 1>Ally of British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, has been embroiled

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<v Speaker 1>in a growing bedding scandal and golfing his re election campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>The five party officials and MPs are now all under

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<v Speaker 1>investigation by the UK's Gambling Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is investigating.

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<v Speaker 1>Suspicious bets placed on the election date before it was

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<v Speaker 1>publicly announced, with the investigations even leading to the arrest

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<v Speaker 1>of one of Sunac's security detail. That's all from us

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<v Speaker 1>at seven am for today. My name's Ashlin McGhee. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for your company. See you again tomorrow.