WEBVTT - Sharri | 15 January 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.520 Why on Sky News This is. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:11.160 Sharry Good Evening tonight. The evidence that suggests Peter Dutton 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.960 could win the federal election my. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:15.320 Report in a moment. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.360 Also on the show, Albanezi accused of a weak response 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:24.520 after reports Russia has executed a young Australian. I'll get 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.560 the latest with James Willis and Michael Kroger in a moment, 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.600 and as Israel prepares to sign a hostage deal with Hermas, 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.960 I'll be joined tonight by Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister. That 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.360 exclusive interview coming up later. Plus there are fresh hopes 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.960 that the Bibas family will be among those released, and 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.640 one hostage family member will join me live from Israel. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.519 But let's start tonight with the question we're all asking 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.600 who will win the federal election and could Peter Dutton 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.160 actually get there? Well, it's now a live possibility that 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.480 Dutton will be the next Prime Minister of Australia and 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.680 that Albanzi will make history, not in the way he wants, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:14.039 not with a legacy defining, nation changing, transformative agenda, but 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.920 he could make history by being the first prime minister 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:22.360 in nearly a century to lose government after just one term. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.759 We know that the polls say that it's neck and neck, 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.080 but Dutton does have a. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.639 Very good chance of winning. And here's why. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.600 At the last election when Albanze won, Labour's primary vote 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.640 was a historic low of just thirty three percent, the 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.880 lowest in the history of the Labor Party. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.160 And that's when Albereze. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.840 Campaigned heavily on cost of living, and he pledged that 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.760 all areas of life would be more affordable. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.600 Costive living increases, hostive living, costive living, pressures of living, 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.120 cost living, cost of living off the cost of living, 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.600 cost of living, cost of everythings, living, cost of issues 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.600 there in mind. The cost of living pressures. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.960 Well, they were the mount everest of broken promises and 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:12.040 Australians know it. Voters feel on a daily basis that 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.480 life is more expensive. Every transaction at the supermarket or 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.600 the local shops, well there's the shock at just how 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.280 much basic items now cost. You never get used to 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.040 paying five dollars or more for a coffee or nine 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.080 dollars for grated cheese. This is the cost of living 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.520 crisis that Albaneze pledged to solve, but has only worsened 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:40.239 under his watch. So if Labour's vote was thirty three 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.520 percent before Albanese's broken promises. Well, I can tell you 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.799 labor heavyweights are shuddering when they think what it will 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.160 be now. Now, the coalition was left with just fifty 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.520 eight or fifty nine seats after the last election. So 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.720 to win majority government, which is seventy six seats, Dutton 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.360 needs to pick up between seventeen and nineteen seats and 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.800 that's because of the aston by election and a couple 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.799 of other redistributions. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.200 So this is a huge ask, but it's not impossible. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.920 Tony Abbott won eighteen seats in twenty thirteen after the 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:25.079 chaos of the Rudd Gillard Rudd era. Rudd won twenty 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.560 three seats against John Howard in two thousand and seven 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:33.040 and Labour went into that election holding just sixty seats, 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:38.000 so not too dissimilar to the coalitions now. And yet 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.560 under Rudd Label's return to government with eighty three seats. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:48.360 That was a landslide that Rudd wasted, and John Howard's 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.160 win before that was even larger. He picked up twenty 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.280 nine seats when he took office in nineteen ninety six 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:59.400 against Paul Keating. So yes, Peter Dutton trying to win 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.800 between seventeen and nineteen seats is a lot, for sure, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:09.000 but it's not unprecedented, although it would be virtually unprecedented 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:09.520 after a. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.440 First term in office. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.200 But there are compelling reasons why this is looking achievable. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:22.800 Support for Albanezy has crashed. The Herald's Resolve political monitor 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.320 shows his net likability has dropped from a honeymoon high 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.719 of thirty four percent to minus seventeen and some research 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:37.080 suggests his now as unpopular as Scott Morrison was ahead 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:38.600 of the last election. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.440 And this is a reflection of. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:46.360 His multitude of broken promises and his weakness as PM. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.760 Now Albanizey returned to power, he returned labor to power 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.719 after nine years, a long time in the wilderness. But 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.640 then you have to look at what has he actually. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.400 Done in office? As Peter Dutton. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:05.760 Said yesterday, well, albanize doesn't appear to have any legacy 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:06.640 to speak of. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.800 What is the government achieved over the course of the 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:10.720 last three years. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.480 If they'd achieved anything. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.080 That he wouldn't have to resort daily to the personal 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.680 attacks on me and my colleagues. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.839 Albanese's big move that was meant to define his legacy. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.560 The Voice to Parliament. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.600 It only divided our country, and he further divided our 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.680 country with his government's obsession with criticizing Israel, which has 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:39.520 only contributed to a terrifying rise in racism against Jews. Personally, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:45.240 Alberzi has also shown Australians who he truly is weak, ineffective, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.960 not very intelligent, certainly never the smartest person in any room. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.440 He's not across the detail. He's unable to exercise authority 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.840 over his own cabinet. You look at ministers like Tony Burke, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.200 Pennywoe or Tanya Plebisek, and I can also tell you that, 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.880 aside from the polls, many seasoned and high profile political 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.200 analysts have privately told me that they form the opinion 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:17.160 that Dutton will win the next election. And if Albanzi 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.920 does make history and losers after just one term in office, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.240 he will go down as one of the worst prime 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:30.360 ministers in Australia's history. He's squandered the time and hasn't 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.760 done a single thing to make our country a better place. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:39.560 Now. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:45.320 As you know, there's an antisemitism emergency in Australia, yet 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.279 Anthony Alberzi is rejecting calls for more meaningful and tougher action, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:56.240 even calls from his own hand picked antisemitism envoy Gillian 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.880 Siegul Seagull today demanded a national cabinet to deal with 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:06.000 the now near daily anti Semitic incidents terrorizing the Jewish community. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.679 She called for mandatory sentencing and strong penalties across state 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:15.840 jurisdictions for anti Semitic incidents, and Siegel spoke today about 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:20.360 how really serious incidents like setting fire to a Jewish 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.280 politician's office or breaching security to protest on the roof 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:30.800 of Parliament House have gone virtually unpunished, with judicial decisions 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:36.040 not even recording a conviction. She explained why strong action 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.160 was so important when she spoke with my friend Chris 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:40.080 Kenny earlier. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.000 This evening. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.600 National cabinet at least shows that we have the political 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.320 leaders are focused. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.400 Very much on the issue. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.520 Certainly, the Prime Minister responded very promptly and rang me 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.280 immediately and we had a couple of chats. As he 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.520 said there, and I think having the premiers of New 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.559 South Wales and Victoria and the Federal Police Commissioner speak 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.920 together urgently was a really good first step. But of 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:14.160 course these crimes are not just limited to New southwesn Victoria. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.240 And she went on to speak about the need for 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.960 a national cabinet, which makes complete sense. It's the very 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.560 least that should be happening, because at the moment this 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:26.280 racism against Jews is being tolerated. It's getting out of 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.239 hand and I'm starting to despair that it just can't 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.680 be put back in the box. Instead of supporting these 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.560 very basic demands a national cabinet, they've had one on 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:42.640 so many issues. Well, alban easy shrug this off once again. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.800 Jillian Segel has to call today for mandatory prison sentences, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:48.840 for a tax on synagogues. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.160 Is that something you would support? 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.480 Look, I think that we have a separation of powers 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:59.200 in Australia between politics and the judiciary. I think that's 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:04.440 an important principle. But I certainly support people who make 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.679 these any submittish attacks facing the full force of the law. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.960 They are state laws. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.040 On and on, he droned, and that was his stubborn 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:21.280 response to this crisis, this emergency that's exploding all around 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.640 us now. Peter Dutton has twice written to the Prime 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.560 Minister demanding he convene a national cabinet. He first wrote 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.760 to him in November and again today, and this is 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.280 what his letter today says. It is particularly alarming that 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.840 incidents such as the firebombing of the Adash Synagogue and 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.240 repeated acts of hate speech have been met with what 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:48.200 miss Siegel aptly described as effective impunity. Stronger action is 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.640 needed to send a clear message that antisemitism and hate 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.520 crimes of any kind will not be tolerated in Australia. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.920 This situation threatens not only the safety of Jewish Australians, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:05.559 but also the social cohesion and democratic values of our nation. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.480 But I won't hold my breath for Albanzi to bother 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.839 to respond to that letter, even for him to start 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.880 caring about this issue, truly caring, because Albanesi is also 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:23.199 refusing to acknowledge that his own government's hostile and inaccurate 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.880 accusations against Israel have fueled anti Semitism in Australia, that 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.760 their abuse of Israel's actions as it has tried to 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:38.680 bring home hostages and defeat terror have only emboldened the haters. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:45.079 The Albanese government's very criticisms are echoed by pro Palestinian 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.800 extremists who level the same accusations against Israel. But in 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:54.440 a dangerous way that is now manifesting as attacks against 0:10:54.600 --> 0:11:00.600 Jews and synagogues. Albanesi has refused to acknowledge this fronting 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:05.160 fact that his own government is partly responsible for the 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:11.199 unprecedented racism we are seeing now. I know that Albanezy 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.839 thinks voters don't really care about. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.160 This issue, but he's wrong. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.600 He needs to understand that the vast majority of voting 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:26.320 Australians don't like the hatred and violence that's arisen in 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.400 our suburbs and city streets. It's the antithesis of the 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.680 values we embrace that. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.280 We're proud of as Australians. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:40.920 The Prime Minister has comprehensively failed to shut this racism down, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:46.160 and now he's rejecting the advice of his own appointee. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.040 This is the worst failure of leadership on an issue 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:59.440 of absolute, critical importance and national security. Okay, we will 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.520 get to the Australian who's been reportedly executed by Russia 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.920 in a moment, but I want to first start with 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.880 returning to that political discussion about Albanese's prospects and Dutton's 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.920 at the election. Let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:17.320 president Michael Kroger and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:18.640 Welcome to you both. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:23.640 Michael, what do you think about Peter Dutton's chances of 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:24.840 winning the next election? 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.040 So I'd said for several months now Peter Dutton's favorite 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:31.840 to win the election, and I think as every day 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:37.440 goes by Shari his prospects are improving inch by inch. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.040 I don't think there's any of the Albanese he's done 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.559 in the last few months, or has been able to 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:42.800 do in the last few months, or can do in 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.160 the next few months to turn this around. This is 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.880 a worldwide phenomena against sort of these left wing governments 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.199 who have collapsed in the face of left wing activism 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.920 left wing demands, and the Western world is correcting towards 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.280 the middle and Albanize he's out there with all of 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.400 these others hard left leaders who have been led by 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.000 the nose by extreme left activists with all of their 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.920 causes in the middle working class Australians like they are 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.880 elsewhere in the world, have had enough. They disgusted and 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.960 want Albansi and these other governments to start concentrating on them. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.880 But they now Albanesi can't and won't and that's why 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:20.880 I think he's going to lose. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.680 Yeah, and as I mentioned before, the polling is not 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.880 looking good either. James I mentioned the Herald's Political Monitor survey. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:33.200 Its shows support for Albanzi collapsing, but Darton support is 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.560 rising minus twelve percent a year ago to now a 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.360 net rating of zero. So do you think that the 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.760 issues Darton is speaking about on a daily basis, some 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.760 of them cultural issues like Australia Day, do you think 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.960 this is winning over voters? 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.440 Well, I certainly think that it is a very significant problem. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.719 When we've heard that Victoria, which has traditionally been the 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.640 Liberal Party's worst performing seat, now there's some potential to 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.480 win three, four, maybe five seats in Victoria. But the 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.720 wider issue I think Sharry. I mean, obviously, a simple 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.760 math sum indicates that with the swings left behind from 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.920 the loss in twenty twenty two, that it's going to 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:18.720 be hard mathematically for Peter Dutton to win the next election. However, 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.680 the one point that I think can't be overlooked is 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.680 you have a look at the Prime minister's performance on 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.080 a daily basis and it's hard to pinpoint where this 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.000 actually shifted, whether it be the voice defeat, whether it 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.080 be the stuff around his house on the Central coast, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.840 maybe the quantus stuff. But I just wonder whether he's 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.640 actually up for what the next few weeks or a 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.760 few months actually entails. He looks frustrated, he looks tired. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.400 He's never really ever across he's brief fully to an 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.120 extent where he can actually make a personal comment. And 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.000 you've just played that clip in regards to a question 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.800 about mandatory sentence as well. I mean, he's the Prime minister, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.880 so he's entitled to have some sort of overarching view, 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.080 and would expect him to do that without people firing shots. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.560 I'd much rather him and say, well, you know what, personally, 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.160 I think that's a very sensible idea that should be 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.520 investigated at a state level. Instead, he passes that, he 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.240 passes the next thing. He is terribly advised, and as 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.280 I say, I just wonder if he has enough puff 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.720 left in him to get through this election. He looks tired, frustrated, 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.600 and too often not across his brief. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.000 I mean, how hard can it be as a prime 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.720 minister to say, of course, someone who attacks a synagogue 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.960 should go to jail. I mean, it's the most simple 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.320 thing to say. But he can't say that. I mean, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.160 it's just absurd who this guy is that is leading 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.560 our country. I don't know how we ended up with 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:39.160 him in Chide. Honestly, I shake my head, Mykeaul. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.240 I want to ask Cherry, Cherry, look look look, look, 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.920 look look at it. Look at it this way, look 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.800 at it this way. Here's the answer to question. He 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.520 doesn't get it. He never has. He doesn't understand. This 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.360 guy is sixty one, right, He's been in public office 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.480 for twenty eight years. Twenty eight years. He's been a 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.960 public figure, meeting tens of thousands of people a year. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.960 He went to his first bar mitzvah he invited himself 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.600 to in Perth a few weeks ago. What no one 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.480 had ever invited him to a bu mitz before? What 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.160 does it tell you? This guy's got no Jewish friends. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.120 He doesn't know any one of the Jewish community beyond 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.640 superficial Hello, how are you? He doesn't feel it, he 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:22.520 doesn't understand it. Right, he's been rabbiting on against Israel 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.520 ever since those pure old demonstrations he's involved in years 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.760 and year, decades ago. This guy has had no Jewish 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.440 friends throughout the whole of his life. And as I said, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.280 when you're invited to bar Mitzvah, as many people have 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.800 Jewish friends have been over the years, if you've never been, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.440 and you've been, and you're sixty one, for goodness sake, right, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.600 he doesn't understand Israel. He doesn't understand the Jewish community. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.160 He never has, he never has. And Shari, you know 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.760 it's now what fourteen months, fifteen months beyond October seven. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.080 We can talk all we want about the government doing something, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.360 getting it, understand any it. They never will, right, he 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.760 just doesn't understand it. And nor does that appalling appalling 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.480 foreigners to Pennywong. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.840 Well, I actually think they do understand it, and they 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.720 are horribly morally confused. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.879 And I think that's worse. Michael, I think. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:20.160 That it says a lot about their character. It truly does. James, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.280 what do you think about this issue? You know Alban 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.560 Easy today rejecting the need for a national cabinet on 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.879 anti Semitism when this emergency has arisen under his watch. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.399 Well, I think, given some of the reasons that national 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.840 cabinets have been held previously, it's a pretty standard request 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.840 and we have seen this horrific issue continue to grow. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.440 It is spreading. We've had issues across Sydney, We've had 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.440 issues in other parts of New South Wales as well. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.680 We've had the horrific fire bombing of the synagogue in Melbourne, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.520 and so we are now at a point where I 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.080 think it would be pretty sensible to get the leaders 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.679 of the country together and start actually coming up with 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.840 some solutions. Michael's made a good point and I think 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:04.119 it's worth expanding on that. This is really highlighted the 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.919 yawning gap over this issue in the Middle East in 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.560 the Labor Party, because every time someone from the Labor 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.240 Party makes a sensible decision, and I think in fairness 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.159 in isolation, Mark Dreyfus going to Israel to try and 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.320 repair some of the damage and some of the decisions 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.040 we've made on the international stage in isolation is okay. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.239 But even that trip had people in Labour saying, hey, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.840 there's a please explain he Why is Mark Dreyfus doing this? 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.919 Why is Mark Drafers cuddling up to Israel. We've had 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.879 the Prime Minister to do this, Chris Mins is doing 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.119 it in New South Wales, but every time someone from 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.280 Labor fronts up and says hey, we can't be tolerating 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:39.160 this in this country. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:40.800 Then we hear other people in labor. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.840 I will note there has been some senior labor ministers 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.600 in Sydney Sharry who have been very very quiet on 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.239 this issue. And I reckon it's a massive story that 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.360 we have electorates in Sydney that have now large Muslim 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.400 populations and someone in polling has said, hey, you need 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.600 to worry about your own seed here, stay out of 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.480 this because otherwise we're going to lose this seat or 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:02.000 be in trouble. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:02.679 We've seen in. 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.920 Parts about racism correct, no leadership. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.919 They've gone into Heidi and there's many of them in 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:09.359 Sydney and we. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.520 Know who they are. We really do. 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:12.199 Absolutely. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:17.359 Now let's return to this young Australian who may have 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.800 been We haven't got confirmation yet, but it has been 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.200 reported that Oscar Jenkins may have been executed by Russian 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.480 forces after he was captured in Ukraine. Well, here was 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.000 the Prime Minister speaking about this today. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.600 If there has been any harm caused to Oscar Jenkins, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.240 it's absolutely reprehensible and the Australian government will take the 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.160 strongest action possible. 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:42.920 All right, Dunan was a bit stronger. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.600 He said, there does need to be serious repercussions if 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.840 this thirty two year old has been killed by Russia, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:49.359 have a look. 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.960 If there is confirmation that that Oscar has been killed, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.199 then the government should take the strongest possible action, and 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:02.240 that is the ambassador should be withdrawn and the ambassador 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.560 here in Australia should be sent packing. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.520 I mean, Michael, it really doesn't get worse than this, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.080 to think that on Australian could have been executed by Russia. 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.920 Did you think Albanesi's response was strong enough today. 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.680 Well, of course not. I mean you can just mentioned 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:26.920 Vladimir Putin over there in the Kremlin in moscowb scared 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.639 out of his wits tonight that Alberanze said he's going 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.880 to take some tough action against him. I mean, would 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.640 be thinking this play can't protect the Jewish community in Australia. 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.160 Why would I take this light at bit of notice 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.960 of his clown. I mean, seriously, Albanesi, you know he 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.120 doesn't get these foreign policy issues. I mean to take 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:48.760 your point before. Do I think Albanize is a bad person? No, no, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.919 I don't. But to understand Israel than the Jewish community. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.639 You've got to have lived it, You've got you've got 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.720 to spend years studying the history. This is why I 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.359 just don't think Albanzi, I don't think he's hateful towards 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.120 the Jewish community all. I just think he's profoundly ignorant 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.440 and he doesn't understand, which is why he always looks 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.760 at sea, you know, in these things. But again on 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.239 your point on Russia, I mean, look putin to look 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.080 at this bloke and think, seriously, this is a bloke 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.600 sending Pennywog and Kevin Rudd to Donald Trump's inauguration. That's 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.800 how in touch he is with realogy. Jerry. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.080 Yeah, it's pretty bad, James. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.840 If we do get confirmation, and Canberra has demanded it, 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.040 but we might see social media videos that you know, 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.800 confirmation might come one way or the other. And you 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:40.159 can imagine Oscar's family are absolutely they would be absolutely 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.960 devastated and terrified and very anxious waiting for news. But James, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.639 if there is confirmation, I mean, surely, expelling the Russian 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.639 ambassadors the very least we could do. 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.320 Yeah, that should be an option. And firstly, thoughts and 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.439 prayers to Oscar and his family. It is a terrible 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.200 story and it's one that has been held right across 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.640 Australia and heard. But I think on this one, it's 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.000 a very very difficult one. Unless I'm missing something, and 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.160 Michael might have more on this, but for both sides. Sure, 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:10.959 I thought the comments were okay. I thought they were 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.560 some of the Prime Minister's better comments today from his 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.280 press conference. But I just wonder in a war zone 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:22.240 and given how sure this is a terrible situation, but realistically, practically, 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.240 what more could be done here? Like is it even 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.480 possible to haul the ambassador in and kick him out? 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.679 We certainly should be expecting answers, but we've seen this 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:35.479 all too far with the plane shot down by Russia 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.320 more than ten years ago. We were deeply angry about 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.399 that at the time, deeply outraged, demanding answers, but tragically 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:43.880 it didn't play out that way. So I'm not sure 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:45.639 it's an easy one to get solutions on. 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.960 And by the way, I spoke to one expert in 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.080 this area. He's going to be on my show tomorrow night, 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.560 Robert Potter, but I spoke with him today and he 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.560 said to me that he thinks that Australia should immediately 0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:01.399 impose financial penalties on Russia until we given proof of life, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.960 and that if we don't get it, we should be 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.600 giving a very large donation to Ukraine as punishment for 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.720 a war crime. And so that's Robert Potter's view. He'll 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.439 be on my show tomorrow night. James Willis, Michael Kroger, 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.840 thank you both so much for joining me. Now, we've 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.080 been speaking about whether Peter Darton will win the next election, 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.520 and the reality is he won't need to just win 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:28.080 seats from Labor but also win back Teal seats as well. Now, 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.200 party insiders tend to agree that the blue ribbon seat 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.840