WEBVTT - ScoMo vs antisemitic hate preachers

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, January twenty eighth, twenty twenty six. Giant data

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<v Speaker 1>huge data loads require. The Muslim community must keep the

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<v Speaker 1>wolves from their own flock. That's the view of Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison in a sweeping new proposal to crack down on

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic hate speech. Today the big new idea from

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<v Speaker 1>the former Prime Minister and how it fits into his

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<v Speaker 1>feud with Anthony Albinizi. Richard Ferguson is The Australian's Canberra

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<v Speaker 1>Press Gallery Bureau chief, and today he's reporting on a

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<v Speaker 1>speech made overnight by Scott Morrison in Israel to an

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<v Speaker 1>audience of leaders from around the world about antisemitism, but

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<v Speaker 1>specifically bringing the problem home to what Scott Morrison would

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<v Speaker 1>call hate preachers, people in Muslim communities and Muslim congregations

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<v Speaker 1>who are preaching antisemitism. Scott Morrison says this is something

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<v Speaker 1>for the Muslim community to sort out. Richard, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very sensitive issue that Scott Morrison is now wading into.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen a national leader really cheat the problem

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<v Speaker 1>of antisemitism home to the Muslim community in quite this

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<v Speaker 1>way yet, have.

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<v Speaker 2>We Absolutely not, Claire. We have seen Josh Friedenberg Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Lee make a wader philosophical point that radical Islam is

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<v Speaker 2>the key problem that has fueled off the Bundai massacre

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<v Speaker 2>and the two year antisemitism crisis in Australia that led

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Those who practice and preach this radical Islamist ideology. First

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<v Speaker 3>they come for the sat Day people, then they come

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<v Speaker 3>for the Sunday people. And the lesson of history is

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<v Speaker 3>that we're all infidels according to these radicals, and they

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<v Speaker 3>are here in Australia and the government needs to take

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<v Speaker 3>them on.

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<v Speaker 4>Radical Islamist extremism caused this. I repeat, radical Islamist extremism

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<v Speaker 4>caused this. Leaders need to be able to express this clearly,

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<v Speaker 4>because if you can't name the problem, you can't possibly

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<v Speaker 4>defeat it.

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<v Speaker 2>But never have we seen such a detailed police Dreven

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<v Speaker 2>agenda for reform in the Muselim community coming from a

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<v Speaker 2>national leader. So mister Morrison at the International Conference on

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Semitism in Jerusalem as laid out quite a list

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<v Speaker 2>of things he believes that the Muslim community must do.

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<v Speaker 2>That includes accrediting preachers, a national register of Amams, translating

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<v Speaker 2>their religious teachings in mosques and in Muslim schools in

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<v Speaker 2>the country into English so that people can access them

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<v Speaker 2>and see what's being said. Expanding the country's foreign transparency

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<v Speaker 2>scheme to include links with overseas religious groups. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a widespread reform that he says he wants the Muslim

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<v Speaker 2>community to lead, not the government to lead. That would

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<v Speaker 2>completely change the way the Muslim community is essentially run

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. It is a very radical proposal. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a proposal that I think will be met with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of criticism. But Scott Morrison has really prevented this

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<v Speaker 2>saying I know I'll be called islamophobic. That is not

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<v Speaker 2>what I am doing. What I am doing is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say we have to have this conversation and we

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<v Speaker 2>need Muslim leaders to be part of this faith.

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<v Speaker 5>All governments should have done better.

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<v Speaker 1>That is my point.

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<v Speaker 6>Did the Morrison governor point a special envoy to combat

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<v Speaker 6>any Semetism?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 6>Did they establish the Joint Operation bringing together the AFP

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<v Speaker 6>and Asia to combat acts of any Semetrism? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, primunist, Scott Morrison has today described you delusional and

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<v Speaker 1>cheap for trying to shift blame.

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<v Speaker 5>Where are you trying to shift blame?

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you make of his comments?

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<v Speaker 5>Mister Morrison can make whatever comments he likes, as entitled

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<v Speaker 5>to simply making the point by quoting what members said

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<v Speaker 5>at that time in twenty eighteen nineteen. We have strength

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<v Speaker 5>and hate laws. We have not sought to go over

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<v Speaker 5>all the detail of the time when we had an

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<v Speaker 5>Attorney General in this country who said that you have

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<v Speaker 5>a right to be a big.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Scott Morrison was definitely exercise when Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Albinizi in Parliament last week tried to suggest that all

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<v Speaker 2>governments were to blame for the rise of anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia and singled out his government when using historical

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<v Speaker 2>facts and figures. And mister Morrison has definitely felt very

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<v Speaker 2>passionately about one our relationship with Israel into the ex

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly horrific rise in anti Semitism in this country on

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<v Speaker 2>our shores. Instead of support, we have seen that I

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<v Speaker 2>was leaving under the freedom of democracy in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>calling for the extinction of the side of Israel from

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<v Speaker 2>the river to the sea. That is antisemitism. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that his intervention Claire is very different than what

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen from some former prime ministers. Usually the rivor

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<v Speaker 2>are defending their legacies, like Malcolm Turnbull being against August

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<v Speaker 2>in order to defend his deal with Emmanuel Macron for

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<v Speaker 2>French subs. It's different than the kind of the big

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical things like Paul keating on China and the American

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<v Speaker 2>in Alliance. It's even different really to prime ministers reacting

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<v Speaker 2>to events like John Howard intervening on the Voice successfully

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<v Speaker 2>and less successfully on the gay marriage postal survey. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a detailed agenda. Scott Morrison is putting ideas out there,

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<v Speaker 2>multiple ideas, ideas about reforming schools, ideas about reforming community bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>He is doing this because he believes the government is

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<v Speaker 2>not filling this space and that the government is not

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<v Speaker 2>willing to have a conversation about Muslim leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd have to think he's also stepping in to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>that the opposition has left. You know that there's no

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<v Speaker 1>actual opposition coming from Susan Lee and David Little Proud

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<v Speaker 1>and what used to be the Federal Coalition. They of

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<v Speaker 1>course have torn themselves apart over this issue, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a long term tearing apart on this particular issue

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<v Speaker 1>of the balance between freedom of speech and religious freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't it, Richard? The Federal Coalition has been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>create legislation that finds a balance between stopping anyone discriminating against,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, gay people, and allowing religious organizations religious schools

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<v Speaker 1>to have the ability to make choices about who they employ,

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<v Speaker 1>for example. They haven't actually got to a successful piece

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<v Speaker 1>of legislation about that yet. And yet religious leaders have

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<v Speaker 1>been urging both sides of politics for many years to

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<v Speaker 1>give them the freedom to practice their religion as they

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<v Speaker 1>see fit. How does bond I shake up that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Religious leaders want reform, they want protection from anti discrimination legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they now have to give up on that idea

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<v Speaker 1>given that Bondi has swept that conversation aside.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that the Prime Minister has made it very clear

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<v Speaker 2>that there will be no religious Discrimination Act or a

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<v Speaker 2>revival of the bits of the hate speech laws that

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<v Speaker 2>were dumped in this term of parliament, because religious leaders

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<v Speaker 2>all want some sort of protection, but they can't agree

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<v Speaker 2>on what protections they want. Some people want wider protections

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to fire people. Some like the Jewish community,

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<v Speaker 2>are actually more aligned with the gay and trans lobby

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<v Speaker 2>on basically just having a clear clamp down on speech.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an odd alliance in this kind of hate

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<v Speaker 2>speech religious speech battle that has gone on for decades now.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that that will be the other reason

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<v Speaker 2>why Scott Morrison has tried to pitch these registers and

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<v Speaker 2>auditing as being self sufficient, as being Muslim led, not

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<v Speaker 2>government led, because he knows if he was suggesting it

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<v Speaker 2>the government led one, it would never get through Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>and two you would start to get other bodies being

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<v Speaker 2>feared that they would be held to the same standard

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<v Speaker 2>by a government and therefore by a future government that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe imagine God forbid a world where there's a labor

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<v Speaker 2>Greens government and the Greens push for registers of priests etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Or registers of evangelical Christian preachers. That's why Scott Morrison,

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<v Speaker 2>I think has been very clever and very mindful of

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<v Speaker 2>what he's stepping into by saying, no, this isn't about

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<v Speaker 2>government intervention. This is about Muslim intervention. This is about

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim leaders intervening in their communities and saying we can't

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<v Speaker 2>put up with this anymore in our own communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up? Will this big idea go anywhere? He's saying

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<v Speaker 1>this from the safety of Israel, He's a long way

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<v Speaker 1>away from the Australian debate that's going to follow this

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<v Speaker 1>revelation in the Australian today, Richard, where do you see

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<v Speaker 1>this going? Is this going to be a serious conversation

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<v Speaker 1>where we look at this idea or is this going

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<v Speaker 1>to blow up into division and more controversy.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem that Master Morrison does have is that his

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<v Speaker 2>relationship is so acrimonious with Anthony Albanisi. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>a normal relationship between prime ministers. Now we all know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's any secret player that most of

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Ministers of Australia hate the other Prime ministers

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia for all different reasons. You know, we all

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<v Speaker 2>know that. But there is something deep and the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>between Morrison and Albanesi that has broken Obviously Albanzi pursued

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<v Speaker 2>Master Morrison over the Secret Mena Street scandal and had

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<v Speaker 2>a review that is now being led by the Anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism Royal Commissioner, Virginia Bell. That was the same person

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<v Speaker 2>who reviewed mister Morrison's Secret Ministry choices. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison has said I have a platform, I have ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put it out there. Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Morrison is not the most popular former Prime minister

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<v Speaker 2>in the country, but he has a platform and he

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<v Speaker 2>is using it and in this speech he's using it

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<v Speaker 2>for an extraordinary effect. He is using This is not

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<v Speaker 2>just one philosophical foot bubble. He has come with a

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<v Speaker 2>list of things the country and the Muslim community could

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<v Speaker 2>do to what he says to safeguard the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 2>but also safeguard the Muslim community.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Focusing, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read Scott Morrison's full speech and check out

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