WEBVTT - #159 Mia Freedman: A candid conversation with the creative force behind Mamamia 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Him Mike Boris, and this is straight Talk. Can you 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.760 just take you quickly inside a woman's world, the women's world, 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.200 Go Me Freeman. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.640 Hello, Marke Worris, Hello Phaps, Well the straight Talk. Thanks 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.360 for having me on straight Talk. I was fascinated always 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.000 in the news and information and what we would now 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.279 call content. I used to love magazines. There was no 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.360 other medium that really at that time spoke to women. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.360 The old joke is that Dolly taught you what an 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.080 orgasm was. Cleo taught you how to have one, Cosmo 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:31.880 taught you had a fake one, and the W This 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.720 Weekly taught you had to knit one, and then you died. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.560 And so it was like we built our communities around 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.120 these brands. It was really powerful. Part of the reason 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.960 I left magazines was because I got tired of trying 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.680 to explain to my bosses that armageddon was coming in 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.880 the form of the Internet and that we needed to move, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.879 we needed to evolve, and they were like, no, we're 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.519 a magazine company. What we do at Mama MEA, I 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.920 guess is cover all of those things. We've got sixty 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.800 four different podcasts we speak to eight million Australian women 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.520 every month. Is to make the world a better place 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:02.280 for women and girls. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.120 Look, I'm just looking over it, tour producer me are 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.840 starting to interview me, Yeah, as she can't help it 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:10.560 MEA Freeman. 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.720 Hello, Mark Werris, Hello, welcomes straight Talk. Thanks for having 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:15.559 me on Straight Talk. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.760 I love the way you dressed like they're so cool. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:19.880 You need to get to a stage in your life 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.400 that being cool as not what everyone else things being 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.080 as called as you wear, what the hell you feel 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:25.520 like wearing it? 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.600 Yeah, just be comfortable, exactly be comfortable. But for me, 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.920 it's also sparking joy. So I realized I don't dress 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.840 for men. I don't dress for women either, because I 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.680 often just dressed in a ridiculous way. But it just 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.319 gives me joy. And if someone hates it, it doesn't 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.120 honestly doesn't affect me, and it's not interesting to me 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.080 what they think. It just sparks joy in me. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.160 Do you know I don't know if you know this, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.040 but I know, and I'm hoping you still that. But 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.640 I knew your dad in the nineties, did you Yeah? Yeah, 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.280 And I also knew I knew Brian better. Yeah, But 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.680 your dad and Brian Sherman were the equity known as 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:04.000 equid Linked Twins in those days, they were, and they 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.400 were one of the first group to ever go sort 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.359 of one of the most prominent groups and first groups 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.120 to work move into the funds management sort of sphere 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.959 in Australia before it was even known. And I got 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.640 to meet him through some people who are good mates 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.880 of mine, who were friends there and actually they're a 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.320 Jewish lawyer guy who used to work for back in 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.160 the nineties. And that's where I first met Your Father's 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.680 your father still alive? He is well, none perfect. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.960 I see him every week. He is he turned eighty 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:35.519 last year. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:35.880 Wow. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:37.919 Yeah, and he's still great. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.280 Well, please give him my regards if he remembers me 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:41.760 at all. But I was only a young fellow when 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.560 I did meet him, and I was with it in 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.920 a law fulm called Simon Zebowski, and that's where I 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.480 meet him in those days, back in those days. Yeah, Mason, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.440 feel me feel really ancient. But I'm sitting here in 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.520 front of someone who's the daughter of somebody I know, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:55.600 or the son of somebody I know. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.079 I feel the same way. I had dinner with a 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.359 girlfriend last night and her daughter is an entrepreneur. You 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:02.639 know her daughter, who I knew when she was a 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.840 little kid, is an entrepreneur of the skin of the 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:11.360 sunscreen band Ultraviolet. And I now interview the children of 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.240 people I used to know. So I hear you totally. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.000 Well, what's for me is what's worse though, was you're 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.120 a mature woman, have grown How old are kids? 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.760 Twenty seven, eighteen and sixteen? 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.160 So you've got grown kids? Yeah, pretty much. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:26.239 I've got a grandchild. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.560 Do you have Wow? 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.080 Yeah, my grandma, my eccentric grandmother era. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.920 I have a grand I have three grandsons. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:33.800 Isn't it the best? 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:34.519 So good? 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.040 Do you love it? 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:35.320 Yeah? 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:35.480 I do? 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.040 I do, I really have it. I'm actually on a weekend. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.440 What's weird? It's amazing. I'm just looking over it. A 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.240 producer me are starting to interview me as she can't 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.160 help it. But I tell you why I love it 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.320 is that on a weekend when I'm thinking what am 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.960 I going to do? Like I'm trying to I try 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.000 to chill on weekends. And I just sent them a 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.960 text for all my sons and I say, semi photograph 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.840 with the kids. Yeah, And they send me video with 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.320 the kids doing something stupid or you know. I bought 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:04.800 them all at punching ball the other day. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.000 And how old are their grandkids? 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.480 The two of them are one two, one year old 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.360 each one. There's two weeks between them and the other one. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.120 And George's six at seventh. Sorry, And I just love 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.040 watching their antics. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.840 Yeah, I've got more patients as a grandmother than they 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.280 probably did as a mum, Like you can enjoy it more. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.240 Well, also, you're not as exhausted because I mean, you 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.880 ever think back, you've got three kids. Yeah, when you 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.520 think back, I had four sons, and I think back, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.599 how the hell did I do it? 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:35.640 Were your hands on dad? 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:41.000 Yeah? Well yes, with in my second marriage with the 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:46.960 three boys, I was more so because my wife at 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.040 the time, she was ill for a lot a lot 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.880 of time, and unfortunately, so I had to do a lot. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.640 When I say hands on, did I go to everything 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.599 like school, parent teaching me? 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:57.840 Know? 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.120 But I was always there. Yeah, And like in the 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.279 morning I had to get them ready for school, and 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.799 I feel someone ill. I would make sure that nanny 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.520 or my grand my mother came over and the other 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.080 grandmother came over, and I was always sort of organizing crap. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.640 But I was sort of pretty hands on relative to 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.720 the fact that I was trying to run a business. Yeah, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.600 and I was running the Wizard business in those days, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.760 so it was pretty full on, and I had a 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.839 pretty full on partner who was sort of very demanding 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.880 of me. So and that's not James, that's scary. So 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.280 I had really but I wonder where I got the 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.280 energy from, Like, like I couldn't do it. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.320 I just well, no, because you're older. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.839 I'm old. I just don't have that energy all the patients, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.320 I think, and I do you think you get into 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.919 a fog when you're a mom or a dad and 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.760 you've got and you're sort of just you're just doing Look, yeah, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.240 you're not standing back thinking about it. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.280 No, I mean you have no choice. Whereas that's what's 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.280 so lovely about being a grandparent is that you can 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.559 actually enjoy it because it's for shorter periods of time. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.440 How old is your grand. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.920 She's one and a half. So even if she stays 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.080 the night and she wakes up, I don't even care 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.039 because it's one night, Like I don't I can sleep 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.720 in the next day like no, you know, like I've 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.200 got to get to work tomorrow and put the load 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.360 of washing on and get dinner, and you know that 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:09.840 it's like you feel quite beleagued. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.040 Does she get into bed. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.240 When your kids are little? No, she sleeps in a 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.520 little sleeping bag. I'm very strict about why not strict, 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.120 but I follow all the rules that my son puts 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.600 down for This is what she did, This is her routine. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:21.440 And I wouldn't dare. 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.040 Cross that you have one son. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.359 My eldest is twenty seven, my daughter is eighteen, and 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.080 then I've got a younger son who's sixteen, still at school. Yeah, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.560 I've got a child at My husband's biggest fear is 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.599 we still have kids at school while we had grown children. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.440 And hey, it's come to pass. But I'm stoked because 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.760 I wanted more than three kids. So I feel like, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.200 you know, I've got a little bit of that. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.040 At eighteen months old, one and a half years, they're walking, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.000 they're actually that's total level. That's when they're a little 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:50.880 bit mischievous. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.320 What do your personalities come out? 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.119 But also like there, what do you do is your house? 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.240 We play with my jewelry. I've got a room set 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.279 up for her. She loves reading books. We go to 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.159 the park. But I like we're a family of homebodies. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.080 I like hanging out at home and just mucking around. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.280 Yeah. Yeah, but do you job with your house? Like 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.160 so do you you're running around making sure there's a Yeah, 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:13.680 you have to. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.240 Buy all the new stuff, like I have to buy 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.960 a cot again. I have to buy pram again in 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.320 a high chair and all that stuff I've just completely 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.680 forgotten about, and nappies and you know, a lot of 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.400 the stuff stay the same, but there's you know a 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.520 few funky new inventions. I like a funky new pram. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.600 And are you one of those grandparents I try to 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.200 be who tries to be constructive with the kid, for example, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.960 relatively the way I was with my kids growing up. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.200 I just happy for me to get up, beat their 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.920 food and go back to sleep. Yeah, as opposed to 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.200 now when George is there, he's a seven year old. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.400 I'm always trying to give in constructive things to do, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.680 like lego, let's make something, let's do something like I 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.000 try to be like more educational. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.240 No, I just want to be fun. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.040 You want to be fun? 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:58.880 Yes, I just want to be fun. And that's what 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.200 one of the things I love. There's no pressure, like 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.559 if she doesn't have all the food groups at my house. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.280 Oh well, like we just have fun. I feel no 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.000 pressure to tick all the boxes and do all the things. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.640 On the Tiger are you Yeah, that's weird. I'm the 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.280 Tiger grand dad. I'm going he's got to be able 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.120 to you know, like bounce of basketball, hit the punch 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:23.600 of pads. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.200 No, I forget all that stuff, like I forget like 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.240 even with my third I've sort of forgot that I 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.280 had to teach him things like how to tie shoelaces, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.280 how to answer the phone, like I sort of because 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.240 there was such a big gap between my kids. It 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.480 was like I've been a parent for so long and 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.719 now I'm you know, I'm now being a grandparent. So 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.959 I kind of I've never been very good. I'm good 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.920 at the life lessons, like the teaching about you know, feminism, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.960 and I love nothing more than having my kids trapped 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.000 in the car with me so I can deliver a lecture. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.280 Your kids will got about life. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.400 What about grandkids, Well, I don't talk to she's too 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.920 little to absorbed my life lessons. But particularly I love 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.800 a car of teenage boys on the way to sport, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.319 where I can just give them a little bit of 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.600 coaching about life and about women and about consent and 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.160 about how to be a good guy. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.400 That's interesting because they usually. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.800 Try to get out of the car while it's still 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.440 moving to get away from me. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.320 Thanks missus, Frevean, Why, thank you? Thank you? 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:20.960 Thanks? 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.200 Okay, Well, sixteen year old is a pretty interesting age group. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.240 Fifteen sixteen is a pretty interesting age group. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:28.880 I love sixteen year old boys. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.119 They're pretty aware, they're so. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.040 Oh, they're so funny. My son's group of friends are 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:40.120 just so funny and interesting and quirky, and they're just 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.959 good kids. They're just really interesting, good kids. I love 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.840 talking to, you know, younger people, my daughter's friends as. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.679 Well, But when they're that age me like, you can 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.920 get the boys who are not not sulky, but it's 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.440 not cool to talk to MoMA or be sin as 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.000 talking to mom. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.800 In front of them. Yeah, they've come out of that. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.520 He's come out of that. Luckily. That always breaks my heart, 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.480 that face. At least I was prepared for it because 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.160 it happened with my eldest. But I find those years 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.880 between about twelve and about sixteen really hard. I really 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.440 missed them because they're just they don't even you know, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:10.120 you touch them. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.920 And they literally totally you were touched before. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.360 Like they recoil from you, and that breaks my heart. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.280 But then they come back around this age we. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.080 Were just talking about, because it's interesting you just said 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.760 to me about you know, you might talk to about 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.920 life lessons, things that you've learned and experienced and things 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.920 that you're passionate about, and you know, and that is, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.320 you know, I don't want to see women's rights and 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.080 feminism generally in the broader sense and all those things 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.520 ago with it, and you know the position of women 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:44.000 in society. I actually read most of my sons on 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.439 my own, so it was me and before sons, and 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.840 then we had a male dog as well. And one 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.400 of the things that I noticed that when they all 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.360 went out on their own, they left time at made 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.840 in nineteen twenty. They'd had very little experience with it 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.000 other than my mother and that was more a grandmother. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:06.600 Did they go to boys schools as well? 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.760 They were Cranbrooken Escot And. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.600 I think that's really really challenging, you know. I think 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:19.040 that single sex education is yeah, is problematic, particularly if 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.480 kids don't have siblings of the opposite sex at home. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.880 I think it can It can mean that, I mean, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.960 and I went to a girl's high school, but it 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.600 can mean that weekends can just be about hooking up. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.720 Like you're so focused on the hook up, you almost 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.360 don't have time to have girls as friends or boys 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.120 as friends unless you're in a sort of a group, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.240 which I had growing up because my best friend had 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:43.840 a twin brother, so we had this big group of 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.880 girls and boys. And my son has that as well. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.280 They have a big group of girls and guys that 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.640 are all mates. But yeah, I think that that's it's 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.520 so important to have friends of the opposite sex. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.920 Well, given it that you're someone who's you operate in 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.080 this environment, what would you have said to someone like 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:12.800 me and during that period, because I was acutely unaware 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.719 of what might be the consequences of not having them 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.840 exposed to enough women in their life, influencial women I'm 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.719 talking about. And they all relied on each other quite 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.040 heavily because I was always flying overseas to work. So 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.200 we had a nanny there, but she was Japanese, couldn't 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.600 speak hardly in the English, and she would take over 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.199 when I was away, and the boys had sort of 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.679 pretty much run right. What don't mean by that? Not 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.800 in a bad way. But they owned the house. They 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.120 owned the place because it's four of them, and they 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:47.559 range from nineteen down to nine and a probably a 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.360 bit overwhelming for the poor girl when I think about 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.640 it in hindsight. But I never used think about this stuff. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.000 But I didn't really have an alternative. I guess I've 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.960 got a sold them to send them to, a sold them, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.160 could have sold them to, could have sent him to 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.640 a co at school. But I wasn't aware of those things. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.440 You know, maybe I'm maybe I'm the problem. Maybe I 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.240 was just totally unaware of having proper balance for them. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:09.920 I only become aware of when they got older. What 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.679 would you say to someone like that? Because there must 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.040 be other men in those situations. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.160 I just think they learn a lot by how the 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.240 men in their life treat women and talk about women. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.120 I think that that's I think that you model that behavior, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.200 whether it's how the men in their life treat their 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:36.040 mother or their grandmother, or their aunts or their you know, waitress, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.559 or you know someone that works in their house or 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.800 that works for them, or their teacher. You know, it's 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.280 how you talk about women. It's how you talk about 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.960 women that you know, how you talk about women that 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.000 you don't know, women that are in the news, women 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.800 you know, And I think they learn a lot about 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.120 how to be in the world just by osmosis. It's 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.120 not though, it's not you know, for all of my 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.920 life lessons in the car, it's not really that. It's 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:05.840 the quantity exposure that they get. Because kids biggest role 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.160 models are always their parents, and they have the most 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.680 exposure to their parents in most cases. So I think 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.720 that it's about that interesting. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.599 So probably what I should have been doing at that 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.080 time is because I was very close to my mother 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.000 and my sister, I probably should have been exposing them. Well, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.040 I did expose them a bit, but I should expose them. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.120 I should have exposed them more to those things. It's 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.560 funny because I just never grew up aware of those things. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.880 Maybe it's a generational thing too for my generation. You know, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.960 men and men women women. Men went to work, you know, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.560 provided the women stayed hound mind the kids. You know, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.880 if the husband and wife never sort of crossed paths 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.360 because when he got home she was on a bed, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.520 or because she was too tight, and that was pretty normal. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.720 Certainly when I grew up and a firm believe monkey, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.600 see monkey, do exactly. It doesn't matter what you get told, 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.320 you said Biasmosis. And as you said that, I'm thinking, well, observation. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.760 I observed I did, and my son's probably observed me. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.880 I wasn't disrespectful to women, but I just had no 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.920 women in life. I didn't even have a girlfriend. Like. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.360 I didn't want to do that because I didn't want 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.600 to challenge them with that, So I was just Dad 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.840 went to work. Dad came home and looked and you know, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.680 marked around with the boys and told him do the 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.600 home and go to bed, and then Dad would go 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.760 on a work trip and come back ye later. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.960 I don't know how you would have constructed that, like 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.960 without it, you know, it's not like, let's go and 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.960 be around some women like I don't know if you 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.360 can sort of do that, but it's you know, I 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.960 think one of the toughest things for boys and girls 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.240 is seeing the opposite sex is the other. And you know, 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.840 one of the I remember saying to my son he 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.760 really appreciated were on the way to school one day 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.920 he had like an exam. He was in the middle 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.920 of his exams and something had happened in the US. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.920 I think it was the Supreme Court Roe versus Weight 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.560 or something, and I was trying to explain that the 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.560 rights to reproductive right. It's like the abortion being legal 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.360 is not just a women's issue. It's also a man's 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.560 issue because if you accidentally get a goal pregnant, which 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.080 you probably will in your lifetime at some stage, guess 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.120 what that is half of your problem. And if she 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.840 doesn't have access to abortion legally. And I was giving 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.120 this whole copse, and it's like, can I please just 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.000 study for my friends Inciente? And I was like, okay, yeah, 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.680 but it's really important. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.600 So can I just do you mind if I just 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.880 take a little bit. I don't know. I mean, there's 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.360 a lot of stuff in the bedro on Wikipedia, but 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.480 I know half the stuff in Wikipedia, with the gross perspective, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.240 Wikipedia is incorrect. I know that my birthday is on 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.000 there sometime in November, and it's like my birthday was 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.520 in June. So what my team produced to me is 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.760 probably incorrect. So can I go back? Mea Friedman as 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.680 a young kid? Yeah, where'd you were up? 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.640 I grew up in Sydney, brothers and sisters. An older 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:52.760 brother seven years older. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.440 Yeah, and mum and dad divorce, married, married, still married, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.240 happily married. And your dad, my dad. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:06.239 Was started his own business when I was probably in 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.760 late primary school. So it was like he had a 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.080 business partner. He'd worked in you know, he'd been as 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.320 sort of a stockbroker, went out on his own entrepreneur. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.280 It was very much the two families because it was 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:26.440 his business partner was his cousin's husband, and they kind 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.680 of literally from the kitchen table, like I have very 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.000 strong memories of the two families sort of grew up together, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.399 and it was you know, we'd be putting things in 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.600 envelopes and sending them out the kids, and it would 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.439 be walking, you know, trying to think of names for 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.560 the business. So we watched that happen. I wasn't you know. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.080 He was an immigrant from South Africa, so his whole 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.280 family came over as a political protest to apartheid in 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.639 the sixties because that's the only way you could protest 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.600 apartheid is by leaving. And they had a great life there. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.920 His father was a doctor and his mother was an artist, 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.359 and you know, white people had great lives in South 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:07.440 Africa during apartheid, but they found it absolutely oborron and 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.600 they left in protest and came to Australia with nothing 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.320 and had to start again. So I did not grow 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.200 up in a house with money. My mum, her father's 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.280 a doctor, but you know, very working class and middle class, 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:28.400 and she was Australian or yeah Australian, you know, back 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.479 to the convicts. And so, yeah, I grew up in 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.880