WEBVTT - #1921 Movement Is Medicine - Kelly Smith 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.960 I get a champs. I hope you're great. I hope 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:07.880 you're having a great day, night, walk, workout, bus ride, 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.520 car ride. I don't know all of it. I hope 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.360 it's good. You know why, because why the fuck wouldn't 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.040 I hope that for you. It's a Sunday. It's I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:19.920 feel like I'm doing radio again. I'm just looking at 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.880 the time. I'm doing a time check and a station 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.440 ida and a show idea. It's the U Project, It's 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:29.040 Fatty Harps, It's Jumbo. It's nine past eleven and Kelly Smith. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.800 I'm very FM right now. Kelly Smith is back. She's 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.159 back to ask me some questions. She's she's done a 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.720 little bit of a tiff. She didn't live in the Bamboo, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.200 but she's she's slowly just making her way into the 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.760 corridors of typ She was in the foyer for about 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.640 a year. She's made her way up the stairs and 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:53.280 now she's about three meters from my office and just 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.480 just weaving her way into the team. HIKEL Hi, Craig, 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:58.920 how are you. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.520 I'm very well well. I'll get some tips from Tiff 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.119 on how to break down the door, how. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.120 To infiltrate the bloody the upper echelon. There is no echelon, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.080 there's no stairs, there's no corridor. It's just it's just 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.280 all a fiction. But I'm glad you here. We had 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.520 fun last time. If you don't know who, kell is 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.200 Kel's a listener who I really like the way she 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.560 thinks and I like the way she asks questions. And 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.760 she came on quite a while ago. She said, Hey, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.720 I've got some questions, and I went, why don't you 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.120 ask me those questions on a microphone and we'll have 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:36.080 a chat and maybe maybe that interaction will be of 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.480 interest to other people. And I mean this with the 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.520 most respect because Kelly and I are kind of the same. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.520 I like the fact that you just a regular human 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:50.240 with regular challenges and regular questions, and I like, I 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.960 mean as much as I like interviewing famous people who 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:58.280 are doing cool shit. I love I love talking to 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.760 people like Scottie Douglas, who up today Sunday and the 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.000 other day Scottie Douglas, the paramedic who had cancer, who's 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.920 was a chef who owned multiple Have you heard any 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:08.280 of him? 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:09.400 He was great? 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:11.239 Yeah, I loved him. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:12.399 Yeah. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:17.240 Well, we met and had a coffee because he's a 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.680 mysteriously a fan and a follower of Jumbo, and he's 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.840 like really wanted to get together and had a coffee 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.040 and we had a coffee and I went, you know, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.200 when you go, oh, you're way more interesting than me, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.440 it's like, why do you want to hang out? You're 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.639 definitely more interesting than me, So I'm going to get you. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.040 I said to him, what we're doing right now? This 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.160 is at the cafe. I said, what we're doing right now, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.240 we need to do a version of what we're doing 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.680 now where a bunch of people can listen because you're 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:49.640 fucking interesting. And what I love about I don't know, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.400 I've said this a bunch, but what I love about 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.640 just general normal conversations, where like you and I were 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.200 having a chat before we pressed record, and I was thinking, fuck, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.320 we should be recording this because we're talking about where 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.560 we grew up, your challenges in mind. I'm like, this 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.920 is actually good to listen to. But I love the 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.840 fact that you know people can and obviously not everything 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.760 will relate for everybody, but you know, the normal trials 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.400 and tribulations, peaks and troughs of just trying to figure 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.040 shit out and find find our things, find our reason, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.679 find our purpose, find our path, you know, and it's 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.280 a never ending journey. But in the middle of all 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.960 that to have some fun as well. So fuck, that 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.320 was long winded, So welcome back. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.480 Thanks for having me again. It was there was heaps 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:33.360 of fun last time. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.840 Did you get any did you get any feedback? 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.640 There was a few people in the group that commented 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.800 and said they were really good questions, and so that 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.880 was really nice. I shared it with some people at 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.680 work who listened and said that they listened every day 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.520 and they were really surprised to hear me, which was 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:57.320 really cool. I shared it with my Nan, who I've 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.640 mentioned before. She's ninety five, and. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:01.920 Tell the listeners what she said. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.160 So she starts listening and she said, oh, he's a 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.520 bit sweary. I said, yep, he is. And then we 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.640 get through the episode and she said, tell me again, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.680 what's his name? And I said Craig Harper. She says, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:14.800 never fucking heard of him. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.240 I love Nan. How old is Nan? 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:19.400 Ninety five? 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:25.120 Well? God, bless Nan? Yeah, yeah, bless her. Yeah that's amazing, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.880 that's amazing. And yeah, well, and so what are we 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.360 talking about today? What was tell people about the general 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.760 kind of theme that you wanted to explore. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.600 I'm very interested in you talk a lot about how 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.200 there's some people that you've trained before who And there's 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.320 one story that I've heard a few times where you 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.160 say that you know, you had this guy come in 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.560 and then he was really determined, Yep, I'm going to 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.960 do everything, and half an hour later you saw him 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.560 at the bakery with fistfuls of doughnuts and everything. And 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.320 I'm really curious about, given the length of your career 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.360 and the amount of people that you've trained, and when 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.400 is it, who are the people? How many have you 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:09.400 seen really succeed and actually change what you call their 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:15.120 internal operating system? So what kind of common factors do 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.120 these people have. Is it like a personality trade, is 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.320 it a level of determination? Is it like a routine 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.760 they put in place? Is there something that kind of 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.960 you can look at someone and go, yep, I know 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:27.680 that you'll do it. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.919 Yeah, that's I mean, like, this is a big conversation, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.640 So we'll go where we go. But it's a really great, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:42.919 great question to explore because for the most part, everyone 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.480 that came to my gyms over the years, you know, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.520 and we had I don't know tens and tens of 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.240 thousands of I mean I did fifty thousand sessions, and 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.480 then I had five hundred trainers, so we probably did 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.000 millions of PT sessions over twenty five years, to be honest. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.800 But the commonality is that everybody that comes into the 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.640 room wants to change. Like nobody says, hey, I want 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.479 to spend whatever it was back then, sixty dollars an hour, 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.560 three times a week, one hundred and eighty dollars a week, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.000 nine thousand dollars a year. And I don't want any change. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.080 I don't want results. I want to look just right. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.000 So the common denominator has changed. The common denominator is 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:25.680 a desire to be different, feel different, look different, function differently. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.359 But then what a lot of people don't think about 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:34.600 so much coming in is that, oh, this is actually 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.640 so much about my mind and my emotions and my 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.440 beliefs and my thinking, and my background and my peaks 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.560 and trufs and my anxiety, and it's so much about 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.400 the internal stuff. It's about the stuff that we can't see, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.280 you know. It's about what are all of the emotional 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:55.920 and psychological and even sociological drivers of my behavior. In 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.800 other words, I know that I shouldn't eat three pies 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.080 a day, but I eat three pis a day sometimes. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.880 And when I say everything today, folks, no judgment, just 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.560 conversation and just just awareness, just honesty. And I mean 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.120 I did the same thing. I mean I was. I've 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.240 spoke many times about how I got to a point 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.400 in my own journey where I just started to put 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.560 back put weight back on after being very fit, very lean, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.760 and because I you know, for a range of reasons 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.120 that I could justify. But the bottom line is it 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.800 was just me making bad decisions and doing bad things 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.600 and then trying to hide my own behaviors. Right. But 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.720 it's trying to figure out what are the drivers of me, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.000 Like why do I do the stuff that I do? 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.680 And I think, broadly speaking, I don't think there's a 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.160 single answer to that question, because you know, different people 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.360 are driven by, you know, different things. Some people are 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.760 moving away from something, some people are moving towards something, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.640 some people are doing both. Some people are moving away 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.760 from the feeling that they have when they are a 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.720 certain and weight or shape or size, or hit a 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:08.400 health state, or they just don't want to be that anymore. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:13.640 Other people, you know, drive to their mums on Sunday 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.600 and see a fuck load of people doing a fun 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.520 run and go, I want to do a fun run. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.600 I want to do a fun run. I want to 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.360 be able to do that that looks amazing and I'm 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.560 going to do what's required to do a five or ten. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.520 Because so they're moving towards that, but simultaneously, I guess 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.680 also moving away from how they don't want to be. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.240 So there are these positive and negative motivators or reasons, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:39.280 I guess, But like, what makes the difference is, well, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.600 a bunch of things. But this is weird. But I 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:48.959 feel like in that this is very very much undercooking 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.640 a very big question. But it almost comes down to 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.480 how much do you want that thing? Really? And a 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.480 lot of people will say i'd really fuck want it, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.319 and then it gets a little bit hard. They throw 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.280 in the towel. I go, well, you don't really want 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.800 it at all, You just like the idea of it. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.920 I mean, what are you prepared to do? How uncomfortable 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.120 are you prepared to get? What sacrifices will you make, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.360 What effort will you make? What things will you start 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.959 doing and stop doing? How long will you do it 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.640 for and what about in this situation? And what about 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.400 if that happens? And what about if you get a 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.920 sore foot? And what if you're at your sister's thirtieth 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.920 birthday and what about? And it's like, oh oh, because 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.040 you know, the truth is that unless it is really 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.440 an inside out revolution, most people go back to what 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.600 they did, like remembering. As you've heard me say many times, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.040 the best predictor of future behavior has past behavior. So 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.680 if somebody's kind of been not really doing the best 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.080 thing for their body and their health, and you know, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.840 their function for the last forty five years, for the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.559 most part, the chances are that all be what they 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.480 do in the future. That is not to say they 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:11.000 can't change. It's to say that statistically most people won't change. Now, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:16.160 big distinction. Ye, So you know it's like I know 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:22.280 people who've literally been diagnosed with cancer and kept smoking. Yeah, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.360 I'm like, wow, wow, no judgment just for me, Like 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.319 fucking hell that And they're not better than me or 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.120 worse than me, and vice versa. But I'm like, oh 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.680 my god, if somebody said to me, Craig, if you 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.640 I don't know, if you ever eat another piece of bread, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.200 you're going to get whatever. I'd never eat another bit 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.480 of bread, and it wouldn't even be an issue. I 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.760 would just go right. I don't do bread the end. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.679 Now that's a little bit about how my brain's wired. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.040 But I think when we can get people to really 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.479 understand their body and their health and all the variables 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:02.240 and be proactive rather than reactive, like we've said many times, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.360 people will shut up after this cal By the way, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:11.560 people tend to wait till something breaks or something's wrong, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.760 or they're sick, or they get a diagnosis, or they're 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:21.440 terrified to get serious. And I'm saying, well, get serious now. Now, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.000 serious doesn't mean that life's got to be revolving around 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:29.000 exercise and or gym or beating fucking high this low 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.360 that food for the you know, it's just like, oh, well, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.840 what's the best system or the best operating kind of 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.800 protocol for you? But invariably it comes down to, on 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.280 the simplest of levels, how deeply somebody wants that and 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.280 how important it is to them, I. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:49.680 Think, And is that something that when someone comes to 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.840 you over like when they did over the course of 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.960 your career, were you able to identify that from the 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.000 outset and just go, yeah, I know that I'm working 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.000 with someone here who is going to make that change 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:03.280 and stay consistent. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.520 Yes, And I'm not going to say all the time, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.080 I'm going to say most of the time, I would 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.840 meet with like I actually met with a friend recently 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.319 and a friend of theirs. They asked me if I 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.840 would sit with this other person who was kind of 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.400 spinning their wheels, going around in circles and wanting the 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.280 results without the work, you know, the top of the 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.680 mountain without the climb, And they're like, please, could you 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:29.800 just talk to this person? And I went. My proviso was, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.640 if they want to talk to me and they know 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.880 what I'm about, gladly, I'll gladly do it. I'll gladly 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.840 give them an hour of my life and energy and 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.560 focus and forty five years of experience. I'll give them 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.439 all of that. But they have to be fucking boots 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.520 and all right. They need to be. Don't come to 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.200 me if you're not ready. If you're ready, I'll do 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.600 everything I can do to help you. But if you're 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.320 not ready, then you know, carry on, enjoy life and 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.360 get back to me when you're ready. Right, And we 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.040 got together and they're definitely not ready. Yeah, they're not ready. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.560 And I don't mean that to be arrogant. I just 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.880 know that because I've done that so many times, and 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.800 even a few weeks later, that's proving to be true 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:21.120 right now. So, like I said to you before we started, 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.160 I'm I'm not. I think one of the reasons I 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:30.600 am quite consistent and focused and committed when I figure 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.040 out what I want to do, be create change is 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.360 because I thinks I'm not naturally gifted. I don't have 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.400 great genetics. I can't run fast or jump high. I'm 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.400 not brilliant. I'm not I can't sing, I can't dance, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.320 I can't you know all those things. Which is not 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.280 to say I had no talent or no intelligence, but 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.920 it was to say that if you objectively think do 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.640 I want to get the most out of my body 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.679 and my life and my career and my most people 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:00.800 are going to go yeah, I do. I do, And 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.600 then I would say cool, how will that happen? Like 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.600 do you want a nine or a ten out of 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.600 ten result? Or do you want to two? Well, everyone's 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.800 going to go I want a nine. I go, well, 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.760 right now, your effort and application is a two, and 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.920 but you're telling yourself it's a seven. So this is 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:23.560 and this is one of the hard things, real hard 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:30.320 things in self awareness, human behavior, you know, psychology, personal growth, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.440 whatever we want to call it, is that we love 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.600 to give ourselves a get out of jail card, and 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:40.680 we love to rationalize what we're not doing. And what's 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.120 very convenient is when it's not my fault, then I 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.600 don't have to change. So I'm going to go it's 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.160 not me, it's Kelly, Kelly fucking I'd be there, but 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.400 Kelly keeps letting me down. And also Kelly said she 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.240 would she would give me some advice on nutrition. She 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.560 hasn't even called me, and we were going to together. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.480 She skips every second day. And look, I'm not where 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.280 I should be because of Kelly. And you people go 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.840 as if anywhere everyone does that everyone does. It might 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.560 be about their mum, it might be about their genetics, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.240 it might be about their boss, it might but the 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.440 amount of people who do not take ownership of what 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.560 they are not doing. Now, I'm not saying there are 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:28.520 no shit parents or shit bosses, of course, but to 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.440 say that that is the entirety of your subsistence or 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.760 you know, living the life that you don't want to 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.760 live is to go. It's got nothing to do with me. Well, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.080 that's delusion one I won. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.080 Yeah, And I mean, look, you know, I haven't been 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.200 there because it's winter and it's cold, so that's why 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.520 I'm skipping every second day. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.040 So it's not my fault either, one hundred percent. And 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.600 I've got a bit of a saw toe. So you 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.400 can't train because obviously with a saw toe there are 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:55.800 no exercises you can. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:16:00.480 Do, none, absolutely none. What you said earlier in terms 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.120 of people would come to you and they want the 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.800 training because they want to look and feel different, and 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:10.040 then ultimately it's mindset and knowing that you know their 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.320 actual internal system has changed and that's their key driver. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.880 When did you start to realize that because starting out 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.920 as a pt was was that always something that you 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.320 were in tune with or did you go in more 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.120 so about the body? 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:34.320 Yeah, so I realized. I apologize to people who've heard 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.200 a version of this and even you must heard some 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.480 of this shit thirty times, but it just it's the 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.360 answer to this question in this moment. But I realized that, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:44.920 you know, when I was a fat kid who got 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.920 in shape and all of that stuff, and all of 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.080 those things, right, you know, picked last, all that jumbo stuff. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.560 Right then I got in shape. What was the biggest 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.600 revelation to me was how people treated me. I'm like, oh, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.760 I'm because I went from being really out of shape, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:09.520 I mean, morbidly obese to exceptionally fucking fit, like stupidly fit. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.600 And you know, maybe the fittest, not the most talented, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.239 not the most athletic, but maybe the fittest kid in 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.520 my school. And then so all of a sudden, I'm fit, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.120 and I'm doing you know, push up, some body weight 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.320 and chin ups. Hadn't started weights yet, or maybe I 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.120 was just about start weights, but I was in really 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:32.480 good shape, and my world changed around me, and people 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.879 treated me different. Even adults treated me different, Teachers treated 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.399 me differently, girls. All of a sudden, I wasn't completely 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.280 invisible to the other sex. You know, all that kind 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.200 of teenage angst stuff where you go, oh fuck, now, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.520 that's all understandable. But the problem with that for me 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.679 was I learned a bad lesson. And the lesson I 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.639 learned was, Wow, the better I look, the better I 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:03.439 get treated. Now we don't want to hear that. But 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.280 that still happens in our culture today in twenty twenty five. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.200 People think it doesn't you fuck get out and about right. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.560 It doesn't happen all the time to everybody, but it 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.440 definitely happens. And so then I learned, well, if I'm 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.800 this lean, imagine if I was a bit leaner, if 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.320 I can, if I've got these muscles, imagine if I 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.840 had those muscles, if I had you know. And so 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.639 that for me became a bit of an unhealthy obsession. 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.040 And I that took that took a fair wile to 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:37.280 figure out. But specifically to your question, when I started 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.159 training people, I was really largely about the body and 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.680 the mechanics of the body, and you know biomechanics and 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.440 nutrition and muscles, and you know sets and reps and 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.160 volume and pushing and pulling and progressive overload and lift 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.000 this and jog there and stretch that, and this is 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.160 how we build muscle, and this is how we build fitness, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.440 and this how we build flexibility. So very much from 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.959 a my knowledge was not great, by the way, but 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:11.080 from a fundamental scientific principle place, then then you realize, 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.520 I've been training this lady for six months and she's 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.320 gained two kilos and her goal is to lose twenty. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.040 I'm like, what's going on? And then I'm like, I 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.680 think she's lying or I think he's lying. It doesn't 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.159 matter who right. Just happened that a lot of my 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:33.000 clients were women. And then so people would be telling 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.920 me things that just weren't true. They'd be going, oh, no, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:37.800 I go tell me what you ate yesterday, and they'd 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.720 tell me, and I'm like, okay. And then a week later, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.040 I'm like, tell me, and all of the reports on 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.040 the alleged diet did not seem consistent with the body 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.360 that I saw in front of me. And then eventually, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.720 and I mean I'm talking about not just you know, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.440 run of the meal human beings. I'm talking about doctors 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.800 that I worked with. I'm talking about people who are 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.800 super smart, intelligent. I mean everyone was intelligent, I guess, 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.440 but you know what I mean, I'm not talking about 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:12.680 uneducated people too. And I figured out, oh, people bullshit. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.640 People bullshit about what they do because they don't want 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.920 to be seen as being weak or flawed. They don't 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.280 want to be embarrassed. They don't want to own up. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.960 And then you know, also talking to people who would 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.960 that'd come into me and they'd be all guns blazing, pumped, exited, motivated, 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.359 in the zone. Fuck, I'm going to change my life. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.160 And that would last two weeks and I'm like oh, 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.639 and then then just not showing up. And this is 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.080 back more when I was working as a gym instructor, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.919 right and people would join for like, the amount of 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.960 people that would join a gym for a year and 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.200 come less than ten times, some of them less than 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.439 five would blow people's mind. You're like, oh, as if 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.040 anyone don't trust me, people do it a lot. And 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.399 so then trying it for me to understand what's all 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:04.240 the humans stuff and the people stuff underneath the body stuff, 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.800 because I'm not bad with bodies, but I don't really 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.960 understand people. So that was and I was probably twenty 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.520 two or three working as a gym instructor, just before 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.760 I started personal training and my first book I wrote 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.520 terrible title but good intention. The book was called Fattitude, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.840 which is essentially this is pre political correctness right like 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.320 Core of a century ago. But it was really about 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.480 the psychology of getting in shape. And I use getting 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.200 in shape as a blanket term for whatever people want 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.679 to achieve with their body. Right, So, yeah, I was, 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.920 and I'm stillgo. You know, my research, my current research. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.520 So for me, I'm way more interested in minds and 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.080 brains and human behavior and psychology and why we do 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.920 shit and why we think the way we do. Way 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.080 more interested in all of that than muscles. Muscles are great, 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.600 but you knowuscles just respond to the mind. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.960 I really like that muscles respond to the mind. 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:07.600 They just do what you make them do. 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:12.800 Yeah. Absolutely. The first time I signed up for a gym, 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.679