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Speaker 1: Fatty Harps, It's Jumbo. It's nine past eleven and Kelly Smith.

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Speaker 1: I'm very FM right now. Kelly Smith is back. She's

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Speaker 2: on how to break down the door, how.

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Speaker 1: To infiltrate the bloody the upper echelon. There is no echelon,

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Speaker 1: there's no stairs, there's no corridor. It's just it's just

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Speaker 1: Kel's a listener who I really like the way she

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Speaker 1: Well, we met and had a coffee because he's a

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Speaker 1: oh well, we go, well, there's exercise, yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: under that, well there's strength training and fitness training and

431
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: muscular endurance and aerobic endurance and flexibility and balance and

432
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: speed and coordination and like oh fuck, there's just and

433
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: then how much should you train and how hard should

434
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Speaker 1: you train? And how much of this should you do

435
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: versus that and how often? And by the way, what

436
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: is intensity is seven out of ten for me seven

437
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: out of ten for you? No, because all of this

438
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: is unique to the individual, right So, and then oh well,

439
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: how much recovery should I have and how much time

440
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: between sets? And should I train legs twice a week

441
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: or once a week? And should I do interval training

442
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: or should I do steady state cardio training? And should

443
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: I do it on a treadmill? Is that better than outside?

444
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: Or is outside better? Because running on a treadmill has

445
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: got a fucking deck. And right now, that's just one component.

446
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: That's before we get to sleep. That's before we get

447
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: to food. That's before we get to lifestyle and booze

448
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: and drugs and stress. And I mean, what people don't

449
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: understand is there are a fucking million variables that impact

450
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: your body. So you can go to the gym five

451
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: days a week and train like an Olympian and look

452
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: like dog shit and feel like dogshit because you don't sleep,

453
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: You're constantly stressed, you're pumping out cortisol all day, your

454
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: diet is substandard, and you drink booze every day. But

455
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: five days a week you train like a hero. Well

456
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: that's good, but that's like five percent of it, you know.

457
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's about optimizing. You know this, and I've

458
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: said this to you before, but it's like I'm like,

459
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm sixty one. I can't get another body,

460
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: can't get better genetics, can't get more hours in a day,

461
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: can't undo anything that I've done, can't go back and

462
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: change history, can't wake up tomorrow and b sixty three.

463
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: So with my body, with my genetics, with my fucked shoulders,

464
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: with my time, with my money, with my resources, with

465
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: my intentions and goals, what should I do? How do

466
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: I optimize my body? Now? If we didn't have emotions,

467
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: all we'd do is go, what's the best thing for me?

468
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: And we'd figure that out and then we just do it.

469
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: But we have emotions, so we go and fucking hurts today,

470
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: Kelly looked at me and fuck, I'm back. And then

471
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: we wake up and it's five years down the track.

472
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: It's now two thousand and thirty and we're doing the

473
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: same thing that didn't work in twenty twenty five. And

474
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: then we reach for the excuse jar and go, oh,

475
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: but you don't understand, right, I'm like, I've just had

476
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people quite rightly, might think I'm intolerant.

477
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: I am not. But I've just had the same conversation

478
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: with people for forty years. So that, Oh, you don't

479
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: understand my body, you don't understand my sits. You don't.

480
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe, but maybe you don't understand what's required

481
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: to actually fucking change. Maybe you don't want to do

482
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: the work. Maybe you're in love with the idea, but

483
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: maybe you are terrified of the process. Maybe you want

484
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: to talk about it, but you don't want to do it,

485
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: which is why you're always posting shit on social media,

486
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: but you're never actually fucking doing anything in secret when

487
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: no one's looking, because you want attention. Now, all of

488
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: these things are barriers. I feel like I've opened a

489
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: new door hell insac. All of these things are barriers

490
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: to you becoming independently strong and self sufficient because the

491
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: more we the more we depend. How do I say this,

492
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: The more we are dependent right on accolades and endorsement

493
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: and around of applause. And you're amazing, Kelly. Oh you

494
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: went for a run. Look at you. Oh you posted

495
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: your time and your distance and your heart rate. And oh,

496
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: good on you, and oh look and look what she's

497
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: eating for breakfast, You're amazing. All that, to me is

498
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: such toxic psychological bullshit because all we're doing is looking

499
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: for approval. All we're doing is looking for approval. I'm

500
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: not okay, let me re date that often what we're

501
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: doing is looking for approval. And for me, I know

502
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: it's a very common thing to do, so I know

503
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: I'm probably getting in trouble. But the reason that I

504
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: say it is because I want people to be independently

505
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: committed and proactive and productive. And if people know good,

506
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: if people don't know good, like, what we don't need

507
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: is a bunch of people who addicted, who are addicted

508
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: to attention, who are addicted to positive reinforcement, who will

509
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: not do what's required unless there's some kind of social

510
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: recognition or trophy, because now all we've built is another

511
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: addiction that we have to meet or feed versus you know, like,

512
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: and I'm a fuck up. I fuck up all the time.

513
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: But yesterday I got home at nearly ten o'clock from

514
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: seeing my mum and my dad, and I've been busy

515
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: all day, so I hadn't been for our walk and

516
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: as you know, my rock bottom is ten thousand. And

517
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: by the time I bought all the shit in from

518
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: the card that I looked at my steps and I've

519
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: done like four thousand, five hundred. I'm like, oh goody.

520
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: So I just put on a coat and I went out.

521
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I went out and I did six thousand steps at

522
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. And just because I've got to do ten thousand.

523
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: And I know that life doesn't end if I don't.

524
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: But I go, all right, well, what else do I

525
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: need to do? Nothing in particular, Can I get another

526
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: six thousand done? I can? And so and I know,

527
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: ironically I'm now talking about it on my show, right,

528
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: but for a reason, you know, But it's like, what

529
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: can you do when no one's looking? Because we're trying

530
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: to build habits that are just ingrained, not behaviors, habits

531
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: that are present when someone's looking.

532
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just on that though, and if it's okay, I'm

533
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: going to challenge a little bit about a pro how

534
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: close do you think the idea of approval is to accountability?

535
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: So I know, for instance, I will post some gym

536
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: shots of myself, like I'm not talking about you know,

537
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: posing and all that kind of stuff, but I like

538
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: to share a little bit. I know that people who

539
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: my friends, they quite often will say, oh, we like it,

540
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: and sure, yeah, I post a few things I find

541
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: that I do that like. It's not approval as such,

542
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: more so accountability. And I've listened to and read quite

543
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: a few things where there's people who they might be

544
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: socially isolated or lonely or don't have big groups of people,

545
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: and so they're like, well, for me posting this online,

546
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: it's actually it's pushing me out of a form of

547
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: my comfort zone and it's making me accountable to whoever

548
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: it is, could be the invisible audience that they have. Yeah,

549
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: how close do you think? Approval and accountability are linked?

550
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Linked? For sure? And I think what you're saying is

551
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: very reasonable, and which is why I backtracked and I

552
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: went not all off it right, And I still think

553
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: it's often. Have I ever put up a photo of

554
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: me doing something? I have? Probably probably twice a year.

555
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: I'll put up a well, probably once a year, a

556
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: photo of me training. And by the way, do I

557
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: like it when people go you look good? Of course

558
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I do, of course I do. Do I like it

559
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: when I get praise fucking oath.

560
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: Well, are you human?

561
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a human. I know it's incredible.

562
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: But I think the problem kel is when the behavior

563
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: only happens when we get the attention and the approval,

564
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 1: and when that is the reason for the I'm doing

565
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: this to get that. So I think it depends on

566
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: the reason, the underlying reason. You know. It's like you

567
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: can do something nice for someone just because you fucking

568
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: love them and you're a good human, or you can

569
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: do something nice for someone because you think you're going

570
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: to get something back. So it's completely strategic, not loving.

571
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing driven by a different driver

572
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: or a different emotion. You know. One is I'm putting

573
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: this shit up because when I put it up, it

574
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: just it keeps me in the zone and it might

575
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: encourage a few other people. And like, one of the

576
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: reasons I put up stuff is because I want people

577
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: to see someone who's old, who's in pretty good shape. Yep,

578
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: that's it, you know, But that's why I do it

579
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: very infrequently, but I want, you know, I think one

580
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: of the biggest things, one of the challenges for me anyway,

581
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: is to get people to believe in themselves and to it,

582
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: or at least get curious more curious about their potential.

583
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another question that I had. Have you

584
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: like those moments? Have you remembered those moments when you

585
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 2: see that switch flick within someone where it just all

586
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: clicks into place and that you know that Yep, Okay,

587
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: they've got this.

588
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a very current story that

589
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: I've never told because it happened yesterday, right, So this

590
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: is brand new to the you project. So yesterday, my

591
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: dad's best friend is a guy called Gil. And you

592
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: may or may not remember my kind of pseudo mom

593
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: passed away six months ago. Ray. Yeah, she was what

594
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: I called my second mom and I was her only

595
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: son in inverted commas because she's got four daughters, had

596
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: four daughters. All the girls are still around there like

597
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: my sisters. Blah blah blah blah. Anyway, so I took Gil,

598
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: who's the husband my pseudo dad. I chatted to him

599
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: through the week and he's eighty five going on fifty five.

600
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: He's a freak, right, I rang him the other day.

601
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: This is true. So he lives in Morewell, out of Morewell,

602
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: in amongst the what used to be called the stray

603
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: and paper mill, but forests with all these just like

604
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 1: kilometers and kilometers and kilometers of just trees, and there's

605
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: all these fire trails and dirt trails. So he's eighty five.

606
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I rang him and it's I was about to hang up,

607
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: and he answered, and he'd answered on his ear piece

608
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: and he'd pressed, whatever, I don't even have one of those,

609
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: and he pressed, and he was on his mountain bike

610
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: on a twenty five k ride in the dirt. But

611
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: this is what he's like. He's a weapon. And anyway,

612
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: he'd spoken to me a bit about, you know, getting

613
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: doing some strength training because he's very very like he

614
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: has a farm, is very bloky, very blokey, buildshit, fixes shit,

615
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: but you know, just doing something too consciously anyway to

616
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: build strength. And I went, well, look, I can come

617
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: over and write your program. I said, but why don't

618
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: we just like meet There's a gym literally five minutes

619
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: from his house. Let's just meet there. I'll take you

620
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: in here. He's like, I don't really want to train

621
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: in a gym, Like he never trained in a gym,

622
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: and so I went, I'll tell you what, Let's just

623
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: meet there. Let's do it there. Because it's much more

624
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: convenient than me trying to teach you shit in your

625
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: lounge room or garage. So I took him there. And

626
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: because he's got a very, very mechanical engineering brain, creates things,

627
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: builds things, and he never really been in a gym

628
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: like that, and he was jumping on you know, like,

629
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: for example, the pinloaded leg press, you know, like the

630
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: one at Snap that you use or I use, and

631
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, look at this, and like

632
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: all of these and just all of these different like

633
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I just got him to use pinloaded stuff, right, because

634
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: it's a nice starting point. He was just blown away.

635
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: He had he had this idea of what a gym was,

636
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: and that he would look stupid because he's eighty five

637
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: and obviously everyone would be thirty with massive muscles and

638
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: lean and a Miss World contestant or a Mister Universe contestant.

639
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: And he was not that. And he had this whole story.

640
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: And we went there yesterday afternoon at like three o'clock

641
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: in the thriving metropolis of Morewell. While there was you know,

642
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: one bloke and a cat, there was no one there, right,

643
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: And so we trained him. By the end of it,

644
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: he's like I'm going to join. I didn't say, do

645
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: you want to join? He goes, I'm going to join?

646
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: How good is all this stuff? I go, ah, you

647
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: know so? And I think that you know you said

648
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: before you walked into a great big intimidating gym, whereas

649
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: I would go, no, you didn't. You walked into a

650
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: space that you labeled a great big intimidating gym because

651
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: most people in there on that day and not thinking

652
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm in a great big intimidating gym, but you are

653
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: right then. I don't know how long you went there for,

654
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: but I'm sure after a period of time you didn't

655
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: call it.

656
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: That, not at all. Like I ended up going there

657
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: for about three three years, and it was the second home,

658
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: the same way that the gym now is. And it's

659
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: interesting because I got over that and looked at it

660
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: in terms of, well, how can I use this place?

661
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: What can it do for me? Yeah, going to a

662
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: gym is a it's a comfort for me now and

663
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: it's I don't know how us to describe it. It

664
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: does great things for my body and my mind. And

665
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: I remember actually one time bumping into you before we

666
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: really started talking, and my psychologist had said to me,

667
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: what I'm prescribing to you is it will never be drugs.

668
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: It will be exercise. You need to exercise every single

669
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: day and that will be the biggest help for you.

670
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: And that was for anxiety.

671
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: And I was won by the way. What a great

672
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: psychologist whoever he or she is, shout out to them,

673
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: that's amazing.

674
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible. And I remember walking in and I bumped

675
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: into you, and you said, so, what are you training today?

676
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: And I was going there to train my brain to

677
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: shed the shit from the day, to really just get

678
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: my mind in shape. And I said, legs and just

679
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: walked in because it was still we didn't know each

680
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: other all that well then, and it wasn't really at

681
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: a time socially we're talking about mental health was something

682
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: that was so open, whereas now it's like, well, no,

683
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: I actually for my mind need to go in and

684
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: do all of that. So yeah, so you're right, Like

685
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: initially it was, it was big and intimidating, and then

686
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: after that I was like, no, no.

687
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: This is great and this is beautiful, right because this

688
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: is the this is back to the subjective objective what

689
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: it is how I see it, you know, the objective

690
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: reality of something. Oh, it's a space, it's got equipment,

691
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: equipment in it. My story is it's great and big

692
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: and intimidating. Right, that's your story. And by the way,

693
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: there's no criticism in this because I've you know, I've

694
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: gone in front of academic panels of four people, by

695
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: the way, four people the guy who talks to a

696
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: thousand in a room, and I'm like, this is the

697
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: most terrifying fucking experience in my life. This is you know.

698
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, no, that's your that's your version

699
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: of it, Craig. It's just four people listening to you talk.

700
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh yeah, but I'm the dumbest in

701
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: the room by a million miles. And this is their

702
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: this is their natural habitat. I'm not an academic blah blah.

703
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: I have this whole story. And I've done four of those,

704
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: now what they're called academic milestones through your PhD, And

705
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: the first one to the last one was a very

706
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: different experience, you know, because you're like, ah, I get it.

707
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: And all of the trauma is created by my thinking,

708
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: all of the discomfort is a result of my story

709
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: about the big intimidating gym or the big intimidating academics

710
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: looking at me, listening to me, which is not to

711
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: say it's not real. It's real, but it's like, you know,

712
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: it's that old chestnut you lift the ten kilos and

713
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: it's so heavy, and then one day it's so light,

714
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: but it's actually the exact same way, Like why is

715
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: it light now? Well, because I've changed, I've adapted. I'm different.

716
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Therefore my relationship with that thing is different. The thing

717
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: that was hard is now easy. And that's like that's

718
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: with everything. That's like with public speaking. That's like with

719
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: talking to Craig Harper in the gym. You know you

720
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: might have been intimidated and then now you're comfortable. You

721
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: know you were like, oh far, I don't know how

722
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: you were, but I'm guessing that your experience talk to

723
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: me on day one, and not that I'm special or anything,

724
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: but I've just been told so many times how fucking

725
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: terrifying I am, so I must be.

726
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: I wasn't. No, I wasn't terrified. I'm sure intimidated, but

727
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: you know that was probably at that stage intimidated by everyone.

728
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: I was curious, and I think I said this last time,

729
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: like I would just notice the amount of people that

730
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: were almost lining up to talk to you. And I

731
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: was like, who on earth is this person? And I

732
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: remembered I was seeing a natural path in Hampton and

733
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: she was friends with you. And then I kind of

734
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: put it together. And then there was one day we're

735
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: reading the paper on my partner said, this is the

736
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: dude from the gym. What's he doing in the paper?

737
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, And that's how it all kind of came

738
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: together as to who you are. And I'm like, that's

739
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: why people want to talk to him, because he knows shit.

740
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: That's funny, that's funny, that's funny. Well, you know, I

741
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: mean it's I just think I don't know if I

742
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: should yet fuck it. So he's another first. He's another

743
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: first on today's episode again brand new. I'm not positive

744
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: about what I'm about say, but I'm about ninety percent.

745
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: So I'm writing a new workshop. Right, Melissa might punch

746
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: me in the face. But Melissa, if you edit this

747
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: where you can edit it out or you can punch

748
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: me in the face of both. But so I'm writing

749
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: a new workshop which I'm going to wheel out around

750
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: Australia too, you know, all around. So I think I'm

751
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: going to most major cities between kind of August and

752
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: the end of the year. And the workshop is called

753
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: the You Experiment, right, and it's about it's about the

754
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: reality that what will work for Kelly won't work for Jane.

755
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: What will be optimal for Kelly could be catastrophic for Sally. Right,

756
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: what will work for my training partner the crab won't

757
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: work for me for a range of reasons, or it

758
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: might kind of work kind of the same, or and

759
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: it's trying to figure out okay for me in you know,

760
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: if we personalize it to you, for me, for Kelly Smith,

761
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: what's the best job for me? What's the best environment

762
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: for me to work in? How do I best what's

763
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: the best kind of leadership style for me? Or how

764
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: do I be a great team member? Or what what

765
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: about what time of the day should I eat? How

766
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: much sleep do I need?

767
00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: Do it?

768
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: What about I don't know does fruit juice work for me?

769
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Or do I just crank out too much insulin? Or

770
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: what about how do I deal with stressful situations? What

771
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: works for me? And so in the world of self

772
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: help and psychology and personal developments, and it's almost like

773
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: this siloed kind of thinking of, oh, well, you need

774
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: to try harder, be more, you know, be your best self,

775
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: live your best life, and you know, like fast and

776
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: eat this many meals and fucking lift weights and maybe

777
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, or don't lift weights. Maybe go rock climbing

778
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: or maybe do pilates, or maybe do body weight exercise,

779
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: or maybe fucking climb a tree. Or maybe maybe don't

780
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: go for a run, maybe hike in nature. Maybe don't

781
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: sit on an exercise bike, maybe get a real bike.

782
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: Maybe don't take drugs because your psychologist said you don't

783
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: need to, so you go for a walk or you

784
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: go to the gym. You know. It's so like my

785
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: whole thing is trying to get the message out that

786
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: despite what you get told, there is almost nothing that

787
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: works for everybody equally. Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I

788
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: can't think of one thing where this diet, this protocol,

789
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: this strategy, this workout, this amount of sleep, whatever it is,

790
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: where that particular approach to solving that problem where the

791
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: answer is the same for everybody, because it just doesn't exist.

792
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: No, it can't. And we discussed that last time as well,

793
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: that the one size fits all is just ridiculous. And

794
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: then after that discussion, I was reading from another podcast

795
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: as she was saying, I'm so fed up with the

796
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: fitness industry because for five minutes, you're told to do

797
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: hit and then you're told to do CrossFit, and then

798
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: you're told to go for a run, and then you're

799
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: told to fast, and then you're told that you need

800
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: to have threely of water a day, and then you're

801
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: told that you need to do this, but hold on,

802
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: that's not on trend anymore, so you need to do this,

803
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: and then you need to wear these shoes. And she said,

804
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: it is so overwhelming, and I'm so sick of it,

805
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: and I just want to do what is right for

806
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: me without being told that this or that is right

807
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: for me. And she said, so I'm off to pilates

808
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: because that's what I enjoy and if I enjoy it,

809
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: then I'll stick with it. And I thought great.

810
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: And her frustration is I'm sure very common, you know,

811
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: very shared. So I think I think you know like

812
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: and we've spoke many times about tracking data, you know.

813
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: That's why I call it the you experiment. It's like,

814
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: figure out what you know, Like, do you want to

815
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 1: see how your body responds to weights? Do three days

816
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: a week for six weeks. See what happens. You might

817
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: get great results, you might not. You might love it,

818
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you might hate it. You might last four sessions and

819
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: go fuck this, or you know, maybe you'll go, I'm

820
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm going to give up coffee. I might

821
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: do four weeks without coffee and see what happens, you know,

822
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: or I might like me when I started walking my

823
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: minimum ten thousand steps a day. It's the single best

824
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: thing that I've done for me in the last five years,

825
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: and such a fundamental, basic, simple thing, like not that

826
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: I not that I care so much about what I weigh,

827
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: but I pretty quickly lost four kilos, which i've so

828
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: I was eighty five for the last twenty years, give

829
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: or take, and now maybe one. I stay there. I

830
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: haven't lost any strength. If I've lost any muscle, I don't.

831
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: I can't see it. Maybe I have. But my brain

832
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: works better, my energy is better, I think my you know,

833
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: like my attitude, my emotions are better. I enjoy being

834
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: out there. The back issues that I've had for twenty

835
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: years seem to be touchwood miraculously gone because I'm just

836
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: walking so much. And I also do some backward walking

837
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: by the way. Everyone backward walking obviously in the right

838
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: place and done the right way, it can be fucking precarious.

839
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about, you know, along Chapel Street. But

840
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like, oh, who would have thought

841
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: that the exercise scientists with a million years of experience

842
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: and all of this shit would discover in inverted commas

843
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: that walking was fucking groundbreaking? And you know, for me,

844
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: just amazing. And the guy that used to only run

845
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: five to fifteen k's who does three two kilometer runs

846
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: a week. In the old days, they would have gone

847
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: two kilometers. Fuck two kilometers. What's the benefit of two kilometers?

848
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: You're not even more You're not even getting out of

849
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: the house. And now I go out the side gate,

850
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: I run like Phoebe Buffet. If anyone watches friends, you know,

851
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: I run like a crazy person for two k's. I

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Speaker 1: get home in about whatever nine or ten minutes and

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Speaker 1: I go boom. That's me. And it's literally thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: or twenty five minutes a week of my life. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just but you just figure out what works. So

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Speaker 1: that's I've spent my life figuring out what works for

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Speaker 1: me and trying to help others do the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know maybe with this new around the

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Speaker 2: country experiment, you might meet a few people where you

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Speaker 2: know you can just look at them and go, you're

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Speaker 2: going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's always good talking to you. Be quite good

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Speaker 1: at this. What's on for the rest of the day

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Speaker 1: for you, It's Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually we're going for a walk. We're heading to

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Speaker 2: the botanical gardens and we're going for a walk. So

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Speaker 2: Sunday is a rest from the gym. I go six

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Speaker 2: days and today it's a walk.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful. Will you enjoy your walk, You enjoy your week

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Speaker 1: at work, and always appreciate you coming on to the

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Speaker 1: new project and grilling me. Thanks Cal, Thanks Craig.

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Speaker 2: It was fun.