1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: I good a team. I hope you're bloody great. It's me. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: It's Tammy Van, It's Tiffany ankled katsasit you. It's the 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: bloody you project coming at you. I was going to 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: say live, definitely not live. It's light for us in 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: the moment, We'll start for the non swimmer in my 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: top left corner. The pugilist is she who punches humans 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: in the face for joy Hi. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: Tiv Hi and sinks to the bottom of the pool. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't really have a good kind of body 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: composition for floating. You're you're kind of a little bit 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: rockish in the floatability department. There was a time in 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: my life where I was like a fucking human cork. 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: I was a fat, little fucking bobby up and down. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: You could just people could sit on me and fucking 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: row ashore like I was like a fucking canoe with feet. 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I was so fucking floating. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: That's what miss the window to get you into marathon swimming. 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Then, huh oh you did. But I could eat my 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: way back there in a fucking month. Don't worry about that. 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: If I committed to getting fat, I could be fucking 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: world class by Tuesday. Don't worry. Hi Tammy, how are you? 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: I am well, thank you. That was a great introduction. 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: Yes, putting on fun things to do when you're a 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: marathon sim It's just it actually falls in line with 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: sumo wrestling, I think one of the few sports where 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: you know, the fat body fat is admired. 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Well it's not only is it my admired, it's like 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: a physiological necessity for survival and performance and you know, 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: getting the job done right. 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 3: Absolutely, because you know, cold, when you're swimming in cold water, 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't care how fit you are, and you have 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: to gain that extra insulation layer to basically survive for 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: long periods of time in freezing waters when you're doing big, 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: long swims. 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, it literally is a survival technique. 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: But you have to you have to do otherwise you 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: might not make it to the other side. 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: So me as an exercise physiologist, right, I'm fascinating because 39 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: I guess there's so you think, oh, well, obviously you 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: need to be able to fit enough, to be fit 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: enough to you know, swim the English Channel or Bass 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Straight or Murray River or Cook Straight or all the 43 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: bloody myriad of things that you swam but so you've 44 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: got to be fit enough obviously, but then you've got 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: to be able to swim well, so technically you've got 46 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: to be able to swim, but then the more fat 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: you've got, the more floatable or the more buoyant you are. 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: And then also the more body fat you've got, the 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: more you're protected from the cold. So you might be 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: really fit and really good technically, but you can't get 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the job done just because you ain't got enough warps and. 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 4: That is so true. 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: But it's also a balance because although that helps you 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: to fly, you've also got to be strong enough to 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: carry that extra weight through the pool. So you can 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: be fit, but then you have to I guess up 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: your fitness to be able to you know, pull that 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: extra in five ten kilos and it does balance out 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: obviously with the floatation. But yeah, so it's a fine 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: line between getting enough weight on to be able to 61 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: sustain yourself to actually make it, and yet not too 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: much on the other side, where you know you're compromising 63 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: lots of your fitness or you're not fit enough, you 64 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: have to train your way through. So it's a really 65 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: difficult situation. It's like the conundrum isn't it. You're trying 66 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: to get fit, you're trying to gain weight, trying to 67 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: be able to build strength, so there's so many things 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: going on, and yeah, it's a fine balance, that's for sure. 69 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: It's like a dichotomy or a contradiction because you know, 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: endurance training expends vast amount of calories, right, So one, 71 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: you've got to eat enough calories just to fucking break even, 72 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: and then you've got to double that so you can 73 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: get fat on top of all the you know, functional fat. 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: There's a thought, Yeah, what what was the I mean? 75 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Is that unenjoyable? I'd like, it seems like to me, 76 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: I think, wow, imagine just having to fucking at all 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: the food part of me is like ever, best day ever. 78 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: But in reality it wouldn't be much fun. I would imagine, oh, look. 79 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: It's best day ever for you know, for a few weeks, 80 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: like everything, you know, the joy kind of goes out 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: of it. At first, You're like really excited about the 82 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: prospect of eating whatever you like. You know, like back 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: in the day, Yeah, I might have been impartial to 84 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: a few doughnuts and chocolate and eating peanut butter straight 85 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: from the jar and cakes and you know, all those 86 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: things that usually are off limits for an elite. 87 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: High performance. 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: And it's great fun, but then it becomes a chore 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: because you're literally you know, like you said, I was 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: training in the vicinity of twenty to twenty five kilometers 91 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: a day swimming and trying to eat enough to just 92 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: cover the calories that I expend in my training was hard, 93 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: let alone, then trying to make game. 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: On top of that. 95 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: So it's literally like a full time job. If you're 96 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: not sleeping or swimming, you're eating. You just have to 97 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: keep stuff in your face. So like everything that the 98 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: novelty wears off fairly quickly. And yeah, everybody's envious. And 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: in fact, I had a lot of support crew that 100 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: were like. 101 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 4: Hey, bring me up, Hey Tam, I've eaten, like, you know, 102 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 4: a whole block of cadgurys and I've put on another kilo. 103 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: But they wouldn't come to the pool and train with me. 104 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: They were just my eating support crew. 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: Pure nutritional emotional eating support crew. 106 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: Correct. 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: What was the what was the coldest water that you 108 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: swim in? 109 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 4: Ah, that would be lockness, That would be lockness. 110 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: It was about six decrees in locknow six to seven. 111 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: But it felt like, you know, when you see the 112 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: news were on, the weather presenter says, you know, tomorrow 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: is going to be twelve, but it's going to feel 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: like it's minus two. 115 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 4: And that was pretty. 116 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: Much lockness because it's fresh water and it's very den 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: and whereas the saltwater get the boy and see and 118 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 3: you know, it just feels a lot easier to swim 119 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: through fresh waters, like like swimming through syrup, and it's heavy, 120 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: it's dense, and you sink, so you have to work hard, 121 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: you have to expend more energy to keep yourself afloat, 122 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: and you also, yeah, struggle to stay as warm. 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, that I really felt it in Luckiness. 124 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: And I do remember at one point, I think I 125 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: was just past the halfway mark and I was so 126 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: freaking cold. 127 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: I was just like an icicle. And I turned around 128 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: to my support crew and actually said to them, I 129 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 4: wish Nessie would let it come up and eat me 130 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 4: right now. I'm that cold and put me out of 131 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: my misery. 132 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: And on my support crew, I had Olympic ledgend Dawn Fraser, 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: and Dawn's like she just looked at me, She's just gone, well, 134 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 3: Nessie doesn't like cold cuts, So just keep swimming. 135 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: Oh wow, so. 136 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: No sympathy, no sympathy. 137 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, God bless hers. 138 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 4: You just said that's you keep food Messi's not going 139 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: to like you. 140 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: I never thought. I mean, I don't know why I 141 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: never thought of this, but I never thought about the 142 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: difference in buoyancy between fresh and salt water. Do you 143 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: do you have any way to illustrate that, Like, is 144 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: there a number? Is there some kind of comparative, you know, 145 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: like we're twenty five percent more buoyant when we're in 146 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: salt versus fresh or maybe you can google, maybe the 147 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: interwebs can tell us that TIF compare buoyancy in fresh 148 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: water for to salt order for a swimmer. So that 149 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: that that took you nine hours and six minutes. I've 150 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: got all your data here, it's my memory. 151 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 5: Is not that fucking amazing I've. 152 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: Got I'm glad you reminded me. I couldn't remember. 153 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: Well, you were the first person. Yeah, you were the 154 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: first person to swim It's forty kilometers in nine hours 155 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: and six minutes. Well, is it more physically or mentally challenging? 156 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 5: You know it's physically challenging, but is. 157 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: It harder to keep your head in the game than 158 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: your body in the water. 159 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 4: I think. 160 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: So, Look, I really believe it's a mental game at 161 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: the end of the day, because I think once you 162 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: get to a certain level of fitness, you know, it's 163 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: all about the mental game that you play, because if 164 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: you if you haven't got the right strategies and the tools, 165 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's so easy to pull out at any. 166 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: Point in time because you just you're continually hit. 167 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: By waves of different things, whether that be like the 168 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: physical waves, or whether that be the cold, or whether 169 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: that even just be you know, your mind in a tailspin, 170 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: you know, out of boredom even because you've got to 171 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: keep yourself occupied for a long period of time. 172 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: You're in your own. 173 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: Head, so of course you get the thoughts and the 174 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: doubts in spinning around. So you've got to keep yourself 175 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: on an even keel for a long period of time. 176 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: And you know, it's like a negotiation. Your brain's constantly 177 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: negotiating with the body because you know it's giving you 178 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 3: all sorts of signals to tell you how bad you're 179 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: feeling and how much pain you're in, and it's really 180 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: it's hard to ignore them. As you get on and 181 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: specifically in a very long swim, you're also sleep deprived. 182 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: So not only you know. 183 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: Are you physically exhausted, but you're you know, your brain, 184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: your decision making processes are slowed down from the cold 185 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: and also from the actual exhaustion of you know, maybe 186 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: swimming through the night when a time when you would 187 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: be sleeping. So you're just not functioning at your best level. 188 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: And the further you go, obviously, the more the mental 189 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: aspect comes into play. 190 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, and the bottom line, and we all 191 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: do things that aren't great for our body, but the 192 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: bottom line is it's not awesome for your body. Right, 193 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, this is a good thing for 194 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: my body, Like it's a potentially dangerous thing for your body. 195 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: So what are the provisions? And like, obviously you have 196 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: a medical person. I imagine you have a doctor or someone 197 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: in the crew. What who gets to make that call? 198 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: Like if you're like no, you can all get fucked 199 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: on swimming and they're like noewere take like under what 200 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: circumstances can pull you out of the water? What needs 201 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: to be happening. 202 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: That's a that's a really great question and it's something 203 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: that we explored through I guess through nearly a tragedy 204 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: because I actually swim in the English Channel with. 205 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 4: My brother in nineteen ninety three, my brother John, and. 206 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: We wanted to become the first brother and sister assuming 207 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: the English Channel together. And I put on ten kilos 208 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: and I think he'd put on close to ten kilos 209 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: as well. But his starting point was a lot dinner 210 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: than me, and so he didn't have as much fat, 211 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: and even in training swims leading into the channel, you know, 212 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: he'd get a lot colder than I would, you know, 213 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: when we'd go for six hours was in the bay. 214 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: So during the English Channel swim four kilometers away from 215 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 3: the coast of France, he actually got hypothermia and a 216 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: couple of you know, like he stopped for a feed 217 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: and they you know, his support creed on his boat 218 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: at that time was Dawn. She asked him me uok, 219 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: and he said yes. He was able to answer some 220 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: basic questions and within about five minutes then he just 221 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: basically sunk, disappeared underwater. 222 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 4: Dawn jumped into the water, pulled him back on board 223 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: the boat. 224 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: She broke two ribs in the process of pulling him 225 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: back in because it was a rough crossing and she 226 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: had to give him mouth to mouth resuscitation basically, so 227 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: through that horrendous experience, he luckily he was okay and 228 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 3: they were able to motor back to England again. And 229 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: I was still swimming at this point in time, and 230 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: I was unaware and the crew. I kept asking how's John, 231 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: How's John? Because I was very worried about him getting hypothermia. 232 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: It was in my mind for most of the swim, 233 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: and they wouldn't give me any updates on how he 234 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: was going. They just said, no, he's fine, but they 235 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't give me any specifics and they didn't want to 236 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 3: tell me because they were worried that I wouldn't finish 237 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: because I was only a couple of kilometers offshore, So 238 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: they didn't tell me until actually after I'd finished my crossing, 239 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: and then you know, obviously I jumped back on my 240 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 3: boat and we motored back to England, sort of chasing 241 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: their boat to make sure. 242 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 4: I was beside myself worried about how he was. So 243 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 4: there was. 244 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: A happy ending to that outcome, luckily. But you know, 245 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: lessons learned, and so now whenever I'm in a cold 246 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: water swim, Dawn has the Basically, she has the ability 247 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: to call a swim off, which is a huge responsibility 248 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: to put on someone's shoulders. But we have a pact 249 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: that if she thinks that, you know, I've been in 250 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: the water for a long period of time and I'm 251 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: heading towards hypothermia, she'll ask me what my name and 252 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: my date of birth is, and if I can't answer 253 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: those questions quickly and clearly, then the swim's over and 254 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: she'll pull me out, no questions asked. Because when you 255 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 3: sort of hypothemia is a slow creeping thing on the 256 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: body and then all of a sudden, you know, before. 257 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 4: You know it, you're hypothermic. So you can answer very 258 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: basic questions yes and. 259 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 3: No, but when you need to actually think about something, 260 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: your response is a lot slower. 261 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: So that's the sort of level. 262 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: Of safety that we have, you know, for the swims, 263 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: and everybody knows that. So it's good to have that, 264 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: you know, through that lesson, we learned we needed to 265 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: have those protocols in place. 266 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: That's amazing, And how did God bless Dawn, she's fucking 267 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: represent Shout out to Dawn. She probably won't listen to this, 268 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: but I saw you on the news the other night, 269 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: Love and you're back in the pool and you've had 270 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: a few challenges. She's doing well. She was doing some easy, 271 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: peasy laps I saw on the news. Good on her. 272 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,479 Speaker 1: How did that? How did that impact John? Like did 273 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: he like like fuck that I'm not doing that anymore? 274 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: Or did it scare him? Did it make him reassess 275 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: what happened? 276 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: I think it made him reassess. 277 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: He put on a bit of bravado, and you know, 278 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: we came back to Australia and you know, just sort 279 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: of came the farm for a little bit. But he 280 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 3: actually decided that he wanted to go back again and 281 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: do the channel and not let it beat him. And 282 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: so he I think he was more receptive to taking 283 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: on board advice because we had been telling him to 284 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: put on more weight, you know, because the signs were there, 285 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 3: and like I said, I was very concerned because you know, 286 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: he was not coping as well with the cold you know. 287 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: Before we left. 288 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: So this time he put on We went back the 289 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: following year in ninety four, and he put on twenty 290 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: two kilos. Wow, twenty two kilos, and yeah, we became 291 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: the first brother and sister assumed the channel together, so 292 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: successful crossing. 293 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's a naturally lean dude. 294 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him for but I used to see 295 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: a fair bit of him. He's a lean dude naturally. 296 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah he is. 297 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: He's very tall and very lean, very muscular, and he's 298 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: actually very suited to endurance running as well. 299 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: He's a fantastic marathon runner as well. 300 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: He's one of those rare athletes that can cross over 301 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: and has crossed over and you know sort of done 302 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: went into triathlons iman and ultra you know, try ultra 303 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: endurance trathlons as well. He did want from London to 304 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: Paris as well. So yeah, it's it's incredible. He's very versatile, 305 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: but yeah, he runs very lean, so for him, you know, 306 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: for athletes like that. You know, again, everybody is different 307 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: and that's why your training is really important. You've got 308 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: to listen to your body. You've got to understand what 309 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: it's going through. It's the same with your feed regimes, 310 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: like you know, you have timings for your feeds during 311 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: a swim and what you have, like you know, it 312 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: varies from athlete to athlete because you know, one particular 313 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: formula for one person, you know, makes somebody else throw up. 314 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 4: So there's all different variables, and it's really important to. 315 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: Put in the groundwork and the base and know what 316 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: works for you and practice it again and again and again. 317 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Like we talk a lot, Tif, I'm 318 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: going to ask you that question in the moment. I apologize. 319 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about genetic variability and how everyone's 320 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: body responds tam differently to even the same stimulus. It's 321 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: like you and Tiff might eat the same diet, do 322 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: the same training, had the same amount of sleep, same 323 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: mount and recovery, totally different outcomes. Right, she gets injured, 324 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: your fine, or you get injured chese fine, or she 325 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: makes amazing progress, you stagnate. Whatever. It's a bit about 326 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: the diet and the training and the recovery, but it's 327 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: a lot about how your body responds to that particular protocol. 328 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: And I love the I love that you're saying that 329 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: somebody can have a certain formula in the water and 330 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: it's going to make them throw up. But for somebody 331 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: else that's exactly what they need. That's just trial and error. 332 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: I guess, is. 333 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 5: It it is? It is? 334 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, obviously you take on board, the 335 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 3: generic advice of what people are using a particular carbohydrate 336 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: drink or bananas or you know, so you listen to 337 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: the advice and then you just practice that in your 338 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: training leading in and so you trial something and see 339 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: whether it agrees with you and see whether you still 340 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: feel like you're performing well. And obviously you have to 341 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: take that you have to do long swim, so you 342 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: literally whilst you don't do the full distance, you know, 343 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: you're doing training sessions that are quite long, and you 344 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: just need to keep trying and practicing different things until 345 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: you find something that you think works for you and 346 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: is agreeable and look, and you have to have a 347 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 3: couple of plan b's as well, because you know, sometimes 348 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: even during a swim, one thing may that may have 349 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: worked for you in training, may be good for the 350 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: beginning of the swim, but then you find, you know, 351 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: you start to feel a bitqueasy, so you need to change. 352 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: So you just have to have plan A, Plan B, 353 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: Plan C. It's about being prepared. It's just all about 354 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: being prepared and tailoring it to yourself and that only 355 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: comes through practice before you actually enter the event. 356 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: And so what was your I'm sure things varied over time, 357 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: but like in the lock nest, like nine hours freezing water, 358 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: coldest water you've ever been in. You wanted the locknest 359 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: monster to eat you halfway. You're hating life, what you 360 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: go to? What are you drinking or eating in that situation. 361 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: So I for a lot of my you know, for 362 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: a lot of my swims, pretty much probably for ten years, 363 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: I used a particular energy bar that I sawced out 364 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: of Canada that taps into your body fat and gives 365 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 3: it to you as fuel. 366 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 4: And that worked. 367 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: Mean it's chocolate, and I would turn that into a powder. 368 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 3: Yeah I couldn't. They didn't actually have it as a 369 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: powderfum back in the early days, but they did then 370 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: turn it into a bit of a I'd grind it 371 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: up and then it'd be like a hot chocolate for me, 372 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: or lukewarm might have it in the cold water swims, 373 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: So cold water SOMs, you're going to want to be 374 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 3: having stuff that's warm, generally to make you feel better 375 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: on the inside. Hot water swims generally you know, cold drinks. 376 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: But for me that was my go to and herbal 377 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: tease that sort of thing, as well as bananas occasionally 378 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 3: mouthwash just shirensing salt water SIMS was really helpful because 379 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 3: your mouth becomes so salty that you actually can't taste 380 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 3: anything either, Like your throat and tongue just swells up. 381 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: And that's one of the things as well. 382 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: At further you go like you can't help but swallow 383 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: water during a rough crossing, so you start to get 384 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: an upset stomach, so that interferes again with what you're 385 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: able to keep down and also just the crew being 386 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: able to access you. I remember during Bastraight, I swim 387 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: mostly during the nighttime and the waves picked up. We 388 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: had three to four meter swells, and the crew found 389 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: it difficult just to sort of pass me my drinks 390 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: and food like, because a wave of just knock it 391 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: out of their hands, so we'd have to try again 392 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: and try again. So it became very frustrating even just 393 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: to get sustenance at some point. So all these little 394 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: things again, you know, it's where the mental game comes in. 395 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: It's so easy to get really overwhelmed and upset and 396 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: frustrated with what's going on, but you just have to 397 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: try and stay calm. 398 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: Did you find out anything. 399 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: I found out that there is a two point eight 400 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: percent increase in density with salt order, which sounds tiny, 401 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: but it's a game changer when you're swimming. Fun fact, though, 402 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: the deep the Dead Sea has a salinity so high 403 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: that it's twenty five percent denser than regular ocean water. 404 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can float on the top and read 405 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: a newspaper and yeah, I've seen pictures of people doing that. 406 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: It'd be terrible to swim in, but. 407 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: I'd be a world class swimmer in the Dead Sea. Hey, Tam, 408 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: do you know? Thanks TIV, feel free to ask a question, 409 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: tip or jump in, Tam, do you know so when 410 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: you're I mean, this would be a guestimate, but I'd 411 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: just be curious around calorie expenditure per hour when you're 412 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: in lock nest, because there's the thermogenic requirement of trying 413 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: to keep your fucking body warm, Like trying to maintain 414 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: body heat is a massive calorie burner. And then on 415 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: top of that, of course the swimming. Any idea how 416 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: many calories you were burning per hour in that swim 417 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: or any of your swims. 418 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: I have no idea how many calories I was burning, 419 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 3: but I can tell you that I lost ten kilos 420 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: during the swim. 421 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: You're in lockmans. Yeah, yeah, thank you. 422 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: Hang on, I'm writing that down. Think about think about that, everyone, 423 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: ten kilos and you were in the water for nine 424 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: hours and six minutes. I'm trying to yes, nine hours 425 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: and six hell everyone, so everyone head to lock nest. 426 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 5: There's your answer. 427 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: I got bucko zen pic. 428 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 4: Just swim in freezing water, dodge a few lockless monsters, 429 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 4: and gastric bypassed. 430 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: I wonder, I mean, I know, like obviously some of 431 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: that that weight loss would be water loss. But I mean, 432 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: this is a strange question. I probably shouldn't ask it, 433 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: but fuck it. But before you got in the water, right, 434 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: you were chubby obviously because you needed to be for 435 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: the like you had to gain all the fat for 436 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: functional and health reasons. Could could were you noticeably leaner 437 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: when you got out? Like did you? Did you? 438 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? 439 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? 440 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 3: Absolutely no, noticeably thinner? Same with Bastraight. I lost ten 441 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: kilos across bas straight as well, and I think I 442 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: lost eight across the English channel, so yeah, yeah, so 443 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 3: it varied, but yeah, it was pretty high up there 444 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: with calorie loss. 445 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, this podcast, this podcast could be called how 446 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: to Lose ten kilos in nine hours? 447 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 4: It could be or it could be called swim yourself, thin. 448 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: Yourself. So what's the hottest water or the warmest water 449 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: of swimming as competitively or as an event or as 450 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: a one of your challenges. 451 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I did this race in Greece in a 452 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: place called the Gulf of Toronaos, and the water temperature 453 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 3: there was twenty nine degrees salt water, and I actually 454 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: got hyppathermia. 455 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 4: By the time I came out. 456 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: I was so I literally came out I was so 457 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: sun burn because it was full summer in Greece. And 458 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: afterwards that night I started to violently shiver because I 459 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: was sumbern I had hypothemis, so I was like wrapping 460 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: myself in sleeping bags and all the warm clothes. So 461 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: it was the opposite effect, you know. I'd maintained my fluids, 462 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 3: but yeah, it was just so hot that I'd overheated. 463 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: And the other place where I'd swim in warm water 464 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: was the Murray. When I started swimming the length of 465 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: the Murray, I started up in Koreyng in the high country, 466 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: and it was only about nine or ten degrees in 467 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: the river. Because I was swimming in the snowmoult coming 468 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: down from Coosiosco. But sort of two months in I 469 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: crossed the border into South Australia. 470 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: We were about two thousand nearly two thousand k's. 471 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: You know, down the road, and Adelaide had like the 472 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: hottest summer on record for like twenty years, and it 473 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 3: was fifty five degrees in the shade, and it was 474 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: twenty nine degrees in the Murray River, and so swimming 475 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: in the river was it was like swimming in boiling 476 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: water too. It was really hard, and so I had 477 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 3: to space my swims out. Generally, i'd start really early 478 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 3: in the morning and swim sinner's sunrise and we had 479 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: light and we could see our way clear. I'd start 480 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: swimming for maybe three or four hours, and then we'd 481 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: rest during the main part of the day because of 482 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: just you know, the heat of the sun and the 483 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 3: risk of sunstroke as well. And then i'd start again 484 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: in the late the late afternoon and swim into the 485 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: evening until sunset. So yeah, yeah, different, different end of 486 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: the spectrum swimming. 487 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I asked this last time, but I 488 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: can't remember, so I'm sure our listeners can't remember. The 489 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: second part. I didn't the first part, I think I 490 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: did snakes in the Murray River, Yes, I think. Remind me. 491 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: Remind me about what was the You bumped into a few, 492 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: or you saw a few, or crew saw a few. 493 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, we had a few encounters of the reptilian kind. 494 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: Tigers and brown snakes are quite prevalent on the Mari, 495 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: and I guess if you're going there for a holiday, 496 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: you don't generally see them. So there was a couple 497 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: of factors that added to the number of snake sidings 498 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: that we had, and one of them was that the 499 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: river had been in drought for five years prior to 500 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: me starting my swim, and I actually thought that I 501 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: would be walking parts of it it was that dry. 502 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: But two weeks before I was due to start, we 503 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: had like really heavy downpaws and so much so that 504 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: the river was out of its banks, and the sees 505 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: advised me to postpone my swim by a week or 506 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: two until it sort of receded, and of course that 507 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: flushed out from the wetland areas as well a lot 508 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: more snakes and so Yeah, so a few times we 509 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: saw them. My crew the way that I had my 510 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: crew structures that I had a boat beside me, a 511 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: kayak paddler on the other side, and then another boat 512 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: which was my scout boat up ahead, and its job 513 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: was for them to look for snags and snakes and 514 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: then you know, obviously shout out. But it was really 515 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: scary for me because I had ear plugs in, you know, 516 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: to avoid getting ear infections. 517 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 4: And so, and the water was pretty muddy, and so. 518 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: I was really on edge quite a lot because I 519 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: was worried that I wouldn't hear, you know, the whistle 520 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 3: being blown if there was a snake, and a couple 521 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: of times, you know, I had to be evacuated extracted 522 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: out of the river pretty quickly because there was a 523 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: snake up ahead. 524 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 4: In fact, the first time my crew saw a snake. 525 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 3: They actually thought, oh, we'll run over it with the 526 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: IRB and of course then the snake actually disappeared under 527 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 3: the water and sort of popped up at the river banks. 528 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 3: We didn't realize that snakes can actually swim quite far 529 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: under the water, so. 530 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 4: That made me even more paranoid. 531 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, I'm swimming along, I can't 532 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 3: see underneath me and I touched something and I think 533 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: it's a snake, and particularly as I got further as well, 534 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: because I was getting more and more exhausted. I remember 535 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: being in South Australia again and I'd stop for a 536 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: bee and all of a sudden, I had this really sharp, 537 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: sort of like a sting on my back, and I thought. 538 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 4: And I started crying and screaming. 539 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 5: I said, I met you. 540 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 4: I was just delirious at. 541 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: That time, so hot, and my crew like pulled me 542 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: out of the water really quickly, zip down my wet 543 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 3: suit and there was a bee that had sort of 544 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 3: snuck its way. 545 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 546 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but because I, you know, immediately went to snake. 547 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: So was that was that paranoid about it? Because we'd 548 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: seen so many you know, when we were camping on 549 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: the side of the river bank, but also in the water. 550 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, some pretty scary moments with that, and also 551 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: with the snags, and I got concussed a couple of 552 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 3: times running into submerged logs as well. 553 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: So that was, yeah, you're always always on edge. 554 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: It was hard to relax and that that was probably 555 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: one of the most difficult parts of the swim. 556 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: Hell, I mean, this was never in doubt, but you're 557 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: so much braver than me. I mean, that was never 558 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: an issue. I mean, nobody doubted that, including me, but 559 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: I just thought i'd clear that up an. 560 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: I'm we've got it on public record, now keep this chick. 561 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: That's I mean, nobody's surprised by that. I would I'm 562 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: not even being funny. This is not even me being 563 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: funny for a gag. I would not fucking get in 564 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: the wa if they went, oh, by the way, there's 565 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: tiger snakes and brown snakes, I'll be like, fuck that 566 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: swim I'm jogging. I'm like, put me in a swimming 567 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: pool or something. My other question was speaking of dangerous 568 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Australian wildlife in the in the ocean. Of course, sharks 569 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: never an issue or some ever. 570 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of times, really yeah, yeah. 571 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: So probably the scariest one was when I did the 572 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: cook Straight from in New Zealand from the North to 573 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: the South Island, and I actually did the first crossing 574 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: and I had a really great swim and I broke 575 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: the world record, and then I planned to do a double. 576 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: So I turned around and I started swimming back again 577 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: to the North Island and I was only I'm going 578 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: to say less than a kilometer in and the tides 579 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: turned weather conditions started to deteriorate, and the crew said 580 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: to me, look, you know it's it's really becoming messy. 581 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: It's better to pull the pin now because it's just 582 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: not going to be an easy swim to get back. 583 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: So I sort of, you know, relented, and I swam 584 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: to the back of the boy and literally, as I 585 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: was climbing up the back ladder, like a three and 586 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: a half meter white pulled up right like you saw 587 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: the fin, like it just rose from the depths, and 588 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 3: it pulled up right where I was swimming, not like 589 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 3: fifteen seconds before. 590 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 4: And the thing about this was that I was actually. 591 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: Consented because you know, I always worry about sharks. And 592 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: I had said to the old and I of the 593 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: swim because there's a cook Straight Swimming Association, and I'd 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: said to the organizer, hey, like, you know, what's the 595 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: precautions with sharks here and so do you use a 596 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: cage or what's the go And he said, no, no, 597 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 3: don't need to worry about sharks. 598 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 4: You know, we never have an issue with them. 599 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: They get scared off by the noise of the engine, 600 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: so you know, don't panic, It's all going to be fine. So, 601 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: of course, as this shark pulls up and I'm climbing 602 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: up the back of the boat. I straight away grab 603 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: the organizer knows it to. 604 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 4: So what's wrong with this shark then? Is he deaf 605 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 4: or something? 606 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 5: I was like, you know, like that could have been me. 607 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: So it was one of those moments it was meant 608 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: to be that I got out of it. 609 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Just at that time just kind of just point out 610 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: that three and a half meters is about twelve foot. 611 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that is that is a very big I mean, 612 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: that's a that's going to bite you in half shark. 613 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 4: Like yeah. 614 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, when you swim from one island 615 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: to the next in New Zealand, like did you have 616 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: north south South North? 617 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 5: I can't remember, I went north south. 618 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So you swim from North Island to the South 619 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Island and you break the world record. What you do 620 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: then is tam you go fuck, I'm good, and you 621 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: get in the car and buger off. You don't turn 622 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: around and go I'm going to swim back. 623 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 5: But yeah, that was the big part of it. 624 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: I was looking forward to doing my tumble turn at 625 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: the end and then you. 626 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: Know, actually it was a scary finish to you because 627 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: as I arrived in the South Island, you know, arrive 628 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: just sort of just a bit up the coast from 629 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: Picton and it's pretty much a sheer cliff face and 630 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: there's rocks jutting out of the water, but there's huge 631 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 3: kelp and you have to swim through the kelp and 632 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: to physically but for them to stop the clock, you 633 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: actually have to physically have your whole body out of 634 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 3: the water. 635 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 4: So I had to find a rock to climb. 636 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 3: On, and of course, yeah, yeah, it was not rock 637 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: climbing is not my thing. And late after you've been 638 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 3: like you know, going flat chat in the water for 639 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: you know, six seven hours and then like making my 640 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: way through the kelp was really frightening because that was 641 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 3: the scariest part. 642 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 4: So it was just was really big, like swimming through 643 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 4: the kelp to find a place to stop. 644 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, can I ask after, Well, yeah, you can 645 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: ask because you've got a podcast and that's what you do, 646 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: so you don't need to ask. If you can ask, 647 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: you if fucking just ask. All right, thanks, Hey, everyone, 648 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: just chatting myself. I'll be back in a moment and 649 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: now back to the show. I'm just going to ask 650 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: when you finished all the swimming, all the training, all 651 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: the competing, and all the vast amount of energy expenditure. 652 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: Did you have to really be super duper careful about 653 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, diet, and because I would imagine if you 654 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: kept your calories anywhere in the same ballpark, that wouldn't 655 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: have ended well, are you right? 656 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, one hundred percent, spot on. 657 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: I had to really think about what I was eating 658 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: because swimming, I think when you're a swimmer anyway, you 659 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 3: tend to eat a lot more. 660 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 4: I think because your body temperate. 661 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: You're in water, which is generally lower than your body temperature, 662 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: so it stimulates your appetite, not like runners, where you 663 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 3: tend to I guess burn more and you tend to 664 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 3: be as hungry after. 665 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: A big run. 666 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 3: But you know, when you've been doing lots of swimming, 667 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: you just work up such an appetite. So I was 668 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: lucky that my body kind of adjusted so I didn't 669 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: feel the need to eat as much. But you know, look, 670 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: I had to be careful as well. But for a 671 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: long time, even though I wasn't doing the marathons, I 672 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: was still doing, you know, a bit of training because 673 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: I love it. 674 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 4: I'm a bit addicted to the training. 675 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 3: The training is the part I really love more than 676 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 3: the competition side of things. I just, you know, I 677 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: really enjoy being part of the squad and just that 678 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: feeling of, you know, being fit. 679 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 4: It's a great thing. 680 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: And I know that I perform a bitter mentally during 681 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 3: the day if I've done some exercise. 682 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 4: So it's always been a big part of my life. 683 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you've got to ask someone to a question, 684 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: you think, fuck, I don't know if I should ask 685 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: this question because this person who I'm talking to might 686 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: like this person or might not like this person. And 687 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: the person that I'm currently talking to is very polite. 688 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: So anyway, there's a dude that's always coming into my feed. 689 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 5: And his I don't know. 690 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: I think he's probably the highest profile distant swimmer in 691 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: the world. His name's Ross Edgeley. 692 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about him. Yeah, yah, yeah, 693 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 4: I've been following too. 694 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: Have you ever, Tiff, have you seen this dude? Right, 695 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: He's been like fucking soup. You look at him, it's 696 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: like this guy's a bodybuilder. He's not Ross Edgeley. Now, 697 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: all of our listeners are going by the way, ladies 698 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: and some of the blokes you will not be disappointed. 699 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: You will not. 700 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 5: I'm not disappointed. 701 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm a straight man, and I'm like, I'd probably spoon 702 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: that motherfucker, no problems. We've got some popcorns and Netflix. 703 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: I'd be pretty happy that dude, what do you think 704 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: he's ripped and he seems he's he's swimming in the 705 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: next week or two or three and one thousand miles 706 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: around down Tactic or or something ridiculous. 707 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be interested to see and to follow that 708 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: from about how he's like, you know, how he's prepared 709 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 3: for that. But I mean, look, he's done a lot 710 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: of big swims, he's done a lot of cold water swims, 711 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: so he knows what he's in for. And I do 712 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 3: believe he's an exercise physiologist as well, so he's got 713 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: the science. 714 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 4: You know, he's very knowledgeable. 715 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: So I imagine he'll be super prepared and I've done 716 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 3: a lot of work for that, and it'll be interesting 717 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: to see how he goes mentally. Is really strong, and yeah, 718 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 3: it's great. 719 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 4: It's great to see. 720 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 3: Events like that where people are just you know, pushing 721 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: the boundaries of human endurance in different ways, and especially 722 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: in that cold water is going to be excruciating. 723 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, imagine he's going to be doing very 724 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 4: short stints. 725 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot of short swims because 726 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 3: he wouldn't want to be in the water for too long, 727 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 3: obviously risking hypodermic, but also just the energy deficit, like 728 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 3: you know, because it makes you so tired, Like you 729 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: come out and you are so tired. 730 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 4: So I think the recovery is going to be really important. 731 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 3: But obviously, again he would have been doing a lot 732 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 3: of training and practicing and understanding those components of it 733 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 3: and have it all together and have a pretty awesome 734 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 3: support crew. I think he's going to have to have 735 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: a pretty heavy duty medical team traveling, and he'll probably 736 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: have a. 737 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if he. 738 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: Has like an internal temperature age, if some sort inserted 739 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 3: so that his support or he can monitor what his 740 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 3: core temperature is at all times, so that if it 741 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 3: drops too low that they can just extract him. 742 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 743 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: I was pretty happy with that until you got to 744 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: the word inserted. 745 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 2: Yes, well to what do you think, well, between Bailey 746 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 2: Smith yesterday and Ross Edgeley today, my insta feed is 747 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: going to be cracking. 748 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, she didn't know how she didn't know who 749 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: Bailey Smith was. He's an AFL player. She's now very 750 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: happy with him. I don't think it hurts to have 751 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: a bit of eye candy coming up in your feed tip. 752 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: I look very delightful. Everyone give him a follow apparently 753 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm the last person on earth to follow him, though 754 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: he's already got a million. 755 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, good on him. Hey, Sam, we'll wind up, but 756 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: just quickly. The last few years haven't been a lot 757 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: of fun for you. How are you has your health? 758 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: How are you tracking? Do you need a hug from harps? 759 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: What's the update? 760 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 3: I always can do with a hug, you know, that's 761 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: a very important thing. 762 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 4: But no, look, thank you for asking. I'm doing well. 763 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: And yes, I celebrated two years post breast cancer treatment 764 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 3: last week. 765 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, that. 766 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 3: Was an endurance journey of a different kind, and I guess, 767 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 3: you know, it was something that was unexpected that I 768 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 3: hadn't prepared for, you know, a lot of uncertainty. So 769 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 3: I used a lot of the mental strategies that you know, 770 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 3: went into the marathon seeming side of things to sort 771 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 3: of get me through treatment. But it was a very 772 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: very different experience, you know, in terms of being thrown 773 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 3: in the deep end, I guess you could say, because 774 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: I said, you know, I didn't know what to expect, 775 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: whereas at least with the marathons whom I've trained for it, 776 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: I'm prepared. I understand what the variables are. But you know, 777 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 3: when you are diagnosed with something like cancer, it's a 778 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 3: it's a totally different journey to go through. But I'm 779 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 3: happy to say that I'm doing really really well, and yeah, 780 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 3: and I've learned a lot of things, and it's you know, 781 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 3: you come out the other side, and there's. 782 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 4: Always through the hard stuff. 783 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 3: There's always learnings and growth, and I think, you know, 784 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 3: you might not see it when you're in the midst 785 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 3: of it, and this. 786 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 4: Bloody sucks, but you know, it does change you. 787 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 3: And I think for me it's been being actually a 788 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: real positive because I've sort of thought about I guess 789 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 3: my health a. 790 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 4: Little bit more as well. 791 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 3: Like you know, it just changes your outlook on life 792 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 3: a little bit and gives you a lot more empathy 793 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 3: for what other people are going through. And I think, 794 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes we get so busy that we don't 795 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 3: realize everybody else is going through lots of stuff. As well, 796 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 3: so it's made me a bit more tolerant. So yeah, 797 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: it's yeah, through bad things you get good things too. 798 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 4: But no, I'm doing well well. 799 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: You deserve all the good things from the day that 800 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: I met you, which was I don't know, thirty years 801 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: ago or something until you've. 802 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 5: Got it thirty years ago, dude, it was. 803 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I still can't believe. My 804 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 3: brain doesn't want to accept that. I feel like that 805 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 3: long ago that was walking in the doors of Harper's 806 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 3: and you know, having a time of a life. 807 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 4: Being smad. 808 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to try with a maniac. Hey, Tim, you're great, 809 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: we love you. How can people find you? I know 810 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: you do a lot of speaking. If you need somebody 811 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: who's going to blow your socks off with your organization 812 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: or your team, or your club or your school. I've 813 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: heard Tammy speak many times. She's world class, She's fucking amazing. 814 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: So at the very least have a chat with her. 815 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: How do people connect with you and follow you and 816 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: get you on board. 817 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 3: So they can find me on LinkedIn? Just under Tammy 818 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 3: Van with the same with Instagram. They are two easy 819 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: ways to connect. And my website is also just Tammy 820 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 3: Vanwisa dot com. 821 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, tam Well, say goodbye fair but love your guts. 822 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for introducing Tiff to Ross Edgeley 823 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: as well. Maybe I did that, but she's going to 824 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: be hard crushed and we'll talk again because you bo. 825 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 4: Thank you,