1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Bill, Welcome back to the You project, my friend, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: how are you? 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Craig, how about yourself? 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: I know I am very good, very good. I tell 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: you what. As somebody who has done a little bit 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: of TV, or in Australia we call it telly, a 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: little bit of telly over the years, I used to 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: work on a show here and I used to do 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: a weekly gig. I'm pretty impressed by your TV skills. 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: I watched you recently talking about what we're going to 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: talk about today. But do you like doing TV? Do 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: you do you get stressed? Do you feel comfortable? How 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: do you go with it? 14 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: I usually don't get stressed or feel uncomfortable. The major 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: challenge I face is trying to condense a huge amount 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: of information into a very short period of time, because 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: in contrast to like writing or doing podcasts like yours, 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: I'm given three maybe five minutes tops, and there's way 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: too much information to pack in to that. So a 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: lot of great stuff doesn't get said, and I always 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: feel like I forgot something important. But as far as 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: nerves and stuff go, at least I don't have that. 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the ever present challenge of that kind 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: of media because you are trying to distill mountains of information, 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: and you know, you and I said to you before 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: we started a minute ago, let's like keep this to 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes. Now, thirty minutes for you and I 28 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: as a brief chat. But in the context of television, 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: that's forever. 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you'd have to be a megastar to get 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: thirty minutes of airtime on the Telly. 32 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I used to Sometimes 33 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: we'd we'd go I'd go in and we'd be talking 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: about something, you know, significant, like you know, body dysmorphia, bodage, 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: body image, eating disorders, you know, all like this is 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: complex and big, and you'd have yeah, like you said, 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: five minutes, and there'd be time for by the time 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: I answer that question, you know, I question one, and 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: then I talk a bit, then question two, and there 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: might be three or four questions, and then it's like, Craig, 41 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: it's always great having you coming up next, you know, 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, well, we it's over. We 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: didn't actually talk about anything, but thanks. 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. You always want to circle back to something, 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: and that actually sometimes, especially when you're doing stuff like 46 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: I do in terms of like health and medicine. Sometimes 47 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: you leave out some really important information or caveats that 48 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: they just don't give airtime for. So that is a 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: real challenge and I think it sometimes does the public 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: at disservice. 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other part of it too is apart 52 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: from the brevity, is the fact that you're trying to 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: distill science and research and you know, daughter and blah 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: blah blah in a way that you know, the average 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: person sitting in their lounge eating their chicken palmesana and 56 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: their fries can distill an on all their breakfast or 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be, can actually understand. 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: Dinner time here, man, you're making me hungry. 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, dude, Then in a way that they can 60 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: understand what you're talking about and then maybe even better 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: operationalize that information to get some kind of benefit exactly exactly. 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: It takes a little time to process and stuff. I 63 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: get their side of the coin too. They have to 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: pack in a huge amount of news in just like 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: thirty minutes, and human attention span is shrinking and shrinking 66 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: decade by decade, and now it's to the point where 67 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: even like a ten minute segment for some people it 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 2: feels like that goes on forever, and like you said, 69 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: like a thirty or sixty minute chat with you, for 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: some of these people who are used to three to 71 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: five minutes snippet, this might seem like an eternity. So yeah, exactly, 72 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: it's a little worrisome that the attention span is drinking 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: so much, and I'm not quite sure that it is 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: good for our mental health moving forward. 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: I think because there's a there's just an overload of 76 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: available stimuli in the media social media space. You know, 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: there's like even I that was arrogant, even I doctor Bill, 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: even I, who's clearly a genius. I can go, yeah, 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: I can go down the Instagram rabbit hole for five minutes, 80 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: and now I look up, it's actually been thirty minutes 81 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: and I'm just looking at bullshit for thirty minutes. I'm like, yeah, okay, 82 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: so I'm not clever at all, and they've figured me out. 83 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: The algorithm has got the better of me. 84 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, it knows us better than we know ourselves. 85 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: Oh, Socrates would be rolling in his grave. 86 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: I tell you, there was a there was a song. 87 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: You mean you mean that you probably know the group 88 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: Duran Duran right big down Under two. They had a 89 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: song called too Much Information that was released in the 90 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: early nineties before the Internet was even a thing. So 91 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, you know, if they thought there was too 92 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: much information in the world even before the Internet, what 93 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: they must think now, because, like you said, there's just 94 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: so much stuff out there, and our minds simply aren't 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: wired to absorb and receive all this information. It just 96 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: not built that way. You know. We're a you know, 97 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: a primate species that's used to sitting around a campfire 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: and telling stories about no more than like one hundred 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: different people. That's how we evolved for millennia. So to 100 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: ask us to be able to manage the extraordinary amount 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: of information that's out there right now is just a 102 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: herculean task. And I think a lot of people stress 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: themselves out because they don't get to all the information 104 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: that's there. And we shouldn't be doing that, you know, 105 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: we just should be acknowledging our limitations and trained to 106 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: actually cut back on all the different types of media 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: we absorb, with exception, of course, of the U Project podcast. 108 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Which has been proven clinically to be life extending, an 109 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: immune system supportive, and a myriad of other benefits. I'm 110 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: pretty sure about the science. I couldn't quote you, but 111 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. 112 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I read studies to that effect too. Man. 113 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: But then, also, apart from the overload, doc is also 114 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: the how does the average punter, and I call me 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: an average punter delineate differentiate between the information, the misinformation, 116 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: the science, the pseudoscience, the actual research based psychology, the 117 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: pop psychology, because it all kind of can look and 118 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: feel and sound the same, and you don't know what 119 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: is real and what is essentially fear mongering, what is pseudoscience, 120 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: what is perhaps marketing and branding to sell you something. 121 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: It's getting harder and harder every day because with the 122 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: ability to manufacture photo and video, and there's a lot 123 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: of jokes in satire that go viral before people realize, oh, 124 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: that was a joke, that's not real. We've got to 125 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: be very careful about trusting the information we have. So 126 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: my advice in that regard is to simply identify reliable 127 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: sources that you can count on, that are accredited or 128 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: have some kind of expert analysis, that have been around 129 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: for a long period of time, maybe who have been 130 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: audited or reviewed by a third party that says, yes, 131 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: this is a legitimate news source. That's what you have 132 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: to rely on, and even they sometimes will get it wrong. 133 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: So everything you hear, it's nice to validate it through 134 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: an independent source. 135 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely all right, So let's get to our 136 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: topic at hand, he says, as he picks up his iPhone. 137 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: That's clearly germ laden. So you did you sent me 138 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: a couple of ur Well, you sent me an interview 139 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: that I watched in an article that was written by 140 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: Jasmine Cheers. I think her name is Indiana Health. Recently, 141 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: both good interviews. The TV show needs to give you 142 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: more air time. I'll let them know. But around I 143 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: think the name of the hang on, I'll find it. 144 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: I've got it. I've got it. Keeping your phone clean 145 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: can help present prevent you from getting sick. So I've 146 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: written two working titles for today's episode. One is called 147 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: one is called Texting on the Crapper and Other Great 148 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: bark Pastimes, and the other one is called the Perils 149 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: of Pooh Scrolling. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure 150 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: what I'm going to go with. It depends on the conversation. 151 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: But let's open the door doc. 152 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: You know, I can't wait to put that title on 153 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: my website. That's just going to be wonderful. 154 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you could maybe do a paper on that, 155 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: the perils of post scrolling. I feel like it's going 156 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: to get both academic and media attention. 157 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: Well, well, this story about germs on our cell phone 158 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: comes up every now and then whenever another news study 159 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: kind of confirms the same thing or finds a new 160 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: type of germ on the phone that hasn't been reported before, 161 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: you see this. You know, you know, this information gets 162 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 2: circulated through the major news channels time and time again, 163 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: but it is It is a good reminder to folks 164 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: because I think we take a lot for granted when 165 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: it comes to our phone and we don't recognize it 166 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: as a potential germ spreading device. And especially you know, 167 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: if you have young kids or other people might use 168 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: your and then you're using it, that's when a lot 169 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: of nasty germs can get spread around. So the way 170 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: this another headline that you might want to consider for 171 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: the title of this particular episode, Craig. One of the 172 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: lovely analogies that someone made is that your cell phone 173 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: actually has more germs on it than your average toilet seat. 174 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: And that's that's science right there. That's a demonstrable fact. 175 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: Of course, it depends on the toilet seat you're looking at. 176 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: But I think what they were going after is that 177 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: there's a wider diversity of germs on your phone than 178 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: you would find, say, in a restroom. And we can 179 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: talk about some of those different types of germs that 180 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: scientists have cultivated off the phones. And I'll stay right 181 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: up front, this is not to start a panic or 182 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: to get people paranoid about using their phones. Just because 183 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: researchers can cultivate certain germs off the phone doesn't necessarily 184 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: mean they're making people sick on a wide scale. It 185 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: means the potential is there, and the science that shows 186 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: these germs are present on the phone is good. You know, 187 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: it's been shown multiple times, not through just like a 188 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: one off study or one laboratory. A study came out 189 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty that looked at all the cell phone 190 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: analyzes and it looked at them collectively. It was composed 191 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: of like somewhere north of fifty different studies in twenty 192 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: four different countries, and they're all finding the same things. 193 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: Our cell phones are filthy, and they contain these microscopic 194 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: germs that we can't see, and they could be making 195 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: us sick. And the could be making us sick. Is 196 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: important to emphasize because there's a lot fewer studies that 197 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: actually show the germs on the phone can make people sick. 198 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: But since the potential is there, I think it's worth 199 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: talking about. It's worth letting people know because they're simple 200 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: precautions you can take just in case you're worried about 201 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: getting sick from germs on your phone. 202 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: You'd be very proud of me. I had to look 203 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: at that scoping review. There's a lot of authors on 204 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: that paper, and it's yeah, I think you're right, like 205 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: correlation is not necessarily you know, causation. But and also 206 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: the thing, it's really about awareness, not panic. You know. 207 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: It's like, well, so this is happening, just so you know, 208 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: you don't need to run around now and be stressed, 209 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: but just so that you're aware this is I think also, 210 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: like I'm looking at my phone, which is just a 211 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: run of the mill bread and butter iPhone fourteen. 212 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: Well, I can see the germs on it from here. 213 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look at it. 214 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that is just crawling 215 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: with germs. Yeah, it's where have you been, Craig. 216 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: It's like a bloody science experiment all by yourself. But 217 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: I think the beauty of these is that because it's 218 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: just a clean glass surface compared to you know, not 219 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: long ago we had all the phones with all the 220 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: buttons and all the kind of crevices and nooks and 221 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: crannies that I guess dirt and scum and whatever could 222 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: get caught in. So I don't know. My guess would 223 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: be that these would be less of a risk than 224 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: something with a lot of moving parts and kind of buttons. 225 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be right about that. But some of 226 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: the types of bacteria, for example, that they've cultured off 227 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: the phone, and I can elaborate on what those germs 228 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: are exactly. They can form these substances called biofilms. And 229 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: again these are still still microscopic. You can't see them, 230 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: you can't feel them, but they can actually settle on 231 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: any smooth surface. It doesn't necessarily need to have texture 232 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: or ridges. You know that the germs can hide in. 233 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 2: They can form on flat surfaces, and depending on the 234 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: nature of the germ, some last longer out in the 235 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 2: atmosphere than others, you know, and they can be transmissible. 236 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: They'll get onto your phone, which get onto your finger. 237 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: You put your finger into your mouth when you're eating 238 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: or something like that, and there's the potential for germs 239 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: to get inside your body that way. 240 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny you said that because I put 241 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: my phone down, and you can say this, my listeners can't. 242 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: But then I went like. 243 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: This where I've literally I'm resting my elbows on the 244 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: desk and then I've got my face my lips pressed 245 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: up against my prayer hands while I'm concentrating on you. 246 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: And as that was coming out of your mouth, I'm like, yep, 247 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: well I'm doing that right now. It is funny, how 248 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: for great? 249 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 250 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do it unconsciously, that's right. 251 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: I forget the exact number, but there were studies that 252 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: monitored how many times a day people would just naturally 253 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: touch their face and it's ridiculously hot. I forget what 254 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: the exact amount is, but you just illustrated perfectly what 255 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: most people do every day. You use the phone, sometimes 256 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: on the toilet, and then bam, you know, you're picking 257 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: picking your ear, You're rubbing your eye, picking your ear, 258 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: picking your nose whatever. The point is, those dirty fingers 259 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: go right up to your face more often than not. 260 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: It's so funny because when we think about, you know, 261 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: personal health management, we don't think about how often do 262 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: I clean my phone? You know, that's not a question 263 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: that's ever asked. Yeah, that's not a question that's asked 264 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: in any medical consult So tell me, Brian, how often 265 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: do you clean that phone that's there on the desk? 266 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm glad this is why you wanted to 267 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: talk about the subject, because it's one that most people 268 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: don't give any thought to, you know, like you, they 269 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: think that phone is a pretty smooth surface these days, 270 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: and you know, probably doesn't have a lot of germs 271 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: on it. But according to these studies, it actually does. 272 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: And it's not too surprising if you give it a 273 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: little more deeper thought because we take these things everywhere 274 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: we go. They're always with us, almost like an attached limb, right, 275 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: and we rarely give any thought to cleaning them. Nor 276 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: do we wash our hands after we use the phone. 277 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: You know, we will go right from phone usage to 278 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: eating or putting on makeup or something like that, and 279 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: without washing our hands in between, and that just you know, 280 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: if these studies are right and there's a lot of 281 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: germs on the phone, that could be one of the 282 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: reasons why you might get sick and say, how did 283 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: that happen? I wasn't around sick people. I don't know 284 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: how I got sick. Well, now the phone can be 285 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,359 Speaker 2: one of the possibilities. 286 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: When I read the article this morning earlier, I went 287 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: into my bathroom. So I have a thing. This is 288 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: a side note, but I have a thing called pernicious anemia. 289 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: So I need to inject a vitamin B twelve about 290 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: once a week. And part of that is little medical 291 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: swabs swab things, you know, where you wipe the skin 292 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: and then you inject and then you wipe it and 293 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: then you whatever. So I've got a bunch of those. 294 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: And I took my phone out of the case and 295 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: cleaned it within an inch of its life with a 296 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: medical swab, So for at least a solid three minutes 297 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: it was super clean. 298 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it probably would have been much cleaner 299 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: after that. 300 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what should we use to clean it? Like, 301 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: what's actually for people listening to this now, who go, well, 302 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: I don't have those at my joint. What is effective. 303 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: What's a good cleaning, whatever compound. 304 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: A good way to I mean, there's multiple different types 305 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: of germs on the phone. There's going to be viruses, 306 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: there's going to be bacteria, and we should talk about 307 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: the just so people have a better idea as to 308 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: exactly what types of things we're dealing with. And even 309 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: in some of the studies they found fungal spores like Candida, 310 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: which can cause yeast infections. Find all of those on 311 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: these phones, but all of them can be wiped out 312 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: with an alcohol based disinfectant wipe. So I assume they 313 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: sell these in Australia as well. They easy to come 314 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: by in the States, and they're just like single use wipes. 315 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: You take them out of the pack your phone, give 316 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: your phone a good rub down with one of those. 317 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: It'll smell a little ALCOHOLI that's just fine, But that 318 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: will disinfect your phone really well and it won't damage 319 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: the electronics. And if you're looking for other ways to 320 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 2: do it, I would consult the manufacturer's instructions because you 321 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: do want to make sure whatever you're using doesn't damage 322 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: the device itself. I read the chlorox disinfectant wipes are 323 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: also good as long as they don't have bleach. Bleaches 324 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: too corrosive and that can start to damage the finish 325 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: that is on some of the phones. The last thing 326 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: you want to do is like submerge it in like 327 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: a soap and water bath or use you know, like 328 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: too much alcohol on it. The wipes are they can 329 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: they're not saturated with the alcohol, disinfect that they have 330 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: just enough to kill the germs and clean off something 331 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: small like an iPhone or even an iPad and then 332 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: you can throw them right away. You can do multiple 333 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 2: devices with a single wipe as well, you know, if 334 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: you want to conserve. Yeah, but that all goes with 335 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: all those different types of germs. 336 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: Well, one of those one of the good things to 337 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: come out of the pandemic, if I can say there 338 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: was a good thing but anyway, was in you know, 339 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: in Australia. We've spoken about this briefly, but the gyms 340 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: were closed for nearly a year, like it was lo 341 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: down anyway. As somebody who trains every day, that was 342 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: somewhat distressing, but enough about my emotional and psychological issues 343 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: and addictions. Anyway, one of the good things to come 344 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: out of it was that in well, the gym I 345 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: train at anyway, they have these wipes that get pulled 346 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: out of like a dispenser doctor bill. They're about the 347 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: size of a tissue I guess a kleenex, and they're wet, 348 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: they're kind of all they're dampish, and they are I 349 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: think they're alcohol based, and they're used for cleaning. And 350 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, because gyms are breeding grounds for everything, and 351 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: you think about how many times a day you know, 352 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: like a barbell, a bar that sits on a bench press. 353 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: There's not often when I like the gym that I 354 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: train at, there's only two free weeight bench presses. You know, 355 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: there's pinloaded, there's other things, but in those bench presses 356 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: with a bar bell on it, they are never not used. 357 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: Like it's that that bar would get touched hundreds of 358 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: times a day by hundreds of people, most of whom 359 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: don't wipe the bar down after they're finished or wipe 360 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: their hands. Some do, but most don't. Yeah, there's I mean, 361 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: talk about an environment with a million surfaces with a 362 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: trillion bugs. 363 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just sounds like a golden opportunity for some 364 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 2: of these germs to get into people and spread around. 365 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: And I'm sure you've also observed people going to the 366 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: gym when they're obviously sick or still struggling with something. 367 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: You know, they're still getting over some illness, but they're 368 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: there and they're probably transmitting these germs. 369 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: And you think about we're all in a room where 370 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: the door closed and everyone's breathing heavier and harder than normal. 371 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: You know, the gym is not the only place of 372 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: all places, you know, I've been to microbiology lectures where 373 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: there's someone sitting there coughing through the whole damn thing, 374 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: or you know, sneezing like crazy, just a couple of 375 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: seats down for you. And I'm like, you're at a 376 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: microbiology lecture talking about germs, and here you are spreading 377 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: yours all around, And I just like, man, So it's 378 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: certainly not limited to the gym, and everyone should just 379 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 2: kind of be a little more considerate of other people. 380 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: If you are actively sick and having symptoms, you shouldn't 381 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: be going out in public if you can avoid it. 382 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is that is ro any being in 383 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: that audience. 384 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: Just tell me about it. Yeah, it's like that is 385 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: the epitome of you know, bad human nature. 386 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: So there's also and again this is a question not 387 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: an assertion, but there's an idea that exposure to bacteria, viruses, fungi, 388 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: and other micro organisms ply a role in developing a 389 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: level of immunity or strengthening the immune system. What's that? 390 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: Do we have any idea around because I'm thinking someone 391 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: raised in a completely sanitary environment, which can't really happen, 392 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: but that's not going to be great for us, say that. 393 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: Is there any kind of thinking around that. 394 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: What you're describing sounds like the hygiene hypothesis, And this 395 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: is an idea that, especially during our younger years, when 396 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: we're still developing, we need to be exposed to a 397 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: certain amount of germs in order to educate our immune 398 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: system how to fight these germs off later on. And 399 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: a lot of these studies emerged out of the observations 400 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: that people in cities usually have a lot more allergies 401 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: and stuff than people who are raised on farms. And 402 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: the idea was the people who are raised on farms 403 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: are exposed to a lot more germs, okay than people 404 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: in cities perhaps, And I'm not sure that's entirely true. 405 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: You know, with the number of people in cities, I'm 406 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: not sure they control accurately for transmissibility from human to human. 407 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: But the argument goes that we get a lot of illnesses, 408 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: a lot of bugs from animals and you know, maybe 409 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: the outdoor environment. So I think this hypothesis is intriguing, 410 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: but there's really no evidence to back it up. There's 411 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: a lot of correlations. At the moment. I would not 412 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: advise people going out and getting sick on purpose just 413 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: to build up your immunity. You know, you want to 414 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: avoid getting sick, you know, because some of these things 415 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: can be very dangerous, and every time we have to 416 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: pull out the antibiotics from the medicine cabinet, there's a 417 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: chance that these bugs can gain resistance to that, and 418 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: that's not good for society at large. Need to be 419 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: very very careful about being laxadaisical about illnesses because the 420 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: medicines we have in most cases are still great, but 421 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: they're very precious, and these bugs can evolve resistance to them, 422 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: and that gets pretty scary, and that makes me want 423 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: to circle back to some of the bacteria that scientists 424 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: have in fact found on phones. So and this is 425 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 2: where it gets a little concerning for me. When I 426 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: read that they can culture a bacteria called staphylococcus off 427 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: of phones. I was like, that's no big deal. Staphylococcus 428 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: is a very common bacteria, usually harmless, and it's on 429 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: everybody's skin. The only time it really becomes a problem 430 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: is if that staphylococcus gets inside of a cut, and 431 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: then you could get a wound infection. But there's a 432 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: type of Staffolo caucus that you've probably heard of and 433 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: many of your listeners probably heard of, called MRSA, and 434 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: MRSA is a type of staphylococcus that is highly resistant 435 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: to antibiotics and it becomes very difficult to treat. It 436 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: can lead to a life threatening infection, and a lot 437 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 2: of these studies surprisingly cultivated the MRSA version of staphylococcus 438 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: off of people's phones. I suspect that might have happened 439 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: for people who might have gone to the off the 440 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: doctor's office or the hospital or some kind of medical 441 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 2: care facility where there's a lot more MERSA than the 442 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: general environment. And that leads me to one of the 443 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: other precautions that people should take is don't use your 444 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: phone if you don't have to in a doctor's office 445 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: or a hospital setting. Those areas have a lot more 446 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: germs inside because there's a lot more sick people there, 447 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: So I would be a little extra careful about using 448 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: or keeping my phone clean if it's been in some 449 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: kind of medical facility. Other bacteria they find on the 450 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: phones are Streptococcus, which causes strep throat, And that's a 451 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 2: little bit alarming because a lot of people still hold 452 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: their phone right up to their face when they talk, 453 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: when they have a conversation, and if you got streptococcus 454 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: on that phone, it could easily get too close to 455 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 2: your mouth and you can maybe get it back there 456 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: and get strep throat. And then of course there's the 457 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: really unpleasant ones. But some of the most common ones 458 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: that are found on phone and not surprising, the fecal bacteria, Okay, 459 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: E Coli Anerococcus. A lot of people have a bad 460 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: habit of using their phone in the restroom, Craig, I 461 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: see you're blushing right now. 462 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: Who would not people do that? Is that a thing? 463 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: Apparently it's very common. But E Coli and Innerococcus, these 464 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: fecal bacteria are not something you want on your phone 465 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: because if they do get into your body, that's going 466 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: to cause you some really unpleasant gastro intestinal illness. Okay, 467 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: you were talking about gnawedge of vomiting direa, the whole works, 468 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: so you want to avoid that, another really unpleasant one. 469 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: We're leaving bacteria and going to viruses. Now. One of 470 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 2: the more common viruses that are found on phones is neurovirus. Now, 471 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: neurovirus is alarming, and it's usually associated with the cruise ships. 472 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: You know, when everybody on board catches neurovirus, everyone on 473 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 2: board is rushing to the toilet because they got diarrhea. 474 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: It's a really unpleasant illness and there's really no good treatment. 475 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: But the good news is it goes away in a 476 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: couple of days. But like any diarrheal disease, the main 477 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: danger is dehydration. If people can't put in liquids quick 478 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: enough or hold them down, you could get dehydrated to 479 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: a point where you need to go to the hospital. 480 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: So it can get dangerous, and it's particularly dangerous for 481 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: the very young, the very old, people with pre existing conditions, 482 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: and anyone who's immune compromised. If you fall into any 483 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: of those groups, you're even more vulnerable than a normal 484 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: healthy adult, so you should take extra special care. So 485 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: neuoravirus is also alarming because it's one of these bugs 486 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: that is stable for a long period of time. A 487 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: lot of these germs that we're talking about, they don't 488 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: survive in the atmosphere very long. Okay, fungal spores can, 489 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: some bacteria can, but neurovirus can survive for weeks on 490 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: the surface of your phone. So there's a high chance 491 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: if it's on your phone that it could get into 492 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: your body or into the body of someone else who 493 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: might use your phone, and then, like I said, you're 494 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: going to get a really unpleasant gastro intestinal illness. Other 495 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: viruses on the phone include respiratory ones. They can cause 496 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: pneumonia or the flu, So you want to, you know, 497 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: be careful of that, especially at the height of flu season. 498 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: Maybe you want to keep your phone a little extra 499 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: clean during that time too. 500 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Hm. Wow. So one of the takeaways today everyone is 501 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: you're better off to press your face up against a 502 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: toilet seat than a phone. 503 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: Of the episode right there. 504 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's doctor doctor Bill's advice. 505 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: He's sign my name to that one, but. 506 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: He's not suggesting you do either. But what he has 507 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: said statistically, kiss your toilet that's what he said. No 508 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: he didn't. You know. One as we're winding up, one 509 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: thing I think about Doc and I have maybe I 510 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a I don't have a phobia, 511 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: but maybe I have an issue. I'm always aware when 512 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: I walk into restaurants, cafes, wherever, hotels, wherever I'm going, 513 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: how many hands have been on the handle I'm about 514 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: to touch, sure, you know. And so if there's a 515 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: way where I can get in without touching, you know, 516 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: like I'll just push the If it's something that you 517 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: just push to open, I'll push up higher or lower 518 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: than the handle. Or sometimes if I'm wearing a hoodie 519 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, I'll pull my sleeve down. So and I 520 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: think about that, especially when I wonder if anyone else 521 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: thinks to this stupid shit. But I think, Okay, so 522 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: I've been to a public toilet or restaurroom. You know, 523 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: it's talk about Yeah, there's just whatever's in there is terrifying. 524 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: Then you wash your hands and then dry your hands, 525 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: and then you put your hand on the handle to 526 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: get out of there, which is full of fucking germs. 527 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: After I just got the germs off my hands. 528 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: Because some people aren't washing like you just did, you know, 529 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: and yeah, you're right, you have to go through this 530 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: door to get out. In some places I've been to 531 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: they actually have a way to open the door with 532 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: your foot now so you don't need to touch the handle. 533 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: And especially during COVID, they turned a lot of doors 534 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: that used to use a knob or have a handle 535 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: into just you know, push, so you can use your 536 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 2: shoulder or your foot to open the door and avoid 537 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: touching a handle with your freshly cleaned hands, which you 538 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 2: know you raise a good point. That's the last thing 539 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: you want to do after you wash your hands is 540 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: touch a restroom door knock. 541 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that foot operated door opening system that'll get 542 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: to Australia in about thirty five years, So once that arrives, 543 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: we'll let you know how that goes. 544 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah h hopefully I'll still be talking to you. You know, 545 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: we'll see. 546 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: But then, any final thoughts or advice doc before we 547 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: head off, like do we need to one? We don't 548 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: need to panic, We just need to be aware. But 549 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: what's just a starting point? Should we clean our phone 550 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: once a day or what should we do? 551 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to go through a little list right here 552 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: to help people calm down. Don't want them to freak 553 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: out about their phone, because you can follow these simple 554 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: steps I'm going to tell you right now, and you'll 555 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: minimize the chances of getting sick from your phone. First 556 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 2: and foremost, as we said, take care of it in 557 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: the restroom. Either put it away, resist the temptation to 558 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: use it, or if you must, then wash your hands 559 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: thoroughly and wipe down your phone with that alcohol based wipe. 560 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: Like we said earlier, the same is true for other 561 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: surfaces that you put your phone down on. So some 562 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: of the ones that people don't think about might be 563 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: a kitchen countertop where a raw food was being prepared. 564 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of germs there, so 565 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: you probably don't want to use your phone in that environment. 566 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: We've already covered medical offices and hospitals. There's a lot 567 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: of germs on there and maybe their countertops, so be 568 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: cautious of it there. Public bus or public transportation, there 569 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: could be a lot of germs there. Avoid putting your 570 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: phone down on like the seat or whatever. If someone 571 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: else uses your phone, especially a toddler, you know, these 572 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: young kids are not very hygienic, right, So if a 573 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: toddler uses your phone or someone else uses it, good 574 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: idea to disinfect it. And if you make a call, 575 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: try to use the voice option. Don't hold the phone 576 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: against your cheek and your ear because if there are 577 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: germs on it, that could be an easy way for 578 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 2: them to get into your body. A good general rule 579 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: of thumb, phone, doorknobs, other surfaces. Keep your hands clean, 580 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: especially before you touch your face, before you put on makeup, 581 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: before you eat. Always wash or sanitize your hands that way, 582 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: phone or doorknob, whatever surface you're dealing with, whatever device 583 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: you're dealing with, If your hands are clean, you increase 584 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 2: your chances of being okay. I would wipe my phone 585 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: down at least once a day, and I would do 586 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 2: it even more often if I suspected that it got 587 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: put down onto a dirty surface or used by someone 588 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 2: who might have been sick. You can't clean it too much. Really. 589 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: If you use those alcohol based wipes, they're going to 590 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: be pretty safe, but you don't need to like do 591 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: it twelve fifteen times a day. Yeah. The other advantage 592 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: of cleaning your phone, like you know, at the beginning 593 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: or end of the day, gets all those fingerprints and 594 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: smudges off. You know, I'm always a little surprised as 595 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: to how much better my phone looks and how much 596 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: easier it is to read once I wipe it down, 597 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 2: So it's a one win situation, right. 598 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: And how much clearer the photos are when you watch 599 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: the actual lens of the just quickly. So in Australia anyway, 600 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure around many parts of the world we've 601 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: seen in the last you know, since twenty twenty, the 602 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: proliferation of sanitizes in handbags and pockets and whatever, the 603 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: little squeezy pump things. That is using a sanitizer as 604 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: good or is it the same as washing our hands? 605 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: I washing your hands thoroughly with soap and water for 606 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: about fifteen to twenty seconds is the absolute best. You 607 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: can't always do that. I am a strong advocate for 608 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: those little handy sanitizers when you're in a pinch and 609 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: can't get to soap and water. Those things are excellent. 610 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: They will kill upwards of ninety five, sometimes ninety nine 611 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: percent of germs, you know. Just make sure it's a 612 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: good quality product. And I carry one of those around 613 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 2: with me all the time. 614 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm shocked, Hi, mate, We appreciate you. We love 615 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: you being on the show. My listeners love you. We 616 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: always always pleasure, always get great feedback. Tell people where 617 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: to go where they can listen to more of you, 618 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: or see some of your stuff and connect if you would. 619 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can take your dirty and punch in www. 620 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 2: Author Bill Sullivan dot com and you can find the 621 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: articles the interviews that Craig talked about earlier about the 622 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 2: cell phone germs. If you want more information, you can 623 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: follow those links there and read all sorts of other 624 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: interesting things that I've written over the years. 625 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: Well, you can get your grubby little fingers and press 626 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: your grubby little keyboard and find it on your grubby 627 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: little computer. You can do that. There you go, I Mike, 628 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll talk again. 629 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 2: I look forward to it.