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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets Podcast

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Speaker 1: the following. My name is Courtney Olshrom, a senior journalists

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Speaker 1: based in Melbourne. Really delighted to have Matthew Hoggart, a

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Speaker 1: sixty seven Test fitterm for England took two hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty eight wickets and was a memory that's starr in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five team that won the Ashes join

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Speaker 1: us again. We had had a ball the last simme around.

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Speaker 1: But the last time around, Matt there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of optimism about what was two unfold.

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Speaker 2: That we're doomed captain and redoomed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you say first time around, lots of optimism

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Speaker 3: and lots of lots of yes, we've got a brilliant

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Speaker 3: chance in this ashy series. And then two games later,

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Speaker 3: I can't say two tests. I think two games might

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Speaker 3: be the better way put in it. We're very much

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Speaker 3: behind the eight ball.

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Speaker 1: Six days in two down. It has to become the

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Speaker 1: first team since Don Bradman led Australia to get up

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Speaker 1: from two love down or two nil down in nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty six thirty seven. It's a long way back, but

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Speaker 1: can it be done?

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Speaker 3: It is a very long way back. But yes, records

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Speaker 3: are there to be broken. Records are hard and that's

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Speaker 3: why the test of time. So yes, it can be done,

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Speaker 3: but it's going to take an extraordinary effort and a

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Speaker 3: I would say complete rethink of how we go about

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Speaker 3: playing our test Crooking.

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Speaker 1: We might start with just a bit of breaking news

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Speaker 1: from today and this I think will give in your

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Speaker 1: expertise in through your career. Mark Wood is coming home.

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Speaker 1: The knee hasn't come up after the Perth Test a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeksgo. Obviously you had that extended still on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines, Josh hazel Wood has been ruled out for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the series. He didn't play it or

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Speaker 1: didn't make it to the satting line and achilles problem

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Speaker 1: s grounded him. How hard is that? I've heard a

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Speaker 1: bit bowling on Australian We could and the ground's being hard,

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Speaker 1: but how hard is the ball here? In your thirties?

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Speaker 1: Obviously weve got to cople Vozzi bowlers who are fearing

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Speaker 1: pretty well installing, But in your thirties it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: tough asking and it's clearly a difficult one for Mark Wood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, being fit as a bowler is a hard ask.

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Speaker 3: Anyway because it's such an an unusual action. We're not

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Speaker 3: built for bowling, and we put so much stresses and

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Speaker 3: strange to our bodies that it takes its top. It's

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Speaker 3: not just on Australian soil. You go to anywhere, the

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Speaker 3: pictures are normally hard because they've been undercover, they've been rolled,

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Speaker 3: so it's not such an Australian problem. It's really hard

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Speaker 3: in England when the outfield's soft, and then you get

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Speaker 3: onto the hards had hard wickets, so proposes its own problems.

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Speaker 2: But going back to being fit, there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: being fit to play and being match fit.

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Speaker 3: And it's proved over and old, over and over again

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Speaker 3: that you have to have miles in your legs to

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Speaker 3: be able to perform in a Test match. And yes,

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Speaker 3: it's all right saying we've had five days of intense practice,

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Speaker 3: but bowlers have been bowling there forty minutes spells in

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Speaker 3: at going off for physio, going off for ice baths.

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Speaker 3: They haven't been standing in the field for the next

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Speaker 3: six hours. They haven't been chasing the ball, they haven't

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Speaker 3: had to do the hard yards. Just being stood up

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Speaker 3: all days. It is hard enough and walking around at

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Speaker 3: a cricket pitch. So when we come to say we

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Speaker 3: didn't execute our plans as a bowler, and we has

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Speaker 3: a bowling unit.

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Speaker 2: We haven't executed.

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Speaker 3: Is that because we haven't got the skill, we aren't

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Speaker 3: fit enough, or is it just we're coming up with

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Speaker 3: the wrong plans. So there's a whole host of questions.

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Speaker 3: You saw the intensity that we bowled on the first

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Speaker 3: day at Perth and we rolled Australia, and then we

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Speaker 3: haven't seen that intensity since except for that very short

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Speaker 3: in the last Test match. And I want to see

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Speaker 3: that intensity throughout the Test match. You want to see

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Speaker 3: see the bawlers coming off drained, being carried off that

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Speaker 1: I think Andrew flint Off, one of your teammates. You

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Speaker 1: think he said he used to drag himself off at

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Speaker 1: the end of the play and he'd slapping his chair,

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Speaker 1: but you knew he'd done the job, he'd given everything

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Speaker 1: he could. Talking to britt Lee earlier today, you're an

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Speaker 1: old sparring partner of yours, and he said he feels perversely,

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Speaker 1: he says, England might well be best performed, you know,

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Speaker 1: to produce in terms of the bowlers from now on,

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Speaker 1: because they've now got two matches under their legs. The

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Speaker 1: fact that what you were just touching on, they've actually

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Speaker 1: played a couple of matches and finally they might actually

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Speaker 1: be able to have the ground into the back up

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Speaker 1: time and again. And look, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about joffer. You had that nice little spat at

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Speaker 1: the end. Love seeing that. Brittley thought it was great

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Speaker 1: to have that little being a bit of back and

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Speaker 1: forth and some chirp or some shaddar. It was good fun.

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Speaker 1: But how do you feel the fact I've actually got

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Speaker 1: do you agree with Brettday they've got two under their

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Speaker 1: belt now they can might be able to get going massively.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I was a trundler.

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Speaker 3: I bowl one eighty mile an hour to watch that

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Speaker 3: one thirty clicks swim.

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Speaker 2: But I managed to get a job done.

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Speaker 3: And it's been able to to back yourself.

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Speaker 2: Up over and over again.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's not net bowling because you're bawling at

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Speaker 3: your friends, you're bowling at your mates, you're bowling in

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Speaker 3: a in a net environment that they don't have consequences.

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Speaker 3: You put yourself in front of forty thousand people, you're alive,

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Speaker 3: the ball actually disappears as actually consequences. You're playing against

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Speaker 3: somebody that actually wants to beat you. And it's not

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Speaker 3: just a in a net situation. You've got time, a

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Speaker 3: fine leg third man in between spells, you've got time

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Speaker 2: You have to put the ads in. You're standing out there.

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Speaker 3: You might be out there for an hour and a

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Speaker 3: put in your your performance. So there's a whole host

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Speaker 3: of different things that happen in a game that you

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Speaker 3: cannot replicate in practice. And there's been tried and tested

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Speaker 3: over and over and over again. The playing is the

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Speaker 3: best form of practicing and getting the yards. And yes,

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Speaker 3: we might have had five five intents we've over prepared

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Speaker 3: over I can't my ass, we've over part of my French,

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Speaker 3: but not a chance in hell have we over prepared

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Speaker 3: for this test matches. And as you say, Brittley might

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Speaker 3: have a point that now that we've come up and

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Speaker 3: said rather than this is why can we not hold

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Speaker 3: line in length for intense periods of time? Why do

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Speaker 3: we always go back to the short ball? You go

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Speaker 3: to the short bawl. There's only one way. Unless we're

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Speaker 3: bowling for runouts, we'll put two ways in. If we're

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Speaker 3: bowling for runouts, you're only one way getting out.

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Speaker 2: Is that cool?

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Speaker 3: How can you take away your main modes of dismissal

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Speaker 3: by saying them, We're just going to bowl short at you.

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Speaker 3: Is that the captain? Is that the coaches at the balls?

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Speaker 3: Is that the lack of direction? Is it the lack

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Speaker 3: of ability to say right, then, let's see.

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Speaker 2: What if Australia done.

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Speaker 3: Australia hit line and length and hit the deck card

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Speaker 3: to move.

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Speaker 2: I can remember when I.

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Speaker 3: Was playing listening to Glenn mcgart and Jason Gillespie and

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Speaker 3: very high up in the rankings, and they said, what

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Speaker 3: do you what's the secret? And they just said, we

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Speaker 3: Every now and again to keep the batsman honest. But

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Speaker 3: we assume it's not going to move. So the movement

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Speaker 1: Air was a ball.

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Speaker 2: And all they did.

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Speaker 3: And if you will go back through history, all the

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Speaker 3: great fast bowlers and all this seem they hit line

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Speaker 3: what's he done. He's pitched the ball up, he's swung it,

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Speaker 3: he's gone across our back. Yes, our batters have given

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Speaker 3: him a lot of help, and you just dangle it

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Speaker 3: the batters later. But the done is the whole Line've

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Speaker 3: done the basics. And I said last time, cricket is

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Speaker 3: a very simple game made complicated by the people that played.

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Speaker 3: If you take out bold LBW out of the equation

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Speaker 3: and we're just bowling for caught in the outfield, then

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Speaker 3: surely that is not the most statistical statistical way of

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Speaker 3: getting wickets.

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Speaker 2: It's not the most Go back to.

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Speaker 3: Hitting lining and length, hitting the top of ustunt, bring bowl,

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Speaker 3: and bowling short back of a length is not cut

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Speaker 1: You touched on the over prepared comments from brind mcallum.

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Speaker 1: Now I know you do some motivational speaking. Also got

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Speaker 1: the hot roasting beast. He's been over prepared. Then would

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Speaker 1: you would you have roasted in the sunshine and news

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of days on the golf course?

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Speaker 1: How would you feed yourself if you're out there as

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Speaker 1: someone sort of in the Midlands around England at the moment,

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Speaker 1: how would you have feared out in the sun after

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Speaker 1: four days of Test cricket.

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Speaker 3: So I'll answer that by putting you into the scenario

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Speaker 3: when we went over there two thousand and six seven Adelaide. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we lost in Adelaide and a Test match that we

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Speaker 3: shouldn't have lost, and I was absolutely gutted at the

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Speaker 3: end of the game. I was I was trying to

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to see the quietly bad. That night,

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Speaker 2: most of the team went out to watch.

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Speaker 3: Who's the Singer Bobby Robbie Williams went out and Bobby

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Speaker 3: Williams and a concert. I what we've just lost a

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Speaker 3: test match that we shouldn't have lost. How on earth

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Speaker 3: can you go out and enjoy yourself and go out

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Speaker 3: to see a concert And to me it hurts so

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Speaker 3: much that we lost that test match. I couldn't go

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Speaker 3: out and enjoy myself to say, do you know what

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Speaker 3: we have under performed in two test matches. We've played

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Speaker 3: two days of the first game and we had lots

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Speaker 3: of time in between. We've played four of the second game.

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Speaker 3: But we're now going to go on holiday NUSA.

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Speaker 2: The it doesn't look right to the outside world. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't look right the fact that.

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Speaker 3: A load of people said, you know you've underprepared, you've

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Speaker 3: not been practicing, or you haven't played the games that

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Speaker 3: you need to. Yes, okay, if if your belief system

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Speaker 3: and you've prepared that way for the last four years

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Speaker 3: going into it, you stand up for.

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Speaker 2: Yourself and believes them, which what they have done.

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Speaker 3: We've got no qualms whatsoever with the fact that they

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Speaker 3: have stuck to.

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Speaker 2: Their guns and believed in their method.

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Speaker 3: But if your method isn't working and your results aren't

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Speaker 3: coming out, and then you bugger off to NUSA on

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Speaker 1: seen that. Is it Pots? Does he coming? Is it?

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Speaker 1: You know who who does come in? And what do

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Speaker 1: they do? Do they change it around?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question because you've been picking for

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Speaker 3: the last two years and saying right, you're number one

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Speaker 3: an old pace attack which hasn't worked. Unfortunately, Woody is out.

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Speaker 3: We bring Fisher in, Tongue takes wickets. He's more of

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Speaker 3: a picture up Tyler ball. But you then look at Adelaide,

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Speaker 3: which is historically one of the flattered, flatter wickets in Australia.

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Speaker 3: That turns a little bit right, then who's the spinner?

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Speaker 3: Are we Are we going from Jack and putting Busher

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Speaker 3: back in because we might need a frontline spinner. Are

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Speaker 3: we going to stick with Chat? That's if you were winning.

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Speaker 3: It's a breeze, isn't it? The selection isn't who's batting

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Speaker 3: at three? Are we going to stick with the pope?

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Speaker 3: And said, you know, let's rain it in a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And I wish I had the answers. But the squad

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Speaker 3: you've picked them that squad for a reason because of

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Speaker 3: the best fourteen players that you've got in the country,

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Speaker 3: and you've picked the best six players to up to

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Speaker 3: back one to six, So they're not in confidence, confidence

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Speaker 3: and mindset and You're going to have to go around

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Speaker 3: and look people in the eye and say right, they

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Speaker 3: know you do you believe you can can score runs.

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Speaker 3: And there's going to be some hopefully some tough conversations

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Speaker 3: being had in that in that changing groups, a fight

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Speaker 3: coming out of the England camp and saying right that

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Speaker 3: the intensity that was was shown in that short period

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Speaker 3: at the end from the bowlers run up, hit that

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Speaker 3: length hard, put the pressure back on, put the pressure

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Speaker 3: on the batsman for the full However many overs it

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Speaker 3: takes you, not just the first ten overs. However many

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Speaker 3: overs it takes you put the batsman under pressure. And

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Speaker 3: when you're batting it doesn't matter if I mean, what

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Speaker 3: was that We've been beating for seventy overs, seventy overs

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Speaker 3: and innings. How do you win Test cricket by batting

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Speaker 3: seventy overs and innans? You don't, so find a way

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Speaker 3: of batting longer.

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Speaker 1: Last one for you, three o'clock, three am, four am

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday morning in London. Are you rolling over when

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Speaker 1: the alarm goes off and chicking the phone and rolling

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Speaker 1: back to bed? Or are you or are you yes?

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Speaker 1: We are becking it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna wait until I wake up,

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Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna look at.

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Speaker 3: The score and then I'll make it just cough from there.

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Speaker 1: Look, I really appreciate you coming on again. It is

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Speaker 1: it was a ball and look, I hope you don't know.

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Speaker 1: We might even come back to UH for for the

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Speaker 1: review review if we get if we get to that

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Speaker 1: stage and as five zero, you might have as much

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Speaker 1: he left as I've got on top of the head.

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Speaker 1: But I really appreciate you joining the follow on. Been

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Speaker 1: a pleasure, always, always a thrilled Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: just always