WEBVTT - Sharri | 4 September 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.320 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:05.559 This is Sharry. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.800 Well, good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.560 Macpherson filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight, a reality 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.640 check for labor as Australia's economy grows at a snail's pace. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.000 But Jim Chalmers, well, he's more concerned about playing the 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:25.480 blame game. I'll discuss today's GDP figures shortly. Also tonight, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.479 the latest push to crack down on social media giants 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.240 in a bid to protect our kids. But is there 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.440 a hidden agenda. I'll ask child psychologist Claire row about 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.960 that later. And University of Sydney Vice Chancellor Mark Scott, well, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.680 he's been grilled in an inquiry about why he allowed 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:47.280 a pro Palestinian encampment to festa on campus. The politician 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.320 behind the tough questions will join me to explain how 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.840 it all went down. But first, Queers for Palestine, well 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.680 they got a little reality check today. Our ambassador in 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:04.160 Iran was given address down for an Instagram post promoting homosexuality. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:09.120 You see, homosexuality is illegal in the Islamic Republic of Iran, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.880 and by illegal I mean the Islamists will hang you 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.000 by the neck. For it, and that might be considered lenient. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.600 In other parts of the Muslim world, they'll stone you 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.320 to death or throw you off a building for being gay. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.280 As a side note, the. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.319 Gay community in Israel, Enjoy writes not even afforded in 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.600 many Western nations. But let's not allow facts to get 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.280 in the way of contempt for Israel. Perhaps our ambassador 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.440 in Iran, Ian mcconval had been drinking the quiz for 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.280 Palestine kool aid. The photo of mcconval wearing purple and 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.600 sharing purple cupcakes was posted on the official Australia in 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.920 Iran Instagram account in support of Where It Purple Day now? 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.520 Where a Purple Day is an annual LGBTQIA plus awareness 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.040 day to celebrate and promote all things queer. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.960 Who knew that was a thing in Iran? 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.160 I suppose you've got to trust our diplomats to know 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.400 their audience. The Instagram post was helpfully captioned in Persian 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.240 so the locals could read it. It read celebrating were 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.800 It Purple Day with a splash of purple in every 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.160 corner and some delicious cupcakes made with love. Today and 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.160 every day We're dedicated to creating a supportive environment where everyone, 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:28.120 especially LGBTQIA plus youth, can feel proud to be themselves. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.720 Let's keep championing diversity and inclusion for a brighter, more 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:37.280 inclusive future. Now, obviously, the post, which naturally included a 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.000 pride flag flown at so many pro Palestinian rallies around 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.880 our country, was light by about three thousand people. But 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.919 here's a surprise, and I'm sure a surprise for quiz 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.800 for Palestine. The Ayatola was not one of those liking 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.760 this particular post. Does the Supreme Leader of the Islamic 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.760 Republic of Iran not like cupcakes? 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.799 Maybe purple's just not his color. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.239 The Iranian minut My History of Foreign Affairs strongly condemned 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.720 our embassy for promoting homosexuality, which it described. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.959 As abnormal conduct. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.200 According to Iranian news agencies, our officials were told the 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.520 content published by the Australian Embassy is insulting and contrary 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:21.680 to Iranian and Islamic tradition, customs and culture. Well, this 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.720 news will surely come as an enormous shock to all 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.400 those protesters we see on the streets of Sydney and 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.359 Melbourne madly waving their rainbow flags alongside Palestinian flags, as 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.960 if they were natural bedfellows. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.000 It seems gay rights. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.040 And Palestinian rights are linked, but only in the fertile 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.280 imaginations of those who enjoy the comfort of opinion without 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.320 the discomfort of thought. Now, this, of course raises an 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:52.280 awkward question for the LGBTQ community in this country. How 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:56.200 do they reconcile their support for Iran's proxy hamas with 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.160 Iran's anti gay laws. Iran is happy to accept the 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.040 support of gay activists on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne, 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.120 but won't accept even a gay cupcake on the streets 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:10.080 of Tehran. Now this should give Quiz for Palestine something 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.600 to ponder. I'm looking forward to seeing all those university 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.479 students on campus tomorrow protesting the homophobic Iranian government. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.160 We'll wait meanwhile. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.360 Federal Government Minister Murray Watt told the ABC he was 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.440 upset by the Iranian reaction to our purple cupcakes. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.240 I am concerned to see this reaction from the Iranian 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.960 government to the activities of the Australian Embassy. We're very 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.480 proud about the fact that our embass is promote Australian 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.920 values internationally. And I'm very keen concerned to see an 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.480 overseas government seemingly take action against an Australian embassy that 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.000 is upholding Australian values. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.640 To write, mister Watt, you learn a great deal about 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.599 the values of a nation by listening closely to what 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.719 comes out of their embassy. Speaking of which, it's exactly 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.000 a month ago that our government summoned Han's ambassador to 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:05.320 Australia to explain his social media post calling not for 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.640 wear It Purple Day, but for wipeout Israel Day. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.720 Cupcakes not included. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.800 Iran's ambassador wrote that wiping out the Zionis plague out 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.080 of the Holy Lands of Palestine happens no later than 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.480 twenty twenty seven now. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi said at 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.760 the time those comments were abhorrent, hateful, anti Semitic and 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.320 had no place in Australia, well unless you're at one 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.400 of those pro Palestinian marches that happen every other weekend. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:34.839 But hang on a second. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.360 When the Iranian ambassador posted that Israel Israel should be eliminated, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:44.920 wasn't that just Iran's embassy promoting Iranian values. We value tolerance, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.080 they value the wiping out of Israeli's. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.960 In the Middle East. It's called diversity. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.240 And yet the Albanzi government continues to insist that Israel 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.320 has to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas, which, as 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.680 they know very well, is nothing but an extension of Iran, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.359 whose spokesmen here are openly touts for the elimination of Israel. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.120 I'll tell you what, support for a Hamas controlled Palestine 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:15.640 is a very queer thing. Indeed, well, speaking of cupcakes, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:20.560 Queensland Premier Stephen Miles, the Premier has defended his decision 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.279 to use a private jet to make an eleven minute 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.760 flight from Harvey Bay to Bunderberg in order to deliver 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.560 a birthday cake to one of his MPs. It's a 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.640 crazy country, isn't it. You and I are wondering can 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.000 we afford a birthday cake this year? The Premier's biggest 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.680 problem hmm do I deliver the cake in a jet? 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:40.719 Now? 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.840 To be fair, the seventy four kilometer journey wasn't only 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.080 to deliver a cake. Stephen Miles also announced a new 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.400 fence would be built for Bunderberg East State School if 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:52.800 he wins the next election. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.680 Now did it never occur to the premier. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.839 He could cancel the cupcake flight and use the money 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.479 spent on avgas to give the kids offense. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.359 No no, his office explained. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.320 The government had already leased the private jet, so it 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.760 didn't cost taxpayers anything. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.120 To fly it north. Well, where can I lease this plane? 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.680 I want to take my kids for a no cost 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:14.880 flight to Port Douglas. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:16.120 What does it run on? 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.080 Solar or maybe it was a translink plane and so 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.640 the fare to Bunderberg only cost fifty cents. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.080 It might be easy fodder for tabloid newspapers, but it 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.880 would have cost more to hire a car for that 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.840 one leg, and the other legs could not be completed 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.080 by another transport mode. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:35.080 Amazing. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.360 So when Queenslanders refuel their cars, they need to take 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.200 out a second mortgage, sell a kidney. But when the 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.360 Premier is questioned about using a jet to deliver mudcake 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.040 for a mate, well that's. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.040 Just fodder for tabloid journalists. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.720 Talk about arrogant and what about all those jet emissions. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.200 I thought we're in the middle of a climate emergency 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.440 and that Stephen Miles was a climate champion. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.200 For the United States. Vice President Al Gore has offered 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:06.520 his congratulations to new Queensland Premier Stephen Miles. The well 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.200 wishes came after the new premier pledged an increased towards 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.239 greenhouse and gas emissions target by twenty thirty five, ahead 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.680 of net zero in twenty fifty. Mister Gore took to 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.840 social media saying I know there's more to come and 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:25.280 hope his leadership inspires others across Australia and around the world. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.880 Oh, mister Miles, climate leadership is inspiring all right. He 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.680 floats high in the sky above. He floats high in 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.840 the sky, rather far above Queenslanders, who are well, of 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.400 course beneath him. They're expected to drive an EV that's 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.080 barely affordable up the Bruce Highway that's barely maintained. Now, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.079 I know what you're thinking, How clueless is the Queensland Premier. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.640 How could he not know that this doesn't you know, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.200 pass the pub test? Well, how could he know there's 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.079 no airstrip near the pub to land his private jet? 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:02.720 Now? 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.520 I was going to tell you tonight that Australia's economy 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.240 is growing at a snail's pace, but that would be 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:13.280 unfair to snails. Data release today confirms the economy is 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.839 growing at its slowest pace since the nineteen nineties recession 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.800 outside of the COVID pandemic. New figures from the Australian 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.800 Bureau of Statistics show GDP rose by zero point two 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.480 percent in the June quarter and by just one percent 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.360 over the last financial year. Que the political spin from 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:33.720 Treasurer at Jim Chalmers. 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.880 Without government spending, without growth in government spending, there'd be 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.600 no growth in our economy at all, that is primarily 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.360 health spending. This vindicates the approach that we took in 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.640 the budget and it frankly torpedoes a lot of the 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.800 free advice that we got at budget time to cut 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.120 harder and harsher. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.720 Well, let's take this to our panel form of Victorian 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.920 liber Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister Graham Richardson. Gentlemen, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.280 thanks for joining me. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.080 Michael. Let me start with you. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.440 Whatever Jim Chalmers says, however he spins this, this is 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.560 a big reality check for labor, is it not? 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.360 It certainly is. But look, I think Jim's hopelessly out 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.719 of his depth. He's a commentator, you know, he's just 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.320 watching the train go by the truth of The matter 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.360 is this, there's no productivity growth in this country, which 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.120 is one of the main ways of you know, growth 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.120 in your economy. Immigration has been far too high, which 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.520 adds to aggregate demand. You've got a pro union government, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.640 and we've seen all the pro union changes to help 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.200 the unions stay alive, their anti business. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.480 But the worst thing of all is this. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.560 You know, Chalmers talks about a strong economic leadership. If 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.760 you look at the budget papers twenty twenty three and 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.000 twenty twenty six, government revenues federally, federally go up seventy 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:02.200 billion seven zero bi in, but government expenditure goes up 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.120 one hundred and thirty five billion. They're in the budget papers. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.200 They're spending sixty five billion dollars over their three year period, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.440 more than they're earning. That's before you add in all 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.840 these venture capital green schemes which run also into the 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.920 tens of billions, many of which. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:16.720 Will fall over. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.880 And that's before you add in all the state government 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.080 added expenditure. So the Reserve Bank was right when they 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.360 politely said to the governments around this country, if you 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.760 stop spending, we might get somewhere with interest rates. But 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.240 the economy is running far too hot with all your spending, 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.040 and that's exactly what's happening. This guy's hopelessly out of 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.640 his depth. I mean, you know, he's worse than people say. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.600 He's the worst since Wayne's Wine. He's much better than 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.040 Wayne Swine. I mean, I don't think it. Wayne had 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.400 those four surpluses that he announced, of course that night. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.280 But he is a poor man's Jim Cans. That's what 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.199 he is, Charmers, and he's a millstone around the neck 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.840 of this government made well. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:52.920 Richard, let me go to you. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:58.079 Household spending is down, business investment is down. Only government's 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.960 spending is up and keeping the economy out of recession. 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.640 But record government spending can't prop up the economy forever, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:05.040 can it? 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.600 No? Not forever. You have got a hope that it 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.640 gets a return. It hasn't got that return yet, but 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.240 I guess Charmers is hoping that return comes soon. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.600 I reckon he's got every finger crossed. Meanwhile, Chalmers has 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.840 been royally told off by John Howard for blaming his 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.800 economic woes on the RBA's interest rate hikes. Writing in 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.040 The Australian, John Howard said there's little argument that the 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.720 Albanezy government has lost control of expenditure. By his opportunistic 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:41.800 and quite disloyal remarks, Chalmers has diminished himself, not Bullock, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.520 that's Michelle Bullock from the RBA. Michael should Charmers be 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:46.920 embarrassed by these comments? 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.600 Well, of course he should be. When John Howard knows 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.640 more about the economy than almost in the Australian alive 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.360 given the fact that he was true to runder Malcolm 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.320 Fraser's government then Prime Minister for almost four years. I mean, Chalmers, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.160 this is a politic blacked by the way. Let's make 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.520 no mistake about this, James. The Labor Party leadership have decided, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.120 how do we get away from the fact that been 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.680 all these thirteen interest rate rises on our watch. Australian 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.160 mortgage holders in eighty percent of them on variable rates. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.560 So they're getting murdered. Any homeowner with a mortgage is 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.559 getting murdered. How do we shift the blame from us? 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.560 Because they said they had a cost of living plan. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.520 Of course there was an emergency under Scott Morrison that 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.120 they had a plan to fix. They had no plan. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.440 It was just advertising gulf it was polybabble. So what 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.439 they've done politically is decided. Let's shift the blame for 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.280 the Reserve Bank. Let's sort of wink wink, it's their fault. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:35.559 Right. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.720 So you've seen my friend Stephen Conroy, You've seen Craig Emerson, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.079 now you've seen the Treasurer. You've seen other Labour figures 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.679 coming out blaming the Reserve Bank. This is a political 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:45.839 act to try and take the heat of the government 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.880 and blame the Reserve Bank Board. You know, I think 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.920 four or five of whom they've appointed. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.560 It certainly seems that way, Richo, based on what we've 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.439 seen for the past two years. Let me ask you this, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.800 why should Australians have any confidence this government knows what 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:02.599 it's doing. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:04.000 Well. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.120 I think there are so many fronts where the government 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.840 has shown it's done it's doing well. The trouble is 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.840 on the front where you know these kinds of judgments 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.360 are going to be made. Labor's just a bit soft 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.160 and so it's suffering at the moment because of that. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.520 But I think, you know, Albow and Charmers between them 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.600 will work that out. They'll sort it out, we'll move on, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.320 the economy will stay solid and labor will win again. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.040 I like your optimism, Rich, I really do. Hey, at 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.200 least the Coalition. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.000 Are committed to generating wealth rather than squandering it. They've 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.440 promised to approve the Beleague in New South Wales gold 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.200 mine if they win the upcoming federal election. Have listened 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.440 to Nationals leader David little Proud, he's with Senator just 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.240 Into Price earlier today. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.760 I can tell you that while this is the biggest 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.440 issue in town, this is also the biggest issue for 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.520 the resource sector right across the nation. Unless Minister Plebisac 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.720 wants to come out and publicly give the reasons, then 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.640 ultimately this company has done all that they've been asked of. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.240 Minister Plebisac has a lot of answers to give for 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.680 the questions that are being asked by this community. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.160 Michael, is this a smart move from the Coalition? 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.360 Yeah, of course it is, and they're absolutely right. I mean, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.760 what a farcical decision. This is embarrassing when we're a 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.280 first world country. So Tanya Plebsik makes this decision, it's secret. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.920 She can't tell us why she's made it. The land 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.160 owners in the area, the recognized traditional owners, are saying 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.560 it's gumf and she because she's never run a business 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.600 and there's no idea about how a mine operates or 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.840 geology operates. Simply says I'll move the tailings dam somewhere else. 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.360 I mean, people have got no idea how these public companies, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.560 these mining companies work. Without the mining industry in this country, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.440 we would be in a serious depression in this country. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.120 Yet Pleba sic Albanizi, they're all anti mining. They want 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.320 to kill off coal, gas whatever. For goodness sake, what 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.000 are we going to run this country on? You know, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.280 solar panels. We're going to have a solar panel led 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.640 economy to beat off those Chinese who you know. I mean, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.720 this is not serious. This has made us an international 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:22.440 laughing stock. And these mining companies committing millions and millions. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.120 Of shareholder dollars to these projects. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.680 And having them ki boshed at the last minute for 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.320 unexplained reasons by people who the traditional owners have never 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.080 heard of. It makes a laughing stock of this country, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.360 a laughing stock of the minister and a laughing stock 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:35.960 of the government. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.040 Well, Richo, here's the thing I can't understand about this 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:44.280 whole fiasco. Tanya Plibasek has blocked the project on cultural grounds, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.520 but also says cultural grounds prevent her from explaining the decision. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:49.840 To block the projects. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.320 So how can the government expect people to be okay 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.000 with that kind of communication or lack thereof. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.800 I don't think you can ever expect it to be 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.880 okay if you don't explain what you're doing. So I'm 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.320 not going to try and defend that one. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.400 You can't all right. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.879 As I mentioned at the top of the show, Queensland 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.000 Premier Stephen Miles. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.760 Let's go to Stephen for a moment. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.199 He's been forced to defend himself after catching an eleven 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.280 minute ride the Border government jet from Harvey Bay to 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.720 Bunderberg on Monday. In case you missed it earlier here, he. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.920 Was generally we book it by the day. Any additional 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.719 costs apport fees would be highly negligible. We had a 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.040 significant traveling party, including members of the media. In order 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.880 to hire cars to go to and from a location, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.440 we have arrangements that we generally try to avoid the 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.119 jet flying without passengers. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.600 Now we're not one hundred percent sure why he needed 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.160 to get to Bunderberg so fast, seeing as a drive 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.760 would have only taken about ninety minutes, but we do 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.240 know he surprised a local MP with some mudcake for 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:00.200 his birthday. That same afternoon, Michael Stephen Miles dismissed critics 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.680 of his flight as tabloid fodder. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:08.240 Is that fair? Goodder, James? 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.040 I think the less time we spend on this show, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.439 or any show on skuy talking about Stephen Miles, the 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:13.320 better I think. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.760 Succinct. Rich have what about you? 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.800 It's like nothing, there's nothing to be going, there's nothing 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:20.280 to be going. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.640 Well, it seems to me, Rich, Stephen Miles has given 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.000 up on any pretense of being sensible. You don't pull 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.439 stunts like this in the middle of a cost of 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.199 living crisis, let alone fifty days before an election. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.400 What's wrong with Stephen Miles? 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:34.760 I don't know. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.680 I'd have to agree it's not the most intelligent decision 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:43.440 I've seen made, and I don't understand how you defend it, 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.760 so I'm not going to try. I mean, it was 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:46.280 just dumb. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:47.560 Rich. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.639 Oh, that's two from two that you've not attempted to 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:50.439 defend tonight. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.280 You can't defend it. You can't defend the indefensible. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.880 Really, let me go. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.199 From Rich, RICHI I read rich O, you're working for 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.280 one of those lobbying. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:04.720 Businesses or one of those businesses. 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.080 Would there be a position there for Stephen after the 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.720 Ober election? Stephen miles much you could take him on. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.080 Michael and RICHI, I appreciate your time tonight, Thanks so 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:21.120 much for joining me well. University of Sydney Vice Chancellor 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.280 Mark Scott copped a grilling in New South Wales Parliament 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.880 estimates earlier today over his handling of the pro Palestinian 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.800 encampment that was allowed to exist on campus for two months. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.399 Despite Jewish students complaining they felt unsafe with such phrases 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.479 as from the River to the Sea being chanted daily 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.159 as they tried to go to class, the professor defended 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.480 the environment he had permitted, dismissing the phrases as technically 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:48.560 not illegal. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.119 Students have reported quote, I do not feel safe on 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.800 campus and actively struggle to learn when faced with the 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.879 reminder that people are openly allowed to call for my 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.679 death in the next room. How does that help the 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.320 psychosocial safety of students? 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:09.480 Well, I'd want to see the specific nature of that. 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:14.440 I cannot find a jurisdiction in the country that has 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.720 banned the use of those phrases. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.760 I'm enjoined now by New South Wales Liberal MLC Susan Carter. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.679 Susan, thanks for joining me tonight. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.600 You were the one delivering most of the blows in 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:28.680 estimates today and I want to go through some of 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.840 the specifics in a moment, but just generally, what did 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.119 you make of Mark Scott's responses to your questions today? 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.760 Oh, James, it was very, very disappointing. The university talks 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.800 about the importance of empathy about free speech, but doesn't 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.680 seem to have actually heard what the Jewish students and 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.760 Jewish staff members have been saying about the effect of 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.760 the encampment and about the effect of the protests on 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.240 the just their feelings of personal safety. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.639 One of the first questions you asked was about the 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:06.120 ongoing support that was given to staff and students. And 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.399 Mark Scott radloff all the things he had done in 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.600 the wake of October seven, But do you think he 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:14.120 answered that question about whether or not targeted and ongoing 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.480 support was necessary to make sure Jewish students actually felt 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:19.520 safe on campus. 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.240 Did he answer that question adequately? 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.440 He never answered that question, and in fact he kept 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:30.119 talking about communication and a lot of very high level things. 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.399 But it was interesting when I tried to drill down 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.520