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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris, and this is straight talk. You mind

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Speaker 1: if I just quickly sort of scratch around Eric Banner

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Where were you born?

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Speaker 2: I was born in Melbourne, YEP, in a place called Malvin.

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Speaker 2: My mum was a hairdresser, so I grew up in

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Speaker 2: the back of a hairdressing salon for the first few

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Speaker 2: years of my life, and then we moved to Talamarin

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Speaker 2: and I pretty much spent my childhood in Talla out

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Speaker 2: near the airport.

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Speaker 1: Both you folks from Croatia.

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Speaker 3: Dad's from Croatian months from Germany.

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Speaker 1: So your actual surname is not Banner.

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Speaker 2: A lot of oos Is make it Banadanovitch. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why, but there's an I in the it's bean Adinovich.

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Speaker 1: I mean I look at it structurally, you look like

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Speaker 1: someone from Croatia because like Croatians. I think Serbians a

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Speaker 1: like on average of the Croatians similar sort of backgrounds

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Speaker 1: are the tallest men in the world on average, and

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Speaker 1: you're a tall guy. You've got that sort of build.

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Speaker 1: How often does do the people who are casting for

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Speaker 1: movies and shows that you might go in, how often

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Speaker 1: do they look at your physique and actually cast you

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Speaker 1: around your physic and your drawl on your face, the

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Speaker 1: whole look.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll never know. I never asked a question. I

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Speaker 3: think I've been quite lucky that.

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Speaker 2: My look can kind of go both ways, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like if you look at some of the films that

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Speaker 2: I've been in, I've been able to go sort of

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Speaker 2: European and I've been able to go non European. So

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Speaker 2: I never overthought it, to be honest. But there's a

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Speaker 2: certain physicality you can't get away from, you know, So

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Speaker 2: there's always going to be a bent, you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of the stuff that you're offered. It would be

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Speaker 2: very easy for me to have done nothing but very

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Speaker 2: very physical films, which doesn't interest me. So you have

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Speaker 2: to work consciously to not play against that, but to

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Speaker 2: just kind of temper that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, one thing that comes straight to

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Speaker 1: my mind is Chopper, you put a lot of weight

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Speaker 1: on relatively speaking whis of how you're sitting here today,

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Speaker 1: But you put a lot of weight on for probably

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Speaker 1: a lot younger too, when you were younger. Yeah, my god,

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Speaker 1: you looked exactly like him though, thanks mate, I'm serious,

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Speaker 1: And you actually came across like him too. Yeah, leg

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Speaker 1: was amazing. How is that? I don't know only about acting,

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Speaker 1: but is that called method acting?

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Speaker 4: What is that?

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Speaker 1: Did you spend time with the dude to find out

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Speaker 1: how he was? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't like to put the label method acting on

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Speaker 2: it because then I'd find out that you know, it's

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Speaker 2: not method actor or it is. So I just go

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Speaker 2: with what works for me, and what works for me.

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Speaker 2: First of all is having a lot of time to prep,

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Speaker 2: Like you can't call me and say we're filming next month.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pass on that project, like I need

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Speaker 2: things to marinate up here for as.

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Speaker 3: Long as possible.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, I have to respond immediately, like when I read

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Speaker 2: something or someone approaches me for a job, I know

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Speaker 2: straight away instinctively whether I feel as though I can

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Speaker 2: become that person, and if it's if it's a no,

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Speaker 2: it's a no. It doesn't matter what the project is,

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Speaker 2: who's in a who's directing it, how much it is.

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Speaker 2: If I don't get that response, I'm out with Chopper.

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Speaker 2: I for some reason, just immediately felt like I could

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Speaker 2: become him, even before I'd started doing any research, and

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Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of material on him available at

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Speaker 2: the time. But I'd seen a couple of interviews, so

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Speaker 2: it was just a lot of research, Mate.

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Speaker 4: And we were ready.

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Speaker 2: We were getting close to start filming. We were in

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Speaker 2: early stages of pre production. The film got postponed because

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Speaker 2: of the el mcfeast interview years ago when Chopper went

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Speaker 2: on air slightly drunk and told stories. So I had

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Speaker 2: that worked in my favor because it meant it gave

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Speaker 2: me about another twelve months to prepare. So it was

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Speaker 2: a combination of things, reading everything I could, watching everything

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Speaker 2: I could, spending time with him, Andrew the director, and

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Speaker 2: I went down to Tazzy and hang out with him

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Speaker 2: for a few days, and then trying to come up

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Speaker 2: with a version in my head that would work on screen,

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Speaker 2: because you know, doing any impersonation is not enough, like

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Speaker 2: it has to be believable, has to.

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Speaker 3: Be something else.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of it's just up here, and I

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Speaker 2: can't explain everything that goes on up there impersonations.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's not enough. Otherwise it probably doesn't come

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Speaker 1: across quite good enough in terms of excellence impersonation is

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Speaker 1: It's quite interesting then that when I was reading somewhere

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Speaker 1: that when you're a kid, a little kid, you did impersonations.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not it's true or not, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but like just to get laugh paps or maybe get

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Speaker 1: good at, Like in terms of personations, like how you

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Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. That's something that you love doing.

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Speaker 3: It's something that comes naturally.

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Speaker 2: And my son has it as well, which is really

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Speaker 2: funny to see that being passed down. It's just it's

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Speaker 2: not something I've taught him. It's just in him, like

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Speaker 2: straight away. So I did it as a kid. I

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Speaker 2: probably use it to get out of trouble mainly, you know,

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Speaker 3: Occasionally would have t just come.

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Speaker 2: Up to me on the slide say could you do

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Speaker 2: you do a good mister salence?

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Speaker 5: Could you do it for me?

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Speaker 1: Serious?

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Speaker 2: My grandfather was very encouraging of it. And then I

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Speaker 2: grew up, you know, watching a lot of TV as

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Speaker 2: really being overly conscious of, without knowing that it was

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Speaker 1: So when you given that that's something you that's a

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Speaker 1: skill you have, it's the thing you enjoy, it's something

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Speaker 1: you grew up doing. When you've got to go and

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Speaker 1: play a role like Hector, for example, in Troy, I've

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Speaker 1: always been upset that Hector gets nailed, seriously, like he's

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Speaker 1: I thought anyway. But when you go to take that

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Speaker 1: yourself into that role? Like how do you start to think,

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Speaker 1: to take to the audience who I think Hectors like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a combination of everything, so you know, talk

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Speaker 2: the script. And then for Hector was really just just

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Speaker 2: primarily for me about just pure leadership, like leadership like

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Speaker 2: you know, being being the ultimate you know, type a

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Speaker 2: when I read the script, I thought, there's something about him.

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Speaker 2: It's not just type a you know, rah rah rah.

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Speaker 2: I read all kinds of like I remember reading in

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Speaker 2: the Vander Holyfield book preparing for that, like a book

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Speaker 2: on Romulus, all kinds of different things, just to try

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Speaker 2: you know, going to that place. And you had again,

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Speaker 2: I had a really good amount of time to prepare

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Speaker 2: for that for that film. Wolfgang Peters in our director

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Speaker 2: good amount of time to prepare, which I needed a

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Speaker 1: Of fighting and are you doing that?

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Speaker 2: You had to learn how to how to bear back

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Speaker 2: it's just the best part of the job, which is

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Speaker 2: going back to before. Like if you said to me,

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Speaker 2: the reasons I say no is because, to me, someone

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get a job, you know, And

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Speaker 2: that's that's my kind of favorite part of the job,

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Speaker 2: is going away and learning and doing the research. So

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Speaker 1: And that'll come across I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because at the end of the day, even if

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Speaker 2: for me. What matters is that I believe in what

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Speaker 2: to buy that for a second. And you won't buy

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Speaker 2: I can just feel it myself and at least make

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Speaker 2: the other elements. But I can at least hope that

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Speaker 2: That's what's really important to me.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I have actually read some reviews as

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Speaker 1: other movies you've been in, and sometimes they might not

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Speaker 1: have done as brilliantly as everybody expected them to do

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Speaker 1: relative to cost and all that sort stuff. I'm talking financially,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of the reviewers said, but Banner did

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. In other words, you shone in terms

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Speaker 1: about leadership. I'm just wondering to myself, is acting out

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Speaker 1: Is it about finding that one virtue or those two

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Speaker 1: virtues in the case of Hector leadership, how can I

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Speaker 1: express how can you express that particular virtue? Because virtue

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Speaker 1: a virtue in somebody or something like actually over extended nearly,

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Speaker 1: like glaringly. And now I'm thinking about Hector. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I never thought about a time, But that's what's stuck

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Speaker 1: you've done it and dry, because there's virtues coming out

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Speaker 1: of that as well. But just on Hector, is that

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Speaker 3: It's got to be in the source material.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to just construct it out of thin air.

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Speaker 2: Has to be there on the page. But then you're

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Speaker 4: and I think the first ratings came out and we

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Speaker 4: rated seventy, we went up I think or either sixteen seven,

438
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Speaker 4: and we stayed.

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Speaker 1: I remember it was close, yeah, and I was like,

440
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Speaker 1: and then.

441
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Speaker 4: We went up and we certainly ended up going up

442
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Speaker 4: above that sixteen. And now we've kind of stayed and

443
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Speaker 4: no one.

444
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 1: Left in turns of advertisers, advertisers, audience.

445
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Speaker 4: And audience. No one left. More advertisers came because Alan

446
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 4: had some advertising problems because there's some statements that he'd made.

447
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Speaker 4: They got him in trouble. But now every ratings day

448
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,360
Speaker 4: or most ratings day, so I get a message from Ginge. So, mate,

449
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 4: how's that eight going? You know?

450
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Speaker 1: Really?

451
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

452
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Speaker 1: But I one of the great communicators.

453
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I was worried, you know why am

454
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Speaker 4: I risking all of this? And occasionally I ring tom

455
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Speaker 4: My Boss and I go, you know what, you made

456
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Speaker 4: a good call put me in there, because I reckon,

457
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Speaker 4: I'm actually pretty.

458
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Speaker 5: Good at this.

459
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Speaker 1: How long have you been doing the Morning Tree? Three

460
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Speaker 1: years now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

462
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Speaker 1: So the Morning Show? I mean I listened to it.

463
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Speaker 1: I'm unfortunately or fortunately I'm in the five thirty club,

464
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Speaker 1: and in fact I'm at the four thirty club. But

465
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Speaker 1: your five thirty club starts at five thirty club and

466
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Speaker 1: I and I actually listened to Who's on before you know?

467
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Speaker 1: It used to be Luke? Who's on before you Now?

468
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Speaker 4: Who's on? Jeffreys? Jeffers used to be Luke Luke Great.

469
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you used to be. But Mike Jeffreys on there

470
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Speaker 1: you're up nice and early. I know I am here.

471
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Speaker 1: I'm in the car. So as soon as I get

472
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Speaker 1: my car, I have the radio on in my house

473
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. And then now I get

474
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Speaker 1: in the car in the morning, the first thing I

475
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Speaker 1: was to turn the radio one. And because I just

476
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Speaker 1: like the idea of company and you know, like you're

477
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Speaker 1: you're one of the first people I hear talking. Was

478
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Speaker 1: just comforting to me to know that there's someone that

479
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Speaker 1: I know. I feel like you're talking to me. That's

480
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Speaker 1: how it feels to me. Anyway, I do want to

481
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Speaker 1: talk about some of the issues that we that you

482
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Speaker 1: talk about. I want to and some of you get

483
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Speaker 1: just still on that.

484
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Speaker 4: I'm the same. Like when I go to sleep now

485
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 4: I've become addicted. I need a voice in my ear.

486
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Speaker 1: I need I need the noise. Yeah, I need something yeah, yeah.

487
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Speaker 4: And so I listened to podcasts, but they can't be

488
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 4: podcasts that are too interesting. Yeah, they might need to

489
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Speaker 4: listen to in daylight hours because they keep me awake.

490
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Speaker 4: So I listened to podcasts that I've already heard before,

491
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 4: and it's that comforting voice, a conversation I'm already familiar with.

492
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Speaker 4: So it's a powerful thing. It's a great it's a

493
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Speaker 4: great gift that I have to be in people's homes,

494
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Speaker 4: in people's beds, because some people to text me and go,

495
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Speaker 4: I'm laying here next to my missus. Well right, yeah, yeah,

496
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Speaker 4: But we're in a daily fight against Kyle and Jackie

497
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Speaker 4: O in Sydney, and usually on the ratings day it's

498
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Speaker 4: either me winning or then winning. And I'm number one

499
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Speaker 4: at the moment, which means chances are by the time

500
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Speaker 4: this podcast comes out, they'll be number one. Right, And

501
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 4: we've just accepted that. Kyle and Jackie O accept that.

502
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Speaker 4: I accept that, and we exchange nice messages amongst each other.

503
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Speaker 4: But I reckon I work harder right, and this will

504
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Speaker 4: get under skin. I reckon the reason what I work

505
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Speaker 4: harder right, So I'm going to do. Kyle has got

506
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Speaker 4: this Kyle extraordinary personality, right, he does, and he's captivating

507
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: his controversial is everything. But guess what made I work harder?

508
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Speaker 4: So hard work you can catch up to people around

509
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Speaker 4: the edges?

510
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Speaker 1: Did you have to catch up to him before we so?

511
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Speaker 4: In other words, I don't know. I started at number one, yep.

512
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 4: I stayed at number one for about a year, then

513
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 4: they knocked me off. Then I came straight back up

514
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Speaker 4: in the next survey, and then ever since it's a seesaw, right,

515
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: and that's fine, number one, number two. There's lots of

516
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Speaker 4: radio shows out there who never going to be number one,

517
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Speaker 4: and saying the Sydney market where I work, some of

518
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Speaker 4: these people and my friends who they might be number three,

519
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Speaker 4: number four, they still do great shows. So I'm very

520
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Speaker 4: lucky I started on the number one radio station in town.

521
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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't build this thing. It's not like you.

522
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 4: You've built this thing yourself, right. I turned up at

523
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Speaker 4: a radio station that's got heaps of listeners.

524
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about that, then, let's just talk about

525
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Speaker 1: it's not it's a band for Botom show, got it,

526
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: but it's not just Ben for them. So in your team,

527
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Speaker 1: just explain to us how you go about building your

528
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Speaker 1: show for tomorrow morning fragum and say what actually happened.

529
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Speaker 4: What happens? Well, first of all, I have got the

530
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Speaker 4: best team of producers, and I have consistently had the

531
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Speaker 4: best team of producers in the country.

532
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Speaker 1: What does a team of producers mean.

533
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Speaker 4: Well, it means first of all, young talented people who

534
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Speaker 4: helped me put a show together. But the way that

535
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Speaker 4: I've done that is I've I created a work experience

536
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Speaker 4: program when I started to GB because they didn't have one,

537
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Speaker 4: Because I said, where are you going to find the

538
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Speaker 4: superstars of tomorrow if you don't have a program. So

539
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Speaker 4: we got rid of a couch and put a desk

540
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Speaker 4: in there with a phone and a computer. And basically,

541
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Speaker 4: anyone who wants to come and do one day of

542
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Speaker 4: work experience on my radio show, they can come and

543
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Speaker 4: do it one day. If they show promise, if we

544
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Speaker 4: are interested in them, they can come back another day.

545
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Speaker 4: And then from there it builds where we start giving

546
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Speaker 4: them some paid work and then they go into a

547
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Speaker 4: system of people who we know are there for when

548
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Speaker 4: we need them. It's like a pathways.

549
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Speaker 1: It's a discovery system for you.

550
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Speaker 4: It's a discovery system, right because otherwise, what I noticed

551
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Speaker 4: is that when I was working Channel nine, I was

552
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Speaker 4: working at a Current Affair for years and years and years,

553
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Speaker 4: and the boss there, David Hurley, who I love Hurls,

554
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: used to walk out, Yah, Buris has quit, does anyone

555
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Speaker 4: know anyone? And there'd be a thousand cvs sitting on

556
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Speaker 4: his desk, but he didn't have time to go through them.

557
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Speaker 4: I thought, I need a system. So I've got these

558
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Speaker 4: brilliant producers, and you know, I've met some of them

559
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Speaker 4: on street corners. I've met one of them was a

560
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Speaker 4: talkback coller. He was a talkback caller who he turned

561
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Speaker 4: into a producer. You never know where you're going to

562
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Speaker 4: find them. And then we have a WhatsApp group, and

563
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Speaker 4: I've got a rule which is if it's not in

564
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Speaker 4: the WhatsApp group, it didn't happen. So it's like if

565
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Speaker 4: you spot something. If you see something, you put it

566
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Speaker 4: in the WhatsApp group. And then every night I then

567
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Speaker 4: go through that WhatsApp group and I work out what

568
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Speaker 4: all the options are and we put a show together.

569
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Speaker 4: And then sometimes you wake up the next morning and

570
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 4: the queen's died overnight. God rest his soul, and so

571
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Speaker 4: you throw out the entire show and you start again

572
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Speaker 4: on the morning. The Queen died. I think we managed

573
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Speaker 4: to track down four prime ministers. So we had Scott Morrison,

574
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Speaker 4: Tony Abbott, Kevin rud and another. I need to work

575
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Speaker 4: out who the other one was. So easy, it's about chasing.

576
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Speaker 4: Let's chase who can we get who can we sell

577
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Speaker 4: a lot of it as dynamic and.

578
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Speaker 1: So you go to a five point thirty. So just

579
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Speaker 1: give us, by the way, give us an example of

580
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Speaker 1: what happened so on that on that on the occasion.

581
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Speaker 1: So the night before you probably got your show set,

582
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Speaker 1: you had your talent set on you what's our group?

583
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: And you know you've gone well and so go and

584
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: chase this personality chase and you've started lining your talent

585
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Speaker 1: up because you've got to fill up the hours for

586
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Speaker 1: enough three and enough hours, Queen Dies, What time do

587
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Speaker 1: you get to work that day?

588
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Speaker 4: I woke up at normal time three ten yep and

589
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Speaker 4: a young bo Spiro Chris, who works with me, one

590
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: of your producers, teenager. He was doing the night shift

591
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Speaker 4: for us. I also created a night role where someone

592
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 4: works at night, so that if stuff happens at night,

593
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: there across it. He put a note in the WhatsApp

594
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Speaker 4: group saying all of the presenters on the BBC are

595
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Speaker 4: wearing black right like us, Like us, that's a sign

596
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Speaker 4: that the media is aware that the queen may have

597
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 4: passed or is about to pass. So that was all

598
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Speaker 4: I knew. All the BBC presenters are wearing bodies.

599
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Speaker 1: So when you wake up a three time in the morning,

600
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: is that the first thing you do is the first

601
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Speaker 1: thing I see you pick up with your phone on my.

602
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Speaker 4: Phone, I walk downstairs, have a look at what's going on,

603
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: send a few messages back and then jump in the shower.

604
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Speaker 4: So that morning I was like, okay, dump everything. We

605
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Speaker 4: had to change everything, and then we need to we

606
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Speaker 4: need people live out of London. I've just thought of

607
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: the fourth Prime Minister. Was it's our current one album?

608
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: So it was yeah, Albo, Scamo, Abbott Rad getting them

609
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Speaker 4: on and sharing their reflections of.

610
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Speaker 1: So what would happen though, So you would be would

611
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Speaker 1: ring them all.

612
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: I'd be on most of those guys. I'm texting them.

613
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: You know them, So I.

614
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: Text them and say sorry if you're just hearing this

615
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: for the first time, but the Queen's passed away, I'd

616
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: like to be able to talk to you about it

617
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: on radio once you've gathered your thoughts or whatever, so

618
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: my team will also be chasing. Like I'll give you

619
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: another example of breaking news and the way it works.

620
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Speaker 4: There was a girl in Western Australia called Cleo who

621
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Speaker 4: went missing. She was taken out of a tent and

622
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 4: I remember saying to my guys, listen, I want an

623
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: update on this every day, and they'd say there's no

624
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Speaker 4: update today. I'm like, I don't care. It's day fourteen.

625
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: Where's Cleo. I still want to know, Like this little

626
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Speaker 4: girl she's missing on the other side of the country,

627
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: I want to know where she is. And then on

628
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Speaker 4: about day eighteen, my producer at the time or executive

629
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Speaker 4: producer at the time, wandered into the studio and just

630
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Speaker 4: gave me a piece of paper. So I was in

631
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Speaker 4: the middle of an interview about something else, say, I'm

632
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: talking to Mark Blewis about interest rates, and they just

633
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: come in to hand me a piece of paper and

634
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Speaker 4: it's got West Australian Police and it's a statement about

635
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Speaker 4: Cleo Smith. So I wrapped up the interview, said Mark,

636
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: thanks for your time, appreciated. It's twenty five past seven.

637
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: Now I've got this, and I just started reading it. Now.

638
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: I don't know whether this is going to say that

639
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: we've found her, we've discovered that something terrible has happened

640
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: to you. I don't know. I haven't pre read it.

641
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: And then I'm reading it and it gets to the

642
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: part of the office is knocked on the went end

643
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: of the room and I'll say, young lady, what's your name?

644
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: And she didn't answer, and they said what's your name, sweetheart?

645
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: And she said, my name is Cleo and that was

646
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Speaker 4: written in this thing, and you go, holy moly, you know,

647
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: like I just started to boreing my eyes out long

648
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: on air because I've got little girls at home. You know.

649
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: It was one of those moments of and then the

650
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: whole show changes. Then I'm like, right, let's get Mick

651
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: four on the South Wales's Police commissioner. Right, Mick, what

652
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: with the WA? Because I thought I'm not going to

653
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Speaker 4: get the bloke in WA. He's in the middle of this.

654
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: Mick says, actually, I have contacted I've spoken to him.

655
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: He's been bulling his eyes out, you know. Okay, we've

656
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: got some new information. The WA police commissioner has been

657
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: builing his eyes out. How do we know our mate

658
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: Mick Fuller's told us he's jumped on the line, you know,

659
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: so you just respond, You react, and you get as

660
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: many different people and insights onto a story like that,

661
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: and if you feel like you're there when it's all unfolding.

662
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 4: And this goes back to the companionship thing. So many

663
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: people wrote to me and said, mate, I couldn't get

664
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: out of the car. I pull up a work twenty

665
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: five past seven. I've got to be in there at

666
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: seven third. Couldn't leave because you've got to listen to it.

667
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: I want to listen to the radio is great like that.

668
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: Radio is resilient like that that I can find something

669
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: out at six twenty six and four seconds and I'm

670
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: saying it at five seconds one second. It's as long

671
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: as it takes it for you to open your mouth

672
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: and you're saying it. The reason I moved more into

673
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: radio because I'm a bit add and the reason I

674
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: favored radio more than TV is in TV, you'd have

675
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: to go, all right, we need to get the camera

676
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 4: crew to go to Canarvon. Oh, we've got it there,

677
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: have we got the link truck? How do we let it?

678
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of that stuff involved. In radio, Mate,

679
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: there's something special like this, It just happens, just happens.

680
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 6: Like you can go on to Rogan and pretty much

681
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 6: talk about yourself for three hours and he'll just kind.

682
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Of let you yeah, which is sort of what yeah,

683
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: both of us do.

684
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, exactly. We're not interested in having someone

685
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 6: there to tell them what we think.

686
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: That's a podcast.

687
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how podcasts work. And that's why podcasts are

688
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 6: in dex so much higher for women than they do

689
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 6: for men. And that's why for us at mum and MEA,

690
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 6: so much of our business is built on audio and

691
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 6: on our podcast network.

692
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: Can I go back to momome then? Just Yeah kicked off.

693
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 6: Early two thousands, two thousand and eight, actually yeah, seven sorry,

694
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 6: two thousand of yet started as a blog, yeap.

695
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Just me blogs is a thing. Yeah.

696
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 6: It was just someone writing on the internet, really and

697
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 6: it wasn't a personal blog, so it was always going

698
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 6: to be about, you know, just what I wanted to

699
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: write about, really, what I thought might be interesting to people,

700
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 6: because back in that time there were women's women's websites

701
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 6: were like they were very net specific. They were about cooking,

702
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 6: or they're about gossip, or they're about fashion, or they're

703
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 6: about parenting, and I was interested in all of these things,

704
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 6: but I was also interested in news and pop culture,

705
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 6: and every other woman I know was not just interested

706
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 6: in one of those things. So it made sense to

707
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 6: me to have a blog and then a website and

708
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: our media company that covers all of those things, because

709
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: this idea of women's issues through a different looking at

710
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: the world through a female lens versus women's issues. All

711
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 6: issues are women's issues, but what we do at Mum

712
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 6: and mea I guess, is look at it through a

713
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 6: female lens, because most of the media tends to look

714
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 6: at it through a mail lens, just by virtue of

715
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: the fact that most media companies, in fact, pretty much

716
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 6: all media companies are run by man. So I just saw,

717
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 6: you know, a gap in the market, and then I

718
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 6: established that there was a market in that gap. And

719
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 6: then I'd been growing an audience. But I was a

720
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 6: one woman operator, and I was completely exhausted, and my

721
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 6: husband had sold his business. He'd been in the liquor

722
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 6: industry and he was looking for something to invest his

723
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 6: time in, and he'd sold his company, and so he

724
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 6: came on board as a co founder. After about eighteen months,

725
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 6: and he said, let's try and monetize this in the

726
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 6: next twelve months, or because I hadn't earn a cent

727
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 6: in two years, or it's time to you know, it's

728
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 6: going to be time to get another job, because we've

729
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 6: got a mortgage to pay. And so he came on

730
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 6: board and we did. We monetized it. We were profitable,

731
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 6: I think in that first year, which was not as

732
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 6: impressive as it sounds, because it was just him and

733
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 6: me and we weren't earning any money. There was no

734
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: else to pay, so we were profitable. But then we

735
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 6: just slowly moved into a little tiny office and slowly

736
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 6: started hiring people. And of course nobody wanted to really

737
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 6: come and do this thing. The internet was still a

738
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 6: bit untested, and yeah, we we just grew from there

739
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 6: and now we've got about one hundred and fifty people,

740
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 6: and yeah, we're sort of a pretty big not a

741
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 6: small business anymore.

742
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Speaker 1: When two people husband and wife's yeah, at the coffee

743
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: table or whatever, the kitchen table, and often wonder about

744
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: let's say, at that stage, husband wasn't involved and you

745
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: were doing your blogs. Often what it is a blog

746
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: for some people therapy that's.

747
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 6: A really interesting it was for some people. I think

748
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 6: what was amazing about the rise of blogging, particularly the

749
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 6: parenting bloggers of around that time, which I never was,

750
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: but I was very influenced by them. It was this

751
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 6: very flourishing way of women to communicate to other women

752
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 6: in a way where there was no gatekeeper, so there

753
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 6: wasn't no edit, and there was no one saying, well,

754
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 6: that's interesting to people or that's not interesting to people,

755
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 6: and there was no goal is that going to be

756
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 6: interesting to enough people to be able to monetize it

757
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 6: through advertising. It was just women expressing how they felt

758
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 6: about things, and it was an amazing time. It was

759
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 6: fairly short lived, but it was an amazing time. And

760
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 6: for me, I wasn't interested in writing personally, particularly, but

761
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 6: I was interested in being the one. I'd been an

762
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 6: editor for so long and then an editor in chief

763
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 6: with lots of magazines under me ACP, and I'd been

764
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 6: sort of managing people and teaching other people and editing

765
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 6: other people for so long. I've spent a lot of

766
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 6: my career climbing up the ladder because I'm very ambitious,

767
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 6: but then realizing I don't really like it up there,

768
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 6: and climbing back down and wanting to get back to

769
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: the cold face without anyone between me and an audience,

770
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 6: and just wanting to communicate directly. And that's what I love,

771
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 6: And ironically I'm in the process of that at the

772
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 6: moment again, de escalating, coming back to the cold face

773
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 6: where I can just create directly for an audience.

774
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: And what are the signs that you and your husband

775
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: saw that either encouraged him or you to think how

776
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to He's going to take on the co

777
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: founder role and we're going to monetize this. What did

778
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: you say exactly? What it was?

779
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 6: No, there were probably about ten thousand or more people

780
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 6: coming every day to read what I was writing. I

781
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 6: was doing about six posts a day on my own

782
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 6: per day. Per day I was there were thousands of comments.

783
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 6: I was moderating every single comment. Like I had no

784
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 6: one to work for me. It was literally me walking

785
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 6: around with my laptop in my house and then I

786
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: had another baby during that time. But the reason that

787
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 6: he realized there was something there is because I kept

788
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 6: getting approached by private equity who wanted to start things

789
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 6: and get me to run them for them.

790
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: And he would come with it.

791
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was something. There was a big thing at

792
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 6: the time called Daily Candy Out of the US, which

793
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: was a daily email that would like do a roundup

794
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 6: of the best kind of deals and fashion things and

795
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 6: various things. And so everyone wanted to to get into

796
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 6: this women's digital space. And so I'd get Jason to

797
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 6: come to these meetings with me and Jason Levine being

798
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 6: my husband, and and you know, we went to a

799
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 6: couple and it was like, why on earth would we

800
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 6: go and work for these clowns to make something for

801
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 6: women when I know how to do this. Let's just

802
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 6: we're doing it like so that that's where he was like, well,

803
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 6: if they can see something in it. And he was

804
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 6: starting at Harvard at the time, and he used Mama

805
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 6: Mea as because he didn't have his business. He just

806
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 6: sold his business before he'd started this three year Harvard course,

807
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 6: and he used Mama Mea as A as a model

808
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 6: because they had to sort of being their business. Yeah,

809
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 6: not a case study, but they had to plug in

810
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 6: their own businesses to these things they were learning. And

811
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 6: he used Mama Maha at the time, and it just

812
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 6: made him see the potential there. And I was getting

813
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 6: all these approaches but I didn't have the bandwidth or

814
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 6: the skills to be honest, to monetize any any of

815
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 6: the approaches I was getting. So for a while, you know,

816
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 6: he was managing me and people would get me to

817
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 6: come and you know, they wanted me to be the

818
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 6: brand ambassador for their whatever, and he would do those

819
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 6: deals and then he's like, there's there's a business here potentially,

820
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 6: and he could see that I was completely burning out

821
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 6: and I didn't have a capacity to monetize it myself.

822
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 6: And I also didn't I didn't have a business plan.

823
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 6: I didn't know how to do a business plan. He

824
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 6: was like, what's what's your exit? You're not and I'm like,

825
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 6: I don't know. Rupert Merticle, come along and buy me

826
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 6: and he's like, buy what it's You're on your laptop,

827
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 6: there's nothing to buy. And I was like I couldn't.

828
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 6: I couldn't see that because I was just so caught

829
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 6: up in it. And he was the one that's always

830
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 6: had the vision. I've always been really good at this,

831
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 6: and he's always been the one that can see over

832
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 6: the horizon and been like, nomma, men needs to be

833
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 6: a website that you edit, And I'm like, oh no,

834
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 6: that'll never work, or he's like, mum and me needs

835
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 6: to and I'm like, oh no, that'll never work, and

836
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 6: then he's right, and he's right, and he's right. So

837
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 6: we've been a really good combination, whereas he's very much

838
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 6: steered the business and the financial side of it and

839
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 6: everything other than the content, and I've steered the content

840
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 6: and it's worked, you know, really well for seventeen years

841
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 6: and one of the most dangerous times for any startup.

842
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 6: And I'm much more suited to start up culture, I've realized,

843
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 6: but he always had much bigger ambitions and the most

844
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 6: dangerous time for a business we learned was oh we

845
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 6: knew was going from startup to scale up because culturally

846
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 6: it's a big shift. The people that you hire as

847
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 6: generalists you then move to needing specialists. It's a big

848
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 6: risk moving up. And he managed us through that. Who

849
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 6: was now he's been an outstanding CEO, managing through all

850
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 6: of those rocky waters and through COVID and through we

851
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 6: tried to you know, not everything we've done has worked.

852
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 6: We tried to expand into the US, that didn't work,

853
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 6: so we closed that down and decided to really focus

854
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 6: here but probably the biggest thing for us was when

855
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 6: Facebook told everybody to pivot to video. They told publishers

856
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 6: to pivot to video, and everybody sacked their riders, invested

857
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 6: all this money, started making video, pivoted, and then Facebook

858
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 6: quent ah yeah nah yeah, And that was sort of

859
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 6: the beginning of the end for the buzzfeeds, the vices,

860
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 6: and they just ended up getting more and more investment,

861
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 6: more and more, needing more and more, doing bigger and

862
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 6: bigger cat raisers to fund this bigger and bigger expansion.

863
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 6: And because we've never done that, we've always been in

864
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 6: control of our own destiny. And that's a decision that

865
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 6: Jason made because he knew that, you know, and I

866
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 6: would say, come, they've got all this cup raising and

867
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 6: we don't, and He's like, it means that we can

868
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 6: make the best decisions for our business. So when everyone

869
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 6: pivoted to video, we actually pivoted to audio, and that

870
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: was before most people knew what a podcast was, and

871
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 6: that ended up being a really, really good decision for us.

872
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: So I just want the co founder thing because often

873
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: people say to me, do I need to co founder?

874
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: Or some people come to me and say I knew

875
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: the co founder because they heard someone else say that

876
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: you need a co founder.

877
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 6: Well, I needed a co founder.

878
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: Well is it better to say, though, mere that I'm

879
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: really good at this, but I'm also good at those things.

880
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: Those things are important in my business. In the business, therefore,

881
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: I'll find a co founder can do those things. Because

882
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, my old man is my dad uses always

883
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: say just always put up on a whiteboard what you're

884
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: good at and what, but equally, you be honest what

885
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: your crap at and you know, and I often say

886
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: my various businesses, and I've always had my brother involved,

887
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: my younger brother involved as a lawyer. I say, I cut,

888
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: he shows and you know, nice and if because he's

889
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: he's really good at stitching things up, making really nice

890
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: and neat and tighty and relevant, et cetera. Not in

891
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: terms of content, but just in terms of structure, finances.

892
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 6: Car needs a break in an accelerator totally, they are.

893
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: So did you did you me or sort of recognize

894
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: that your husband had those qualities.

895
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 6: Yes, I knew that I couldn't do because I was

896
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 6: just all I knew I was really really good at

897
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 6: this one thing, but I was not. There was this

898
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 6: whole other thing that not only was I not good at,

899
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 6: wasn't interested in coming to it, at it, I didn't

900
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 6: enjoy it. It wasn't a good use of my time

901
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 6: doing this thing that I didn't understand or wasn't good at.

902
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 6: And so for me, not only did Jakes have skills

903
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 6: that I didn't have in terms of business and finance,

904
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 6: but he also had a different mindset because I have

905
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 6: a high I have a low boredom threshold and a

906
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 6: high appetite for risk. He is more cautious, and I

907
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 6: think that has been in a business. If you just

908
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 6: have unharnessed ambition or unharnessed risk appetite, that's really dangerous.

909
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Both of you're risky.

910
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 6: Yeah you can't. And so I think you know the

911
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 6: best partnerships. And I've always said, you know, I ran

912
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 6: this whole course part of the business for many years

913
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 6: called Lady Startup, which is about helping women start businesses

914
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 6: and about the co founder thing. I would always say

915
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 6: exactly what you've said, which is either partner with someone

916
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: who has different strengths to you or higher if you

917
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 6: can afford to. And the problem is that most people

918
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 6: their co founders will be like a friend or a

919
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 6: sister or something and I had you know, they'll say, oh,

920
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 6: this is my co founder. We're really different, like I'm this,

921
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 6: and it's like your differences are like this. You need

922
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 6: differences that are like this, like whether you're really you know,

923
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 6: you look at some of the most successful partnerships in

924
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 6: Australian business, NICKI and Simone Zimmermann, you know, clothing zimmm

925
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 6: and sisters Yeah, Nick creative, Nicole is I think a

926
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 6: lawyer by trade or maybe an accountant and so you know,

927
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 6: they're very clear about who does what. And I think

928
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 6: that that's been that's been the key for me and Jason.

929
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 6: There's no way I could have done this without him,

930
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 6: and you know he would have done something else without me,

931
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 6: but it wouldn't have been this.

932
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: So an important point here though, and I've seen this

933
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: happen with people, especially husband and wife or a boyfriend, girlfriend,

934
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: or brother and sister, etc. Brothers and sisters. If you

935
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: have somebody like you say, with your skills and things

936
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: you like doing and with a high appetite for risk,

937
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: you say, and this is sort of what you're explaining

938
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: to me. You say, look, I want to do this,

939
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: and he will come back and he'll say, well, wait

940
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: a minute, let's just check this out and do a

941
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: bit of analysis on and blah blah blah.

942
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 6: Cut once.

943
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: But would you ever get to the point where you'd say, well,

944
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: hang on, don't you believe in me? Like this is

945
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: what I believe in. Do you ever get to the

946
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: point and say I just want you to believe in me,

947
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: And he's going to say, well, hang on, I do

948
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: believe in you, but my role is correct. Now how

949
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: do you deal with that little a small conflict there?

950
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: But what happened counseling.

951
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 6: It's really interesting. We've come to really like I bristle

952
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 6: at being held back, and he bristles at me running

953
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 6: headlong into something passionately. But what we've learned over the

954
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 6: years is that is to trust each other. Like it's

955
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 6: been proven time and time again that my instincts when

956
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 6: I want to run hard at something I can't often explain.

957
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 6: Like with podcasts, there was no business model. I just

958
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 6: knew that it was something we had to do. And

959
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 6: I remember getting up in a leadership team meeting and

960
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 6: explaining pot and they all kind of like laughed at

961
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 6: me and whatever, and I'm like, no, guys like take

962
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 6: this in. It's like, oh mea' Like we've got our

963
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 6: business plan. We can't we do it. This is our strategy.

964
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: We can't.

965
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 6: And I'm like, and so I'll just go off and

966
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 6: do it on my own. It's like Lady Startup. I

967
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 6: just Jase walked past my office one day and I

968
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 6: was on the floor and I was cutting things up,

969
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 6: or maybe it was the Very Pery Summit and I

970
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 6: was whatever, and he's like, oh, babe, you know what

971
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 6: are you doing? What's and I said, and he goh,

972
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 6: what's the business plan? I'm like, I'm not sure, Like

973
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 6: what's the revenue attached to it? And I'm like, I'm

974
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 6: not sure, but I'm sure I'll find it. And I

975
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 6: always have. So, whether it's been podcasts, the Very Pery

976
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 6: Summit that I did, or the Lady Startup course Verry Menopause. Yeah,

977
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 6: so they've all been like multimillion dollar become multimillion dollar

978
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 6: parts of our business. But they didn't start off going

979
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 6: how can we make a lot of money. It's been

980
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 6: I've gone what walking in her shoes? What do women want?

981
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Okay?

982
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 6: And then we find a way to make it financially

983
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 6: viable to actually do it because we're not a charity

984
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 6: where where a purpose driven business, and our purpose is

985
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: to make the world a better place for women and girls.

986
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 6: So I'm always looking at what can I make that

987
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 6: fulfills that purpose.

988
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: So I need to know from you. I like, how

989
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: do you do it? Like I mean, it's it's a

990
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: big question to get it. But you know, you lost

991
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: a couple of players last year, you lost a couple

992
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: players before you just keep I don't know whether is

993
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: it because you've got a good nursery of people out there?

994
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: What's is there a secret?

995
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: Not that.

996
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell you that.

997
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think we we have a great club

998
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 7: for starters. It's very well aligned from the very top

999
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 7: through management on the board and all our coaching staff

1000
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 7: all the way through the players. And that's easy to say,

1001
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 7: but it's harder to do, you know. And that's probably

1002
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 7: our greatest strength as the club, so assistance we have

1003
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 7: in place respected by everyone, and then they followed. We

1004
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 7: do have a great nursery of players as well. We

1005
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 7: have a good pathway system. But some of the players

1006
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 7: we have lost, you will never be able to replace them.

1007
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 7: You know. If I've mentioned guys like Philly Army, Kick

1008
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 7: our Appy Cross, our Stephen Crichton, I'm special, Len you

1009
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 7: like and now Fish and Ray.

1010
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 5: You can't replace those guys.

1011
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: Like for like, you know, I've forgot to be a

1012
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: kid going and yeah, right, like.

1013
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 7: And there's burden before that it was yeah, like it's

1014
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 7: just been unbelievable any more.

1015
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 5: Like, but.

1016
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 7: You know what we do have is we have an

1017
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 7: incredible leaders in our team led by Nat and as

1018
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 7: a l and still have a lot of talent on

1019
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 7: our team. But we you know, each year these boys

1020
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 7: grow together, the chemistry the ones that stay become stronger,

1021
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 7: and it say as I said that we have good systems,

1022
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 7: you know, good chemistry and good staff and whoever comes

1023
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 7: in has seen you know, there's a legacy that those

1024
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 7: guys that leave leave and you know it's easier for

1025
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 7: them to transition into the role. So it's it's a

1026
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 7: never ending search to try and keep doing this and

1027
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 7: we've got to do it again next year and we

1028
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 7: haven't done it yet, So that's going to be the

1029
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 7: challenge that we I guess we just step into each

1030
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 7: and every day.

1031
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: We don't never live in the past.

1032
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 7: And so this point it's it's working for us, but

1033
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 7: we also know that you know it could you know,

1034
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 7: if you don't keep behind on the ball, it can

1035
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 7: change quickly.

1036
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: So but a bit of you but you always and

1037
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: you know you know the roster obviously, you know the roster,

1038
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: You know the salary cap, you know which you can

1039
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: and can't fit, you know who's kind of for renewal,

1040
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: et cetera. Are you do you do you actually sit

1041
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: back and plan with a team or is it ivan clear?

1042
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: He does it like a kid who's in seventeen. He's

1043
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: looking pretty good. He's in the New Soths Origin team

1044
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: or with Queens on Origins, wherever it is. He's coming through.

1045
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: The pro says he is a good marker for to

1046
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: replace Isaiah when he leaves, and yeah, tires.

1047
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's definitely that sort of stuff going on. It

1048
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 7: just sometimes it depends because it comes a bit quicker

1049
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 7: than you think. You know, we never really wanted, you know,

1050
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 7: anticipated guys like you know, Stephen Cricht and Spencereni to leave.

1051
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 7: But once again, we've been fortunate enough to you know,

1052
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 7: we've basically had a year to at least try and

1053
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 7: plan for those guys, and they've all stayed that extra

1054
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 7: year and played really well. We're always, you know, in

1055
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 7: the background, just trying to bring players through. We got

1056
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 7: lucky this year Paul Alamonti from the from the Bulldogs,

1057
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 7: and I think he went over and above what we

1058
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 7: ever thought he was going to do and he ended

1059
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 7: up starting in the Grand Final for us. So sometimes

1060
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 7: you get a bit of luck and they just you know,

1061
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 7: they fit better than you think. Or the fact that

1062
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 7: we were able to sign him was a shock to

1063
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 7: me that he was even available. So that, yeah, I guess,

1064
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 7: And that's I guess. One thing about you know, success,

1065
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, you get players you want to

1066
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 7: come to your club, you know whereas trust me, when

1067
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 7: I first got the panterth twelve years ago, that wasn't

1068
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 7: the case.

1069
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: He had one young fellow, something like Almoni, for example.

1070
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: Do you when he comes across, do you sort of

1071
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: look at him when he looked at his videos of

1072
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: his past previous games and sort of say, okay, I

1073
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: can improve you by doing these things or is it

1074
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: just improved by Birch or being in a side like this.

1075
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 5: Just it depends.

1076
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 7: I mean, for Paul Elmanic, Paul was He's only twenty now,

1077
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 7: so he's nineteen years older star as a junior. I

1078
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 7: was actually wondering what there must be something wrong with him,

1079
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 7: the fact that he's that we can actually sign him

1080
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 7: while the dogs are I let him go. But I

1081
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 7: guess they were just one a bit of a different track,

1082
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 7: looking for you quicker success, maybe i'd I don't know,

1083
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 7: but so I met him. You know, it's just one.

1084
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 7: He's got to fit, you know, he's got a fit characterise.

1085
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 7: That's really important.

1086
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

1087
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 7: I just want to get We want to get good

1088
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 7: characters of people who are going to fit our values.

1089
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 7: And not just good players, but good people who are

1090
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 7: going to train hard. They're going to be able to

1091
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 7: about to play the way we like to. They've got

1092
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 7: to be fit enough and all that kind of stuff.

1093
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: But do you actually set a set of values for

1094
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: the club for the.

1095
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 7: Well, I said, I originally set the culture, but the

1096
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 7: players have set the values.

1097
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they actually write them down some you know respect,

1098
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, like series of virtues.

1099
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got that was important. The players came up

1100
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 7: and we do it each and every year. We'll revisit

1101
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 7: them so if we have to adjust them or whatever.

1102
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: And then when someone comes in, like a new player

1103
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: comes into the club, would you sort of sit them

1104
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: down and say, meet the senior senior members of the team,

1105
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: the team and or and who takes us through these values? Dude,

1106
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: this is what we expect. How do you play the game?

1107
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 7: Like?

1108
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's It's not as formal as that, but it's definitely. Yeah.

1109
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 5: They find out pretty quick what's required.

1110
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 7: That's again, we have an amazing staff, but the players themselves,

1111
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 7: we have an incredible leadership group now in our team.

1112
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 7: You know, I've never seen anything like I've been lucky

1113
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 7: enough to be involved in anything like it. A lot

1114
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 7: of them have come through together, so that helps. And

1115
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 7: obviously the more experienced, the bigger the games. You know,

1116
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, there's evidence that this stuff works.

1117
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 7: And I think that you know, that helps as well.

1118
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: When I'm obviously watching the game and the energy and

1119
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: the momentum that comes with energy, especially in the second

1120
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: part of the second half on the weekend, it just

1121
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: looked like Penrith was ten years younger. And I don't

1122
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: mean that in a a bad way. I just mean

1123
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: that you guys look like younger, keener, more enthusiastic. I

1124
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: guess when Melbourne's try was just deflated him a bit,

1125
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: but you just you knew how to take advantage of that.

1126
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: You knew how to sort of keep the momentum that's

1127
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: you on the field. I mean ivans up there in

1128
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: the box sort of sending in structures out, But do

1129
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: you know immediately it's time to get on top a bit,

1130
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: we better take advantage of this.

1131
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 7: Uh.

1132
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1133
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 7: Usually I think it's more like your eyes just like

1134
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 7: a feel thing. It's probably not saying that we speak

1135
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 7: about too often on the field, but particularly people in

1136
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 7: the spine and the leaders sort of accelerate and go

1137
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 7: towards that. I think that's saying that we've been quite

1138
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 7: lucky to have over these last few years, as it

1139
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 7: sort of feels like we've got gears and.

1140
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: Us that we look like to me, you can go

1141
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: another year and probably had one or two in Yeah.

1142
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.

1143
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 7: It's probably been a bit frustrated this year that like

1144
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 7: we've always sort of just been like hanging in games

1145
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 7: and then once we get pushed, then we retaliated. We're like,

1146
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 7: all right, now we'll go up a gear. We haven't

1147
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 7: really blown away teams this year.

1148
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: Y she did in the in the first preliminary semi

1149
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: against the r That was the best game you goys

1150
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: I had for a long time.

1151
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: We knew we need to get to.

1152
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 7: It.

1153
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: Last game of Blue Bet. I was out there and god,

1154
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I just wish enjoy it. No, I didn't enjoy it all.

1155
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to wear, so but someone said,

1156
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: don't wear your suit. But it was actually great. It

1157
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: was a great atmosphere. It was rugby league what it

1158
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: used to be when I was a kid growing up.

1159
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me. It was just

1160
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: everyone's into it. I mean it's a pretty hostile crowd

1161
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: to be in front of. Yeah, they love playing the man.

1162
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, Well, it's just like going down to Melbourne.

1163
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: I guess it's the same feeling. But you guys actually

1164
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: did kick into a big gear. That was a big

1165
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: gear change, and then I think every game you played

1166
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: after that was a new gear. It looked like that,

1167
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: and then even in the Grand Final you look like

1168
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: you just kept increasing the gear, kept saying Okay, well

1169
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: you're going to match me. I'll go this way. You're

1170
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: going to match me, I'm going to go this way.

1171
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like to me. And I'm wondering

1172
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: about the leadership on the on the on the team,

1173
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: the boys. You guys, are you talking to which other

1174
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: you say, listen, let's just crack them again. Let's just

1175
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: put it into a harder Yeah.

1176
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 7: In a game like that, I think you fall back

1177
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 7: to your training and also experience. And I think all

1178
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 7: all of those as you're sort of talking about that

1179
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 7: all comes from our training. It's something we talk about

1180
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 7: our training constantly. The hard work we're put in. We

1181
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 7: know that it's going to pay us back when we

1182
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 7: need it. Because when you're actually in the moment, it's

1183
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 7: like everyone's pretty fatigued and just sort of trying to

1184
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 7: gel together, but everything's happening so fast, so you probably

1185
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 7: don't get time to say that in the moment, but

1186
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 7: he sort of get looks at each other and sort

1187
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 7: of know that it's time to step.

1188
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 5: It up a bit.

1189
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that with us as.

1190
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 7: A group, through experience, that sort of feel of it

1191
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 7: has been that we just haven't even had to speak about.

1192
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: Now.

1193
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 7: It's sort of sort of know that you need etcetera.

1194
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 7: And particularly in Grand Final, you know that well yeah, yeah,

1195
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 7: and it's something that's combinations experience, experiencing big games. I

1196
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 7: think that's probably when I felt at the most on

1197
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 7: Sunday night, where you didn't even really need to say

1198
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 7: stuff to each other, just knew what was required and

1199
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 7: what was going to happen.

1200
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a big rep here and

1201
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. The rep you deserve, but

1202
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: obviously you deserve it. But tell me if I was

1203
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: thinking is wrong. So someone said to me the other day, Ah,

1204
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, just before the game, Bellamy's a genius, blah

1205
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: blah blah, and he is. He's a great coach. Billik

1206
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: is a great coach. And I said, well, you know

1207
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: what's interesting, I think Craig Greg Bellamy looks for weaknesses

1208
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: and teams and exploits weakness. He's very good exploiting weakness.

1209
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: He'll work out where's a weakness and he'll play it

1210
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: that all night until he gets through. And I said,

1211
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: on the other hand, Ivans, I don't know if Ivan's

1212
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: like that, but I think Ivan is really good at

1213
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: getting the best out of his team. And the question

1214
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: then becomes, is the coach who can identify weakness working

1215
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: out his strategies to go to the weakness better than

1216
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 1: the coach who can get the best out of every

1217
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: player on the team, and I sort of I felt

1218
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: like that's the way the game was played. And I

1219
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: think Bellamy was trying to find weaknesses. He's maybe your

1220
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: shoulder or whatever the case would be, but he couldn't

1221
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: find it, and seemed like to me that they got

1222
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: frustrated watching it on Telly. I'm talking about it, especially

1223
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: when I watched the second time. It looked like they

1224
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: were getting frustrated that they think we can't find a weakness.

1225
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you guys are just getting

1226
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: the best out of each other. That's what it looked

1227
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: like to me. Is there any am I anywhere near

1228
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: that we're just making shit up? Because that's how I felt.

1229
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 4: I don't know it was deliberate, but what I will

1230
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 4: say is if you look at.

1231
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 7: The Melbourne style, there's not a lot of weakness, so

1232
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 7: I couldn't sort of find you find weakness in them,

1233
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 7: So yeah, you're probably right. You end up spending more time,

1234
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 7: you know, on your own team, which I think we

1235
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 7: do it most of the time. There'll be some games

1236
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 7: throughout the year there might be a team that's littered

1237
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 7: with injuries or down on form or whatever, where it's

1238
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 7: a bit easier to actually find a weakness. And you know,

1239
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 7: those types of games, you might zero went on that

1240
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 7: kind of stuff a bit more. But for this game

1241
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 7: against this type of opposition and the bigger the games

1242
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 7: is I think handling you know, basically your head space is.

1243
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 5: Something that we've worked a lot a lot on.

1244
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 7: And each and every player you know will tell you

1245
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 7: it's a bit the bigger the games and the bigger

1246
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 7: the pressure, it's different, you know, and and it becomes

1247
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 7: more than just playing football. You know, it's about playing yourself,

1248
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 7: you know, in a lot of ways. So spend a

1249
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 7: lot of time on that and and I guess that's

1250
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 7: that's that's one big way of trying to get the

1251
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 7: best out of everyone.

1252
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: But do do you sort of say to yourself, Papen

1253
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: Hourison's quick, we don't give him space.

1254
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 7: Do you go through those processes that were, yeah, well

1255
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 7: we'll we'll generally talk about, you know, the opposition, where

1256
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 7: they what their strengths are, how they like to play,

1257
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 7: you know, if they've got a certain style or whatever,

1258
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 7: and a lot of spend a lot of time on

1259
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 7: that each and every guy knows the players they're up

1260
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 7: against and their own nuances and that type of stuff.

1261
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of work that goes in around

1262
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 7: you know, and knowing your enemy, but probably more work

1263
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 7: and more time built right throughout the season on making

1264
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 7: sure that on the biggest day you know we're going

1265
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 7: to we can play our best footing, so sort.

1266
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: Of getting you to peak at the right time too.

1267
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, you did mention this is this is not really

1268
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 7: it wasn't really a plan. But we hit the finals

1269
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 7: in fairly average form. I'd say, we're actually just trying

1270
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 7: to give you, the roosters, a false sense of hopefully

1271
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 7: you did, but like, yeah, I just think the boys

1272
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 7: knew that. They just knew we had nothing come back,

1273
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 7: which is obviously fair help. But they just kind of

1274
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 7: they just went up a level. You could see their

1275
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 7: training and that gives me a great confidence how we

1276
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 7: prepare and it was just like that week of preparation

1277
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 7: was like that was completely different to what we've been doing,

1278
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 7: and it showed out in the field.

1279
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: But it wasn't to different preparations, just that they were ready.

1280
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.

1281
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 7: It wasn't really different, but they just went up a

1282
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 7: notch and just in terms of intensity it was different. Yeah,

1283
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 7: And that's where that's where it all comes from. The

1284
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 7: intensity which you train, I think is probably the biggest

1285
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 7: indicator of how you're going to play.

1286
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: Especially like Grand Final, that that Grand Final build and

1287
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: getting the intensity for the Grand vol because they've had

1288
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: experienced at it, so much experience at it. Now, how

1289
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: much effective do you think that plays in? Because it

1290
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: looks like you guys got so much patience, Like like

1291
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: you got you're not panicking at any stage, You're not

1292
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: starting to do crazy shit like oh shit, we better

1293
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: start throwing the board with you know, like you know,

1294
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean like it looks like you've got patience.

1295
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I think that that's sort of what you

1296
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 7: touched on, Like it's knowing that sort of our best

1297
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 7: is going to be anyone else and having that little

1298
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 7: bit of confidence in that.

1299
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 5: And I think we actual had a discussion earlier in

1300
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 5: the week.

1301
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 7: We were training and went up to that AFTERO and

1302
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 7: we sort of spoke and just felt like we'll maybe

1303
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 7: focusing a bit too much on Melbourne rather than just

1304
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 7: focusing on ourselves and getting our game one hundred percent

1305
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 7: right and for the rest of the week, we sort

1306
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 7: of zoned in on that and constantly telling each other that,

1307
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 7: you know, if we bring our best game, it's we're

1308
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 7: definitely going to be in the fight. But I believe

1309
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 7: that that we're going to win it. And I think

1310
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 7: that helps with knowing that if we train well. Again,

1311
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 7: it comes back to that preparation. If you train well,

1312
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 7: that's what gives you confidence for the game, and that

1313
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 7: feeling was definitely there with just the intensity and taking

1314
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 7: it to another level.

1315
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly Grand Final. I'm sitting here, I'm thinking himself.

1316
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: They're both good looking dudes. One four Grand Finals. They're

1317
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: like the father's got the perfect son and brother and

1318
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: your other children too as well, and perfect wife because

1319
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: he's got a great relationship with his wife. The son

1320
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: singing I got the perfect dad. Like what the hell? Like,

1321
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: what there must be? Is there a chink anyway? You

1322
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: but everything? It's like, do you ever think yourself? I

1323
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: know this is like I don't want anything to change.

1324
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was only last time we spoke as

1325
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 7: any of that was after with one our first ver

1326
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 7: then twenty twenty one, and I remember thinking on that night,

1327
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 7: I was just thinking, how can How can you be

1328
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 7: so lucky where so many things go so well for

1329
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 7: you in one night. Yeah, But I was also saying,

1330
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 7: just this morning I did an interview with someone, and

1331
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 7: twelve years of playing NRL and then my first four

1332
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 7: nine years of coaching ROW, so that's twenty six years

1333
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 7: it took me to be able to win a premiership

1334
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 7: get involved in one.

1335
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 5: So it's been a lot of it didn't happen all

1336
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 5: it's certainly not all been. It's not all beer and skittles.

1337
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 7: And I had to learn a lot along the way,

1338
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 7: and I still know that, you know, and in the

1339
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 7: future it can go the other way quickly. So just

1340
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 7: enjoying the enjoying the fruits of what we're doing at

1341
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 7: the moment, that's for sure.

1342
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: Well you're only fifty two three three fifty three. I

1343
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: was going to give you a year. Thanks, but like

1344
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, you got one way to go. Like Bennett's

1345
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: late seventies or something.

1346
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be coaching.

1347
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: I'll be lucky.

1348
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 5: I'm alive of that.

1349
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: And I heard Bellamy say the other day that day

1350
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: he probably retired before he's seventy and and he's sixty seven.

1351
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: I think at the moment, so he said, I'm not

1352
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: I won't be there at seventy. That's there were his words.

1353
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself coaching these blakes for a long

1354
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: time that I don't know.

1355
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 7: I'm contracted for another three years and at the moment,

1356
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 7: that's that's good enough.

1357
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: It's unlikely they're not under renew the contract.

1358
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 5: Can I tell you?

1359
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 7: I know, But I just don't know if I can.

1360
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 7: You know, like, I just can't see myself playing one

1361
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 7: of those guys. It's I'm in my sixties or late seventies,

1362
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 7: still still going through this rollcaster you I want to

1363
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 7: sitting back on a beer in the stand, mate, But

1364
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 7: is a rollercaster?

1365
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: It is? I mean, I often say I reckon one

1366
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: of the hardest jobs is coaching. Like, well, it's a

1367
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: lifestyle heavy like mate, this can be framatic and terrible.

1368
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 5: It's a lifestyle. It's more than a job.

1369
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 7: It's you live it, you know, and from week to week,

1370
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 7: depending on how the game goes, you know, con dictor

1371
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 7: how you like. It's not just you, it's your family,

1372
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 7: it's your wife, your kids. So it's that that's where

1373
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 7: you put your handle for and that's that's the addictive

1374
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 7: part of it as well. Every time you have a

1375
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 7: loss or you're not going well or you know, it's

1376
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 7: I think it's a coach, you always feel like there's

1377
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 7: something good around the next corner, you know.

1378
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, but does that mean mean that you're by

1379
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: a definition have a positive mindset? Though, like generally speaking,

1380
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: you have a good positive outlook and stuff.

1381
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 7: I think so I'm a bit of a realist, But

1382
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 7: I also I just feel like, I guess I have

1383
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 7: enough confidence in myself and and the team and the

1384
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 7: people you know that work for you and whatever that

1385
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 7: that we will will. If we're not going to get

1386
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 7: right now, we will eventually get it right, you know.

1387
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 7: And I guess if yeah, that's I suppose it's just yeah,

1388
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 7: there's something good around the next corner. But there's been

1389
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 7: plenty of dark times, mane, that's for sure.

1390
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 8: We're going out for a rough ride. Let me see

1391
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 8: it again. Chinas and serious financial trouble. America is the

1392
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 8: biggest detonation in the world, printing one trillion every ninety days.

1393
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 8: Germany's in bankruptcy, so os is going to the lucky country.

1394
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 8: So you're sheltered a bit. But as you know, China's

1395
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 8: your largest trading partner. So it's it's an important imperative

1396
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 8: that every ASI educate themselves to protect themselves. But if

1397
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 8: you're hoping the government's going to save you, they are

1398
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 8: in trouble.

1399
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 1: It's funny. I had it in twenty sixteen, I said,

1400
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: opposite Trump and I interviewed him, and this is before

1401
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: any presidential aspirations. I think it was sixteen, might have

1402
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: been fifteen, whatever, And he said to me, one of

1403
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: the things he's concerned about is Australia's trading relationship with China.

1404
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: And he said to me, and I at the time

1405
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: naively said, we have there our biggest trading party. We

1406
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: should upset it sort of thing. He said. Let me

1407
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: tell you something. He said, Yeah, they'll take you all

1408
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: your iron ore and everything else. That's just selling Kyle

1409
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: et cetera. That you're selling to them, he said. But

1410
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: ultimately you'll end up owing them something, owing them something,

1411
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: he said, like we are in the United States. You've

1412
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: got to do something about that. That's what you've got

1413
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: to do something about. And it's interesting your words to

1414
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,959
Speaker 1: me just then, because the biggest owner of the debt

1415
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: in the United States, it gets issued on all these

1416
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: months as you just talking about bonds. Is China?

1417
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 6: Ye?

1418
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: They and in Japan they hold the great amount of doubt,

1419
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: which Mary grows. It's funny when you say that to me.

1420
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: I just have a memory of what Trump told me,

1421
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: and it's I thought to myself at the time what

1422
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: he said was quite out there. Today I would say

1423
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,479
Speaker 1: it's quite courageous, but sort of accurate. And what you're

1424
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: saying is effectively endorsing what he said back in twenty

1425
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: and sixteen. Now it's all come to roost. Now it's

1426
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: force four and for eight years later, it's all come

1427
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: to roost. We now have this problem and America's China's

1428
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: falling apart economically as well. So it sounds like we

1429
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: could be in globally in for some other crisis. Correct

1430
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: what it's called.

1431
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1432
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: It won't be a GFC, it won't be a financial

1433
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: well maybe a financial crisis, who knows. Because the value

1434
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: their paper, the Chinese paper that it holds in relation

1435
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: to American debt, correct, it's not worth anywhere near what

1436
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: it was issued at.

1437
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 4: Correct.

1438
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: And China needs as much as they can possibly get

1439
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: because they've got a bit of a few problems internally themselves.

1440
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: Are you sort of predicting or predicting but sort of

1441
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: suggesting there could be a crisis on its way?

1442
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 8: There is one word in it right now. Now you know,

1443
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 8: his mandate is going to take Taiwan back.

1444
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: So creat a war solve the problem, yeah.

1445
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 8: He says, before you know, that's that's like Trump says,

1446
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 8: I'm going to take Taiwan bag. That's war, you know.

1447
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 8: And so what's going on in Ukraine and all this,

1448
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 8: it's terrible. I mean, I hate war. I just hate it.

1449
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 8: I thought twice in Vietnam killed a lot of people.

1450
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 8: But it's about money, as you know, you know, like

1451
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 8: I said, it's a very dangerous time. So it's important

1452
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 8: thereby take responsibility for yourselves financially, not expect the government

1453
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 8: to take care of you. So I go around and saying,

1454
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 8: put yourself on your own gold standard, put yourself on

1455
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 8: the old silver standard, you know, save gold, silver or

1456
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 8: bitcoin and protect yourself now with it your brain, you know,

1457
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 8: but don't expect the government to take care of you.

1458
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 8: AUSI is the lucky country. But you sit behind these

1459
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 8: superpower is going to war and it's spooky.

1460
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: Do you think, do you think war is inevitable.

1461
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 8: Well, historically, yes, see, what brought Hitler to power was

1462
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 8: the why my Republic went World War One and they

1463
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 8: made they made Germany pay reparations, so Germany went bankrupt.

1464
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 8: Hitler came to power. So every time there's chaos, a

1465
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 8: dictator comes to power. So that was Fascist, that was

1466
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 8: Mussolini and Hitler. So it's these are not normal times.

1467
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,839
Speaker 8: But I don't know, I mean I was just prepared.

1468
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what you were saying economically prepared, you know,

1469
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: you know, sort of suggesting be doomsday and go and

1470
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: build a hunker down and build a vault underneath the

1471
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: house and filled it with kansabak beans and water, et cetera.

1472
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 8: Just watch historically. I mean, you're in the banking business.

1473
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 8: Twenty nineteen, the repulp market collapsed, that's where the banks

1474
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 8: go to borrow money. It collapsed, and then suddenly COVID appeared.

1475
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 8: I went, oh, it is this an accident?

1476
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I'm interesting thought about.

1477
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 8: That interesting because I got lost this stuff. Is there

1478
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 8: a coincidence?

1479
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: So just someone to explain to audience with the repair

1480
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: market means in terms of Australia, at least it means

1481
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: if if I'm a bank and I've got mortgage assets,

1482
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: I normally can go and if I got ye I'm lending.

1483
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: If I've got a pool of mortgages which are my assets,

1484
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: and I've got liabilities where I've borrowed money is from deposits.

1485
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: On the other side, if I'm a bank, repo means

1486
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: that I can go to the government. The government will

1487
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: buy my mortgages off me for the face value with

1488
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: the coraggage. So if I lend Robert one hundred thousand

1489
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: dollars and there's ten thousand of Robots in my pool,

1490
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: and I need some cash to lend more money to

1491
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: more Roberts, but I'm running out of cash because I'm

1492
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: a bank, and I haven't because I'm not receiving the deposits.

1493
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: Then I can go to the government, and the government

1494
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: runs a repo program where they will take my mortgages

1495
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: off me. In your case, they put him into Fenny

1496
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: Maye Freddie Mack in the US. In Australia, we don't

1497
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: have the system, but they'll still buy them office and

1498
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: they'll give us cash for it downs the bank and

1499
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: then we're going to lend some more money. And the

1500
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: repo market. You're saying prior in twenty nineteen, prior to

1501
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: we collapsed, Well didn't collapse, but yes, went down. It

1502
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Speaker 1: wasn't so it wasn't as much liquidity in the system

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Speaker 1: to liquidity being money available for the banking system. Because

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Speaker 1: what you just said is really interesting because when when

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01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: COVID hit in our country March, within four months, our

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: central bank here cut a check one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: billion dollars to a banking system. They said, banks, not

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Speaker 1: non bank so many, but to banks. Here's one undred

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Speaker 1: ninety billion dollars. We'll give you to a point one

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01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: of to you add point one of a percent fixed

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01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: for three years, go lend it. And of course that

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01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: created inflation out of the bubble bubble, the property market bubble.

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: It just went off. And then of course last year

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: the government said, well we want that repay because the

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: three years is up twenty twenty three. It does not

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Speaker 1: exactly on that date, but from twenty twenty three due

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: to based on drawdown dates. And now the banks are

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: raising money six percent, so they're our interest rates are higher.

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: So the you know who's suffering, the consumer. The guy

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: borrowed money, that money he borrowed at two percent from

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: one point nine to nine percent. It's a record low

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: fixed rate for fixed for three years. All of a sudden,

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: he's gone from fixed one point nine now he's paying

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: seven percent. Our consumers are paying for this. The banks

1525
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: are making the same amount of profit as they've always made,

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: they're just charging the borrow more. And the way forward was, well,

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: our central bank said, well, inflation is really high. It's

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: really bad. We don't like high inflation. So and you, consumers,

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: you cause it. You cause high inflation. So we're going

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01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: to put in straights up, and the banks that we're

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01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: not responsible, the Reserve Bank, the central banks put this rate.

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01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: We just put the this trade up as they go long.

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: And now the consumer's bearing the risk of this. You know,

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I remember Milton Friedman. Not many people

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: you were remembering, but not many people remembering. I remember

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: watching him in the nineties and it's up on YouTube

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01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: these days, Freedman, and he says, consumers never create inflation.

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: Governments do, correct.

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 4: They preyer money, they.

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: Print money, and they make it available for for liquid. Yeah,

1541
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: and the only people make money out of that is

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01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: the rich people.

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Speaker 8: At the end of the day, and then if you

1544
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 8: can in trouble the bet they bail out the rich. Yeah,

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01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 8: and the ASI block it's Penali rich.

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: The rich people by and boil themselves out by influencing

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01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: the government to do the bailot. So that is the

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: premise of your book. Though, Yes, I think what you're

1549
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: sort of saying is below the rich guys.

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01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think like my rich dad, not my protect.

1551
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: Think like the rich guy, rich dad. They learn from

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01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: the rich dad dad. And I think what you're sort

1553
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: of saying here, and this is it's quite compelling. But

1554
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: you're saying there's no point fighting against the machine. I

1555
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: mean you can, and you know, you can storm the

1556
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: White House or whatever you want to do, but that's

1557
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: not going to do any at the end of the day.

1558
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: The system will close you down, just like it might

1559
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: close Donald Trump down or make it really difficult for him.

1560
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, God bless the guy, like he's so tough

1561
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: on me. I wouldn't be able to handle that. I

1562
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: would I would have gone, I'm out. I would have

1563
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: hung my gloves up. But you can fight against the

1564
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: machine if you want to, and you can argue against it,

1565
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: and you can put a posts on Instagram and talk

1566
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: about the conspiracy and you know, you know, but at

1567
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day, forget about just think like

1568
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: the other mob join you sort of join them, be

1569
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: quite thoughtful, educate yourself, educate yourself and probably would you say,

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01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: act upon it as well? Yes, where do you get

1571
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: the car? Where do people get the courage to once

1572
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: educate themselves to actually go and do the things that

1573
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about.

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01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 8: Well, it's easier to do something for other people, like

1575
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 8: create the cash flow board game, learn it, play it

1576
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 8: ten times, and then teach other people. Even you shall

1577
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 8: receive when you do it for other people. Stuff comes in.

1578
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 8: But if you're just taken for yourself, who cares? You know,

1579
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 8: you're greedy. And that's a big, big difference, Sir, I

1580
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 8: was just the lucky country. Don't fuck it up totally.

1581
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: Well that's what Trump said to me.

1582
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, don't fuck it up.

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he's been a bit extreme into our

1584
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: sixteen but it's actually come to be true now. And

1585
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: then if you think about you know, COVID, you know Fauci,

1586
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: the whole COVID thing in Australia. I don't know if

1587
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:41,959
Speaker 1: we were our Australian legislators and government were covertly involved

1588
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: in what was going on. Just I think we probably

1589
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: follow what was going on in the United States, and it's.

1590
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 8: Big pharmer, big pharmaceutical companies.

1591
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: They influenced the program.

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 8: Of course, it's bankers pharmaceutical in all those cases.

1593
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: You guys have an inquiry in America as we are

1594
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: here in Australia about the vaccines, like the effects of

1595
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: the vaccines. Yeah, you want to get it, and it's

1596
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: because some of the findings are he's terribly horrendous. Yeah,

1597
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: but it's not getting any airtime. I don't understand it.

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01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: There's no airtime. No one's talking about I mean, we

1599
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: might see it on score and US on Ruby Murdocks

1600
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: channel here, but we don't see it anywhere else. Now,

1601
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: why do you think that is.

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01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 8: Pharma big business? I remember I had to travel, I

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 8: had to get a vaccine. I refused to so I

1604
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 8: just found a doctor. I paid them five hundred dollars,

1605
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 8: put the vaccine in a in this thing, thank you bye,

1606
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 8: and he goes it's divit got the certificate. I'm not

1607
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 8: that stupid, you know. I mean, I'll cheat, but I don't.

1608
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 8: It's my body they're putting stuff into just the schools,

1609
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 8: put ideas in your head. One more thing is when

1610
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 8: we talk about the repaw market, it's very simple. It's

1611
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 8: like the pawn shop for banks.

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, very.

1613
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 8: Very very simple. So when that went down COVID appeared,

1614
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 8: I went, oh my god, is that an accident or

1615
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 8: is it intentional? And I don't know. I don't have

1616
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 8: an answer to that. But there's too many coincidences. And

1617
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 8: so that's why I wrote Rich Dad Part Out in

1618
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 8: ninety seven. The cash flow board game kind of up

1619
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 8: in ninety six, and if we don't educate ourselves, and

1620
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 8: shame on us, but schools will not do it because

1621
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 8: schools are complicit with the banks.

1622
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Why do you think Marxist?

1623
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, that's.

1624
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: Where they start from.

1625
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 8: I read the Communist Manifesto in sixty five. I went

1626
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 8: to military school and went, oh my god. You know

1627
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 8: they made two predictions nineteen thirty they were going to

1628
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 8: take over the school system, which they did, and then

1629
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 8: they would take our elections.

1630
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 1: They did, and that would be Trump's position today. They've

1631
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: your last election that he lost.

1632
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 8: And I respect a freedom of choice. You can be

1633
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 8: a Marxist. You can be a capitalist, but without financial education,

1634
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 8: as you know in the banking industry. If you don't

1635
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 8: have any financial education, you can't be a.

1636
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: Capitalist and you can make a proper decision either correct,

1637
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: because you don't know what creature, because it means the

1638
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: Marxist position is very romantic.

1639
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 8: It's appolation or private property, labor unions, taxation.

1640
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: Fairness, fairness, quality, aggressive tax system, you know, will tax

1641
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: the rich to look after the poor. It's like robin Hood.

1642
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: It's sort of it's sort of very it's sort of

1643
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: like a romantic thing. It's a theme. But the reality

1644
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: is we're not all equal, and we don't all in

1645
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: the same animony. We don't none of us have prepared

1646
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: to work as hard as the next person, or or

1647
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: even as not as.

1648
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 8: Hard as the person's going to be equal.

1649
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody is equal.