WEBVTT - Sharri | 20 November

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<v Speaker 1>Why. On Sky News This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening tonight, a major exclusive, Penny Wong rejected the

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<v Speaker 2>recommendation of Australia's diplomats and instead she supported the United

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<v Speaker 2>Nations resolution recognizing Palestinian sovereignty. The Foreign Minister now in

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<v Speaker 2>hot water over why she went against the advice of

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's mission to the UN that full scoop in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Also tonight, Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanezi think they know

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<v Speaker 2>better than the rest of the world as they refuse

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<v Speaker 2>to sign up to a nuclear pact with our greatest

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<v Speaker 2>allies and orcast partners. And my exclusive interview with Deepak Chopra,

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<v Speaker 2>he unloads on RFK Junior and even Donald Trump with

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<v Speaker 2>the world famous spiritual guru explaining why he'll no longer

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<v Speaker 2>follow politics.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't look like the perfect example of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who could tackle OBISTI.

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<v Speaker 2>Himself, and that's a rare rebuke from DPAK on RFK

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<v Speaker 2>that's coming up a bit later, and he also gives

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<v Speaker 2>advice on how to find more time to spend with

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<v Speaker 2>the people you love. But first tonight I can exclusively

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<v Speaker 2>reveal that Foreign Minister Penniwong's decision to support the UN

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<v Speaker 2>resolution recognizing Palestinian sovereignty went against the recommendation and submission

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<v Speaker 2>from Australia's Mission to the United Nations. Our diplomats over

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<v Speaker 2>at the UN recommended that Australia should, like our allies America,

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<v Speaker 2>Canada and Israel, abstain from this resolution and not support it,

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<v Speaker 2>in keeping with Australia's position over the past decade, but

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<v Speaker 2>Pennywog overruled them, making effectively a captain's call. I also

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<v Speaker 2>understand this decision didn't go to either Cabinet all the

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<v Speaker 2>National Security Committee of Cabinet. Again, this was a decision

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<v Speaker 2>from Pennywog and her pro Palestinian partner in crime, Anthony Albanesi.

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<v Speaker 2>I do understand that Senator Wong consulted with some Cabinet colleagues,

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<v Speaker 2>but not all on the decision. This decision blindsided the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian mission, which had been under the impression that Australia

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<v Speaker 2>would continue to abstain now after this change in position.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's Mission to the UN was then instructed by the

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<v Speaker 2>Albanese government to inform partner countries of the government's decision,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't just Canada that was horrified. There was

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<v Speaker 2>shocked reaction to this here in Australia as well. It

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<v Speaker 2>was widely reported that this was Pennywog caving into and

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<v Speaker 2>even rewarding the terrorism of October seven by recognizing Palestinian's

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<v Speaker 2>sovereignty despite no answers over exactly who would lead a

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian state, I mean surely not Hermus, and no demands

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<v Speaker 2>that they accept Israel's right to exist. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Nightly Round a cover saying Pennywong rewards Hermus terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>by shifting government's un stance on palestine sovereign status and

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<v Speaker 2>that image there of course harkening back to the Gates

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<v Speaker 2>of Auschwitz. Chris Kenny, in a sensational editorial, said that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a capitulation to extremists and terrorism, and also

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<v Speaker 2>a surrender to base electoral politics. He said that Albinizi

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<v Speaker 2>and Wang should think about whether Humas even once piece

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<v Speaker 2>before trying to reward it with what he described as

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<v Speaker 2>a make believe state still under terrorist control.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not only grotesque, it's absurd, because neither Hamas,

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<v Speaker 4>nor Isbelah, nor Islamic g Hard nor Iran will ever

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<v Speaker 4>accept and implement the establishment of a Palestinian state that

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<v Speaker 4>requires recognition and security for the state of Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>This is idiotic.

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<v Speaker 4>Because there has never been a Palestinian state, and every

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<v Speaker 4>time one has been on offer, it's the Palestinians who

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<v Speaker 4>have rejected it, preferring to back Islam's terra outfits like

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<v Speaker 4>Hummas who want to kill Jews and eliminate Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the point that Bill Clinton made on

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign trail, and he should know his efforts at

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<v Speaker 2>the Camp David summit were stymied by the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 5>All this was offered, they said no. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>part of it is that Hamas did not care about

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<v Speaker 5>a homeland for the Palestinians. They wanted to kill Israelis

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<v Speaker 5>and make Israel uninhabitable.

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<v Speaker 2>And his whole speech which was brilliant, and Penny Wong

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<v Speaker 2>should listen to it. But Alexander Downa had some of

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<v Speaker 2>his own advice for Penny Wong, from one former foreign

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<v Speaker 2>minister to the current one.

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<v Speaker 6>If I were in government today, therefore, I could give

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<v Speaker 6>a bit of advice to Penny Wong and the Labor government.

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<v Speaker 6>I would think about drafting a resolution which demanded that

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<v Speaker 6>Hamas hand over the one hundred or so hostages that

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<v Speaker 6>they're still holding and cease attax on Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that suggestion. The Australian also reported that this

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<v Speaker 2>decision by the government was deepening Australia's rift with the

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<v Speaker 2>United States on Israel. The Biden administration was unequivocal in

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<v Speaker 2>condemning this one sided UN resolution, and their diplomat Nicholas

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<v Speaker 2>Kovell said that the resolution would actually undermine hopes for

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<v Speaker 2>an end to the war.

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<v Speaker 7>One sided resolutions will not help advance peace, not when

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<v Speaker 7>they ignore the facts on the ground. One sided resolutions

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<v Speaker 7>are purely rhetorical documents that seek to divide us at

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<v Speaker 7>a time when we should be coming together.

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<v Speaker 2>And he also spoke about the persistent bias at the

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations against Israel, and that's from the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 2>We know how much stronger Donald Trump's team is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be. So tonight right now, I'm reporting that this

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<v Speaker 2>decision by Australia to vote with this one sided resolution

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<v Speaker 2>was done against the advice of our own bureaucrats and diplomats.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the first time Australia has supported this

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<v Speaker 2>resolution against Israel. No explanation has been offered for what's

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<v Speaker 2>changed to mean that Australia would now support this resolution.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked Pennywong today for comment on this, and her

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<v Speaker 2>spokesperson said, and I quote, while Australia does not agree

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<v Speaker 2>with everything in the resolution, this vote reflects international concern

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<v Speaker 2>about Israeli actions that impede access to natural resources and

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing settlement activity, land dispossession, demolitions and settler violence against Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, We've been clear that such acts undermine stability

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<v Speaker 2>and prospects for a true state solution. This vote is

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<v Speaker 2>consistent with the priority we place on building momentum towards

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<v Speaker 2>a true state solution. Well, I would have thought that

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<v Speaker 2>the terrorist attacks on October seven and ever since do

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<v Speaker 2>much more to undermine a true state solution. Now the

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<v Speaker 2>only explanation I can see is that the Albanesi government

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<v Speaker 2>is once again putting domestic politics first. They've never been

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<v Speaker 2>strong supporters of Israel, to say the least. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Albanesi was a pro Palestinian activist yelling into a megaphone

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<v Speaker 2>at a rally where American and Israeli flags were burned.

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<v Speaker 2>I lament every day that this is the government we've

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<v Speaker 2>been dealt with at this single point in time when

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism is the worst it's been since the Holocaust,

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<v Speaker 2>A weak, ineffective anti Israel government and we need better

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<v Speaker 2>than this. Plenty is still to come on tonight's show.

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<v Speaker 2>My interview with world renowned guru Deepak Chopra coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus lawyer Justin quill would join me to discuss Labour's

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<v Speaker 2>all but dead Misinformation Bill. But now let's bring in

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<v Speaker 2>former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both. Michael, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to get your reaction to this breaking news. My revelation

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<v Speaker 2>now that Penny Wang rejected the advice of Australian diplomats

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<v Speaker 2>and instead supported this one sided resolution against Israel.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, as you've reported, she discussed it with Elbow, a

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<v Speaker 8>handful of others, but in the end she's decided. Pennywong

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<v Speaker 8>on the Middle East, Pennywong is an extremist. You look

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<v Speaker 8>at her record, it's disgraceful from October seven onwards. The

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<v Speaker 8>things she has done are not done which are well known,

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<v Speaker 8>show that this is a hard left political figure who

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<v Speaker 8>is Auntie Israel and who is pandering to the Muslim

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<v Speaker 8>vote in New South Wales to try and hang on

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<v Speaker 8>to those three seats. I mean, this is a race

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<v Speaker 8>to the bottom by Penny Wong. It's a disgrace. Bob

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<v Speaker 8>Hawk would be turning in his grave to hear and

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<v Speaker 8>see what she has done as Foreign Minister in relation

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<v Speaker 8>to the Middle East, and she and Albanezi will go

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<v Speaker 8>down in Australian history as the two people that were

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<v Speaker 8>in charge of this country when he said Semitism Jewish

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<v Speaker 8>hatred reached appalling and disgraceful levels. And just like vegetables

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<v Speaker 8>sitting in the garden, they did nothing. They did nothing.

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<v Speaker 8>They let this happen. He's a weakened, p athetic Prime

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<v Speaker 8>Minister and Penny Wong is a disgrace to this nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite frankly well said Michael Kroger. Now, rich O, look

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<v Speaker 2>there's no cover for Penny one here because there's been

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<v Speaker 2>no explanation given for why Australia changed its position. Canada didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>the US didn't, and yet Australia did. It was against

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<v Speaker 2>the advice I've just revealed of Australia's mission to the

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<v Speaker 2>United Nation. This didn't go to cabinet or the National

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<v Speaker 2>Security Committee of Cabinet. So you know what can possibly

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<v Speaker 2>be the reason what's changed. It is rewarding terrorism, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't see anything that's changed, but I can see

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<v Speaker 9>a very bad decision has been made. Penny's a friend

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<v Speaker 9>of mine, but she got this wrong. I think, very wrong,

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<v Speaker 9>and I don't think it does Australia any credit whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Richard, clearly these decisions are because of concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>marginal seats in Western Sydney, also concerns about votes moving

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<v Speaker 2>towards the Greens. Do you think this is how Labour

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<v Speaker 2>should be reacting by compromising our national security and compromising

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<v Speaker 2>proper values.

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<v Speaker 9>Whenever you compromise your own principles, you cannot possibly be

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<v Speaker 9>doing any good. People see through you in a minute,

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<v Speaker 9>in a second, and I think in a nanosecond, as

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<v Speaker 9>far as I'm concerned, this is just a very bad decision.

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<v Speaker 9>I hope that some people in the cabinet raise the

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<v Speaker 9>issue and get a proper cabinet discussion going, because I

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<v Speaker 9>have a feeling you get a different decision out of

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<v Speaker 9>the cabinet if it was properly debated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll see. But clearly not all cabinet ministers are

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<v Speaker 2>happy about that decision, that's for sure. Are you hearing

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<v Speaker 2>that as well, rich O, yes, I am. So you've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken to cabinet ministers who are disappointed with this decision?

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<v Speaker 1>I have, indeed, do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to name names?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 9>No, I don't think that'll be exactly Yeah, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 9>be good from my future that alone, there is, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That is significant. So Graham Richardson has just revealed live

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<v Speaker 2>on air that he has spoken to cabinet ministers in

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezy government who are not happy with the decision

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<v Speaker 2>that I've reported tonight was a captain's call by Penny Wong.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is significant. So we'll see how that

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<v Speaker 2>plays out in the Labor Party. Let's have a look

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<v Speaker 2>at nuclear energy now, and of course the Energy Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Bowen has many have said, humiliated our country on

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<v Speaker 2>the global stage. Australia has refused to sign the nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>agreement from our Orchist partners and our other allies at

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<v Speaker 2>the COP twenty nine climate change talks. Now we are

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<v Speaker 2>clearly seeing this play out. This was a big issue

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<v Speaker 2>in Question Time today, Let's have a look at what

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton had to.

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<v Speaker 10>Say at COP twenty nine and additional six nations endorsed

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<v Speaker 10>the declaration to triple nuclear energy.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 10>Why is it the old Nisy government signing up to

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<v Speaker 10>the same agreement.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is the Albanezi Labor government out of step with

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of the world which is increasingly taking up

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<v Speaker 4>civil nuclear energy. Why does the Albanesi government remain so

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<v Speaker 4>stubbornly opposed to.

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<v Speaker 11>Exploring this proven zero emissions energy source.

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<v Speaker 2>So michae I mean, the question is what does Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Bowen think He knows that the other thirty or so

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<v Speaker 2>world leaders who are pursuing nuclear energy as part of

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<v Speaker 2>their energy mix, you know that they don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>What he knows is that the Labor Party since the

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<v Speaker 8>nineteen seventies have opposed the mining industry, the uranium industry,

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<v Speaker 8>the coal industry, the gas industry, anything coming out of

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<v Speaker 8>the ground. They opposed variety of logical reasons. It was

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<v Speaker 8>student political stuff when I was at Monitor in the

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<v Speaker 8>nineteen seventies. They haven't grown up. They're still run by

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<v Speaker 8>student political activists to sort of ban uranium mining.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 8>They can't grow out of this, this fifty year old

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<v Speaker 8>trauma that they're suffering from, that anything coming out of

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<v Speaker 8>the ground is bad. They dislike the mining companies.

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<v Speaker 1>They always have.

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<v Speaker 8>This is all ideological, it's fifty years old. It's another

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<v Speaker 8>reason why this government is just an embarrassment on the

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<v Speaker 8>international stage. We see Graham Lloyd wrote in The Australia Today.

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<v Speaker 8>We're part of this group called Generation four Forum, which

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<v Speaker 8>is an international forum of countries looking to develop nuclear energy,

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<v Speaker 8>and we're a member of it. We've been a member

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<v Speaker 8>for the whole two years of Alberanisi's government. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 8>seemed to notice. And there's an Australian I know whose

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<v Speaker 8>chairman are one of the most important subcommittees. So we're

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<v Speaker 8>heavily involved internationally in the development of nuclear technology. Elbows

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<v Speaker 8>just worked it out. Bowen's over there embarrassing in the country.

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<v Speaker 8>This is a losing argument for labor. This is a

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<v Speaker 8>really losing argument. They look like you know yesterday, yesterday's

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<v Speaker 8>government quite frankly, Well, Richard, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You think Australia should be energy agnostic when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to this and do you think the opposition from federal

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<v Speaker 2>labor is purely ideological.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm going to say I would prefer to not rule

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<v Speaker 9>out nuclear options for the future. We don't know whether

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<v Speaker 9>technology will eventually go and to say no at this

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<v Speaker 9>point seems to me to be ridiculous. So now I

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<v Speaker 9>am opposed to my own party on this.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you think the opposition that we are seeing

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<v Speaker 2>is just ideological rather than based on any sound principles.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it's certainly not based on science, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 9>So as far as I'm concerned, we ought to be

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<v Speaker 9>standing up to that kind of negatism negativism, and we

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<v Speaker 9>ought to be saying this is a technology that's worth pursuing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I want to get your thoughts on Kevin Rud.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Kroger. You've got as hard as anyone on Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Rud's ability to work with Trump as the new ambassador.

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<v Speaker 2>We know we reported at first here that he called

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<v Speaker 2>Trump a village idiot. Will now he says he's finally

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<v Speaker 2>ready to work with a president elect. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 1>Here at the embassy.

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<v Speaker 11>We've been working hard through the course of the last

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<v Speaker 11>year to ensure that we were well prepared for this moment,

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<v Speaker 11>and the bottom line is We're ready. The team here

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<v Speaker 11>at the embassy and the Government of Australia are ready

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<v Speaker 11>to work closely with the new Trump administration to continue

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<v Speaker 11>to realize the benefits of what is a very strong

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<v Speaker 11>economic and security partnership.

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<v Speaker 2>And I should mention that Andrew bolt On edges before me.

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<v Speaker 2>He reported that perhaps Team Trump isn't taking Rudd's phone calls. So,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Kroger, do you still have concerns about whether right

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<v Speaker 2>is the right man for the job of our ambassador

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, on the.

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<v Speaker 8>Basis of what Andrew bolt revealed tonight, that those reservations

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<v Speaker 8>are confirmed. I mean the people, let's say Trump forgives

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<v Speaker 8>people criticize him. I've got to remember this the two

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<v Speaker 8>example sided JD. Vance and Marca Rubio. These are ranking

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<v Speaker 8>US senators. These aren't a lowly ambassador. I mean, these

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<v Speaker 8>guys are serious American political figures now one vice president,

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<v Speaker 8>one in the cabinet. Now r is not their equivalent.

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<v Speaker 8>So for this ambassador from Australia to be saying these

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<v Speaker 8>things about Trump and old Trump's going to forgive him

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<v Speaker 8>because he's forgiven Vance and Rubio, No, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 8>This guy is damaging Australia's credibility. He will damage our

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<v Speaker 8>trade interest for as long as he's in the embassy

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<v Speaker 8>in Washington. The good news is for him that he'll

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<v Speaker 8>be relieved of his job from May onwards. I hope

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<v Speaker 8>despite what the Liberal parties say federally, they know Dunton

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<v Speaker 8>and others know how damaging this Blake is and for

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<v Speaker 8>him to be ringing Marri lagu and I'm sure Andrew

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<v Speaker 8>Bolt's sources are accurate. By the way, I think I

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<v Speaker 8>probably know where it's coming from. I think we might

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<v Speaker 8>all all know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's protect themselves.

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<v Speaker 8>That to be Rud, that'd be Rudd, that'd be right

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<v Speaker 8>ingratiating himself ringing. There nothing to see here, mate, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>Kevin Rudd, you know from Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>No thank you, I'm Kevin and I'm here to help

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<v Speaker 2>or not help as the case maybe, Richo, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think was behind this video message from Kevin Rudd

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<v Speaker 2>that's made the news today?

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<v Speaker 9>Ego, that's always what it's behind anything that he does.

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<v Speaker 1>He I have never known.

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<v Speaker 9>A supreme egotist like this bloke with us with so

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<v Speaker 9>little to be egotistical about.

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<v Speaker 2>You always have great lines, rich O. Look, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Coalition has played a very straight bat on this

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't want to be accused of jeopardizing Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>national interest. So you know, they've left all the criticism

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<v Speaker 2>up to the media I suppose and commentators. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we will see if Darton wins, surely there'd be a

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<v Speaker 2>new ambassador in the US, unquestionable, without question.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hope again. Abas Albo, as he's starting to be known,

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<v Speaker 2>is again getting scrutiny over his overseas trips. The accusation

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<v Speaker 2>is that he's spending too much time abroad, too little

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<v Speaker 2>time worrying about the cost of living in Australia. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a new report showing that nearly half of Australians say

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<v Speaker 2>that they were in dire straits economically skipping meals, unable

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<v Speaker 2>to make their rent. Michael, do you think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a problem for him, this perception that he's spending too

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<v Speaker 2>much time away.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't and never have criticized Australian Prime Minister's elbow

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<v Speaker 8>Rudd whoever, for going overseas representing our national interest. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>he's been at very important meetings, he's met the Chinese President,

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<v Speaker 8>he's met the British Prime minister. He's been in a

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<v Speaker 8>series of very important meetings with allies. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 8>think it's important for the Australian prime ministers to be represented,

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<v Speaker 8>for Australia to be represented overseas by their prime minister.

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<v Speaker 8>So no, I'm not a critical of his trips on

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<v Speaker 8>the domestic front. Yes, he's got serious problems here. As

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 8>I've said to you many times, I think his government's

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<v Speaker 8>going to lose, and you know it doesn't helped by

0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.560
<v Speaker 8>him being away domestically because I think he's got a

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<v Speaker 8>weak team behind him and he's probably the most influential

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<v Speaker 8>of the labor cabinet ministers and when he's not here

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<v Speaker 8>it doesn't help them.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard, you always say, as much as we disagree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>that you know people on the street you think have

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<v Speaker 2>the view that Albo is a good guy and that

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<v Speaker 2>you think he's going to win no problem at the

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<v Speaker 2>next election. Do you still have that view or do

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<v Speaker 2>you think given what the polls are showing that it

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<v Speaker 2>is looking shaky now for Alvin Ezy and that Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>could win.

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<v Speaker 9>Well that stays the political cycle. You wouldn't expect him

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.800
<v Speaker 9>to be doing too well. He's got to start turning

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<v Speaker 9>those numbers around in the next sage three or four months,

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<v Speaker 9>and I'm confident he'll do that. He knows how to

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<v Speaker 9>do it. He's done it before and I think he'll

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<v Speaker 9>be able to do it again. Albo's still a boyfriend.

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:19.239
<v Speaker 9>Maryple grew up in the single bedroom flat with an

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<v Speaker 9>impoverished mother. As far as I'm concerned, I don't think

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<v Speaker 9>I'll ever forget listening to him talk about some of

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<v Speaker 9>those days. He understands what it is to struggle, He

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<v Speaker 9>really does.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he's done it before, But when when's he

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<v Speaker 2>done it before? Because not when he was fighting Scott Morrison.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison's polling numbers were shocking.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean all you can do when you're an

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<v Speaker 9>opposition leaders did better than your opposing figure, and I

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<v Speaker 9>think it was genuinely agreed that by the end of

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 9>the Morrison rain Alba was getting on top of him,

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<v Speaker 9>and I think he was. I think the history shows it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm disagreeing that he's never made a comeback like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he can. What do you think, Michael, Well.

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<v Speaker 8>Look at it this way, Malcolm Fraser turned it around

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<v Speaker 8>in nine and eighty, but couldn't in eighty three. John

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<v Speaker 8>Howard turned it round in two o four, but couldn't

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<v Speaker 8>in two o seven. Kidding turned it around in ninety three,

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<v Speaker 8>we couldn't in ninety six. Morrison turned it around in

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<v Speaker 8>nine and with coodnin in twenty two. Albet didn't turn

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<v Speaker 8>it around in twenty two, and I don't think he'll

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<v Speaker 8>turn it around in twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Green Richards and Michael Kroger, thank you both

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<v Speaker 2>very much for your time. We'll see you next Wednesday. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big story we've been pursuing on the

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<v Speaker 2>show over and over again. These are the questions, the

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<v Speaker 2>serious concerns over Labor spending a billion dollars of taxpayer

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<v Speaker 2>money to allegedly help its mates under the guise of

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<v Speaker 2>the future Made in Australia policy. There are new revelations

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<v Speaker 2>in the media that the Alberti's government engaged external probity

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<v Speaker 2>advisors only after they received PSI Quantum's unsolicited proposal for

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.680
<v Speaker 2>taxpayer funded investment. The opposition is claiming that PSI Quantum

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<v Speaker 2>was given a head start and that the deal was

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<v Speaker 2>done under a cloak of secrecy. This is based on

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<v Speaker 2>new freedom of information documents and I'm joined now for

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<v Speaker 2>more on this by the Shadow Science Minister, Paul Fletcher. Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks again for your time. Now, what is new that

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<v Speaker 2>we now know thanks to these new freedom of information documents?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, Shari, as you pointed out in your introduction, what

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<v Speaker 12>we now know is that ed Husick has been telling

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<v Speaker 12>us in his defense of what happened, that there was

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<v Speaker 12>independent probity advice. But we now have the timeline. The

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<v Speaker 12>independent probity advisor was appointed in January of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 12>Now the significance of that is that it was in

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<v Speaker 12>November twenty twenty three when the Albanese labor government agreed

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<v Speaker 12>to consider an unsolicit proposal from the American company PSI

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<v Speaker 12>Quantum for an investment in the company. We know that

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<v Speaker 12>ed Husick personally met the company at least twice before well,

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<v Speaker 12>including in January in California, and so it very much

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<v Speaker 12>looks like the probity advisor was appointed after the preferred

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 12>access had been provided to PSI Quantum, and it raises

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 12>an obvious question why did Ssiquonum get preferred access. One

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<v Speaker 12>of the other things we know is that Blackbird, an

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 12>Australian venture capital company, was an earlier investor in SI Quantum,

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<v Speaker 12>and therefore of course stood to benefit should the Australian

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<v Speaker 12>government make a subsequent.

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<v Speaker 1>Investment in PSI Quantum.

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<v Speaker 12>We know that there is a close personal friendship between

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 12>Ellen Broad who is a senior advisor to Ed Husick,

0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 12>and Kate Glazebrook, who's a senior executive at Blackbird. In fact,

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 12>we know that Kate Glaisbrook was one of two Blackbird

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 12>executives appointed by Ed Husick to senior government to government

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<v Speaker 12>boards and advisory committees in late twenty twenty two. And

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<v Speaker 12>so when mister Husick is saying, oh, well there was

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<v Speaker 12>probity advice, we've now discovered and it is I think

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<v Speaker 12>a significant discovery through this freedom of information process that

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<v Speaker 12>actually the independent probity advisor didn't start providing advice until

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<v Speaker 12>well after there had been this preferred access given to

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<v Speaker 12>SIGH Quantum to speak directly to Minister Husick.

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<v Speaker 2>We've covered previously on the show the extent of the

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 2>labor connections involved at the various arms of this deal,

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>this process, this investment, a billion dollars of taxpayer funds

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<v Speaker 2>into a company that should just rely on VC investment

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't need taxpayer funding. Now we know that the

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<v Speaker 2>order to you and always considering a formal inquiry, but

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<v Speaker 2>you've now moved a motion in the House of Representatives

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to also have a parliamentary inquiry. What do you want

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to examine under the parliamentary inquiry? And you're not going

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 2>to get it up, are you? Or do you think

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 2>the tills, I mean, they've promised transparency. Are they going

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<v Speaker 2>to support you on this?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll Sharry you're right.

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<v Speaker 12>This week we moved a motion to establish a select

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 12>committee of the House of Representatives to have a look

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 12>at all aspects of the Si Quantum deal and how

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 12>it was that the alban Easy Labor government together with

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.199
<v Speaker 12>the now gone Miles Labor government in Queensland, agreed to

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 12>commit almost a billion dollars of taxpayers money to this

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 12>American company. Now we'll be continuing to press for that

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<v Speaker 12>to be brought to a vote and voted on now.

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<v Speaker 12>Ed Husick has said that he welcomes scrutiny of the

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 12>Si Quantum deal because he says there's nothing to hide. Well,

0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 12>if he's serious about scrutiny, he will cause the Labor

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 12>Party to agree to this committee, and certainly we would

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 12>welcome having cross benches on it, and indeed the motion

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:11.199
<v Speaker 12>that we've moved proposers that there would be cross benches

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 12>on this committee as well as Government and opposition in peace.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't heard at this point whether the Tills will

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 2>support your motion for an inquiry if it goes to

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 2>a vote or when it goes to a vote.

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<v Speaker 12>Not as yet, but we will be seeking at some

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 12>time to see if we can bring it on for

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 12>a vote, and will certainly then in that instance be

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 12>seeking the support of the Tills, and of course we'll

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 12>be seeking the support of the Government consistent with Minister

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 12>Hugh Six's words that he welcomes transparency. And now, of

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 12>course what we've also been doing is using the estimates process.

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<v Speaker 12>We learned some interesting things in that in recent weeks,

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<v Speaker 12>including that the Australian Government investment is in three components.

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<v Speaker 12>One of those has already been paid, it's one hundred

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 12>and twenty five million dollars and that presently is a

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 12>convertible loan, but if certain conditions are met, that will

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 12>turn into an equity investment. Now one of those conditions

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.239
<v Speaker 12>is that cy Quantum has to raise additional money from

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<v Speaker 12>private investors. Departmental officials told estimates that as yet that

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 12>had not happened.

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<v Speaker 2>M All right, a long way to go in that

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 2>story really is. Look, it's a big story, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to say, and there are a lot of conflicts of

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:24.479
<v Speaker 2>interest involved. Pop Fletcher, appreciate your time now still to come.

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Peter Darton has called for a national plan to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with youth suicide and bullying to help save young lives

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>with a Sunday Telegraph editor and a Caldwell would join

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 2>me next and later might sit down interview with spiritual

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>guru Deepak Chopra where he says he's done with following

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>politics after Donald Trump's when it could be his most

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>controversial interview yet. That's all coming up, welcome back. Well,

0:28:55.800 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>we've seen lately a spate of absolutely devastating bullying stories

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>where young people, boys and girls have taken their own

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>lives because of extreme bullying that schools knew about, that

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>parents told schools about, but that just nothing was done,

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>no proper action was taken. Well, this is all come.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all part of a very powerful documentary. That's

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the responsibility or that's a credit to The Sunday Telegraph

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>editor Anna Caldwell. The documentary is called Charlotte's Wish. It

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>was made in the name of the twelve year old

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>girl Charlotte O'Brien, who took her own life after horrific bullying.

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Here's an excerpt from that documentary. They had made group

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>chats and they were calling her fat and ugly and

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>told her to go kill herself.

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 3>There's been another case since it continues to happen today

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<v Speaker 3>with social.

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Media that they give no rest.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>This issue is worse than twelve years ago. One of

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>the toxic friends said he didn't take enough pills, he

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't try hard enough. How's that for a friend. Persistent

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>targeting of an individual so is that their life becomes unbearable.

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>It's beyond devastating that bullying is taking young Australian lives

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and leaving too many grieving parents wondering what on earth

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>they could have done to protect their poor child, even

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>though they continually raised it with the school principle. If

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>you haven't seen that documentary yet, it's about twenty minutes long.

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Please go to the Daily Telegraph website, Google it, find

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.719
<v Speaker 2>the documentary and watch it. It's so important for every

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>parent to know what issues, what signs to look out for,

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>and to help put the pressure on the governments federally

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 2>and at a state level to take action or to

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 2>discuss this more. I'm joined now by the editor of

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the Sunday and Saturday Telegraph, Anna Quadwell. Anna, I mean

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>that documentary was so emotional, it's so confronting. It's really

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>difficult to watch. But you have put this issue into

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the national spotlight. Tell us what action you want to happen.

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<v Speaker 13>Thanks, Sharry, thanks so much for that. You're right, it

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 13>is a really harrowing watch. I think you can see

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 13>that from that trailer.

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 13>The reason we pursued this documentary, and the reason we

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 13>pursued this difficult topic I think so thoroughly, is because

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 13>it was the dying wish of Charlotte O'Brien. You know,

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 13>when she ended her life, she left a note for

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 13>her parents asking them to raise awareness about bullying. So

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 13>in investigating this, what we found is that for parents

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 13>sending their school their kids to school, it's basically a

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 13>luck of the draw as to whether the schools are

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 13>going to be equipped to dealing with bullying. Bullying policy

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 13>has barely evolved over the years. It is a cruel

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 13>lottery for parents based on whether the schools have their

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 13>also to deal with it, whether they're trained to deal

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 13>with it, and how they deal with any given circumstance

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 13>at any given time. So, what we think needs to

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.959
<v Speaker 13>happen and what these parents who we've interviewed want to

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 13>happen is a nationally consistent standard. And when I say

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 13>nationally consistent, I don't mean coming together on the lowest

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 13>common denominator. We think experts need to come together to

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 13>find very high measures, very high standards that schools need

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 13>to live up to.

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>In the documentary, you report that youth suicides have nearly

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<v Speaker 2>doubled since the iPhone was introduced. Do you think this

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 2>rise in bullying, you know, is solely because of the

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 2>rise of social media or is this just one of

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the many factors it's a factor.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 13>I mean, we know bullying has been around for deca forever, right,

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 13>Bullying is just an age old problem. But I think

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.479
<v Speaker 13>what's happened as time has evolved is that you cannot

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 13>escape it. So, you know, schools do put measures into place,

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 13>like some schools banned phones. There's been a consistent approach

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 13>on that across New South Wales, for example. But it

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 13>means that when kids go home, whereas traditionally they could

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 13>leave their bullies at school, their bullies follow them home,

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 13>They followed them into their bedroom, they follow them late

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:06.959
<v Speaker 13>at night, and so I think there is just this

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 13>relentlessness that hasn't always existed.

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I also think the rise of.

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 13>Social media gives rise to a viciousness that comes in

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 13>text form. You know, we see these keyboard warriors in

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 13>adult life. I think it's on a dissimilar thing for kids.

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 13>You know, I think in some ways the insults and

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 13>the attacks can become more vile.

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>So you're on our saying there should be a consistent

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 2>approach to bullying nationally. Is that this is what you're

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 2>campaigning for at the Saturday and Sunday Telegraph. Yes, yes,

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that's right.

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 13>The great thing was when we raised this issue, many

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 13>of the premiers were very quick to come to the

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 13>table and to say that they think there needs to

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 13>be a national standard. In fact, many shockingly were surprised

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 13>that they weren't. You know, within a day of us

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 13>releasing this this documentary pro card, the New South Wales

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 13>Education Minister announced that she wanted to bring all of

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 13>the sectors to the table in New South Wales to

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 13>create a state based bullying policy.

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>But we think it needs to go further. All right,

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Well Anna Cordwell, thank you for coming on. This is

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 2>such a powerful campaign. We're going to stick on it

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>and let's hope that it saves some young lives. Thanks Sherry,

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much. And if you or anyone you know

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>is struggling to cope, you can call Lifeline on thirteen

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>eleven fourteen. Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. Now coming up

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Labour's or WELLI and Misinformation Bill looks like it's dead

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 2>in the water. Well, what does this mean for our

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>free speech? I'm going to talk about that with media

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>lawyer Justin Quill later. Plus, Depak Chopper explains why he's

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>quitting politics, quitting following politics after Donald Trump's election. That's

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>after this quick break, welcome back. Well, a few months ago,

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>you might remember I spoke to Depak Chopper. He was

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 2>in the States to discuss the social unrest that has

0:34:55.680 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 2>spread across the globe after October seven. Since then, a

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>lot has changed the US election. We're in a time

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>of uncertainty, and war, and I caught up with Deepak

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Chapra this afternoon. He's in Sydney at the moment, and

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I asked his take on the current political climate. His

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>controversial answers came as a surprise. Here's that interview. Deepact,

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for your time. So wonderful to

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 2>see you here in Australia.

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, it's great to be with you again.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, since we last spoke in September, the US election

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>took place. You're passionate about not just spiritual wellbeing but

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>health as well. We've seen Donald Trump announce RFK as

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 2>his health secretary. Obesity is a major problem in America.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Do you have confidence that RFK will make a change

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and we'll be able to tackle this?

0:35:53.480 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I find RK full of contradiction and paradox. He is

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 3>views on nutrition, health and well being are actually quite good. However,

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 3>you seem gorging on McDonald's on the jet, on.

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>The private jet.

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't look like the perfect example of you know,

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:26.919
<v Speaker 3>somebody who could tackle abiste himself. And he has other

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 3>views which of course also controversial, like you know, the

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 3>whole vaccine conspiracy and the fact that vaccines cause autism

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.879
<v Speaker 3>for which there's no proof. I know that a lot

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 3>of people have very strong opinions about these matter, especially vaccines,

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 3>and yes, vaccines could have certain side effects, so does everything.

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 3>And for a person who grew up in India, where

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 3>I saw people dying of ado, of smallpox, even measles, tuberculosis,

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 3>I saw people on respirators, friends and relatives who lost

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 3>their lives. It's very difficult for anyone to convince me

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 3>that vaccines don't prevent some kinds of very devastating diseases.

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 3>So having said that, you know, America elected mister Trump,

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 3>and America basically was quite honest in the fact that

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 3>they want to miss their leader.

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.720
<v Speaker 1>And if he chooses a cabinet with the likes.

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 3>Of RFK and what's his name, Matt Gates, who's been

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 3>accused of all kinds of things, including sex trafficking, then

0:37:56.680 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 3>that's what apparently is the face of.

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 1>America right now.

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure everyone who's been you know, who's been

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 3>guilty of things like this. First we'll start with mister

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Trump pardoning himself and then his colleagues, but why not,

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 3>why not pardon all the other people in prison right now?

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 3>It just seems very strange to me, and I have

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 3>decided personally to totally disengage from politics.

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>It's not that you.

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Just in America, just in America globally in.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 3>General, because you know, the politics by itself, the more

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 3>I look at it is all about parmongering, influence, speddling, cronyism,

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 3>corruption followed the money trail and very mail dominated across

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 3>the board and so but just what it is. So

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, we have to accept these facts that whoever

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 3>the president is and lawfully legally elected, must reflect the

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 3>values of the country. And if these are the values

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 3>of America, so beet well.

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it reflects this result in America, this disillusionment

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>with the working class, with the political and media elite.

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, Trump represents the opposite to that. So, you know,

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 2>do you think we are seeing a movement or an

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>uprising by the working class against the values the ideology

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.439
<v Speaker 2>that is being foisted on them.

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I see that that the working classes.

0:39:52.360 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Is disenchanted, and I feel very strong that seified, you know,

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 3>because they're marginalized. The working people are marginalized. But I

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 3>don't see this administration as being their champion, because, if anything,

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 3>the rich are going to get richer with all their

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>tax cuts, and the very people that have hope in

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 3>this new administration are going to be left out. And

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that the other side could have been better. Yeah,

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just that it's the nature of bipartisan

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 3>politics for politicians.

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>To look out for themselves. Period.

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>In Australia, like in many other global cities, we've seen

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of social unrest. We've seen aggressive protesters, violence,

0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>anti semitism, hatred. A lot of my viewers in particular,

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 2>have been very distressed over the past year because of

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the anti semitism, this increase in racism that we're seeing.

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>What's your advice for us when we're trying to cope

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 2>in this tumultuous time.

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Be peaceful yourself, don't be racist, and hang out with

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 3>people like that. And then create your own communities. You know,

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 3>there are three things you can do. One is create

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 3>your own ecosystem, community of service, community, and of.

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>A spiritual bond. You know.

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Social scientists say that if we have shared vision, maximum diversity,

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 3>complement everybody's strengths, and create a spiritual and emotional bond,

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 3>then you can create a community which is peaceful and just.

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>On an individual level, you hear most people say they

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 2>feel busier than they ever have been. They don't have

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>enough time for their loved ones. What do you suggest

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>when people come to you with this problem.

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think only busy people have time. People who

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.399
<v Speaker 3>say I don't have time, they're just distracted. If you're

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 3>totally focused on what you're doing in the moment and

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 3>you're present, there's no fatigue. Fatiguers when you think about

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 3>the future, anticipate the future, or you regret the past,

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 3>but when you bring presents to any experience, there's absolutely

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 3>no fatigue.

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>So on an individual level, staying present, be present, Be present.

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 1>This is the only moment you have.

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Just finally, what's your best advice for staying healthy both

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>mentally and physically.

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Don't resist existence. Be go with the flow that you

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>have no choice.

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 3>The moment you resist existence, in this moment, you're distressed.

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<v Speaker 3>I recognize and recognize the impermanence of your existence. I

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<v Speaker 3>once saw a grieve saye to where there was a saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It said.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a saying on the grief sade and said,

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<v Speaker 3>where you are I once was, and where I am

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<v Speaker 3>you will soon be. So accept that impermanence. Once you

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<v Speaker 3>accept impermanence, every moment is precious.

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<v Speaker 2>It is indeed, well, thank you for spending your precious

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<v Speaker 2>moments with me here back really appreciate, thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>And the full interview with Deepak Chopper, where he also

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about how he thinks humans are going to evolve

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<v Speaker 2>into a meta species thanks to AI that'll be online

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<v Speaker 2>at skynews dot com dot au. Shortly right after this

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<v Speaker 2>shot break, Veteran media lawyer Justin Quill will talk us

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<v Speaker 2>through Labors Misinformation Bill, which hopefully looks like it's dead,

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<v Speaker 2>buried and cremated. What this means for our free speed

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<v Speaker 2>each an for censorship Next, well, good news now that

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like Anthony Albaneze's mission to introduce totalitarian style

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<v Speaker 2>misinformation laws are set to fail. This after cross bench

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<v Speaker 2>senators have basically all come out to say that they

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<v Speaker 2>are going to oppose the laws when it goes to

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<v Speaker 2>a vote in the Senate next week. Now the desperate

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<v Speaker 2>Albanize government is basically out of cross benj allies. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they're left scrambling to discuss this more. I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 2>media lawyer and partner at major law firm at Thompson

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<v Speaker 2>Gear justin Quill, justin great to see you. Look, these

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<v Speaker 2>were always dangerous, o'wellian laws. You and I have been

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<v Speaker 2>speaking about this for a year and a half now,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet the Albaneze government never backed down on them.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason it looks like they're going to fail

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<v Speaker 2>is because of the cross bench in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, extraordinary that it was even contemblided, extraordinary that it

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<v Speaker 14>was put forward seriously, and then just bewildering.

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<v Speaker 15>That here we are months and months later, even after

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<v Speaker 15>everyone pointed out all the problems with this proposed exercition,

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<v Speaker 15>but absolutely bewildering that we are still here and that

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<v Speaker 15>they haven't completely abandoned it.

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<v Speaker 16>So look, I guess it's a case of when you're

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<v Speaker 16>in government, you're trying to control the narrative. And that's

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<v Speaker 16>exactly what they're trying to do. They're trying to control

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<v Speaker 16>what people are saying and what people are thinking.

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<v Speaker 15>So concerning.

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<v Speaker 16>I know that sounds bisire and saying it, but that's

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<v Speaker 16>what that's what this bill was attempting to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what is this obsession with And I actually

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<v Speaker 2>think it's an obsession by the Prime Minister because we

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<v Speaker 2>heard during the Voice debate that he kept saying in

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament he kept accusing no campaigners of misinformation and disinformation.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Berney used it in misinformation line as well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what's their obsession with controlling information on the internet. Why

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<v Speaker 2>not just people have free speech and have different points

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<v Speaker 2>of view. Not everyone has to agree with him on

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<v Speaker 2>topics like the vice.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, well, I think it comes down to confidence, confidence

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<v Speaker 16>in yourself. If you're not confident in what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 16>then you don't want to expose yourself to transparency and

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<v Speaker 16>expose yourself to people's opinions because you probably did down

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<v Speaker 16>know that those opinions are going to win out against him.

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<v Speaker 16>The concerning thing about this bill, of course, was that

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<v Speaker 16>it was designed to capture a government Authorities actmo Alboy.

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<v Speaker 16>Some people say it's independent, but it's ultimately a government

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<v Speaker 16>body appointed by the government what they considered to be

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<v Speaker 16>reasonably verifiable as false, misleading or deceptive information. And then

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<v Speaker 16>it was to control and move and potentially investigat or

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<v Speaker 16>even jail people in relation to that what they consider false,

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<v Speaker 16>misleading or deceptive. I mean that's extraordinary stuff what might

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<v Speaker 16>be considered false today, Like later after discussion we found

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<v Speaker 16>me be true. I think about Sharon, you almost as

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<v Speaker 16>a lone voice in fact, on the question of whether

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<v Speaker 16>the COVID came from Wupan lab, and people cry that

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<v Speaker 16>you're saying, OK, that is absolutely false, of misleading, its

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<v Speaker 16>and deceptive. Now here we are today and I don't

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<v Speaker 16>think anyone can say that with anything, neither the gusto.

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<v Speaker 2>They did exactly. And there have been so many other issues,

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<v Speaker 2>not just that you just said then even jail I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about this on Monday night. But I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>something that wasn't well understood that even jail time could

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<v Speaker 2>have been. And I say it could have been. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it hasn't gone to the vote in the Senate yet,

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<v Speaker 2>we're expecting it's going to be voted down, but justin

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<v Speaker 2>people could have even been jailed for misinformation. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>about thirty seconds here.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, well, what we're talking about there, that's just be clear.

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<v Speaker 16>Is it not for the publication of misinformation? But the

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<v Speaker 16>government through the minister, could conduct an investigation and if

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<v Speaker 16>you don't comply with that investigation, provide information, provide documents,

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<v Speaker 16>answer questions, then you could be jailed and serious style

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<v Speaker 16>term it's not just a day of here or a day.

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<v Speaker 16>We're talking up to a year after not complying with

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<v Speaker 16>handing over a documents, or another year if you don't

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<v Speaker 16>answer question. So it was in the context of not

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<v Speaker 16>complying with an investigation. Still very concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's absolutely insanity. Is the sort of stuff we

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<v Speaker 2>see in Russia and China. We shouldn't have even been

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<v Speaker 2>fighting this cause in Australia. Justin quil Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for joining me tonight. That's all we've got time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for watching. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Paul Murray.