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Speaker 1: City and with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: A Prison Life, Get Around a Guy, Spring It ride

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Speaker 2: in A follows This is my cell and I'm the

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Speaker 2: top dog in the yard.

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Speaker 1: Women go to prison too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I know, but I'm in the man's prison at

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Speaker 2: the moment.

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Speaker 1: Good for everybody involved.

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Speaker 3: You've seen Sure Have you seen Sure Shank Redemption? Yes?

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Speaker 4: I have.

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Speaker 3: It's amazed.

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Speaker 5: Do you know how they took bits on who was

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Speaker 5: going to last the first night in prison?

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Speaker 3: I think we all know who would.

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Speaker 2: Now you're looking at me like i'd be labeled fresh meat? Well,

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Speaker 2: but guy, about that?

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Speaker 1: We I think it's a compliment. You're the most attractive.

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Speaker 2: Do you think so you want to hang out with

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Speaker 2: sort of the ethnic group in prison? Because I look

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Speaker 2: like that?

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Speaker 1: How do you think i'd go?

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Speaker 6: Not?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think i'd be great.

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Speaker 2: They call you Sally.

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Speaker 5: Just because you've watched a bit of Lizzie Birdsworth on Prisoner.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah maybe yeah? That's you had to kill everyone

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Speaker 4: with kindness, so you like.

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Speaker 3: The b character? You control the whole h division? Is

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Speaker 3: that you?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: How's this? There's a guy by the name of where

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Speaker 2: did his name go? Justin happening? Now? This guy he

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Speaker 2: gets paid up to one hundred thousand dollars. He runs

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Speaker 2: a company called White Collar Advice, So if you think

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Speaker 2: there's a chance you might be going to prison, you

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Speaker 2: pay for his advice on how to handle yourself in prison.

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Speaker 2: It's not like, yeah, he coaches you through what you

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Speaker 2: should do, whether it's smuggling money and to start with,

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Speaker 2: because obviously there's a currency in there, and if you

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Speaker 2: want to get things done, there's a way of getting

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Speaker 2: things done.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, welcome to class.

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Speaker 5: As you can see, everyone has a toothbrush in front

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Speaker 5: of it, and today we're going to turn that into

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Speaker 5: a shive.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to start to rub it against the

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Speaker 2: brick wall and it'll start to sharpen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, has Justin been to prison?

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Speaker 2: No, Justin hasn't been depressed. Sorry, yes he did. He

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Speaker 2: did time in prison. No no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has first hand in experience.

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Speaker 2: The number one thing you don't do when you go

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Speaker 2: to prison to start complaining. Now, oh, you wouldn't last

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Speaker 2: Delay Maxwell? Yes, you know Gislay Maxwell, who was the

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Speaker 2: she was associated with, Yeah Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: She was his partner.

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Speaker 2: Slast year, terrible crimes, right, as right terrible crimes. He

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Speaker 2: is known as prison Karen. She is known as prison Karen,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well this morning. She's filed over four hundred

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Speaker 2: complaints to the prison about what she wants, what she deserves,

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Speaker 2: and how she should be looked after. Number One thing

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Speaker 2: you do nor do in prison complain. That's get on

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Speaker 2: with people and you understand that you're moving into their world.

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Speaker 3: He says, well, that's the guard. You've got to be

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Speaker 3: on the guard, on the guard side.

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Speaker 2: In basic chat when you go into prison, like, is

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Speaker 2: one of your first questions what are you in for?

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Speaker 2: Or do you do that later on?

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Speaker 4: I think that's very forward. It would be your question

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Speaker 4: because you're that kind of goal. You don't have kind

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Speaker 4: of a filter between what your head's thinking and what

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Speaker 4: your mouth does.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So I'd be going in there saying, hey, murder.

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Speaker 1: Where are you from?

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Speaker 2: Hey, how's your day been?

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Speaker 3: What did you do?

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Speaker 2: I'll solitary confinement again? Well cool? What did you? Did

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Speaker 2: you murder someone or steal?

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Speaker 3: It'd be for you.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that there was a camera in the

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Speaker 5: Eastern Distribute from that raided a petrol station.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know that there was a

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Speaker 1: I kept parking my Range Rovere over the foot path.

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Speaker 2: I thought the signs were fake. Now I'd be the

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Speaker 2: guy who would just be trying to get out of

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Speaker 2: all sorts of trouble, and you'd do it by going, hey,

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Speaker 2: don't punch me, right, do not attack me at all?

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Speaker 2: Does your wife on the outside need an introduction to

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Speaker 2: a Landrover dealership or anything like that so you could

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Speaker 2: buy yourself out of situations? I reckon they would hate you,

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Speaker 2: be going, I know, Kate Richie, I'd be saying all

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Speaker 2: that sort of gid do you want to meet it? Awesome?

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Speaker 5: Okay we've changed names here, but we got Steve from

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Speaker 5: and here was good morning Steve.

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Speaker 3: Now have you been to jar yourself?

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Speaker 2: Steve?

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately?

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Speaker 3: How long for.

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: Telling ramand the last stint for five weeks? Today together the.

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Speaker 2: Case, Steve reminds me to be rotten because you're in

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Speaker 2: there with everybody really before a verdict is made. Is

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Speaker 2: that correct?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's sort of where you are in between being

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Speaker 7: guilty and being sound guilty.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so Steve, first day, any advice on the first day,

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Speaker 5: like do you get to meet many people or do

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Speaker 5: you stick to yourself?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so you'll be stuck in there with you know,

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Speaker 7: a bunch of blakes. They'll sent you down on the

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Speaker 7: prison track, down to love with silver water. Yep, that's

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Speaker 7: the remind Center, and you will meet up in a

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Speaker 7: little pod with you know, believe it or not, a

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Speaker 7: lot of sad and with strang people when you want

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Speaker 7: to be on your guard the most on. Everyone's very emotional. Yes,

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Speaker 7: everyone's very down and sad because they know what the

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Speaker 7: thing's going to be like and your outcome is unknown

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Speaker 7: at that day. Everyone vulnerable. He's a lot of people

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Speaker 7: with drugs that are coming.

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Speaker 4: Down anticipation of what's to come kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, do you say to them, hey, what are

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Speaker 2: you in for?

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Speaker 7: That is the golden rule.

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Speaker 4: Never are never if you don't ask. Is it generally

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is that kind of like prison gossip? Like everyone knows

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Speaker 4: that guy over there is here for that.

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Speaker 7: No, if it's a well known case or something that

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Speaker 7: the person who is away from other inmates, if it's

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Speaker 7: you know anyone what they're in.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, do you have to defend yourself?

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Speaker 7: No, No, it's definitely not like that. Like I said,

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of the trussed people in there. Yes,

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of sad people in there. But you know,

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Speaker 7: the cressroom was I was putting through what the h

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Speaker 7: and take your you know, just just go there and

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Speaker 7: be real. Yes, got to be a fake person.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 5: And do you have to keep to yourself, Steve, or

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Speaker 5: do you approach people and introduce yourself?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you're better off approaching people who introducing yourselves to

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Speaker 7: hide in the corner, because then people start getting stuff

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Speaker 7: on what sort of character you are?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you do you think it works? Like

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Speaker 4: when you're when you're in there, do you have time

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Speaker 4: to reflect? I get the feeling that you've been in

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Speaker 4: more than once? Would I be correct in thinking that?

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Speaker 4: So do you think that the process of being in

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Speaker 4: I guess is the point, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on all that.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe in the rehabilitation process, bail and it's

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Speaker 7: not really it's the loss of freedom and the loss

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Speaker 7: of the same day to day things. I've been able

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Speaker 7: to go stolp and you want stuff like that that

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Speaker 7: you missed. But the rehabilitation thing in is anything we

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Speaker 7: learn more of the other in whatever field you're in,

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Speaker 7: if you want to call it right.

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Speaker 2: So you're suggesting you become more educated on crime because

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Speaker 2: of the people you're around with.

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Speaker 7: Definitely could be definitely good.

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Speaker 5: Steve the Older. And this is only from we watch

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Speaker 5: you watch prison movies. It is this someone in that

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Speaker 8: Want, no comment, But is there always someone like I mean,

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Speaker 8: even if it is you're going to is it like

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Speaker 8: if Morgan Freeman wants that little.

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Speaker 1: Lax or he's got a pack, you know.

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Speaker 8: You can give it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you can get I'm going to break all

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Speaker 2: the rules and ask the question, what were you in for?

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Speaker 7: It was a pub fight?

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Speaker 2: You're going to a pub fight?

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Speaker 7: Did you want to be sideways? I won't go into

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Speaker 7: it too much, so much for and then and is

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Speaker 7: it someone in the nest?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, damage, okay, okay, we'll stave in sharing Steve.

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Speaker 3: We do appreciate you being honest and giving us a call.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate it, buddy, listening to this.

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Speaker 7: It's a great thing. It's it's not tough to go

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Speaker 7: to down. It's not something that you want on your resume.

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Speaker 7: And you know, faily straight now and how the law.

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Speaker 2: Follow the law Steve twenty four ten. If anybody else

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Speaker 2: has a story about being in prison, what it's like

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Speaker 2: fascinating here from Steve, and I asked love to break

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Speaker 2: the golden rule too and ask what were you in for? Fascinating?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to do that, and that's the question.

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Speaker 3: They don't really want to know that.

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Speaker 1: And they know where you live.

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Speaker 2: That's when you're in prison, Like when it's on radio,

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Speaker 2: it's fine entertainment. Prison. Amy is called through Amy from Dunsid.

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Speaker 2: How are you Amy? Hello? Hello, I was about to

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Speaker 2: be arrested for bad broadcasting.

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Speaker 3: You got pulled over again there, Amy? So how long

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Speaker 3: were you in prison for raimes?

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Speaker 6: I was in prison for four years, four years, seventy

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Speaker 6: three months and so far.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And can I ask that first day, Amy? Can

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Speaker 5: you is it very vivid in your mind for the

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Speaker 6: Yes, it was very overwhelming, very scary.

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Speaker 3: Did you talk to anyone?

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Speaker 6: Well, it was a long time to serve. So I've

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Speaker 6: done to five Christmases, five birthdays, so I had to

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Speaker 6: make it my home. Unfortunately, out of the bad experience,

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Speaker 6: it was a lot of people that go in there

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Speaker 6: have served a lot of time. They do little stings.

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Speaker 6: Is that the way to say it. Sure, So when

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Speaker 6: you go in, you get a screening, so they sit

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Speaker 6: you in a room with somebody and they screen you.

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Speaker 6: So if you're on drugs or you know, sort of

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Speaker 6: if you fear anybody, or you're scared of anybody on

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Speaker 6: the outside or the inside into protection, is that the case, right?

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Speaker 6: But I had no problem with no body. It was

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Speaker 6: my first time in prison as well. But there is

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Speaker 6: a future for people like in the first seventeen months

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Speaker 6: I was on remand, so you don't have an option

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Speaker 6: of any jobs or study or anything like that while

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Speaker 6: you're on remand. So it's quite hard at first. So

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Speaker 7: I'm going to be honest.

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Speaker 6: I went to a traumatic event and I turned to

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Speaker 2: That's what you're talking about the system and whether the

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Speaker 6: As well. It's not just the rehabilitation. People need to change.

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Speaker 6: I don't accept to change. It's not going to work.

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Speaker 6: And you need to get rid of the people you

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Speaker 2: I mean, tell me what happens in prison if you

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Speaker 6: Well, I've done six months as segregate segregation.

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Speaker 6: So you're locked away for twenty three hours a day? Well,

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Speaker 6: Twenty three hours locked in a day, and then you

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Speaker 6: It's up to the discretion.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing there for twenty three hours? Aim, like,

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Speaker 6: White Riding on the Wall. Okay, j are you crazy? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Did you have an enemy your psychotics in there? Yes?

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Speaker 6: and now that it's not not nice, it's dreadful, it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you and your you and your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing now that you said you've been sober for

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Speaker 4: How do you keep moving forward knowing that you are

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Speaker 6: I just I don't know what it is. I just

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, really well, can we keep Amy on the books,

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Speaker 5: because you know what, that's someone who has turned her.

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Speaker 1: Life around and absolutely good honor, but she's.

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Speaker 5: Get into travel in prison as well and then got

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