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Speaker 1: The city and we with Kate Richie podcast. We always

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Speaker 1: love getting this man.

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Speaker 2: Well usually you know what, Usually it's FaceTime or it's

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Speaker 2: over the phone because Aunt's overseas. But he is here

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Speaker 2: and now with us, and he is promoting Essays Australia,

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Speaker 2: which kicked off last night on Channel seven and seven plus.

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Speaker 2: And also AT's got a brand new podcast out, original

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Speaker 2: Nova podcast. It's called head Game now on the Nova

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Speaker 2: Player app.

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Speaker 1: It is the Magnificent Middle Way, Too.

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Speaker 2: Kind Way Too.

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Speaker 3: And I thought I was mad, you lot, absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 4: You are completely mad because I've seen the promo for

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Speaker 4: the new sash and to think that you are putting

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Speaker 4: people into coffins alive?

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Speaker 1: Is that roughly what we're looking at.

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Speaker 3: We can get away of that, can't we? Brilliant people

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Speaker 3: that last season I'll set people on fire?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that was fun and how do how are

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Speaker 1: you going to top that? And that was just people

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Speaker 1: live waterboarding, that was just the camera men. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to leave them there.

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Speaker 2: So okay, so this one's over in the Middle East

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Speaker 2: because I know you've gone to Ginder, but you've done

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Speaker 2: mine in ginderby in here you'll get the freezing cold water.

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Speaker 1: But over in the Middle East, My god, should it

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Speaker 1: be hot over their head?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what it's the polar opposite, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: It's sand dunes. No one can hear you sort of scream.

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Speaker 3: You feel isolated, you feel trapped exactly where we want

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Speaker 3: to keep you sort of psychologically until we start working

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Speaker 3: on them. But it's it's a harsh environment. You can't

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Speaker 3: get away from the heat. It's not like the cold

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Speaker 3: where you can put on yeh, heat up. You can't

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Speaker 3: strip off, strip away your skin. So it's brutal. Just

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Speaker 3: the elements of brutal. The environment is brutal, and then

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Speaker 3: you've got us the DS on top of that. It

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Speaker 3: just makes for a bad, bad cocktaweyl, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Can you give me Aunt Middleton one moment? I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously you're in this role because you have the experience.

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Speaker 4: Can you give me one example that you've found yourself

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Speaker 4: in where you thought physically, I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 4: going to get out of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only escaping evasion for me. We go

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Speaker 3: on the run in Scotland for five days. The highlands

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Speaker 3: of Scotland. You wouldn't be getting much slope here. No,

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Speaker 3: you have to cover thirty miles a day is fifty

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Speaker 3: k fifty k is a day, five days, no food,

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Speaker 3: no water. Yeah, you have to sort of scavenge escaping

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Speaker 3: evasion parts. So you've already done body three four months

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Speaker 3: of the course. This is sort of like the final

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Speaker 3: final test, like a young.

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Speaker 1: Kid on a bend or at a music fish exactly.

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Speaker 3: I've done the three days before, but five days really.

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Speaker 4: Really like trying to get out of burning there.

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Speaker 1: When there's a fun did you get through it?

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Speaker 3: And I can just remember it was it was so

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Speaker 3: excrucially painful just to walk and you're hallucinating at this

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Speaker 3: still day two into it, day three, you're hallucinating. I

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Speaker 3: was dreaming that I was coming to dates and there

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Speaker 3: was a big giants guarding the gates, and I sort

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Speaker 3: of it was it was so psychologically and physically demand

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Speaker 3: that I just laid down. I remember just getting to

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Speaker 3: one amount of cover, hopefully the hunter force might see me,

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Speaker 3: and thought, do you know what, I'm just gonna lie until

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Speaker 3: they catch me. I'm done, And then something just gave

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Speaker 3: you know, you just have one of those moments where

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Speaker 3: you're just like, you've come this far, and yeah, you've

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Speaker 3: calmed this far. You and I almost use the tricks

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Speaker 3: that your mind's playing against you to your advantage. So

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Speaker 3: I remember just getting up and I was still hallucinating

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Speaker 3: and just thinking, right, just tend you're in a dream,

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Speaker 3: just go along until and it was the most surreal,

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Speaker 3: bizarre situation that I've ever been through. But I can

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Speaker 3: remember for the next forty eight hours just went like that,

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Speaker 3: And it's almost I surrendered myself to the process, right,

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Speaker 1: Not really much I can do to it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what the course is about, right when you

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Speaker 3: get on my on my course, surrender yourself to the process.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, the first season was the best because

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Speaker 2: remember for Asdaurania, he fought you everything he said, I

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Speaker 2: didn't do that, it wasn't me. Or this person is

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Speaker 2: letting us down, absolutely slayd him. Is there anyone on

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Speaker 2: this series who go down there that questions you? Or

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Speaker 2: does everyone learn?

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Speaker 1: Now? Do you know what? There's some interesting characters.

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Speaker 3: So you've got your Anthony Moundine, Yeah, Monday, So he's

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Speaker 3: a he's a fiery character, passing me the listener, because

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Speaker 3: I'm not very good with names.

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Speaker 1: I'm good with numbers. I believe he's number three.

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Speaker 2: Part So the podcast, you're talking to people that some

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Speaker 2: of these people.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't even be here with us, should should they?

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Speaker 3: I thought I met some interesting people on S A S.

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Speaker 3: The people that you've pulled in for me for this.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't get impressed for you easily, or

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Speaker 3: I'm not very blown away very easily, but cost some

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Speaker 3: of these people.

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Speaker 2: From the Beaconsfield minds. He was down there and endured

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Speaker 2: you see, I do you know what? Obviously we heard

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Speaker 2: a bit when he came when he came out, but

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know where his headspace is now.

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Speaker 1: And do you know what? Do you reckon? He's still

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Speaker 1: troubled a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think he is, But I think I think you

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Speaker 3: cannot You can't not be you know, there's always and again,

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Speaker 3: do you treat it as trauma? Do you treat it

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Speaker 3: as a life experience? If you treat it as trauma,

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Speaker 3: you're always going to live in that moment. What a

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Speaker 3: great guy to chat to you though you're just looking

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Speaker 3: in his eyes. You can see the pain when you

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Speaker 3: look into these people's eyes.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't want to have to get in the helmet

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Speaker 4: ever again, does he?

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Speaker 1: I love it. The podcast is called head Game.

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Speaker 2: You also talked to homicide detective Gary Jubilan and an

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Speaker 2: expire Jack Beaumont, which I'm really interested in hearing that once.

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Speaker 4: Can I just jump in? No, Middleton, you missed an opportunity,

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Speaker 4: Kate Richie says. My dad messaged me saying I should

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Speaker 4: be on this show. Do you want to take a

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Speaker 4: moment to form Kate?

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Speaker 3: When I was looking at you thinking to my I

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Speaker 3: can just envision a uniform on you, uniform number on your.

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Speaker 1: You know what I want? Yes?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, not just a number.

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Speaker 3: In the studio.

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Speaker 1: No, no.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what the funny thing is?

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Speaker 2: I actually think doing sas would be less traumatic for

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Speaker 2: me than putting on a leotard and doing dancing with

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Speaker 2: the stuff.

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Speaker 3: Correct, you're right, that's a great.

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Speaker 2: So it's back tonight on seven and seven plus. But

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Speaker 2: Aunt Middleton's brand new original podcast and Nova. It's called

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Speaker 2: head Game. You can get it now on the novaplayer

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Speaker 2: app app. Always a pleasure to get.

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Speaker 1: You in and thank you very much for your time, buddy.

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Speaker 3: It's all mine at Middleton Here Author TV host, former

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Speaker 3: soldier and adventurer. I've always been fascinated with the power

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Speaker 3: of mindset and what humans are capable of if they

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Speaker 3: learn to harness their minds. In my new podcast, head Game,

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Speaker 3: I'm speaking to people who have beat the odds and

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Speaker 3: achieved the unthinkable by getting their head in the game.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I come out of those interview rooms and feel

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Speaker 2: absolutely dirty and droned because.

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Speaker 1: I've sat opposite pure evil.

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Speaker 3: Listen to head Game wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Ritzy and WEFO with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast.

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