WEBVTT - BREAKING - Arrested and Charged 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.281 Appoja Production. 0:00:10.441 --> 0:00:14.281 Welcome back to Poison, the podcast about the allegations about 0:00:14.281 --> 0:00:17.681 a social media influencer who allegedly drugged one of her 0:00:17.761 --> 0:00:21.841 children to gain followers and in turn cash in. As 0:00:21.881 --> 0:00:24.401 always on the podcast, I'm joined by Mickey Fisher, who's 0:00:24.441 --> 0:00:27.961 a social media content creator, a Reiki instructor and a 0:00:28.041 --> 0:00:29.441 mum of three kids. 0:00:29.961 --> 0:00:33.481 Massive day, I've received about a thousand CM. 0:00:33.961 --> 0:00:37.081 We found out about eleven oh six am this morning, 0:00:37.921 --> 0:00:39.560 and I found out from you. I was in a 0:00:39.561 --> 0:00:43.361 meeting and you text with the announcement from police media. 0:00:43.801 --> 0:00:47.001 They basically told everyone or certainly media that there was 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.960 going to be a press conference within the hour, and 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.081 so we were able to drop everything and head to 0:00:52.081 --> 0:00:53.401 that press conference today. 0:00:53.881 --> 0:00:56.921 I was there. You've now seen it online. 0:00:57.001 --> 0:01:00.121 In the room, there's about thirty reporters who all get 0:01:00.121 --> 0:01:03.240 to ask questions of the detective inspector who had been 0:01:03.321 --> 0:01:07.201 running the case. Actually going to play that whole audio 0:01:07.281 --> 0:01:10.801 now from that police inspector who was leading the case 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.601 into these allegations. 0:01:17.321 --> 0:01:19.560 We are good. My name's Paul Dalton. 0:01:19.601 --> 0:01:21.800 I'm a detective inspector in charge of the South Risban 0:01:21.881 --> 0:01:24.600 District Child Protection Investigation Unit. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:25.920 Before we start. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.360 I'll like to advise that the nature of the offense 0:01:28.401 --> 0:01:30.761 and charges discussed may be distressing to. 0:01:30.721 --> 0:01:33.200 Some people here and who later may view their recording. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.880 I can advise that earlier today, detectives from the Morning 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:41.681 Side Child Protection Investigation Unit attendant to Logan where they 0:01:41.881 --> 0:01:45.041 arrested a thirty four year old Sunshine Case woman in 0:01:45.081 --> 0:01:48.281 relation to allegedly poisoning a one year old girl who. 0:01:48.201 --> 0:01:50.121 Was known to her. 0:01:51.121 --> 0:01:53.800 So right now you are under arrest for the administration 0:01:53.881 --> 0:01:57.001 of poison. You have the right train silent, you don't 0:01:57.001 --> 0:01:57.561 have to say. 0:01:57.361 --> 0:01:58.241 Anything, and it's running. 0:01:58.241 --> 0:01:59.721 But she's in the best statement unless she was. 0:01:59.761 --> 0:02:03.160 On the fifteenth of October last year, medical staff from 0:02:03.161 --> 0:02:06.401 a hospital in Brisbane South contact the police in relation 0:02:06.481 --> 0:02:09.321 to concerns they had of harm that was being caused 0:02:09.321 --> 0:02:10.441 to a child. 0:02:10.681 --> 0:02:12.960 That was a patient at that hospital. 0:02:13.601 --> 0:02:16.680 Police attended took immediate action to ensure the safety of 0:02:16.721 --> 0:02:23.161 the child, commenced an investigation operation Whiskey Hitch was subch 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.161 only commenced and operated out of the Morning Side CPIU, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.201 which today resulted in charges being laid against the thirty 0:02:32.201 --> 0:02:36.121 four year old Sunshine Case women for eleven offenses. These 0:02:36.161 --> 0:02:40.161 offenses include five administering poison with the intent to harm, 0:02:41.041 --> 0:02:44.680 three counts of preparation to commit crimes with dangerous things, 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.201 one count of torture, one count of making child exploitation material, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:54.481 and one charge of fraud. In relation to these charges, 0:02:54.601 --> 0:02:57.961 police will be alleging that between the sixth of August 0:02:58.161 --> 0:03:02.721 last year and the fifteenth of October, the woman administered 0:03:02.841 --> 0:03:06.441 several prescription and pharmacy medications to the one year year 0:03:06.441 --> 0:03:08.081 old girl without medical approval. 0:03:08.921 --> 0:03:09.800 We were further. 0:03:09.561 --> 0:03:11.601 Alleged but the woman went their links to conceal her 0:03:11.601 --> 0:03:15.121 continued efforts to a minister the unauthorized medicine until the 0:03:15.161 --> 0:03:18.761 offense was detected by medical staff and police while the 0:03:18.841 --> 0:03:22.081 child was being subject to it to immense distress and pain. 0:03:22.441 --> 0:03:25.481 It is alleged the woman filmed and posted footage of 0:03:25.721 --> 0:03:29.921 this of the child. It's also alleged that the content 0:03:30.001 --> 0:03:34.161 produced exploitation material that the child was suffering at the time, 0:03:34.561 --> 0:03:38.761 and this was used to entice monetary donations from unknown followers. 0:03:40.721 --> 0:03:45.561 There are no words to describe just how repulsive offense 0:03:45.641 --> 0:03:50.361 of this nature are. Child protection investigators regularly have to 0:03:50.561 --> 0:03:55.921 deal with investigators investigate offenses against children of very serious 0:03:55.961 --> 0:04:01.721 and distressing ways. There is no excuse for hurting a child, 0:04:02.921 --> 0:04:06.881 particularly one so young that is dependent on adults too 0:04:06.961 --> 0:04:12.241 careful and love for them. CPOU detectors are committed and 0:04:12.361 --> 0:04:14.721 continuing work every day. They do their best to make 0:04:14.761 --> 0:04:19.401 sure that our kids are safe, and I lead a 0:04:19.401 --> 0:04:20.881 lot of them, and I know what they're like. They 0:04:20.881 --> 0:04:23.001 are title us and their endeavors to do that, and 0:04:23.041 --> 0:04:26.001 they are just as entire titus and ruthless when it 0:04:26.001 --> 0:04:29.601 comes to tracking down perpetrators or alleged perpetrators who hurt 0:04:29.641 --> 0:04:32.281 our kids. We'll do everything that we possibly can and 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.080 make sure that these people are held accountable. 0:04:36.041 --> 0:04:39.321 The first question from a reporter was is there anyone 0:04:39.401 --> 0:04:41.880 else being investigated in this case? 0:04:43.401 --> 0:04:43.561 Now? 0:04:43.601 --> 0:04:45.880 The investigation now has been conducted. 0:04:46.161 --> 0:04:48.721 And the follow up question from that same reporter, so 0:04:48.841 --> 0:04:51.041 the father had no involvement at all. 0:04:51.841 --> 0:04:54.641 As I said before, we've investigated a lot of people 0:04:54.641 --> 0:04:56.521 in relation to this. The idea events that we can 0:04:56.641 --> 0:05:01.281 establish to the satisfaction of the court is the lady. 0:05:01.001 --> 0:05:02.561 We charged can probably go back. 0:05:02.561 --> 0:05:05.441 And I'm very mindful here that I'm whether a young 0:05:05.521 --> 0:05:09.001 child is our victim, I have to respect that child's 0:05:09.761 --> 0:05:11.641 the reason the child was a hospital to start with 0:05:12.121 --> 0:05:15.401 other family members and where that child is now central. 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.041 The child was at a hospital for quite a serious 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.721 metal condition that was being treated on the fifteenth of October. 0:05:23.361 --> 0:05:27.361 Hospital staff had enough information enough concerns to call police. 0:05:28.241 --> 0:05:32.001 Detectives from the CPOU attended that day and their first concern, 0:05:32.041 --> 0:05:34.881 as it is with any child protection investigation, is the 0:05:34.961 --> 0:05:38.041 welfare and the safety of that child. I won't explain 0:05:38.081 --> 0:05:40.681 the process that we use, but the child was immediately 0:05:40.721 --> 0:05:43.400 put into a situation that we were satisfied they were 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.361 in a safe position, and it also extends to siblings 0:05:46.361 --> 0:05:49.080 and other family matters. Since that time, we've been running 0:05:49.081 --> 0:05:52.601 out quite a thorough investigation. It's gone for several months, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.200 as the timeline indicates, then investigates and involved a lot 0:05:57.241 --> 0:06:02.841 of forensic and medical statements opinion from the experts that 0:06:03.001 --> 0:06:06.281 US police don't understand, and that is sort of explains 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.321 why it's taken to this stage to get to. 0:06:10.281 --> 0:06:11.801 Yes, that's as far as I can take you with that. 0:06:12.401 --> 0:06:15.561 How important was the woman's social media in your investigation 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.521 and the posts that she'd made. 0:06:17.561 --> 0:06:19.960 That look, that's become what we will allege you be 0:06:20.001 --> 0:06:23.441 the motive there essentially, and once again I'll stress this 0:06:23.521 --> 0:06:28.361 is an allegation, but we believe that the person we 0:06:28.361 --> 0:06:33.601 have charged has administered these drugs, this poison to increase 0:06:33.641 --> 0:06:37.281 that person's social media profile and views and thereby obtaining 0:06:37.281 --> 0:06:38.320 a financial benefit. 0:06:38.561 --> 0:06:42.481 Was the child ever actually sick and did she actually 0:06:42.521 --> 0:06:45.361 undergo some of the medical procedures and surgeries that the 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.041 mother claimed in these videos. 0:06:47.161 --> 0:06:49.441 Look, the child was in hospital and being treated for 0:06:49.481 --> 0:06:51.161 quite as three as illness. That's as far as I'll 0:06:51.201 --> 0:06:56.440 go with that. As far as what we will say 0:06:56.601 --> 0:07:01.281 the result of the administering of the poison, all I 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.320 can say it was a medical episode, and the experts 0:07:04.361 --> 0:07:07.281 have described vibe that the child would have been going 0:07:07.681 --> 0:07:11.321 through severe emotional and physical distress. 0:07:10.841 --> 0:07:14.241 And heart In terms of the motive, will you allege 0:07:14.281 --> 0:07:18.401 that it was more important seeing the following than the 0:07:18.401 --> 0:07:19.201 monetary side of it? 0:07:19.401 --> 0:07:21.401 I think one leads to the other. Yeah, I think, 0:07:21.521 --> 0:07:22.881 And look, I'm not a big. 0:07:24.161 --> 0:07:25.801 Up to date on social mere mind is seeing the 0:07:25.841 --> 0:07:28.521 more views you get, the more following it, the more 0:07:28.561 --> 0:07:29.361 opportunity there is. 0:07:29.321 --> 0:07:30.081 To make money. 0:07:31.281 --> 0:07:31.881 How much. 0:07:34.801 --> 0:07:36.201 So we're a less in the days that are between 0:07:36.241 --> 0:07:38.121 the eighth of August and the fifteenth October, and we're 0:07:38.161 --> 0:07:40.441 saying just over sixty thousand dollars. 0:07:40.401 --> 0:07:42.121 And what has happened to that money? Have you been 0:07:42.161 --> 0:07:44.280 able to recover any of it or has it been spent? 0:07:44.401 --> 0:07:45.361 And if so, what on? 0:07:45.841 --> 0:07:48.121 So we've been dealing with gofund ME. 0:07:48.681 --> 0:07:52.081 I understand through my investigators that they are making attempts 0:07:52.161 --> 0:07:56.161 to repay that money to the people through the condness 0:07:56.201 --> 0:07:59.041 of the heart who've donated that money, and we will 0:07:59.041 --> 0:08:02.561 be seeking that money back in restitution should she be 0:08:02.881 --> 0:08:06.721 convicted a later day. Children back in the father's care. 0:08:07.441 --> 0:08:09.001 All I can say is the kids are safe. 0:08:09.441 --> 0:08:12.321 What were the drugs being administered allegedly improperly? 0:08:13.041 --> 0:08:16.241 There are words I cannot pronounce and and look at 0:08:16.241 --> 0:08:19.521 all seriousness what we now say was in the child's 0:08:19.521 --> 0:08:21.721 system as a matter for the court to determine one 0:08:21.721 --> 0:08:23.561 way or the other. So I won't go down that 0:08:23.561 --> 0:08:27.721 line because I don't want to jeopardize any future court cases. Yeah, 0:08:28.121 --> 0:08:30.961 child's going, the child's going. Well, can you talk about 0:08:31.001 --> 0:08:33.601 how she tried to conceal her behavior? No, that'll be 0:08:33.681 --> 0:08:35.801 part of the matter before the court of the moment. 0:08:35.841 --> 0:08:37.401 So I'm probably crossing to many lines there. 0:08:37.481 --> 0:08:39.161 Yeah, you have. 0:08:39.161 --> 0:08:42.160 You seized any assets that you believe are the proceeds 0:08:42.201 --> 0:08:43.161 of this crime? 0:08:43.321 --> 0:08:45.561 Or will you be seeking to do so? No, we haven't. 0:08:45.561 --> 0:08:49.841 No, we'll be seeking to Basically, those days I explained 0:08:49.961 --> 0:08:54.361 relate to the fraud between I. Was it August and October? 0:08:54.961 --> 0:08:57.761 That's the sixty thousand dollars. That's what we've charged. That's 0:08:57.761 --> 0:09:00.121 what we were alleging has been taken. That's the money 0:09:00.161 --> 0:09:01.281 we'll be seeking back from that. 0:09:01.441 --> 0:09:04.881 Yeah, did you forensically go through her social media accounts? 0:09:05.201 --> 0:09:07.641 Did matter? And those types of companies help me through? 0:09:07.801 --> 0:09:10.321 That's all been done to what extents are and there's 0:09:10.321 --> 0:09:12.561 probably a bit too gritty for me to know, but 0:09:12.601 --> 0:09:15.481 I'm satisfied that the investigators has gone through all of 0:09:15.521 --> 0:09:19.321 her social media counts through our forensic computer experts that 0:09:19.361 --> 0:09:19.881 we do use. 0:09:20.041 --> 0:09:22.641 That's sixty thousand dollars. Did that all end up in 0:09:22.681 --> 0:09:26.001 this woman's hands or did it remain with go fund Me? 0:09:26.961 --> 0:09:28.041 No? No, it's with the woman. 0:09:28.121 --> 0:09:34.561 Yeah, there are five counts. Was there how have we 0:09:34.641 --> 0:09:38.521 decided there were five extences? And was there video or 0:09:38.521 --> 0:09:39.481 photographic evidence? 0:09:39.561 --> 0:09:42.321 Okay, we're probably getting close to that line where I 0:09:42.321 --> 0:09:45.441 can't comment too much. Further, Those five counts of that 0:09:45.521 --> 0:09:49.481 particular administrator relate to a specific drug that was that 0:09:49.561 --> 0:09:52.921 we alleged was in the child's system when we did tests. 0:09:54.561 --> 0:09:56.761 There are more. 0:09:56.641 --> 0:09:59.041 Than five occasions where we believe the child was administer 0:09:59.201 --> 0:10:00.641 that that drug. 0:10:01.241 --> 0:10:05.681 They all pharmaceutical, prescription drugs or were there any creational? 0:10:05.881 --> 0:10:09.521 There was pharmaceutical and there was one one from a 0:10:09.561 --> 0:10:10.321 chemist as well. 0:10:10.601 --> 0:10:13.401 Have you received any advice from medical experts on what 0:10:13.481 --> 0:10:16.161 could have happened to this child had investigators not. 0:10:16.161 --> 0:10:16.961 Stepped in when they do. 0:10:17.281 --> 0:10:20.921 It's been described that gravely hill great, gravely ill with 0:10:21.601 --> 0:10:24.921 the possibility of the child passing away in your time. 0:10:24.841 --> 0:10:26.921 As a police officer, I mean, how cawless is this 0:10:27.521 --> 0:10:30.641 allegedly of course the legs that she went to to 0:10:30.681 --> 0:10:32.121 simply get likes and views. 0:10:32.641 --> 0:10:35.921 Yeah, look, it's you try and put on the words 0:10:35.961 --> 0:10:39.481 to describe this, and with any child abuse matter, it's 0:10:39.561 --> 0:10:43.401 quite difficult. I think it's horrendous on a few different 0:10:43.441 --> 0:10:47.641 levels here. Generally speaking, it's affected a lot of people. 0:10:47.881 --> 0:10:51.001 Not only are we alleging that the child was tortured 0:10:51.001 --> 0:10:54.441 over three month period, now again use Tha's words, suffered, 0:10:54.441 --> 0:10:58.721 se mere emotional and physical distress and harm. Siblings would 0:10:58.721 --> 0:11:00.881 be aware of this. Are the innocent family members that 0:11:01.001 --> 0:11:04.041 be aware of this. This follows on to the good 0:11:04.081 --> 0:11:07.761 people in our community who followed this person, supported this person, 0:11:08.121 --> 0:11:11.441 provided they're harder and cash to do that, which also 0:11:11.521 --> 0:11:13.481 follows on. We've got to understand too, and I think 0:11:13.601 --> 0:11:16.561 is important to note that the hospital staff must be 0:11:17.361 --> 0:11:20.561 extremely distressed and anxious about what happened here, and they've 0:11:20.561 --> 0:11:23.321 done nothing wrong at all. You know, we will be 0:11:23.361 --> 0:11:25.241 alleging that this person has done what she's done in 0:11:25.321 --> 0:11:31.121 defiance of mendical opinion. So it affects a lot of people. 0:11:31.521 --> 0:11:33.641 And I think the worst thing that could happen would 0:11:33.681 --> 0:11:38.201 be if as a society we lose our generous, oussie 0:11:38.281 --> 0:11:40.721 nature where we dig in and help our mates out 0:11:41.001 --> 0:11:44.161 because of one bad incident. Of course, we've got to 0:11:44.161 --> 0:11:46.121 be careful where we're sending our money, what we're doing 0:11:46.161 --> 0:11:48.761 with it. But as I said, I hate to see 0:11:48.841 --> 0:11:51.521 us to see us lose that ausie spirit of helping 0:11:51.561 --> 0:11:54.601 your mate over something that doesn't happen that often. 0:11:55.881 --> 0:12:00.081 Being this is the first case that we've seen in Australia. 0:12:00.281 --> 0:12:03.681 Does this open your eyes to this happening with other influence. 0:12:03.761 --> 0:12:07.241 Yeah, possibly, Yeah, as far as it could be happening elsewhere. 0:12:07.321 --> 0:12:10.681 Look, I e could Yeah, the mother did. 0:12:10.601 --> 0:12:16.001 Claim that, uh, the child's after virginity they talk about, 0:12:16.001 --> 0:12:20.001 but was does that appear to be the case or 0:12:20.401 --> 0:12:23.121 will the police allege that the officers were primarily brought 0:12:23.121 --> 0:12:23.681 along life? 0:12:24.121 --> 0:12:24.281 No? 0:12:24.281 --> 0:12:26.001 No, there was no doubt the child wasn't hospital for 0:12:26.321 --> 0:12:29.601 initially for a genuine reason r genuine serious health reason. 0:12:29.681 --> 0:12:30.001 Yeah. 0:12:30.201 --> 0:12:32.641 What about the social media companies TikTok et cetera. 0:12:32.721 --> 0:12:34.481 Did they have a what disponsibility they have? 0:12:34.601 --> 0:12:37.121 And you know what happens to these posted his material? 0:12:37.881 --> 0:12:39.841 Ah, Look, I can't comment on that. 0:12:40.681 --> 0:12:43.561 People post what they like on on on these on 0:12:43.601 --> 0:12:46.081 these formats all the time. I think a little bit 0:12:46.121 --> 0:12:48.521 of responsibility goes back probably the person that's actually viewing it. 0:12:48.561 --> 0:12:50.201 If you don't like it, just just get rid of it. 0:12:50.281 --> 0:12:50.481 Yeah. 0:12:50.641 --> 0:12:53.161 Was there any indication that she had munch Housing's white 0:12:53.201 --> 0:12:56.361 proxy or was this purely just the monetary and followers? 0:12:56.401 --> 0:12:59.081 Actually, that has not been raised to us by any 0:12:59.121 --> 0:13:02.641 person during the interview, during the investigation, and certainly we 0:13:02.801 --> 0:13:05.241 found no evidence to suggest that. 0:13:05.441 --> 0:13:08.161 Yeah, it would be incoporated with police, and how was 0:13:08.161 --> 0:13:09.281 her response this morning? 0:13:10.161 --> 0:13:11.881 Looked at it, she was copper with police. She went 0:13:11.921 --> 0:13:12.361 with police. 0:13:12.681 --> 0:13:14.001 I mean she was placed on at rest, so she 0:13:14.081 --> 0:13:16.481 had no choice in the matter. 0:13:17.161 --> 0:13:19.241 Was she surprised or what? What was sort of the 0:13:19.321 --> 0:13:21.401 reaction you got when you turned up on the door? 0:13:21.601 --> 0:13:22.241 Oh, I wasn't there. 0:13:22.241 --> 0:13:24.281 I had other detectives go down there with it, and 0:13:24.281 --> 0:13:25.441 no one likes it's knocking on the door. 0:13:25.441 --> 0:13:28.241 One arresting them. But there was no no issues. 0:13:29.321 --> 0:13:30.641 Does she have legal representation? 0:13:31.001 --> 0:13:31.761 I believe she doesn't. 0:13:31.801 --> 0:13:32.761 You in the real. 0:13:32.761 --> 0:13:35.601 Police you say that she disregarded medical advice? 0:13:35.721 --> 0:13:38.361 Would aye alleging that someone advised her not to do 0:13:38.401 --> 0:13:39.041 this because one. 0:13:38.961 --> 0:13:39.601 Knew about it. 0:13:39.801 --> 0:13:43.281 We're alleging that that the hospital has had given her 0:13:43.321 --> 0:13:47.801 and made the offender or wherever treatment plane, anything outside 0:13:47.841 --> 0:13:50.001 that treatment plane, you're not taking it the advice? 0:13:50.081 --> 0:13:52.641 Yeah, what sort of placement to police? 0:13:52.641 --> 0:13:52.921 Hope? 0:13:52.921 --> 0:13:55.281 And what sort of postman will prosecute to seeking president? 0:13:56.921 --> 0:13:59.401 Look, God, there's probably going too far down the line. 0:13:59.721 --> 0:14:00.601 We we got it. 0:14:01.121 --> 0:14:03.521 These are any allegations at this stage. I will say 0:14:03.561 --> 0:14:06.441 that like the offense of two, you can do fourteen 0:14:06.521 --> 0:14:11.001 years for that child exploitation material is twenty years, so 0:14:11.441 --> 0:14:13.921 the consequences can quite be can be quite severe. 0:14:14.681 --> 0:14:20.241 Was this woman allegedly, you know, naive or brazen and 0:14:20.281 --> 0:14:23.601 given this child the wrong medication? Or was she trying 0:14:23.641 --> 0:14:26.561 to make the child appear six to get sympathy and 0:14:27.401 --> 0:14:28.081 likes and stuff like. 0:14:28.721 --> 0:14:30.401 Was she trying to hurt the child? Was saying it 0:14:30.401 --> 0:14:34.201 was an intentional act to gain a benefit the woman. 0:14:34.241 --> 0:14:37.521 Does she remain in custody ahead of that court appearance tomorrow? 0:14:37.561 --> 0:14:38.921 Correct? Yeah, she's in custody now. 0:14:38.961 --> 0:14:41.641 She appear the Brison manustrates court in the morning, and 0:14:41.681 --> 0:14:43.081 we've objected to a bail. 0:14:43.401 --> 0:14:43.561 Yes. 0:14:43.641 --> 0:14:47.801 Things that really stood out to me as quite significant. 0:14:48.201 --> 0:14:50.841 One the fact that he said that the police have 0:14:50.961 --> 0:14:54.601 objected to bail, which means that bail is not an option. 0:14:54.721 --> 0:14:55.401 Is that correct? 0:14:55.481 --> 0:14:58.201 Correct, Well, yes, the police have objected to it. 0:14:58.401 --> 0:15:02.161 However, it's still up to a judge to decide whether 0:15:02.201 --> 0:15:05.641 it's relevant or not. That's the that's the prosecution case, 0:15:06.241 --> 0:15:09.361 but the defense's case might be something else. They might say, well, 0:15:09.441 --> 0:15:13.281 actually she needs she can't, she's not a flight risk, etc. 0:15:13.601 --> 0:15:13.761 Etc. 0:15:14.081 --> 0:15:14.281 Etc. 0:15:14.881 --> 0:15:19.121 So really that's going to be decided tomorrow. In what 0:15:19.321 --> 0:15:23.201 is in her first mention, which is before the matches's court. 0:15:23.521 --> 0:15:25.961 As we heard, there's eleven charges in all. Let's just 0:15:26.081 --> 0:15:28.361 recap those now you've got them in front of you. 0:15:28.721 --> 0:15:32.201 So we've got five counts of administering poison with intent 0:15:32.321 --> 0:15:36.601 to harm, three counts of preparation to commit crimes with 0:15:36.761 --> 0:15:41.561 dangerous things, one count of torture, one count of child 0:15:41.681 --> 0:15:45.081 exploitation material, and one count of fraud. 0:15:45.281 --> 0:15:48.841 The torture, for me, was the most shocking charge. It's 0:15:48.961 --> 0:15:50.201 just that word. 0:15:50.721 --> 0:15:54.441 I think it's also interesting to talk about the dates 0:15:54.721 --> 0:15:58.241 within the parameters that all of this is. They're basically 0:15:58.321 --> 0:16:02.521 working within the sixth of August last year, twenty twenty 0:16:02.561 --> 0:16:06.001 four to the fifteenth of October twenty four, which is 0:16:06.081 --> 0:16:11.161 the day that police were called and notified by the hospital. 0:16:11.481 --> 0:16:13.961 Yeah, and that's sort of not very long. 0:16:14.161 --> 0:16:17.401 No, it's a really short amount of time that they 0:16:17.721 --> 0:16:21.401 they're investigating or they have investigated. So I was in 0:16:21.401 --> 0:16:23.721 that press conference, I got to ask a couple of questions. 0:16:24.881 --> 0:16:27.801 One of my core questions was how much of a 0:16:27.881 --> 0:16:32.081 role did looking into her social media posts play in 0:16:32.161 --> 0:16:37.201 the investigation? And I think the inspector heard my question, 0:16:37.321 --> 0:16:39.601 but maybe took it in a different way. What I 0:16:39.641 --> 0:16:41.081 was trying to say. 0:16:41.881 --> 0:16:43.961 Was was it actually. 0:16:43.561 --> 0:16:47.921 Helpful for them to just have a catalog of what 0:16:47.961 --> 0:16:51.761 she'd already said? And so a lot of the time 0:16:51.961 --> 0:16:55.161 when this stuff happens, it might be a he said, 0:16:55.281 --> 0:16:58.761 she said type thing where you need other witnesses to 0:16:58.801 --> 0:17:01.481 come forward to say No. She definitely told me that 0:17:01.801 --> 0:17:05.001 in this case, it's not that. Because she posted a 0:17:05.161 --> 0:17:17.121 on social media everyone to see, it would be really 0:17:17.201 --> 0:17:21.920 interesting to see how the dad is feeling today because 0:17:21.961 --> 0:17:26.280 that was explicit. A reporter asked was the father a 0:17:26.321 --> 0:17:30.721 person of interest and the answer from the detective was no, Yes. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.600 That to me was very interesting that it's like that 0:17:33.761 --> 0:17:35.120 was just completely dismissed. 0:17:36.681 --> 0:17:40.201 This is the Queensland Police body camera footage that's been 0:17:40.241 --> 0:17:43.480 shared with us. It shows two female detectives attending the 0:17:43.521 --> 0:17:47.440 house that this woman was staying at, Nie Logan, so 0:17:47.481 --> 0:17:49.481 the opposite end to where she lived. 0:17:51.681 --> 0:17:52.080 Right now. 0:17:52.120 --> 0:17:54.720 You can see them knock on the door and she 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.080 comes to the door. It's clear that she wasn't expecting 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.080 them because she's dressed in her pajamas and carrying. 0:18:00.721 --> 0:18:08.240 A pink water bottle. As she sits down. The police 0:18:08.281 --> 0:18:09.200 go through the charges. 0:18:09.241 --> 0:18:12.041 Now, in the video that's been shared, there's a lot 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.120 of muted audio that means they've silenced the audio. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.641 They've done that because the police officers are obviously. 0:18:18.201 --> 0:18:21.840 Talking about the young girl and naming her and talking 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.801 about information that right now shouldn't be shared given the 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.640 nature of the young child we're talking about. 0:18:28.761 --> 0:18:31.161 And then you hear them read the charges to her. 0:18:31.681 --> 0:18:34.360 So right now you are under arrest for the administration 0:18:34.441 --> 0:18:39.360 of poison child. You have the right train silent. You 0:18:39.360 --> 0:18:41.200 don't have to say anything, answer any but she's in 0:18:41.201 --> 0:18:42.400 a police statement unless. 0:18:42.120 --> 0:18:43.441 She wish to do so. 0:18:43.481 --> 0:18:46.201 She grabs her face in her hands and then she's 0:18:46.321 --> 0:18:50.921 led to an awaiting plane clothes police car and taken 0:18:51.481 --> 0:19:02.121 into custody and most likely is at Brisbane Watchhouse. Her 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.521 face is blurred in the vision and by rights because 0:19:05.360 --> 0:19:09.760 these are allegations still, but what you can see is 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.640 her hands go to her head as if she's obviously 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.801 really upset about what's happening and the fact that she's 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:19.481 been arrested. 0:19:19.721 --> 0:19:25.561 It's interesting that the Queensland Police even released that footage, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.120 especially so quickly. Do you think that that is is 0:19:29.120 --> 0:19:32.961 that normal procedure because I had a few people going, 0:19:33.041 --> 0:19:36.881 that's really fascinating that that was even released to the public. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:37.321 Listen. 0:19:37.360 --> 0:19:41.481 I think it's a very big public interest case. Yeah, 0:19:41.521 --> 0:19:45.200 and in the interest of child protection, it makes sense 0:19:45.321 --> 0:19:49.001 for the police to release the fact that they have 0:19:49.561 --> 0:19:54.080 charged this woman with these allegations and they're proceeding given 0:19:54.120 --> 0:19:57.120 their evidence and the investigations. So I think, you know, 0:19:57.201 --> 0:20:00.481 it's unusual, but this whole thing is unusual, right. It's 0:20:00.521 --> 0:20:03.961 not something we're saying in Australias. Certainly not something I've 0:20:04.041 --> 0:20:05.960 heard about in Australia at this level. 0:20:06.201 --> 0:20:08.201 And that was one of the questions you asked as well. 0:20:08.201 --> 0:20:10.400 I'm pretty sure that was you who asked about whether 0:20:10.481 --> 0:20:12.281 or not there's been anything similar. 0:20:13.481 --> 0:20:16.640 And yeah, I think again, I think the detective I 0:20:16.721 --> 0:20:19.600 might not have framed the question right. But the question 0:20:19.681 --> 0:20:22.721 what I was trying to ask is is this now 0:20:22.801 --> 0:20:26.360 an area of concern for police in future because we 0:20:26.521 --> 0:20:30.160 know there are a whole bunch of social media influences 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.761 that use their children in posts. 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.000 And earn money out of that. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.441 Now, we're not saying that all of those people have 0:20:39.801 --> 0:20:45.561 nefarious thoughts and what the reasons they're using children, But again, 0:20:45.721 --> 0:20:48.761 it goes back to that whole piece of should kids 0:20:48.921 --> 0:20:53.600 be in social media posts of influencers based on the 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.321 fact that they don't have they're not giving permission about it. 0:20:57.761 --> 0:21:01.680 That's actually so true because one of the most serious charges, 0:21:01.721 --> 0:21:04.921