Speaker 1: Great champs and Taps, Well, Taps and Tiff, it's both
Speaker 1: of us. We're sliding in towards Easter chocolate, a bounds,
Speaker 1: hopping bunnies, eggs. TIFFs just raised both her index fingers
Speaker 1: in a kind of celebration chocolat. I reckon, like people
Speaker 1: are chocolate people or they're not. There's not really anyone
Speaker 1: in the middle, like I'm not. I mean, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can eat it, but I don't enjoy it, Like
Speaker 1: it's nice, but then I go eyah, I'd rather I
Speaker 1: don't know chicken breast, but I know it just doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you generally savory or sweet? Sweet? Right?
Speaker 2: Sweet chocolate? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes? What do you reckon? The split is? You know,
Speaker 1: most people either they love like a fucking lasagna or
Speaker 1: a roast chicken with veggies and salt, or spag bowl
Speaker 1: or you know, tie takeaway, like most I think dudes
Speaker 1: are more that and maybe ladies are I mean all
Speaker 1: of it, but like if they had to pick one
Speaker 1: or the other, it might be sweets.
Speaker 2: Do you reckon when it's even when it's savory, it's
Speaker 2: carbs and salt, like carbs and salt versus shot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: except for harps is really go with chicken bresh right now.
Speaker 1: And have no no fat, the fat fuck that lives
Speaker 1: not that far below the surface, A little one who's
Speaker 1: fucking beating his chest these fists against the fucking chest cavity.
Speaker 1: He's like, give me cake, you can't, but he's he's
Speaker 1: more like, gimme lasagna. But I used to inhale pastor
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, which the significant substantiveness of me,
Speaker 1: the totality of me. Yeah, but then then I kind
Speaker 1: of tried not to be one hundred kilos and at
Speaker 1: ten and yeah then but over time, yeah, I still
Speaker 1: like if I took a big gobful of lasagna, I
Speaker 1: would laugh it, but then I would feel terrible, not
Speaker 1: emotionally mentally, just physically feel terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not part sea pasta and like even rice
Speaker 2: pasta and rice and like savory carbs, and I reckon.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's a learned behavior where I go, like,
Speaker 2: I all my naughty foods are going to be shock
Speaker 2: of that, they're going to be the best, They're going
Speaker 2: to be something that makes me like and I will
Speaker 2: forego stuff that I call savory junk and so I
Speaker 2: eat really nutritiously with my real food, and then I
Speaker 2: try and pack everything into just pure bliss, pure bliss
Speaker 2: and east What a great time of.
Speaker 1: Year, huh. I reckon, like on a practical level, Like
Speaker 1: everyone talks about optimal this and optimal that. Yeah cool,
Speaker 1: most people can't do optimal potentially forever, right, I reckon
Speaker 1: really if most people ate eighty percent clean, like I'm
Speaker 1: in real clean, like healthy, no bullshit, no bad food,
Speaker 1: nothing processed, no no significant sugar or no overload of
Speaker 1: you know, starch, and just really healthy, clean food. But
Speaker 1: twenty I'd rather ten, but maybe fifteen ten percent of
Speaker 1: the time, eat whatever the fuck you want, but make
Speaker 1: sure that your total junk calories for the week don't
Speaker 1: exceed fifteen percent of your overall calories. You know. So
Speaker 1: if you have two thousand calories a day, I would say,
Speaker 1: let's that three hundred. If you had three hundred calories
Speaker 1: a day of something that's not great, that's fifteen percent?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Seven and a half? Can? Hell? No, yeah, three hundred calories.
Speaker 1: Fuck my brain's not working out and had lunch. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2: To get through this calculation.
Speaker 1: Let's start the show. Again, yeah, I think that's And
Speaker 1: again everyone, this is not advice. I'm not a dietitian,
Speaker 1: but just having worked with literally thousands of people, and
Speaker 1: it's always a big part of it, but nearly everyone,
Speaker 1: A big part of it is food. You know, we
Speaker 1: can train great, but if you eat shit, you can't
Speaker 1: be optimal or close to optimal. And yeah, so I
Speaker 1: don't mind the od I've told you recently because I'm
Speaker 1: skinny as fark, I've started having the odd pie and
Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier like people like you had a pie, yes,
Speaker 1: Judge mcjudge, I did, and I nearly eight three of
Speaker 1: my fingers shoveling that bitch in. It was so good now.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, have I pie like I don't
Speaker 1: have six. In the old days, when I was twenty four,
Speaker 1: I would have had six or three. Three really, so
Speaker 1: I have one. I feel good. But the funny thing
Speaker 1: is when I ate a bit of junk like that,
Speaker 1: which is kind of high salt, kind of high fat,
Speaker 1: a fair bit of starch because of the pastry, I
Speaker 1: will eat that. If I ate that like I had
Speaker 1: one the other day. I don't know, I told you
Speaker 1: I was walking down Hampton Street and I accidentally ate
Speaker 1: an onion pie and I went into the bakery to
Speaker 1: buy an apple right and they fucking sucked me in.
Speaker 1: So I ended up against my will with an onion pie.
Speaker 2: They always do that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, they're so manipulative, and then poor vulnerable
Speaker 1: people like me accidentally eat fucking onion pies. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: ate that at about twelve thirty good, like a little
Speaker 1: but you know what I do because I don't want
Speaker 1: people to see me, because you know that would they
Speaker 1: would be bad. So I sneak around off Hampton Street
Speaker 1: up to a side street that's got one of those
Speaker 1: little chairs that they was, you know, bench seats, and
Speaker 1: I sit there and I fucking scout the area like
Speaker 1: an elite military operative. I do a reki, make sure
Speaker 1: no one's within three hundred meters, could only take me
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty meters of walking to eat that.
Speaker 1: I look around, do w reki, and I'm like, and
Speaker 1: go take it out of the brain brown paper bag
Speaker 1: like a fucking widow.
Speaker 2: So good, and then you tell everyone on your podcast,
Speaker 2: and now all of Australia knows. Anyway, you didn't know
Speaker 2: it anywhere.
Speaker 1: But I would have one a month, you know, but
Speaker 1: I think you could have something like that.
Speaker 2: One of my one of my mates, who is a
Speaker 2: nutrition it's one of the favorite little I guess catchphrases
Speaker 2: or bits of simple advice that I loved that she
Speaker 2: said was count nutrients, not calories. Did you talk about
Speaker 2: creeping out? But you know how many people have a
Speaker 2: bad meal like binge on sugar or junk and then think, well,
Speaker 2: I won't have I'll restrict now, and it's like, nah,
Speaker 2: like what does your body And especially as you get older,
Speaker 2: I think it's more about energy. What does my body need?
Speaker 2: And because I ate a thousand calories of Easter eggs
Speaker 2: at lunchtime, what did they have? And how can I
Speaker 2: get as much of that in still for the day?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think so. I Mean, funny thing
Speaker 1: is when you look at like the pie gets not
Speaker 1: generally the ones I get like once a week or
Speaker 1: fortnite I get. And by the way, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: roll their eyes and go at least if you have
Speaker 1: a pie, have a good one.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: These are the shittest pies in the world. They're fucking
Speaker 1: four and twenty traveler pies from seven to eleven, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm like just wrapped in plastic full of salads
Speaker 1: against the pie. So I'm making myself sterile and also
Speaker 1: all the other things that go with that, which is great,
Speaker 1: but I need to be virile. I guess cusban in
Speaker 1: the racks ince the late nineties. So that's right. Oh fuck,
Speaker 1: I was going to say something else. I can't. It
Speaker 1: would have been real good though, like that promo that
Speaker 1: I showed you a gold Yeah, I might talk about
Speaker 1: that anyway. My long winded point was going to be
Speaker 1: the pie that I have has less calories than the
Speaker 1: chicken salad wrap that I buy sometimes. Yeah, so it's like,
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, I'm not on any level pretending this
Speaker 1: is a good idea anyone. I'm not suggesting it's healthy.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear. What I'm saying is a little smidge
Speaker 1: of junk every now and then, as long as it's not,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the exception, not the rule. I don't think.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm pretty sure it ain't a big issue.
Speaker 1: Now I need to announce one thing or Melissa and
Speaker 1: also that Denise Faness will punch me in the face,
Speaker 1: and that is that I'm terrible at promoting my shit.
Speaker 1: But anyway, doctor Denise and I are doing a program together. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Denise has been on the show many times. She's a geneticist,
Speaker 1: she's an next size physiologist. She's a legit, straight up
Speaker 1: scientist and researcher. She's also a mum and a wife,
Speaker 1: and an entrepreneur and just a really really fucking good teacher.
Speaker 1: Like she has a way of teaching stuff that can
Speaker 1: be complicated and confusing and overwhelming that is relevant to
Speaker 1: all of us, but teach it in a way where like,
Speaker 1: oh that makes sense to me, and I think I
Speaker 1: do the same, or I try to do the same. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're both doing a program on June thirteen, twelve, Sorry,
Speaker 1: Friday night thirteen is the Saturday. Fourteen is Sunday. We're
Speaker 1: kicking off around six thirty or seven or something on
Speaker 1: the Friday. We're finishing about fourish on the Sunday. It's
Speaker 1: in Malula Bar. It's on the Sunshine Coast. If you're
Speaker 1: looking for a super duper cheap bargain, this is not it.
Speaker 1: It's not expensive, I don't think, but it's also not
Speaker 1: you know, your twenty nine dollars workshop lots and lots
Speaker 1: of content. We've only got fifty spaces. We're just starting small.
Speaker 1: We want to see what happens and if you want
Speaker 1: to find out more about that. By the way, where
Speaker 1: it's at the mantra, like the event, which is great
Speaker 1: because it's fifty meters away from the water. So we're
Speaker 1: going to have breaks over the weekend, of course, and
Speaker 1: in those breaks you can there's there's a fair bit
Speaker 1: of free time. So I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 1: programs that start at seven am and finished seven pm
Speaker 1: and you get bombarded with twelve hours of information. So
Speaker 1: there's lots of teaching and lots of information, but not
Speaker 1: to the point where it's cognitive overload anyway. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's at the mantra, Denise and myself, it's all around.
Speaker 1: What's it around, It's around you, optimizing you. So we're
Speaker 1: looking at mind stuff, brain stuff, nutrition stuff. She's also
Speaker 1: a nutritionist course. She is sleep cellular health, DNA, the
Speaker 1: role of DNA slash genetics in the way that you
Speaker 1: live and the way that you know everything from longevity
Speaker 1: to health span to day to day stuff. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be talking about optimization from a mind point of view.
Speaker 1: So not brain as much mind point of view, and
Speaker 1: also from a physiology point of view, how to be strong,
Speaker 1: how to be functional, and how to have a body
Speaker 1: that is younger in inverted commas than your chronology. Ie,
Speaker 1: my body is sixty two years old on a calendar,
Speaker 1: and at the risk of sounding like a dickhead, I
Speaker 1: would suggest somewhere closer to forty years old operationally or functionally,
Speaker 1: or what we call bioage or physiological age or functional age.
Speaker 1: And that's not because I'm lucky or I have brilliant genetics.
Speaker 1: That's because I do the things that that result. We're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about all of that and more.
Speaker 1: If you want to find out about it, go to
Speaker 1: my website, just the homepage. There's a big banner there.
Speaker 1: Click on that sales pitch over. You're welcome. Take a breath.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that, but a few of you might be interested.
Speaker 1: If I'll give you a discount, I'll give you ten
Speaker 1: percent off if you want to come so fight.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I just want to say, for
Speaker 2: someone who's just come back from an event, a multi
Speaker 2: day event lot similar theme to that, but in something
Speaker 2: that interests me, there is something magical about being in
Speaker 2: the room, and I came back from the second of
Speaker 2: those events this year, and when I am gonna have
Speaker 2: that in my budget every year to be in the
Speaker 2: room for multi day events in things that interest me.
Speaker 2: So when people when you're looking at the cost of something,
Speaker 2: it is I just think it's so beneficial because there's
Speaker 2: there's the relationships and the conversations and the energy and
Speaker 2: the be around people like you that make stuff happen
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen when you just do a course or
Speaker 2: see a doctor or listen to a podcast. So there's
Speaker 2: my take on that.
Speaker 1: Wow. Thanks, I'll slip you some day later. But it
Speaker 1: is I mean, and I don't just mean for what
Speaker 1: we're doing, but if you go somewhere like you were
Speaker 1: at a speaker's event, right, and so you've got other
Speaker 1: people who do what you do, want to do what
Speaker 1: you do, and you support each other, you encourage each other,
Speaker 1: you're kind of there for a similar reason. And generally
Speaker 1: out of our stuff that like we've done everything from
Speaker 1: half day events to four day retreats and everything in between.
Speaker 1: And invariably what happens, especially with things that go over
Speaker 1: a few days, is people make friends and they just
Speaker 1: you know, I know people who came to something one
Speaker 1: off ten years ago that I ran, and they've still
Speaker 1: got a circle of two or three or four friends
Speaker 1: from that day and they stay in touch, either in
Speaker 1: person or online. And yeah, so it's a range of
Speaker 1: reasons things like this. I mean, you'd be the judge
Speaker 1: of mine. I'm not sure, but the things like this
Speaker 1: can be really in a legitimate, literal way performance enhancing,
Speaker 1: can enhance my performance. Speaking of such things, I wanted
Speaker 1: to chat to you about something today, and we're just
Speaker 1: going to circle around this everybody and talk about it
Speaker 1: because people get confused and the role that this particular
Speaker 1: topic or this particular construct plays in performance. And as
Speaker 1: we said, human optimization puts simply you getting the most
Speaker 1: out of you, or you moving from where you are
Speaker 1: to where you want to be in terms of your
Speaker 1: goals and intentions and plans, and that is motivation. So
Speaker 1: some of you who followed me forever will be a
Speaker 1: bit sick of this, so maybe turn off, or maybe
Speaker 1: call it a refresher. We might open a few new doors.
Speaker 1: But growing up I was always kind of taught and
Speaker 1: told and trained, especially when you're coming to things like
Speaker 1: self improvement, you know personal health, health, you know, self empowerment,
Speaker 1: all that that motivation is key. In other words, motivation
Speaker 1: with the number, because without motivation, you're not going to
Speaker 1: do the stuff for blah blah blah. Well I'm challenging
Speaker 1: that because because it's still possible to be proactive and
Speaker 1: productive and effective and to get shit done when you
Speaker 1: don't feel motivated. So I'm defining for this chat. Motivation
Speaker 1: can be defined in a few ways. In an academic sense, generally,
Speaker 1: motivation is analogous to reason or driver. So what is
Speaker 1: your reason? What is your motivation for joining a Jim Craig,
Speaker 1: What is the reason? What is the driver? So we're
Speaker 1: not talking about it in that sense, although this kind
Speaker 1: of bumps into it, But we're talking about motivation. When
Speaker 1: the average person is talking about their level of motivation
Speaker 1: or health, motivated or demotivated, they are They're talking about
Speaker 1: how they feel. They're talking about their emotions. They're talking
Speaker 1: about their level of focus. They're talking about how excited
Speaker 1: they are in the moment to do the thing that
Speaker 1: they are. I'm pumped, I'm motivated, I'm inspired, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Now let me start with then I'll shut up TIF.
Speaker 1: Let me start with motivation. That the emotional state or
Speaker 1: the psychological state or the heightened state of being motivated
Speaker 1: is great. It's great. And there are some days where
Speaker 1: I feel super motivated and pumped and excited. There are
Speaker 1: some day, you know, like I'm a nine out of ten,
Speaker 1: some days where I'm a seven, and some days when
Speaker 1: I'm a two, And that does make me good, bad, weird,
Speaker 1: That makes me human. So the challenge for those of
Speaker 1: you who kind of understand what I just said and
Speaker 1: have some familiarity with what I just said, the challenge
Speaker 1: is not for us to be a nine or a
Speaker 1: seven or an eight every day, because we're just going
Speaker 1: to be what we're going to be. But it's for
Speaker 1: us to try to be proactive and productive and effective
Speaker 1: and to keep doing what we need to do. In
Speaker 1: Craig terms, when we can't be fucked. Oh I can't
Speaker 1: be fucked today. I didn't sleep well, I'm tired, out
Speaker 1: of blue with my boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, I can't
Speaker 1: be cool. That's all normal. So the problem is that
Speaker 1: people get motivated, then they make decisions and take action
Speaker 1: and start to get results. Because they're motivated, they are
Speaker 1: in the zone. They went away for a weekend, they
Speaker 1: came back pumped up, and from the weekend until the Friday,
Speaker 1: they're in the zone. And then Saturday comes and it's
Speaker 1: someone's birthday, so you go, oh, just whatever, I'll compromise
Speaker 1: a bit today. And then two weeks later they're not motivated.
Speaker 1: That feeling that they had has gone, and the behaviors
Speaker 1: are starting to fall away, the choices are now become irrelevant,
Speaker 1: and now we're back to groundhog Day. So the question
Speaker 1: for this podcast is how do I stay productive and
Speaker 1: proactive and effective, in other words, doing the work that
Speaker 1: I need to do when I don't feel inspired or motivated.
Speaker 1: And so we're going to unpack that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Even when I'm working with elite athletes or anyone who
Speaker 1: just wants to get where they want to get with
Speaker 1: their body or their habits or their finances or their
Speaker 1: career or their study or their spiritual journey or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, remember I'm not the answer. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: kind of the coach on the support system. In a way,
Speaker 1: I say to them, I don't care how motivated you are.
Speaker 1: If you're motivated, great, If you're not motivated, also fine.
Speaker 1: I care what you do when you would have typically
Speaker 1: given up in the past, Like in the past. Let's
Speaker 1: say we're talking about losing weight. Well, and again, this
Speaker 1: ain't about losing weight. This is about a goal. But
Speaker 1: for so many people when it comes to some change
Speaker 1: they want to make with their body. If I'm talking
Speaker 1: to someone tomorrow morning at the cafe about this, they
Speaker 1: say to me, how do I this? Or I want
Speaker 1: to do that? Or if they're being honest, most people
Speaker 1: have tried to do a version of that ten to
Speaker 1: fifty times already. So they've started and stopped, started and stopped,
Speaker 1: started and stopped. So we need to analyze the stopping bit.
Speaker 1: Why do you keep stopping? Because you've got a gym membership,
Speaker 1: you've got a program. You know that eating that stuff
Speaker 1: over there is bad. You know that eating that stuff
Speaker 1: over there is better. It's not a knowledge issue. You
Speaker 1: don't have all the knowledge, but you have enough knowledge
Speaker 1: to move the needle and to create to create some
Speaker 1: real change. And I think so we'll launch into that
Speaker 1: from there. So what are your thoughts around this cookie?
Speaker 2: But just been writing down a bunch of words and
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm thinking about the concept of what
Speaker 2: is motivation? What create motivation? The fact that it is
Speaker 2: a response usually usually to an external thing, idea or thought,
Speaker 2: or reaction to something. I wrote down the word momentum,
Speaker 2: I wrote down environment, accountability, and process. So just kind
Speaker 2: of thinking like what are all of the components that
Speaker 2: come into it, and then how do we create a
Speaker 2: system that allows us to use motivation in a way
Speaker 2: that works for us, Like it's a tool I think
Speaker 2: for me? Yes, those two the concept that I said
Speaker 2: before of going well at least twice a year, I'm
Speaker 2: going to invest in industry events that are multi day.
Speaker 2: That is purely the number one reason is the level
Speaker 2: of motivation that I have for a quite an extended
Speaker 2: period of time where I take action after that and
Speaker 2: I embed learnings and I build relationships and I uncover
Speaker 2: and discover and create opportunity is huge. So that's me
Speaker 2: going well two times a year. I'm going to have
Speaker 2: a big injection of motivation that's not going to last
Speaker 2: all year. It's going to be a temporary thing. And
Speaker 2: off the back of that, how do I get and
Speaker 2: maintain momentum? What do I put in place to create
Speaker 2: accountability outside of just the response to the motivation, the feeling,
Speaker 2: and what environment do I need to create that makes
Speaker 2: all of that happen?
Speaker 1: So clever I wrote all of that, I wrote system,
Speaker 1: So I'm writing that. I think this is going to
Speaker 1: be the title for the show. What's your post motivation strategy? Right?
Speaker 1: Put up your hands if you think you're going to
Speaker 1: be perpetually motivated and or inspired? No one, Right, put
Speaker 1: up your hand. If you'd like to be really consistent
Speaker 1: with the work that you need to do, everyone, right,
Speaker 1: those things don't go together. So it's having that, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna I know I'm going to be
Speaker 1: in motivational troughs and inspirational and focus and attitude and
Speaker 1: all of that. And because I'm not weak or broken,
Speaker 1: I'm humans. So what works? And so that which you're suggesting,
Speaker 1: like to build a system slash process, slash program whatever,
Speaker 1: that is essentially a protocol for accountability. What will keep
Speaker 1: me doing the thing that I need to do? What
Speaker 1: will keep me accountable? What will make me It's like
Speaker 1: you and I were talking before we went live. I said,
Speaker 1: I hate it because I have to do ten thousand
Speaker 1: steps a day. Why do I have to? Because that's
Speaker 1: my rule, right, do I does the world end? If
Speaker 1: I don't, of course not. But I know that when
Speaker 1: for me, when I have clearly defined non negotiables that
Speaker 1: I do not I hope i'll do, or I want
Speaker 1: to do, or I intend to do, but I'll fucking
Speaker 1: do every day. And people will go, oh, well, if
Speaker 1: you can't have one day off, there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 1: We did, and I get all of that right. If
Speaker 1: for some reason I literally could not humanly do them,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do them and I wouldn't beat myself up.
Speaker 1: But if I can do it, I'll do it. And
Speaker 1: this is the difference between I want to do something
Speaker 1: and I want to create an outcome. And I am fully,
Speaker 1: fucking totally committed to this behavior. And if it's fun
Speaker 1: or not done matter, if it's easy or not done,
Speaker 1: the matter convenient inconvenient doesn't matter, Fast or slow doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: because so many of us spend our lives almost changing,
Speaker 1: and then we wake up and we're fifty or whatever
Speaker 1: we are, and we go, oh, fuck, this was my plan.
Speaker 1: And of course you've heard me say, may I see
Speaker 1: the plan? And they've got no fucking plan. They've just
Speaker 1: got an idea. Of how they thought things would work out.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be hateful or hurtful. Let's just
Speaker 1: be real and practical, right because most of us, most
Speaker 1: of the time, do not follow through over the long term.
Speaker 1: We make a decision, we take action, then we stop.
Speaker 1: That's why gyms can over sell memberships because they know
Speaker 1: they can have a capacity for maybe what you know,
Speaker 1: if people training regularly two hundred members, three hundred members,
Speaker 1: they can sell fifteen hundred memberships because they know most
Speaker 1: people don't go after about four to six weeks. Some do,
Speaker 1: like you and I will wear that shit out right.
Speaker 1: We're terrible fucking members because we get every ounce out
Speaker 1: of our membership, right out of our huge two dollars
Speaker 1: a day that we pay right or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But then you know, there are other people who have
Speaker 1: joined or started or done whatever this program or that gym,
Speaker 1: or who joined that group and then unjoined that group
Speaker 1: and then made this commitment, then unmade the commitment. And
Speaker 1: so I think we have to be really practical about this.
Speaker 1: And so the truth is that I need to figure
Speaker 1: out a way where in the middle of discomfort or
Speaker 1: pain or inconvenience or shit, shit, thinking I am the guy,
Speaker 1: I am the girl, I'm the mom, the dad, I'm
Speaker 1: the fucking grandma, the granddad, whatever. That just has created
Speaker 1: a system or whatever we want to call it, that
Speaker 1: works for me. And you said something before, something along
Speaker 1: the lines of finding out what works for us, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, yes, that is the point, finding out
Speaker 1: what works for you, rather than old mates saying you
Speaker 1: should do this, you should do that. Here are eight
Speaker 1: exercises everyone should do. If anyone says anything like that,
Speaker 1: that is bullshit, because everyone doesn't have the same body,
Speaker 1: the same genetics, the same potential, the same time, the
Speaker 1: same goals, the same injuries, the same medical conditions. To
Speaker 1: suggest that one hundred different people need the same program
Speaker 1: is a display of ignorance. And even when someone says
Speaker 1: to me, what should I do? I will go I
Speaker 1: don't know. And the reason I don't know is because
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about you. I need to know
Speaker 1: about you. And I've prescribed probably well definitely as much
Speaker 1: exercise as anyone in Australia, written programs, trained athletes, all
Speaker 1: the shit that I've done, and I was at the
Speaker 1: cold face of that four forty years now. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I'm the best. It just means I've done it
Speaker 1: a lot, but there ain't many more people with more
Speaker 1: experience than me. And even with that, I just go,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I need to test you, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I need to find out about
Speaker 1: your training background. I need to find out how you eat,
Speaker 1: why you eat, the way you eat. I want to
Speaker 1: learn a little bit about your genetic capacity. But as
Speaker 1: much info as I can get. And then when I
Speaker 1: get all that info, then I make a pretty informed
Speaker 1: guess and I write a program, and then I give
Speaker 1: them the program and go, let's start here based on
Speaker 1: what I know, this is pretty suitable for you, But
Speaker 1: let's see what your body tells us. Right. So in
Speaker 1: this whole journey of changing stuff, it might be building
Speaker 1: a business, it might be It's like I know, with you, Tiff,
Speaker 1: you've got the attention span of a dog with three dicks.
Speaker 1: So me saying, here's an academic journal. I want you
Speaker 1: to read this academic journal this morning, do not use
Speaker 1: chat GPT, And then I want you to write a
Speaker 1: kind of a five hundred word overview of what the
Speaker 1: papers about. Now I would never do that because one,
Speaker 1: you're not suited to that one. You're not an academic,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're dumb. You're definitely intelligent, right, But also,
Speaker 1: that's not a good way for you to learn. That's
Speaker 1: not a good way for you to absorb and remember information.
Speaker 1: That's TIFF's worst learning model. So I know you, so
Speaker 1: I know you're an experiential learner. I know I can
Speaker 1: take you in the gym and go, here's how you
Speaker 1: do a really good deadlift, and you go, you do it,
Speaker 1: and you do it straight up because you're good at
Speaker 1: replicating things physically. And then I'll make a few tweaks.
Speaker 1: I'll go try that, and you do that. I'll go
Speaker 1: one more tweak, you do that, and then in about
Speaker 1: eight minutes, with no theory, just practicality, you've learned how
Speaker 1: to do a deadlift, which will sometimes take people six
Speaker 1: months to learn. Right, So it's what's my learning style?
Speaker 1: Like what's the best food for me? You know all
Speaker 1: of this, and that, you know that speaks to this
Speaker 1: idea that there is no global kind of answer or
Speaker 1: no macro answer to these micro issues. Each person's a
Speaker 1: micro you know what I mean. And then yeah, and
Speaker 1: then then in the middle of that, you go, all right,
Speaker 1: so now I've got a good program, and I've got
Speaker 1: a good diet, and I've got I know, I've got
Speaker 1: lots of resources like collegis wise and also practically, I've
Speaker 1: got a membership or I've got a financial coach, or
Speaker 1: I've got you know, a business coach or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I've got all these things to help me get there.
Speaker 1: But I just always fucking lose momentum at week three
Speaker 1: and then and then they go. So that's my reason.
Speaker 1: I go, well, is there a way that if you
Speaker 1: lost momentum at week three you could keep going anyway?
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, I go, so what's momentum? Oh
Speaker 1: it's like I was enjoying it. It was no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I go, So you not enjoying it now? Not really cool?
Speaker 1: You don't need to enjoy it. This is one of
Speaker 1: our self created barriers is we think that everything that's
Speaker 1: worth doing has to be fun. No, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be fun like it doesn't you know, like working
Speaker 1: with elite athletes as you like getting into a boxing
Speaker 1: ring like you've done numerous times, or training an AFL player,
Speaker 1: or training someone to summitt Everest. Guess what this is
Speaker 1: going to suck a lot. So if you're dependent on
Speaker 1: the process of growth and evolution and achievement, if you're
Speaker 1: dependent on comfort, will fucking get another goal? Makes sense?
Speaker 2: Is the is the prize and the process is shit.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the case in everything I've done,
Speaker 2: and it's the process in everything I love, like boxing.
Speaker 2: When I was training, walking away from training with a
Speaker 2: sense of an achievement was amazing. But turning up driving
Speaker 2: to training and turning up to training and starting training
Speaker 2: and being in the middle of training was awful, Like
Speaker 2: I dreaded it awful most of the time. An hour's
Speaker 2: drive to the gym and I in the afternoon and
Speaker 2: I reckon every single afternoon I was like, I hate this.
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't have to go today. I'm really tired.
Speaker 2: And then every drive home I was like, this is
Speaker 2: that's the best thing ever. This is the like I
Speaker 2: just don't ever want to stop this.
Speaker 1: And I would go, so, how long are you in
Speaker 1: the boxing for and you'd go, oh, an hour. I go,
Speaker 1: so how many hours a day you're not boxing? And
Speaker 1: twenty three? Shut the fuck up? Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like I also think it's really interesting
Speaker 2: that we revert straight to like we need to revert
Speaker 2: to self awareness and curiosity when when we're looking at
Speaker 2: how we behave with motivation or lack thereof, instead of
Speaker 2: self criticism and self you know, like we are critical
Speaker 2: about what we've done, and then we go straight into
Speaker 2: berating ourselves, which gives us no scope to learn. Yes,
Speaker 2: then we just asked someone else for the answer. Yes,
Speaker 2: just crazy.
Speaker 1: Also, let's wrap some context around this. I don't want
Speaker 1: to make you or me sad, but one of our
Speaker 1: friends at the moment is really really really unwell. So
Speaker 1: that person doesn't have the option of not dealing with it.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is horrible, this is hard, This is
Speaker 1: all the things. I'm not doing it. Well, you're doing it,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like Johnny at the gym every day
Speaker 1: is hard, you know, spinal cord injury, traumatic brain injury,
Speaker 1: all the other bits and pieces. Every workout's hard. Getting
Speaker 1: out of the car is hard, getting from the car
Speaker 1: into the gym, sitting on a bench then standing up
Speaker 1: from the bench is hard. You know. It's all he
Speaker 1: can't go, oh fuck this, I can't be bothered having
Speaker 1: a spinal cord injury today, I'll do it next week.
Speaker 1: It's like no, and so motivation doesn't come into it
Speaker 1: or because it's like, well, it does to an extent,
Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, I can't walk properly, so I
Speaker 1: even need to do it this way or not do
Speaker 1: it at all. Well, he wants to train with us
Speaker 1: three days a week. So he comes in and he
Speaker 1: does it, and it's never fun or painless, and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: so if I shift my mind, because one of the
Speaker 1: problems is that you and I we ever get out
Speaker 1: of jail, card like I can go, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this. I'm going to go I'm going to walk
Speaker 1: ten thousand steps to day, which obviously is a very
Speaker 1: easy commitment. I'm not trying to compare that, and I'm
Speaker 1: not comparing that to anything that's actually hard. But I
Speaker 1: don't have to do it today. No one knows, no
Speaker 1: one cares. I can just not do it. Like the
Speaker 1: challenge is to do the thing that you need to
Speaker 1: do to reach your goal or change yourself when no
Speaker 1: one's looking, no one gives a fuck, no one's cheering,
Speaker 1: there are no accolades, and then do the thing and
Speaker 1: don't tell people, Well, don't, you know, don't outwardly go
Speaker 1: you know, if you tell people incidentally, It's like, I
Speaker 1: get asked a lot lately about how the fuck are
Speaker 1: you so lean? I think it's just because I've just
Speaker 1: been for a year and a half, seven days a
Speaker 1: week just doing this walking, because my diets are same,
Speaker 1: my training's the same. I think that's moved the needle significantly.
Speaker 1: I've lost, you know, over ten kilos. I'm not suggesting
Speaker 1: that's good or bad, but it's like, oh, that's because
Speaker 1: one day I realized how little I walked. I was
Speaker 1: averaging four to four and a half thousand steps a
Speaker 1: day for the last twelve months because I sit at
Speaker 1: my fucking computer so much, and sit in my car
Speaker 1: and fucking lie in my bed and sit in my
Speaker 1: leather chair over there and watch the news. And then
Speaker 1: you go, all right, well, what's the answer. Well, the
Speaker 1: answer is super super easy. But you know, it's like
Speaker 1: move more, or it's not super simple. And some things
Speaker 1: are very simple conceptually but difficult to execute because of
Speaker 1: the effort required. Walking up a man, how fucking how
Speaker 1: complex is that?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 1: Really just walk one foot after the other, takes some
Speaker 1: water with here on a sandwich. We're not talking about everest,
Speaker 1: but we're talking up you know, maybe about a five
Speaker 1: hour uphill walk and a three or four hour down
Speaker 1: depending on your fitness and capability, of course, but it's
Speaker 1: not complex or complicated or cognitively difficult. It's really fucking simple.
Speaker 1: But it hurts.
Speaker 2: That's think also unpacked. As you said before, and you
Speaker 2: say this often, but I reckon we could unpack a
Speaker 2: bit about it, that idea of you don't have to
Speaker 2: you don't have to love it, you don't have to
Speaker 2: enjoy it. But I think that there's context around that.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a there's a we have choices,
Speaker 2: and we have ways to create behaviors or habits or
Speaker 2: relationships with the experience of something. And of course, if
Speaker 2: you excuse me, if you hate something, if you just
Speaker 2: spies it, you're not going to continue to do it. So,
Speaker 2: like always say to people, you need to find your
Speaker 2: boxing ring. Not everybody's answer is in the boxing ring
Speaker 2: with a punch in the face. But if you can
Speaker 2: find your boxing ring, the thing that is worth hurting for,
Speaker 2: the thing that is worth going Oh, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do this, but for me, this version of I
Speaker 2: don't want to do. This is my version, and I
Speaker 2: will and I can learn to love it, and I'll
Speaker 2: definitely learn I'll be able to stick with it enough
Speaker 2: to build a relationship with the outcome of it, with
Speaker 2: the endorphins at the end and the results that I
Speaker 2: get and the progress and the changes that I see eventually.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, one hundred percent and the You know, if
Speaker 1: there are two options that produce the same outcome and
Speaker 1: one's easier, I'm going to tell you choose the easier
Speaker 1: one because you get the same result. Like we're not
Speaker 1: choosing difficult for the sake of Life's got to be hard.
Speaker 1: But the truth is some things require hard along the way.
Speaker 1: So this is how I get a PhD. Or this
Speaker 1: is how I declutter my house. I'm going to spend
Speaker 1: thirty minutes a day for the next fifty days just
Speaker 1: chucking shit out, going through cupboards, going to the op shop,
Speaker 1: dropping shit at the tip or whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: fifty days times you know, thirty minutes is fifteen hundred minutes.
Speaker 1: That's sucking a shitload of time or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And we go, is that right, fifty days times thirty minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you just you know you do it and you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy this, That's okay, you don't need to.
Speaker 1: It's like I used to often say to my clients
Speaker 1: at the gym. Remember, like we had my gym on
Speaker 1: the highway, ten thousand square feet that it was always
Speaker 1: full of people. And sometimes I would say to my
Speaker 1: clients or I would say to someone on the gym floor,
Speaker 1: why don't you just jump on the bike and do
Speaker 1: twenty minutes just warm up or whatever, doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be crazy, just warm up to I don't like the bike.
Speaker 1: I don't like the bike. I'm like, well, then definitely
Speaker 1: get on the fucking bike, right, yes, So I don't
Speaker 1: care if you like it, you know, I'm we're talking
Speaker 1: about what's good for you. Yeah. Or do you say
Speaker 1: walk walk at five and a half k's walk for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, but put it on a three degree incline? Ah,
Speaker 1: that hurts so much. I'm like, correct, off you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like this kind of obsession we have with making everything
Speaker 1: or trying to find a way to not do the
Speaker 1: proper work.
Speaker 2: And like, think about that. We know when you talk
Speaker 2: to doctor Cam all the time, that idea of everyone
Speaker 2: being so different like that same thing, like, okay, I
Speaker 2: hate running, but maybe running with a friend is your thing,
Speaker 2: or maybe running with some form of competition motor. So
Speaker 2: there is a version of something that will motivate you
Speaker 2: within the environment of that thing one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: That is a very very good point. You know, my
Speaker 1: experience of going and walking on a treadwhill, which I
Speaker 1: agree everyone is pretty fucking boring, but I still use
Speaker 1: a treadmill a few days a week, depending on because
Speaker 1: like the other day, I was fucking pissing down and
Speaker 1: so I walked. I'm a member of two gyms, so
Speaker 1: I walked to I'll give them a shout out to
Speaker 1: trackside down the road from me, and I just walk there,
Speaker 1: which is maybe one k or something, and I go in.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of treadies. I just get on the
Speaker 1: end tready. I have my headphones on and I listen
Speaker 1: to something that usually I listen to something that's going
Speaker 1: to teach me or entertain me or just be music,
Speaker 1: like just transport me somewhere else emotionally, right, that thirty
Speaker 1: minutes goes quicker in inverted commas, nudge nudge, and also
Speaker 1: my enjoyment factor versus just walking with no stimulation. Now
Speaker 1: this is for me right, for a lot of people
Speaker 1: hate headphones, totally understand. But it goes from a three
Speaker 1: or four where time seemingly fucking stands still, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that five minutes just took an hour, versus ah,
Speaker 1: my time's up. Oh that went quick because I'm not
Speaker 1: thinking about what I'm doing. I'm involved in this conversation,
Speaker 1: which to me is fascinating. And so there's that like
Speaker 1: time is. Obviously time is a constant, but as an experience,
Speaker 1: it's subjective, and so we have our own relationship. I'm digressing,
Speaker 1: but I love this shit. This is interesting. We have
Speaker 1: our own relationship with time, and that bends depending on
Speaker 1: the level of enjoyment of what we're doing. You know,
Speaker 1: you go the dentist and he or she is going
Speaker 1: hard in the paint and you're getting smashed and poked
Speaker 1: and needles and proder and like fact that eight minutes
Speaker 1: just took an hour and a half or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you know, versus something like the same with me watching
Speaker 1: not too long ago, I flew to Perth and I'm
Speaker 1: like perse like the middle of the road. It's like
Speaker 1: it's not that long, but it's it's long enough, you know,
Speaker 1: it's four hours. I watched two movies and I went, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm in Perth, and both movies were good.
Speaker 1: I'm like, gid y up. This is the way to
Speaker 1: go versus just looking at my well, I don't have
Speaker 1: a watch, but looking at my phone every seventeen minutes
Speaker 1: going ah, that's seventeen minutes more, you know. But again,
Speaker 1: this is like understanding that you experience. How do you
Speaker 1: create your own version of reality, whether or not that's
Speaker 1: around perception of time, or how you optimize your physiology,
Speaker 1: or how you organize your social life, or how you
Speaker 1: build an operating system for life that works for you
Speaker 1: wouldn't work for your best friend. You know, that's where
Speaker 1: you're starting. This is like an exercise in self awareness,
Speaker 1: self recognition, self regulation, self optimization, and at the end
Speaker 1: of the line is self actualization, which is where you
Speaker 1: like who you wanted to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about when you first started
Speaker 2: training me, and it was for a show that didn't
Speaker 2: end up going ahead, But the outcome of that training
Speaker 2: was you rang me every day and just gave me
Speaker 2: in the moment. This is your task today, and it
Speaker 2: was a range of things that were designed to just
Speaker 2: be out of my scope and uncomfortable, and running was
Speaker 2: something you made me start doing and I wasn't running then,
Speaker 2: and every run you gave me I run to the
Speaker 2: point I remember thinking, oh, running is just how willing
Speaker 2: you are to be how uncomfortable for how long? Because
Speaker 2: every ridiculous task you gave me, I annihilated it and
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. And I thought to me, I
Speaker 2: recognized in that moment, if I wanted to for my
Speaker 2: age and capabilities and I chose to take this, I
Speaker 2: could be a really good runner and I could do
Speaker 2: something with this because I because I don't have a
Speaker 2: background in this. Yes, But as soon as that show
Speaker 2: was not on the table anymore, the motivation was gone.
Speaker 2: And I also went, well, that's interesting because I have
Speaker 2: no drive to want to do anything with that. I
Speaker 2: definitely don't run that hard anymore. It was completely and
Speaker 2: it just went that is to me, that's interesting, So
Speaker 2: go well, there's a lot of things. Doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: what potential you have, you say it all the time,
Speaker 2: that matters what you do with it. And I just
Speaker 2: found that really interesting.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things out of that that came
Speaker 1: to mind. One is, everybody has self doubt and underestimates
Speaker 1: their ability. So when I go, and also in concert
Speaker 1: with this, you are a very good student if I
Speaker 1: coach you the right way. So when I would go,
Speaker 1: I can't remember specifics back, I can't remember what I
Speaker 1: said to you seven years ago or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: would go, I want you to run five k's and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't go hack and five k's, ah, but you go, really,
Speaker 1: I go, I know you can do five case and
Speaker 1: then your belief would go from I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: could do five k's too, oh harpstold me I can.
Speaker 1: So I can, right, because I understood your athletic and
Speaker 1: genetic potential and I'd already trained you, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: guessing or stabbing in the dark. Right, And then you'd
Speaker 1: go and run five k's because you knew now because
Speaker 1: I told you so. You didn't have more potential or
Speaker 1: you were a better runner. You just had a different mindset,
Speaker 1: and that was, oh, I can do this. So the
Speaker 1: self doubt was taken away or at least reduced. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is, and as you know this, and
Speaker 1: you know me. I don't. I don't do things for
Speaker 1: like bluff and bluster. It's like, like I just trained
Speaker 1: you and Brad before an hour ago. Obviously I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you news but my our listeners. And so Brad's
Speaker 1: a second dan black belt in jiu jitsu. There's very
Speaker 1: few of those in Australia. It takes you ten to
Speaker 1: twelve years just to get a black belt. Most people
Speaker 1: never do. And then to become a second dan. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like he's he's an elite level athlete in his sport.
Speaker 1: And then you also, compared to the average person your age,
Speaker 1: God bless everyone else, you're elite. And you also train people,
Speaker 1: and Brad owns a jiu jitsu academy and trains lots,
Speaker 1: so you both relatively evolved and elite in general terms.
Speaker 1: But also you know that when we go to the gym,
Speaker 1: we're not hanging out, we're not fucking round, we're not buddies.
Speaker 1: We're buddies of course, but I'm like, do this, do that?
Speaker 1: Do do ten of those at that weight and you go,
Speaker 1: You essentially go roger that and you go do it.
Speaker 1: And the same with Brad. Because one, I don't want
Speaker 1: to have the coerce people to do anything. I'm not
Speaker 1: your fucking mum or dad. I'm not your cheer squad.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make you feel good. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to help you become a weapon. I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: you build resilience and strength and understanding and an understanding
Speaker 1: of what's possible for you. The best coaches make themselves redundant.
Speaker 1: The worst coaches want to build a client base that
Speaker 1: is dependent on them, right, that's about the coach, that's
Speaker 1: not about the athlete. So I want to fuck you
Speaker 1: off as soon as possible. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: different if you know we just trained together down the
Speaker 1: track for you know, because we're in each other's proximity
Speaker 1: or life, right, But that where you go into the
Speaker 1: gym and I say, what are you up to today?
Speaker 1: As in what muscle group do, because we're always doing
Speaker 1: strength or power or a bit of muscle endurance or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And you go on training legs today
Speaker 1: and like you did yesterday, and I went go and
Speaker 1: do the hack squat. I know you hate the hack squat.
Speaker 1: Everybody hates the hack squat. The hack squats, motherfucker. And
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to do it. I know
Speaker 1: you hate it, and in a nice way, I don't
Speaker 1: care care about you, care about the outcome, don't care
Speaker 1: if you enjoy the next ten minutes at all. And
Speaker 1: I go, all right, let's start on the hack squat.
Speaker 1: And you look at me for like a nano second
Speaker 1: and you know not to waste your energy by protesting
Speaker 1: on any level. And then, like a fucking puppy with
Speaker 1: your tail between your legs, you kind of mope over,
Speaker 1: but you just go do it. And I remember you
Speaker 1: were on like your third set doing nearly spewing and
Speaker 1: you could barely get the weight back up, and I
Speaker 1: think you said something like you remember better than me,
Speaker 1: but you were like it was almost like you were
Speaker 1: working at almost one hundred percent mm hm. And you
Speaker 1: looked at me in the mirror, and I looked at
Speaker 1: you and you went fuck harps, and I went, eh, eh, whatever,
Speaker 1: like because you were going to shit yourself or spew
Speaker 1: or rip something or whatever, and you didn't do any
Speaker 1: of it, Like you finished it, and you did it.
Speaker 1: But then when you've done it, you're like, yeah, fucking
Speaker 1: fist in the air. But in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: it's horrible.
Speaker 2: Before you turning up today, I said, I was telling
Speaker 2: Brad and I said, you know, I love and hate
Speaker 2: doing legs with harps because of that, because of what
Speaker 2: you make me do with legs. No one likes legs,
Speaker 2: especially not when you've ripping out the hack squad. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. I don't do the hack squad very
Speaker 2: rarely by myself and never to that potential ever. And
Speaker 2: also I love the fact that you that I will
Speaker 2: turn up and go it's legs today, and I know
Speaker 2: that I don't want to say it, but I do
Speaker 2: want to say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I'll be What that teaches us is
Speaker 1: that in the right context, you can your performance can
Speaker 1: go up thirty percent. And in this case, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm standing by and I'm telling you what to do,
Speaker 1: or I'm encouraging you, or I'm telling it. And also
Speaker 1: at the same time, everyone when she does a good job,
Speaker 1: I go, that's fucking amazing. I go, that's great, that's
Speaker 1: a great set, well done, that's awesome. But it's not
Speaker 1: all flowery and bullshitty. And if I say it's awesome,
Speaker 1: it's awesome, like I will compliment people. I will, I
Speaker 1: will encourage them and support them. But if they're doing
Speaker 1: a shit job, I'm not going to tell them they're
Speaker 1: doing a good job. Yeah, like this is the problem,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say, oh, you're doing a
Speaker 1: shit job. But I'm saying it's not my job to
Speaker 1: make people feel emotionally good for five minutes. My job
Speaker 1: is to help you become amazing over the next five, ten, fifteen,
Speaker 1: twenty years by starting to understand own potential. You know, So,
Speaker 1: I just realized I've got another podcast in six minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were supposed to.
Speaker 1: That went quick, didn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah we must have been motivated.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm so inspired, look at me. Well that
Speaker 1: was an abrupt inning. Sorry, everyone, I just realized I've
Speaker 1: got about five minutes and twenty seconds before I'm on
Speaker 1: with doctor Lillian. Good old doctor Lillian has good young
Speaker 1: doctor Lillian. I should say it hasn't been around for
Speaker 1: a hot minute. So we'll look forward to that and
Speaker 1: you can probably expect that to come up tomorrow if
Speaker 1: it's always good.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Harps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Roger, that stand by and out in three two,
Speaker 1: one beep,